Picrel, is he one of the most based director ever? Seen the The Odyssey 2x, going for the 3rd time next weekened. In my opinion the movie of the decade if not the century.Long live Nolan, the new king of /pol/!
Still won't watch it, kike.
>>540048767nolan is even more overrated than spielberghttps://executiveconcern.substack.com/p/sabbath-millennium
It's sad he was boosted by billionaire pedophiles. I guess you really can't enjoy anything these days.
>>540048800Why would I be a kike?
>>540048767I'm waiting for the Elon AI version to get a more accurate telling of the story.
>>540048767Based. Went in despite of what the fat retarded unwashed masses here say. Actually enjoyed. Was historically accurate as far as plot line goes . The tranny was on for like 5 minutes. It confirms the fragility of the snowflakes here. Decent show. Wood watch.>>540048800You lost. Tranny.
>>540048767cool, will watch when its free."One Battle After Another" is unironically a good movie, movie wise.
Nah it can't beat the audiobook.I'm thinking of going to see Spiderman either tomorrow or Tuesday. Not sure yet. I won't pay to see Nolan's Odyssey. Fuck niggers.
>>540048929watching capeshit is even worse. delusional.
>>540048767He can direct okay, it’s his retarded editing which needs taking in hand, chopping up a film into multiple pieces and mixing them in a non linear narrative does not make a movie deep
>>540048996Yeah and it has the quarter nigger zendaya in it but I like the Hulk and it'll at least be entertaining and well paced.I'll be seeing Doomsday in theaters, too.
>>540048996Anon, the Odyssey IS capeshit, except with a "Greek" theme. This is why I won't watch the movie. There is literally nothing different in it compared to Batman or Spiderman in Greek costumes. And on top of it they just have to cast absurd actors that don't fit the roles they're in.Never watching this. I am not even willing to watch this for free, that's how much of a waste of time I deem it.
>>540049170>Waste of time he said, while posting at this shithole
>>540048767I like his sci-fi and mystery stuff, but capeshit is as bad as any other capeshit. His drama movies are meh. Nowhere near real directors.
>>540048767>Our modern amateur film criticism age of bronze is collapsing.
>>540048909How long has tranny been a blanket statement?
>>540048767>make movie about jesus>claim the resurrection troupe of the hero reviving is bad this movie sucks.
>>540048996if you're gonna pretend the original poem isn't capeshit then you have never read it. there's a literal gratuitous hercules cameo that does nothing to drive the plot. seriously mcu tier
It’s sad I have to come here for movie discussion. I feel like 30 minutes was missing, probably will come with the director’s cut. Overall, 9/10. Great flick.
>>540049772Happens in the movie. She gets btfo everytime. Christopher Nolan is based.
The most important aspect of the movie, Helen of Troy, is depicted as a black woman. How do you people even enjoy blackwashing, what happened to criticizing movies? Do better, goyim
>>540050670I didn’t even know who she was after walking out of the movie. Just, “the guy from Wolf of Wallsteet’s gf.” That might be on me though.
After denying they were doing this in the first place for decades they suddenly acknowledge it and then say you're at fault for even noticing.I hate these narcissists and sociopaths so much. I fucking hate them. I want them all dead. It's not even ideological it's psychological. These people are abusive fuckheads, shit-eating assholes, the sort of person who gets joy from bothering others. They meddle and then when criticized for meddling they claim it doesn't matter and that you have no right to criticize them. Fuck right off straight to double nigger hell with that ridiculous bullshit.
good goys.
>>540048767>check op flag>always a fagWhy? Albanian's are somehow better people than your nigger pheno.
>>540049528>post on a community of likeminded trolls and chuds shitposting and having a decent time for free>sit in a cinema full of cucks watching a movie that wants you to feel sorry for being White and pay the jew for itI think he made the right choice on this shithole, to be fair.
>>540050670She's not the most important part of the movie. She's in a couple scenes. Its not going to ruin the movie for you unless you really passionately hate niggers.
I don't watch hollywood slop
>>540048767I fucking cried when I saw it the other day. I'm not asking for pity or sympathy, but I'm a combat veteran myself. As I continue learning more and more about the country I gave a decade of my life to, my relationship with war and prosperity grows more and more complex. The idea that Odysseus didn't want to come home because he didn't deserve to hit me so fucking hard in the feels that we sat there at the credits until the lights came on. The way Nolan managed to tie the Odyssey into contemporary times was stunning. It's a message for our times -- that despite our advanced civilization, we have ourselves become the sea peoples. We have authored the stories of war, suffering, and indiscriminate slaughter we hear as echoes bounced off the human beings on whom we enact these crimes.
