Forward Russian assault groups are now just 4.7 km from the eastern outskirts of both Slovyansk and Kramatorsk. These final Donbas cities are slowly transforming into dead cities, becoming more and more unliveable for the civilian population. Soon they will fully complete the transformation from Zaporizhzhia-type civilian cities to Druzhkivka or Dobropillya-like military hubs. Every day, they are increasingly being struck by KAB glide-bombs, artillery, MLRS, and drones of various types (including FPVs), resulting in large amounts of destruction to their infrastructure.Capturing Kramatorsk and Sloviansk would collapse the core of the decade-built Donbas Fortress Belt that has channeled Russian forces into high-attrition assaults against layered urban fortifications, minefields, elevated terrain and concentrated Ukrainian fires. These cities serve as critical northern anchor and logistics hub for entire defensive system in northern Donetsk. Their fall would expose Ukrainian flanks across the belt, allowing Russian forces to shift from constrained frontal and infiltration tactics to broader operational maneuver. Control of the rail and road networks would enable rapid supply and reinforcement while denying the same to Ukrainian reserves, significantly easing logistical constraints. This would free assault groupings for reconstitution and redeployment, permitting deeper envelopments and exploitation of any Ukrainian withdrawal. With the operational center of gravity broken, Russian forces could transition from positional attrition to maneuver warfare across flatter western axes toward Dnipro approaches and adjacent oblasts with less prepared defenses. Such a breakthrough has historically multiplied advance rates by unlocking combat power and inducing dislocation in the defenders lines, raising sustainable territorial gains from approximately 750 square kilometers per month to thousands square kilometers or more through multi-axis pressure.
Why not just drop nukes on this so-called 'fortress belt'? Are the Russian generals retarded? I would've had this war won in less than a year.
>>540050997because nukes arent real, they only exist in the media to scare boomers.
>>540050997It was kinda "nuked" in result of the war. These Donbass cities look like Dresden in 1945 now xD
>>540050853Morale low? You forgot the xd signature
>>540050997You nuke, you get nuked back. Nukes are a meme weapon that can basically never get used.>>540050853OP do you think the Russians could ever take Odessa and if so how would they take it? After Dnipro?
Unrionically 10 more years I guess and then what, you inherit an uninhabitable bombed out wasteland of two towns for how many hundreds of thousands of lives?
They will fall in 2 years and then nothing will happen and things will proceed at this pace
In July 2026, the Russian Armed Forces liberated more than 728 km2 of territory in the area of the special military operation, which is the highest monthly figure since October 2024.Russia already conquered 25% of Ukraine which is bigger territory than Portugal, Netherlands or Ireland while still keeping economy in a peace mode and using tiny percent of its potential.Russia spends 7% GDP on army. Ukraine: 43-57%. Public debt in Russia is 16% GDP, in Ukraine - 105% GDP. RUB 72-77/USD in 2026 is stronger than early 2022 peaks and stable post-2022. Russian currency strenghtened in result of this war. Ukrainian currency turned into toilet paper recently (45 UAH for 1 dollar). Population of Ukraine was reduced from 41 mln (2022) to 22 mln (2026) meanwhile Russian population remains stable throughout the war. Busification wont catch up. And all of this despite $500bln-800bln aid, emptying NATO stockpiles for Ukraine and putting +20k sanctions on Russia. Russia fields only around 400k troops (+300k reserves) vs official 1 mln Ukrainian troops and still takes the land. Normally, according to 20th century doctrines, Russia as an "aggressor" would need to field 10:1 against defensive positions, which means 10 mln troops, theoretically. But no, 400k suffices.If entire Donbas Fortress is taken, further conquest will be much faster.
>>540050997Civilians are used as human shields.
>>540051223Where did you get the source Ukraine spends 43-57% of its gdp on the millitary? I saw it "only" spends around 39-40%
>>540051179After Dnipro crossing and seizure of Kherson/Mykolaiv (requiring 200,000+ troops Russia lacks so far), they might attempt a grinding land advance along the coast. Russians would need to organize small mobilisation after taking Donbass imo.
>>540051223>economy in a peace mode and using tiny percent of its potential.Russia will collapse if they tried more
>>540051179>you get nuked back.By whom? Ukraine doesn't have nukes. The other nuclear powers have nothing to gain by counter-nuking Russia.
>>540051346Good point but maybe the ukrainian army will collapse by then, there's a finite number of ukrainans who are willing to get blown up by drones.
>>540051435>Good point but maybe the ukrainian army will collapse by then,Thats possible, of course
imagine needing several walls of text to convince yourself russia is winningvery organic, very convincing
>>540051419Ukraine is de facto part of Nato and has received supplies/planes/tanks/satellite targeting information etc from ever single nato nation.Also increases the risk that europe might preemptively nuke russia which wouldn't be a desired goal
>>540050853Wait, you are still stuck in dumbass?