>>540051293It's almost like you have tons of blonde people, but deliberately, you choose a black woman that isn't even attractive by standards. Cowards don't think about it much, and call it racist to point out the nonsense.
Anyone who says this movie is above a 3/10 at best needs to be removed from society.The blatant, fragrant heresy on screen in every frame, all the plastic 3D printed armours, the fucking big name actors in your face who aren't characters, the forced wokeshit, the black helen of troy, what the fuck is wrong with you.How did we go from movies like Ben Hur where every thread and stitch on a costume was accounted for, every detail crafted. Mel Gibson's apocalypto, hand made jade jewelry on random background extras not even in focus, everyone speaking real indigenous language, no big name actors.Actual colour and cinematography not just fucking blue desaturated everywhere.This movie is an affront to cinema and art itself. The only good thing about he movie, Nolan had nothing to do with. If you credit anything positive to him about this movie you're fucking retarded.Horrible disgrace of film making.
>>540051433faggot
>>540051433>makes movie about ptsd veterans >ptsd veteran resonates>"le epic movie I cried"literally mentally afflicted people enjoyed it. why are americans like this
>>540051521Who said Helen of Troy was Blonde?
>>540051611I thought it was 9/10. I take one point off for what I thought was poor resolution of the theme of autonomy. It felt parenthetical, Odysseus' rebellion against the gods -- like an element tacked on simply because it was so prominent and unavoidable in the source material. Either way, you're totally wrong not to attribute the film's broader themes to him. The script inserted the alternative interpretation that Odysseus spent so long returning home not (only) because Calypso imprisoned him, but because he had this complex moral injury and guilt from what he did to the Trojans. The recurring motif of Athena was incredibly moving, especially when we finally see the sack of Troy in its entirety. I'm not sure how people could watch it and not be moved.
Moral Tale version of Grek sounds very depressing desu, but I agree it's probably good for the Western audience.I will continue to not watch anything Western but I'm glad you are happy.
>>540051293>Its not going to ruin the movie for you unless you really passionately hate niggers.So it does ruin the movie.
>>540051727it says so in the fucking Odyssey you moron. fair haired
>>540051727Literally everyone, for centuries? It's not like Homeros depicted her appearance at all, but if you actually look into historical depictions of Helen of Troy, you won't see any black woman at all. If you're gonna try to make sense out of Odyssey through the movie itself and dismissing hundreds of accounts of depictions, you won't get the point. I don't hate black people, but think of how ridiculous it would be to whitewash black majority movies. Is it too hard for you to figure it out on your own?
>>540051293>Its not going to ruin the movie for you unless you really passionately hate niggers.I don't hate them, I hate having them forcefully shoved in certain roles like that, "for the message". it's second hand embarassment. they are treating them worse than hardcore racists do. even /pol/tards would treat them better than having them floundered like some retarded kid who they try to make feel special and accepted. it's pathetic and it's harming perception about black people, not even joking.it's actually a next level form of racism, like even legit racists think it's too much bro they don't deserve it. like ok they have shit genes but this is crossing a decency line
>>540052133>>540052181This racialism stuff is pretty boring. There's no room for anything else in a racialist worldview because everything is already static. You're never going to "develop" from being white or black to anything else. You just kind of "are" already the color of your skin. There's no room for pathos or drama or development or even a journey because the conclusion of racialist analysis is already baked into the preconditions -- it's just skin color and ethnicity. There's simply no room for so much as discovery because everything is already written in the visual language of skin color. If that's all you care about -- which, going from the depth of discussion, seems to be true -- then you just look at the skin color of everyone in the film, make some angry noises about other skin color bad, and... I guess that's all she wrote. What I don't understand is what you gain from this. Sure, you know that when you sit down to engage with pretty much anything, you have an easy way to make concrete sense of something. What I see as a boring, flat plain predetermined by shallow visual language to you might actually be comfy. Maybe the preclusion of analysis which is so offensive to me on an almost ontological level, to you, is actually a boon. Maybe you just don't like thinking about things and considering them. While that's valid... I dunno. It just seems so "settled" in a way I would get bored with within a couple seconds.