>>540051497>europe might preemptively nuke russiaxD
>>540050853>unliveable for the civilian populationthey were evacuated nigger, civilians that stayed are doing voluntarilyyou are an absolute nigger of a polish, rooting for russia when it enslaved your cunt with gommunism
>>540051592People who root for Russia are all spiritually brown with no exception
>>540050853Nigger, this is worst-shit neuroslop I've seen. You belong in dolbilnya for this. Volodin is awaits.
>>540051658He is not spiritually brown. He is, in fact, literally brown, with some shitty ai and vpn.
>>540051592You have any proof to back your claim? I'm asking this because they were caught shooting people trying to flee cities since 2022.
>>540050853The fate of this war is decided in Stinky, not there. Stupid Pole
what will they win? 500 euro paycheck? lmao
>>540050853>4.7 km from the eastern outskirts of both SlovyanskHoly shit that means they will capture in around 2028-30Keep me posted
>>540051179Only the most brain-dead boomers still believe nukes are real at this point.
Whats russias plan for 2 years time when they get these cities and decide the war is over but ukraine disagrees and keeps raping moscow with drones
>>540051704Russian forces have already captured Stinky in ChasivYar xD
>>540051774Russian lies. Blocked, terror friend
I love retards that still haven't woken up to the "newk" psyops. You just know they're low IQ pretentious bumblefucks that cannot grasp real logic.
>>540051764>Whats russias plan for 2 years time when they get these cities and decide the war is over but ukraine disagrees and keeps raping moscow with dronesAsking the real questions. So they're going to sit on a couple of bombed out ruins that they can't supply because every truck within 250km gets droned? Meanwhile ukraine is making better long distance weapon and also striking the rear.Whats next? Fighting ukraine in a slow attritional slog for 20 years? The other oligarchs should just throw putin under the bus, blame it all on him and make peace
>>540050853Its cute that you think manuever warfare still exists in 2026.
>>540051764Ukraine doesn't want this war to continue tho, it's demographics are getting mega raped.By the time Russia has captured these cities Ukraine will lose and additional 700.000-900.000 people from migrations and atrocious birth to death ratio.
>>540052025And? Hohols can loose half a million people a year for the next 40 years, only jews *in* Ukraine will be spared. What part of "to the last hohol" is not clear to you?
I have heard the name Kramatorsk for years now.How am I still hearing the same name?
They’ll need to take Kostianynvka, take Lyman and secure everything on that side of the Oskill River, and secure the Donets Canal on both sides.Then and only then can they begin a creeping assault on Kramatorsk and Slovyansk
>>540052025The jews running ukraine love this war, they'll kill off all the white ukranians and replace them with indians like they're doing in every other western country
>>540052116yes
>>540050853Oh NO not Slovyansk if they take that the war is basically over xD
>>540052116Back in mid 2022 after the fall of Severodonetsk and Lyschansk, people concluded Russia was gonna try to take Donbas by the end of the year. So the terms “Little Fortress Belt” (Bakhmut-Soledar-Siversk) and “Big Fortress Belt” (Konstanyvnika-Kramatorsk-Slovyansk) being coined for Russia’s objectives for the rest of 2022. It took them longer than planned, but with the fall of Siversk Russia captured the entire little Fortress belt. In between that and the big one is Chasiv Yar in the south and the Donets Canal in Center and north, both of which need securing
>>540050853nato did not need the ukraine anyway
>>540051774Uh Oh Stinky xD
>>540051165>fled ukranny awardxD
>>540051764They still have work in Zaporozhe and Kherson. Freeing Novorossiya is just one of their objectives.Apparently Ukraine is not going to demilitarize and de(ashke)Nazify on its own.Then there's the no NATO adherence that has to be included in their constitution. EU is morphing into a military alliance too so no EU will probably be included in Russian demands too.Given these factors the war will last much longer than 2 more years.NATO's arsenal is largely spent. Trump recently said that Ukraine will not be getting the Patriot system license to produce local air defense either.Russia hit key drone and long range missile facilities two days ago. Incapacitating Ukraine's means to strike civilians in Russia may work. If that doesn't work then they'll continue to hit civilians for PR points with no military significance and the only result will be driving the Russian people to support the war even more.
>Russia is about to take slavadoryavskikraine (no one has ever heard of this place)>it’s so over for Ukraine>zoom out>lines haven’t moved since day one of the war>repeat for four yearsJust drop fucking nukes already this shit is pathetic.
>>540051195>Lives>Implying Russia ever cares about those
>>540050853>Forward Russian assault groupsAre these the same guys we see in most of the drone videos?
>>540052286NATO is producing more than ever and Russia will not stop Ukraines drone strikes
>>540052286>wordswordswordsgay weakling
>>540052375>NATO is producing more than everxD
pic related, the fucks I give
>>540052286>NATO's arsenal is largely spent>Russia hit key drone and long range missile facilities two days agoHow is it then that Ukraine is bombing Russia more every day?
>>540052375>seething hohol diaspora
>>540051753If nukes are not real, why did Nippon sued for surrender?
>>540052428Bolanda should actually care a lot as it is being gradually dragged into this lost war. Soon, it will start "shooting down" Russian missiles over Ukraine despite lacking such capabilities to defend its own territory xD
>>540052375Then how come Ukraine doesn't have any AD to intercept Russian missile strikes?How come Romania's orders for F35 and Patriot are delayed even more after NATO presumably ramped up production?
>>540051419Any country with a strong military does not want nukes to be used liberally, because that means everybody country gets nukes the next month.
>>540050853>Every day, they are increasingly being struck by KAB glide-bombs, artillery, MLRS, and drones of various types (including FPVs), resulting in large amounts of destruction to their infrastructure.why does russia send their males to die for completely destroyed cities
>>540052423You can xD all you want but in the 2010s European Nato military industrial complex was getting smaller because of the idea for peace.Now production and development are up again with a shitton of orders as a result of russian aggression.
>>540052522Because the USA is waging a retarded war im Iran currently kek.Doesnt really disprove what im saying
>>540052446I didn't say Ukraine is incapacitated from striking Russian civilians yet.>Incapacitating Ukraine's means to strike civilians in Russia may work. If that doesn't work then they'll continue to hit civilians for PR points with no military significance and the only result will be driving the Russian people to support the war even more.
>Stinky was captured by the Russian Army on 31st July 2026MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
>>540052563Ukraine's AD was largely depleted before the war with Iran startedOur orders were delayed before the war with Iran started.Why doesn't Ukraine get other air defense systems? Germany, UK and France are not fighting Iran and you claim all NATO is producing more than ever.
>>540052612>>Incapacitating allies's means to strike civilians in Germany may work. If that doesn't work then they'll continue to hit civilians for PR points with no military significance and the only result will be driving the German people to support the war even more.
>>540051592>>540050853Zig pigs reduced to gloating about terrorizing civilians after the 13 year war against the poorest country in Europe didn't go so well
>>540052541NATO weapons production stagnated or declined from 2022-2026. Secretary General Stoltenberg admitted industry capacity is maxed out. Rare earths and titanium - largely sourced from China -created critical bottlenecks. Decades of deindustrialisation left limited surge capability. Heavy equipment donations to Ukraine drained stockpiles faster than replenishment; key programs (e.g., certain howitzer and munitions lines) faced cancellations or delays. By 2026, Poland and others reported sharply reduced available hardware, confirming net output fell despite higher spending.NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte stated in July 2026 that the defense industry has reached "maximum absorption capacity" and production cannot keep up with surging demand. Former NATO official Rob Bauer noted it will take until 2033 to ramp up Patriot interceptor production etc etchttps://www.khan.co.kr/en/article/202607061428027China controls over 90% of rare earth processing, and former NATO Military Committee chair Bauer confirmed "it's getting harder to get easy access to materials, especially rare-earth metals needed for sophisticated weapons". China imposed export restrictions on seven rare earth elements in April 2025.https://english.nv.ua/nation/years-for-u-s-to-ramp-up-interceptor-production-50601731.htmlStockpile depletion: In February 2023, Stoltenberg admitted Ukraines ammunition use was "far outstripping current capacities and draining stockpiles". NATOs pre-war 155mm production of 300,000 rounds annually would sustain Ukraine for only six weeks. US 155mm reserves wont be restored to 2021 levels until 2028 despite increases production.Decades of post-Cold War drawdown left minimal surge capacity. The EUs target of 1 million shells by March 2024 was not fully met yet in 2026.Reduced hardware for Ukraine: Polish military aid fell 15-fold in 2024-2026 compared to 2022-2023, etc etc xD
>>540052715Air defense missiles, artillery shells, drones, vehicles and more have all ramped up in production and new facilities are currently being built yeah. This is all checkable too.Ukraine having a shortage doesnt make that statement wrong in any way
>>540052529why are they celebrating killing russian speakers from the donbas and ruining their city? i thought they were liberating
>>540052860>Air defense missiles, artillery shells, drones, vehicles and more have all ramped up in production and new facilities are currently being built yeahYou take this info from your ass or basing on "promises of politicians"? Only artillery shells were ramped up x3 in NATO scale which is still far not enough xD
>>540052468 Because they had lost the war. Why else would they surrender? Do you know anything about the firebombing of Tokyo?