>>5400517929/10 is a movie like Reservoir Dogs, not this plastic horse shit with retard actors in it.You talk like a faggot btw and are easily duped. This movie looks like cosplay larpers filmed in imax.
>>540048929>Nah it can't beat the audiobook.read the sctual fucking book, Chudleigh Chudlingtonville.
>>540052620What did you think about Odysseus' monologue as he sits in front of Penelope and recounts the sack of Troy?
>>540049780For as long as dialectics have existed to excuse the ontological failure of being the solution for either side.
>>540052620>like Reservoir Dogsbasedgive picrel a try if you ever have 4 hours to kill and can handle utter hopelessness and pure fucking bleakness. director finished it, a legit masterpiece and his very first film, and immediately killed himself.
>>540052181It always makes me flinch when they say "oh, we cast this...">half-brit-half-jeet slag>hideous neggress that is notably not good-looking even for black standards>obvious cripple"...to challenge and push perceptions on beauty"And these actresses (publicly) act smug about getting cast in those movies.Like, how are they not ashamed for being called "political weapon-grade ugly" in front of the millions? Are they delusional and oblivious that millions consider those persons unfit for the role of a lead actress and recognize they are shoe-horned by the few for political reasons and therefore despise them? Or do they actually co-enjoy insulting the goyim together with the director and co.?I mean, what's happening is>director / producer / jew critic says "we cast this neggress because she is so hideous, putting her in a lead role will challenge beauty standards">the jeetnigtrollface keeps smilingIt's a humiliation ritual "hardcore racists" aren't capable of. It's jewish and chosenite evil
>>540052577>it's just skin color and ethnicitynot just. there's more packed in there. there's genetics, there's culture, which is based on genetics. stop trying to hide it.>There's simply no room for so much as discovery because everything is already written in the visual language of skin colordiscovery of what exactly? when you see a hypercar you know what you are expecting. sure there's some sleepers out there but that's not the norm. statistically you;re right most times if you assume a hypercar looking car has serious power and a shitcan looking one can barely get to 60 without shitting itself.>If that's all you care aboutnot really, plenty black actors played nice roles. I care about congruence more. it's the other way around, THEY care only about skin color, and nothing else. quota must be reached, doesn't matter skill or story, must be black powerful character screeching like a maniac because...powerful>which, going from the depth of discussion, seems to be truedo not mistake depth for fancy words. although you pretty much seem to. you can use fancy words to say nothing really. you're trying to create some distance to account for lack of substance in your argument>What I don't understand is what you gain from this.it's not a gain, I'd rather not talk about this shit. I don't like that I have to point out the bullshit that's constantly shoved in our faces. I'm also tired of idiots like you constantly asking for small concessions.>why is it bothering you so much? it's not important, just get over itsmall concessions is how you slowly boil the frogs.>Maybe the preclusion of analysis which is so offensive to me on an almost ontological level, to you, is actually a boonI know that ontologically you choke on cocks and are a massive faggot so I take that into account when considering your position
>>540052982>It's a humiliation ritual "hardcore racists" aren't capable of.yes, it's a literal next level racism, like sinister pure evil the likes of which the world has never seen before. slaves were treated with more dignity than thisand I am sure the actors feel something's off in the whole thing, but everyone is smiling and cheering them on, from their close proximity, so they probably think they're imagining it, but I'm sure they have that "bruh this feels weird, not exactly right" vibe
>>540052667Not that guy, but you have to be retard to think nolan isnt a hack after everything he did past 2010.He takes good idea, develop it in most retarded way (for american audience, example: like focusing on shootouts in a movie about dreamscape, to the point when its a constant sige in favor of exploring and focusing on onirysm) and edit it to make his movies more difficult to understand, so all the midwits can feel like a movie critic/buff, while the plot is very easy to follow, its just needlesly overcomplicated via spliting scenes/chronological order of things/editing.He understood this trick with memento and he keeps doing this since then.I respect him for few of his old movies, the fact that he hates phones and seem to be driven by craft. Unfortunely it dont make him a master. Nolanfags largely consist of 100iq hamericans that think they expirience something grand while its a laud spectacle that tries to charm you with cheap tricks and overcomplication of normal plot.