>>540052612The wave of Ukrainian drones striking Russia each day is increasing. And more targets are hit than ever before.>muh civiliansZigger cope.Targets being hit range from airfields and military industry facilities to oil refineries and largest logistics centers.Targeting civilians is what Russia has been doing all the years by bombing the residential buildings.Also, for example, Russia has attacked Ukrainian energy grid, especially during winter time, to make civilian population suffer.But next winter for the first time they can expect the favor to be returned and with interest.
>>540052860Repeating your mantra without any palpable results doesn't change facts.
>>540052718It's well established that allied strategic bombing was ineffective and Army Air Corps promised way more than it could deliver. They were never at any time capable of knocking Germany out of the war or crippling its industry through bombings alone. They couldn't do it to Japan either.
>>540052860Then why is ukraine losing ground instead of advancing?
>>540050997>Why not just drop nukesThe same reason Iran got the preemptive strike treatment. Russia will become Iran-tier on the hostility ranking, and one day will be invaded in a similar fashion. No warning, just suddenly half of Russian command dead because it was done on a random day during a time of peace.
>>540052810>NATOs pre-war 155mm production of 300,000 rounds annually would sustain Ukraine for only six weeks. US 155mm reserves wont be restored to 2021 levels until 2028 despite increases production.Yeah and now check current production rates. Why would i engage with any of your ai generated cherrypicked posts any further when they deliberately obscure facts.
>>540052916You understand that Russian missile/drone/anti-drone capacity grows much faster than Ukraines? And that assembling few hundred drones daily from Chinese components and launching them against unprotected civilian tactics is an act of desperation that wont change the outcome of this war and its trajectory except escalating it? xD
>>540053015Now the production is only x3 bigger. Still far not enough for Ukraines needs
This whole >No u are losing!!!Cope is fucking sad. I'm over here drinking hot chocolate, watching Russian """people""" die every day.I hope this war goes on for decades.
>>540052916>The wave of Ukrainian drones striking Russia each day is increasing. And more targets are hit than ever before.With zero military significance that reflects on the front line.>Targets being hit range from airfields and military industry facilities to oil refineries and largest logistics centers.Yeah and outlet warehouses, commie blocks, buses, mining operations,>Targeting civilians is what Russia has been doing all the years by bombing the residential buildings.According to AFU. We all saw air defense missiles hitting buildings because their operators are not well trained and because some of the ordinance was faulty. The rest you can write off as collateral damage.>Also, for example, Russia has attacked Ukrainian energy grid, especially during winter time, to make civilian population suffer.Those strikes were meant to make EU countries suffer more by increasing electricity prices because we had to pump more electricity in Ukraine's grid. It worked. Living without electricity for some hours a day is not that big of a deal, we lived without electricity for the entirety of mankind's existence until about a century ago.>But next winter for the first time they can expect the favor to be returned and with interest.If they expect this then they should prepare. If they are caught unprepared it's on them.
>>540053173>for decadesI wouldnt count on this if you were "COVID vaccinated" xD
>>540053015US production rates didn't meet the goal dumbass. They didn't even get close. >https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defense-watchdog-155mm-artillery-plant-production-goals/>As of March 2026, the Army was producing about 36,000 rounds per month, still far short of the 100,000 goal, in part because the facility in Mesquite failed to produce any of the 30,000 projectile metal parts it was expected to make each month, according to the report. >An Army spokesperson confirmed to CBS News this is still accurate as of this month.
>>540053211Why do you type like an American Boomer?
>>540053173Germans today are Nazis but gay and ruled by jews. It's really pathetic
>>540053224funny thing is Germany outproduces America in 155mm shells now
>>540053224It's a racket. Germany (Rheinmetall) gets money from other EU member states to ramp up production and instead they buy their own stocks from the markets to keep the ship from sinking while our orders will never be fulfilled.We have a governmental crisis in Romania because the previous government was ousted for doing shady deals with the Germans.They are almost as corrupt as Ukrainians but they act like they're saints so brainlets think Germans are some archetype of correctitude.Any blind faggot could have seen this fact during the Covid sham when Ursula VDL colluded with Bourla to racket EU funds on vaccines designed to kill while also terrorizing Europe's population.If you want to see fair people that are adverse to corruption, look at Swedes, not at Germans.
>>540053173>CDU-Sören decides to be edgy todayxD
>>540053394I believe it. The American factory producing 155mm shells looks a century old. It looks less automated than a T72's loading system.
>>540053211>>540053282There's a video of a Russian pissing himself, begging a drone with a message from me written in top of it. He got smoked anyway. Let me reiterate.I saw a """man""" beg a small chunk of flying plastic for mercy. Written on it was Gay Retard Swatter.Nothing you do or say will ever tarnish the amount of entertainment Russia provides me daily.Here's to ten more years and many more Ivans catching the gay retard swatter.
> Capturing Kramatorsk and Sloviansk would collapse the core of the decade-built Donbas Fortress Belt that has channeled Russian forces into high-attrition assaults against layered urban fortifications, minefields, elevated terrain and concentrated Ukrainian fires. These cities serve as critical northern anchor and logistics hub for entire defensive system in northern Donetsk. Their fall would expose Ukrainian flanks across the belt, allowing Russian forces to shift from constrained frontal and infiltration tactics to broader operational maneuver.Lol, because Ukrainians cannot look at the map and realize that if those cities are in danger of falling, they need to build strong defense lines behind them.The capture of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, if it happens before russian economic collapse, will take so much time and casualties that Ukrainians would have a lot of time to build new fortifications behind the cities. There will be no "broader operational maneuver" in the age of drones. It's brutal attrition warfare all the way to the end of the war.
>>540050997Russia is an imperialist power if they throw a nuke then turkey, poland, norway, sweden, finland, south korea, germany and japan will get nukes in 8 years, why fight for ukraine if the nordic strait and bosphorus will no longer be international waterways? suddenly the only russian port that does not freezes half the year would be vladivostok encircled by nuclear china, south korea, north korea, japan, plus usa bases.It's the same reason the usa did not nuked china during the korean war, the bretton wood system means everyone bagholded us bonds that would have ended the moment everyone went full autarky to get nukes, imperial powers do not play that game.Only nation that would benefit of ending the nuke taboo is israel hence why the usa helps them unconditionally so they do not end the larp they play with russia or other imperial powers.Just japan going autarky would bring down the usa due to the massive us treasuries sell pressure and imperial power are playing the imperial game, ideology is just the larp to get retards to fight for you.
>>540050853Strategic center of gravity is the ukrainian manpower and western precision strike capability. Even if these cities fall, Ukraine can preserve its brigade cores and pull back in semi decent order, they can establish new defensive lines along the Kostyantynivka Pokrovsk axis (which already has prepared positions). The collapse you describe is conditional on Ukraine failing to conduct a phased withdrawal which they have done many times in this war
>>540050997>Why not just drop nukes on this so-called 'fortress belt'?China and India will not like that at all. If those countries sanction Russia in response to nukes, Russian economy is swiftly finished.
>>540053496 >There's a video of a Russian pissing himself, begging a drone with a message from me written in top of itYou understand that Russia has achieved supremacy in utilisation of fiber optic FPVs on the battlefield now and scales it up massively to absolutely crazy goals like 30,000 FPV kamikaze drones a day?https://streamable.com/ipbics
>>540053706Ukraine now builds more drones of all types than Russia. And they are still scaling up.
>>540051112>xDThere it is.OP is an AI-Assisted post btw.
>>540053825And you believe this? xD
>>540053695They wouldn't do shit
>>540050853Only 2.999785 more days
>>540053825>it's delusional
>>540053687>conditional on Ukraine failing to conduct a phased withdrawal which they have done many times in this warthey didn't even do it at Konstantinovka like two weeks ago. every time a city has fallen, there's been some stragglers who get mauled and some desperation counterattack which never succeeds. The new Commander in Chief might stop that BS though.
>>540053871>Seething at xDxD
>>540053871I should start including xD in my posts too to piss people off
>>540053888Checkd and kekd.Zelensky unlocked Necromancy but only on paper.
>>540054010>>540053825>>540053706both are probably true hence why this shitshow is becoming ww1 tier, both sides are very competent ukraine more than russia because they never underestimated their enemy, but russia is adapting well.Tough it took them years to realize they fucked up to adapt to more rational tactics and probably even if they will they will be too drained to do much more for this century.
>>540054018Stragglers dont mean collapse though, what I'm saying is that its very unlikely from my poin of view that happens now, I would argue you'd have to push very hard to cause a serious collapse in the frontlines which Russia will not do due to drones saturating the battlefield, quick decisive pushes are very hard to do in open terrain when drones are in play. Whats the most likely outcome is slow and methodical push from Russians just like in previous cases
>>540051223>Russia has significant territorial gainsbelievable enough>Russia is doing this despite a full peacetime economy, with an army under half the size of Ukraine'sserious doubt>if the Donbass fortress falls, Russia will be able to advance quicklydoubt, they've taken long enough for Ukraine to build a new fortress belt to replace it
>>540054094Russia is killing over 10k pigs a month now, the only common ground this shares with WW1 is the seemingly absurd willingness of ukies to accept being bussified.
>>540050853I was rather shocked to see how close this cities are to Bakhmut. Wasn't that 2 years ago? How many Russians died taking that one? Sure the Russians are gonna win in a few years, I'm just amazed at how many lives they're willing to pay for this.