Reminder that this movie is woke and nobody on /pol/ is allowed to watch it.
>>540048903you are part of the problem
>>540053227>He understood this trick with memento and he keeps doing this since then.thisalso people can get coerced into playing along with some shit. we have no idea what they have on him.
>>540048909Ditto, I knew the chuds were overzealous on this one, absolutely loved it. I do have some small issues with it here and there such as some of the dialogue as many have loved to point out in these discussions, minor inconveniences in an otherwise very enjoyable and nuanced take on the story albeit.
>>540053290Despite what /pol/ chuds keep insisting on, I WILL rewatch the movie and billions (myself included) WILL have sex.
>>540052577You are not getting it at all, not even a tiny bit. It has nothing to do with other people's races. You're not gaining anything from being vague towards a straight and direct reply.Hell, this isn't even something that happened once, the blackwashing. It has happened so many times, throughout multiple movies. I don't even understand the point of your reply either. It's not slightly related to anything written by other people as well. You either have ideas that aren't consistent, or you're confused. I'm telling you, this has nothing to do with "racialism". While you're at it, stay a little back from the screen and consider whether you're making relevant statements.You don't seem to have a coherent idea on the topic at all. Think about it, anon.
>>540048767i would love to watch this one 2x timeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XClRtZmQdUthis guy nails it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhMsQWH4Cqc
>>540048800There is a decent free copy available on line. It's not very good. I don't care about the troon in it, she's actually one of the better actors. It's just joyless and repetitive. The TV movie from the 90s is a lot better.
>>540048767Why is this quote based?Sounds like a normal and uncontroversial statement
>>540052577No matter how much character development a dog goes through, it remains a dog.
>>540053099>discovery of what exactly?If your frame for interacting with art is race, you're talking about race instead of e.g. character development. I'm not making a complicated point here. You are discussing the race of the actors instead of the content of the film because you aren't interested in the content of the film. You aren't interested in how Odysseus grows as a character because Lupita Nyong'o was cast as Helen. You aren't interested in the resolution of his battle for autonomy against the gods. You aren't interested in the idea that the Greeks might have been the Sea Peoples and what that says about modern society. You aren't interested in any of those things because... There's no room for it. Because everything you interact with is already written in the visual language of skin color. It totally precludes everything else. That's what I meant about racialism being boring. The film is already precluded by your a priori beliefs on race. Racialism is such that anything but race is irrelevant. And yes, I'm sure you would like to pretend that it's actually culture or whatever, but you're not talking about culture. You're not talking about the film at all. You're just talking about race race race. Always just race. It's fucking boring kek
>>540048918I couldn't stand one battle.It was so utterly pretentious, literally like watching a bunch of self-righteous antifa retards light themselves on fire.
>>540053227I didn't find the Odyssey difficult to follow at all... in fact, it didn't even occur to me that it might be. I didn't mention that at all. Interesting that it might be a difficult movie for others, though, I guess?
>>540048767didn't that dude had a brother who was a CIA agent killing people?
Who the fuck pay to watch hollywood movies?
>>540048767Nolan is a solid director, but none of his movies have connected for me. They have these high brow concepts and themes, but they lack that certain something that would elevate them above an 8/10. They're full of philosophyslop that takes you out of the experience because this is not how real characters would ever talk.Ridley Scott, Spielberg, Scorsese, Peter Jackson, George Miller, Paul Verhoven all have at least one 10/10 near perfect flick under their belt. Nolan has none.
>>540053691>You are not getting it at all, not even a tiny bit. It has nothing to do with other people's races.That's a strange position to take. Here's what you wrote:>>540052133>but if you actually look into historical depictions of Helen of Troy, you won't see any black woman at all>you won't get the point ... dismissing hundreds of accounts of depictions>think of how ridiculous it would be to whitewash black majority moviesIt seems like the point you're making not only has a lot to do with race, but that it's exclusively about race. In fact, I see literally nothing in this post about anything BUT race. The brief point you make about historicity is itself in the context of race. Race, race, race. Nothing to say about the film itself; everything to say about race. Maybe my post about racialism might make a little more sense to you now?