>>540054010Ukraine is fully dependent on import and now Russia decised to put blockade on all its ports enforced by daily strikes on _any_ ships (including owned by NATO countries) and Russia strikes these ships even if they try approach NATO ports like Romanias. Moreover, new jet drones are currently being used to railway blockade as well - Ukraine lost hundreds locomotives already that cant be replenished. Russia also destroyed a net oc hundreds gas stations in frontline regions which additionally fucks up army supplies. Russia also doesnt stay idle in context of these silly drone strikes vs civilian infrastrycture and it increases mirrored strikes vs Ukraine. Kiev would be bombed and shelled almost everyday now with growing power and effectiveness
>>540054180Russians and Ukrainians overthrew the government over bussification in WW1I wish their modern counterparts had that level of class consciousness and spine
>>540054149>Russia has significant territorial gains"Significant" is surely doing a lot of work in this sentence. xD
>>540054180>Russia is killing over 10k pigs a month nowSource? Russian government?
>>540054226It's sad how two countries that are so close to each other culturally can be tricked into killing each other en masse
>>540054275It is 30k-40k a month now according to what Putin said
>>540054094ukrainian is less , we are talking only about non material stuffthey are led by zog - hude debuff, it will not changethey have starlink and western inteligence - buff, russia just started to launch ownhuge loses and turnover among soldiers and bussification - huge debuff, it will not change and only gets worsein everything else non material they are on pairin firepower, air defence and so on russia has advantage in everything including drones
>>540054279Ukrainians are much more culturally western, more individualist, lacking that asiatic bugman collectivist mindset that plagues the Russians since the days of the Tsar.
>>540054135Correct. But stragglers indicate a disorderly retreat. It means the higher command is having dissonance on the status of the city. An orderly retreat would be mean everyone gets out and they know where the next frontline is set. But even at Konstatinovka just this month they tried to hold it far longer than needed, that's of course ignoring the propaganda video fiasco. And frankly many of these cities were well decided before they got turned into meat grinders of house to house combat, but I guess that's getting a bit too strategic about it all. Ukraine has had trouble communicating exactly what it tries to achieve on the frontline, they don't really counterattack, they seem to mostly fight delaying efforts with no strategic plan for actually reversing their loss of territory. Russia will never attempt any fast maneuvers or breakthroughs, neither side will, they're too risky. And since Ukraine doesn't maneuver either, Russia can simply probe the frontline for weak spots and slowly crawl forward.
>>540054275>Russia is killing over 10k pigs a month nowUkraine caused Russia 42,000+ casualties in July.
>>540054212Much of their culture is centered around sacrificing for their country. From fighting off the Mongols to fighting off the Germans, they have a very long history of sacrificing for their country.This war is presented to the people as an existential war, meaning people are ready to sacrifice.The biggest mistake is not understanding your enemy's mindset and NATO did just that.
>>540050853Russians are retard in war.Why not go directly fo Kiev from Belarus instead of going for some random villages and losung 500k man
>>540054303>according to what Putin said
>>540050853>to maneuver warfare across flatter western axes toward Dnipro approaches and adjacent oblasts with less prepared defenses.You think Russia will do better on open ground than in cities?Have you ever heard of drones you fucking idiot? Going from a ruined city with basements everywhere to open steppe when Ukraine has 8 FPVs for every russian.....God you russian shills are retarded.
>>540050853These assault troops are like a handful of troops here and there at most. Do you even understand anything of modern warfare at this point? Saying "assault troops are x kilometers from a" conjures an idea about some large force ready to attack. It's literally a few guys that have been sent on infiltration missions with a very high probability of death. Even in a place like Pokrovsk, which is under full Russian control and that is about six kilometers from the front line, Russians can't move freely because they're at constant threat of getting droned. >Capturing Kramatorsk and Sloviansk would collapseYou're getting way ahead of yourself. This isn't in any way imminent. Their infiltration troops in Lyman were already killed and even Russian maptards had to redraw lines. A reminder than the present distance from Bakhmut to northwest to the frontline of Russian controlled area southeast of Kramatorsk is about 15 km. Bakhmut was captured three years and three months ago. Enjoy the hopium, I guess. I mean, if Russia continues to do what it's been doing, it will take Donbas in the end, but it's going to be costly and take a long time yet. In the meantime, Russia has been steadily pushed back in the Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk nexus. It's very strange if they have the upper hand in everything like ziggers claim.
>>540054388Russia is losing more men per month than it can recruit. Has been for some time now. That's why they are preparing for another mobilization. So much for patriotism. Wrong again .
>>540054407>Why not go directly fo Kiev from BelarusThey tried that already and got soundly btfo.