the shilling for this movie reminds me a lot of KCD2 shilling last year.>the black kang only shits on Europe for a couple of scenes>the gay romance is totally optional>being forced to help the Jews is in service of the themes or some shit>it's a great game, chuds, doesn't matter that it has shit in it>also it sold like hotcakes and doesn't need your money
>>540048767China makes the best movies, Hollywood is way behind them in a rat infested alley getting a blowjob from a handicapped trannie
>>540054831Yes, because unfortunately it works on a not-insignificant amount of the Western market. You have to launch simultaneous 'We are Based' and 'We are Woke' campaigns these days for optimal results. Film, games, etc. are not really what the audience want, they just want fuel to keep 'fighting'
>>540048767>Seen the The Odyssey 2x, going for the 3rd time next weekenedin to my cringe collection with this one
>>540054296In the height of irony, even Argus has a concrete character arc in the Odyssey. It's thin because, well, he is a dog... but even the dog has a desire and a drive he fulfills: to see Odysseus one more time before he dies. He's abused and broken and lays on a fucking dung pile for most of the film, all to see Odysseus one last time.
>>540048767the usual-suspect critics will eventually white-wash their position if/when the fog is over and the movie is a financial and artistic hit.the same happened with django unchained.
>>540048767>To be able to identify the mechanism doesn't invalidate the mechanismPeople keep calling him smart but he doesn't seem that intelligent to mePeople identify poor narrative tropes and criticise them. It is not the act of being able to recognise it that makes it bad
>>540054814adherence to the truth and to reality is important in western (white) nations. maybe that is a racial thing, seeing as how you think it's stupid. Was Neil Armstrong a queer black woman? Should a movie about him be accurate? Why not landing on Mars? There is a proverb called "for want of a nail". It's meaning will be lost on your atrophied marxist brain.
>>540054922>Film, games, etc. are not really what the audience want, they just want fuel to keep 'fighting'Did you even watch the film? The strongest cultural theme in Nolan's adaptation was what fighting wreaks. It's the moral core of his take on the Odyssey. Odysseus violates the strongest moral code of the time by tricking the Trojans into accepting his ruse under the guise of peace. He then unlocks the gates of Troy and the Greek army storms the city, killing essentially everyone. Nolan's addition to the canon is the idea that Odysseus didn't come home precisely because of what he did. The film ends on almost exactly the opposite note to "fuel to keep fighting." He says that the Greeks, despite their unprecedented civilization and advanced culture, decided to fight pointless wars over trivial subjects. They wrecked the homeostasis of an entire civilization. At the end of the film, the "high note" is that someday, even if writing itself becomes a lost art as a consequence of their ceaseless fighting, people in the future might forget the evil they did. This is, of course, a totally false hope. We still remember and process the story of the Odyssey and the Trojan War.
>>540051792>>540052577This is advanced bait. Well done. I'm sure you will get more (You)'s
>>540055465I have no interest in baiting people. I am not surfing on fifteen levels of irony. I'm not even on one. Life is too short to spend mocking people for the act of believing earnestly in something. I might mock you for the contents of your beliefs, but not for holding them in the way an ironist does. I believe in sincerity. Everything I say is accurate as to the nature of my values and beliefs at the time of writing.
>>540048767I don’t wanna see Helen as a spastic negress, is that the trope he’s referring to?
>>540048767>to be able to identify the mechanism doesn't invalidate the mechanismdoesn't it? if something is a well-known trope, it means you see it all the time, and people get tired of it, they don't wanna see the same formula over and over again, it gets boringso fuck niggers and trannies
>>540054814Anon, I literally told you it has nothing to do with other people's races. It's just her, the woman who always has been depicted as a beautiful, attractive person. Lupita Nyong'o does not belong to the phenotype described in tons of portrayals. You still do not get it. This has nothing to do with mocking people for how they appear. This is criticizing the director for specifically choosing a black woman out of every blonde woman that perfectly fit the classic portrayal of Helen of Troy. This is not about races. This is about choosing wrong people for the right illustration. You are also missing the big picture here. It is indirectly about races, because how else would you be any different as in phenotypes? Are you opposing the basics of biology? It's not like we have major differences in genetics, which points to the fact nobody is inherently superior to other people from the beginning. Again, it's a cultural matter, and there's no good intention about portraying white people as black and the opposite and so on. It's a cultural thing that Helen of Troy was white, and opposing it would be opposing the very culture that made the epic thrive. >>540055465Honestly, I don't think it's bait.>>540055564If that's the case, then you should change your values,