>>540054056>>540054061newfags
>>540054499>I mean, if Russia continues to do what it's been doing, it will take Donbas in the end, but it's going to be costly and take a long time yet.And no russian shill can answer this simple question, then what?Ukraine isn't just going to stop if Russia reaches their goal.
>>540054388>The biggest mistake is not understanding your enemy's mindset and NATO did just that.I think many in NATO understand that, but they see it as an advantage. Let's enable Russians to sacrifice themselves en masse to gain some barely relevant villages in the Donbas, while NATO soldiers are safe and only old equipment is sent to Ukraine.
>>540054407They tried at the start of the war and failed.I don't think Belarus will let them try again, they see what a clusterfuck this has become and are trying to distance themselves as best they can without further alienating Europe or Russia.
>>540054489Drones dominate both environments, FPV, Lancet, fiber-optic types. Ukraines drone edge inflicting attrition aint as big as yet a year or teo ago, yet Russia sustains 750km2/month gains via massed glide bombs, artillery, EW jamming, and small-unit infiltration. Open steppe favors Russian artillery/firepower density and mechanized volume over Ukrainian drones when EW/suppression works. Ukrainian army is in very bad shape now and Russians basically gained battlefield superiority in EW/FPV/anti-FPV means now. My theory is that they could take land much faster (thousands square km monthly) after taking entire Donbas Fortress but they would need small mobilisation.
>>540054626But Ukraine wants this war to end, along the line of contact. the line of contact will be different once Russia takes these cities.
>>540051389Not really. Budgets on entertainment and infrastructure renovation hasnt been cut. They still spend tons of money on that stuff, sport events etc. Recenty there was a all stars hockey match with all the best russian hockey playerl from NHL and CHL in Petersburg, all tickets sold, holiday, cheerfulness. War is only felt when hohol launch their drones, due to alarm. Everthing is strictly in peace mode yet.You don't even realize what Russia could do if Kremlin would stop wasting so much money on mundane things instead of war.Smokes from industrially burned hohols would pierce the skies everywhere.
>>540054388>Russian casualties: 2 500 000+>NATO casualties: 0I think NATO understands the Russian mindset very well
While Russians send meatwaves into ruined towns they have zero chance of keeping, last night Ukraine bombedUfa refinery. Saratov refinery.Novosemeykino wildberries. (170,000m2)Engels strategic bomber airbase. While russian boys die in droves fighting as if it's 1917, Ukraine is systematically destroying their country from behind.
If they lose they'll cement their own status as a tantrum throwing has-been wasting lives and infrastructure on foolish publicity stunts, same shit mutts are working hard at in homus.If they win, they'll have another afganistan situation at their doorstep for generations to come.Great plan overall
>>540054751>when EW/suppression works.When has that ever happened?
>>540054751>Ukrainian army is in very bad shape nowYet Russia can't advance. Why is that?
>>540054533>Russia is losing more men per month than it can recruit. Has been for some time now.According to the Ukrainian MoD. They are known to lie a lot, inflating the enemy losses to obvious falsity rates while downplaying their own losses to same levels. According to them, Russians lost 2 million while Ukraine lost 50 thousand.>That's why they are preparing for another mobilization.According to Zelensky. Let's wait for the elections to pass and see if Zelensky was right or if he lied for the sixth gorillion time.>So much for patriotism.If what the Ukrainian MoD claims is true, then they are indeed very patriotic and millions laid down their lives for their country.>Wrong again .If you say so...
>>540054751>Russians basically gained battlefield superiority in EW/FPV/anti-FPV means nowAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Away and give your head a wobble you fucking oaf.
>>540054773>But Ukraine wants this war to end, along the line of contact.No they don't.
>>540054894>According to them, Russians lost 2 million while Ukraine lost 50 thousand.This kind of lies fits intellectual level of idiocratic Westoids perfectly xD
>>540054894>If you say so...I do. And I'm right.
>>540054774>Budgets on entertainment and infrastructure renovation hasnt been cut. They still spend tons of money on that stuff, sport events etc.Bread and circuses, you dumbo. There are still music festivals in Ukraine, for example. The government and private sector won't stop spending to maintain some illusion of normalcy, even during war, otherwise the normies might suspect that they are losing. Look at the budget deficits and banking situation instead.
>>540050853>operational maneuverit's time to stop copingmodern peer warfare is stagnant and homosexualso you decide to make a flanking push with armored vehiclesbad newsperpetual surveillance saw your accumulation of forces taking place in real-timeone quarter were destroyed or disabled by missile strikes while stagingyou go anywaythere's not much resistancea few hastily placed minefields and barricades on the roadsbut now more bad newsone nigger in a basement with a few drones can cripple any logistical support within a 20 km radiusmore like 100 km if the signal relay infrastructure hasn't been destroyedthere are hundreds of niggers in basementsmeanwhile, your armored vehicles are being harassed by aviation because you punched out of your air defense zone and into the enemy'syour vehicles have also run out of fuel and ammunitionfun times
>>540054665But that's not the reality. Russians took more than barely relevant villages in Donbas, they keep Crimea too, the Sea of Azov is a Russian lake now.Europe bankrupted itself sponsoring this war, depleted the arms and is now shitting bricks because they can't produce enough to replenish their stocks and to sustain Ukraine's war effort.The story of clearing old arms from stockpiles is from the first years of war, now most EU states have depleted air defense, armor and artillery.If they understood their enemy's mindset it means NATO deluded itself into thinking they can weaken Russia instead of making it stronger while having zero regard for Ukraine's fate.
ok cool whatever
>>540055064Russian shills are operating from soviet era propaganda handbooks clearly. They have no idea what the modern battlefield resembles.
>>540054378>Ukrainians are much more culturally western, more individualist, lacking that asiatic bugman collectivist mindseyxDNaive moron completely ignorant on history that only reads shit on Twitter.Ukrainians have historically been MORE totalitarian and collectivist than Russians. The Cossack Ataman system made those below the Ataman basically animals to be culled at whim. Pany-Svinopasy dichotomy.
Over recent weeks, Ukraines frontline has deteriorated rapidly - the worst since early 2025. In Kharkiv Oblast, Russia achieved localized breakthroughs threatening to encircle 360+ km2. In Dobropillya, a key stronghold held for over a year was breached, with Russian forces flooding the urban area between Pokrovsk and Dobropillya. Near Kramatorsk/Sloviansk, Russia advanced to within 4.7 km of both cities and nearly seized the critical eastern ridgeline. In Kostyantynivka, Russia captured Chasiv Yar after 840 days and is close to taking Kostyantynivka; the western salient is collapsing. In Druzhkivka, breakthroughs of up to 6 km captured multiple villages, nearing Druzhkivka and threatening encirclement. Further south, Russia took Zaliznychne after 7+ months and advanced west of the Haichur River. In Stepnohirsk, they halted Ukrainian counterattacks and regained ground. The Kupyansk bridgehead east of the Oskil continues shrinking. Ukraine is losing vital defensive positions, especially south of Dobropillya. New Commander-in-Chief Mykhailo Drapatyi faces urgent decisions to stabilize the situation by late summer.
>>540055068Europe is opening factories at a remarkable rate and is rearming at a cracking pace. This bullshit that we are incapable of building weapons is laughable.
>>540054838Why are Br*t*sh "people" so insufferable? Their accents suck, they willingly allow themselves to be enslaved, and yet somehow, they still manage to hold this seething, arrogant, overinflated sense of superiority.
>>540055173>AMK mappingNow tell the readers who is behind AMK?Your cope map is made by an 18yo who lives with his mum. Now fuck off with your nonsense.
>>540054948I doubt they believe an iota of this shit but their job is to parrot the narrative and to repeat it until feeble minds say it's true.>>540054978Your breath smells like shit fren.You've been eating bullshit. Now you grin and you expect me to eat it too.I wouldn't act like I believe that bullshit even if I'd be paid by United 24 for it.
>>540055183Yes. Even Canada is Militarizing at Break-Beaver Pace. Nobody Can Stop What Is Heroning.
>>540055234>superiorityThis is why. I'm right. Russian shills are wrong. Cope and seethe faggot.
>>540055276>I doubt they believe an iota of this shit but their job is to parrot the narrative and to repeat it until feeble minds say it's trueClassic Russia. Projection.
>>540055183>scoops another spoon of bullshit and eats it>grins at me>scoops more bullshit>tells me to eat itREMARKABLYAT
>>540055295>I'm right. Russian shills are wrong.Hmm, I think you're lying, Abdul. I think YOU are wrong!.
>>540055234This is the retarded Scottish shill who makes 50 posts in a thread with the dumbest shit you've read, like that armies supply their vehicles with jerry cans. Dont be too harsh on the whole island, he's an exceptional dumbass.
Omsk refinery now under attack. Past the Urals mountains. Nothing in Russia is safe. Third refinery today.Tell me more about Russia's 'success'.Fucking clowns.
>>540055324Can't tell if you're a fecaloid paid to lie or an Ukrainian draft dodger trying to delude himself. Very hard to tell you two apart due to your similar IQ levels.
>>540055416>>540055392>>540055378Show me russian success. I'll show you Russia burning. Go!
>>540055440
Let's be seeing Russia 'winning'.
Surely there is some evidence of Russia winning?
>>540055173rossia took the village of Pahrliznkhina population 14 after 2 months, the front lines are collapsing, Kyiv next week
>>540055452>nusois posting videos of ukranny burning to own da libsDo Ukraine trannies reaaally?
Russia IS winning right?Show it?
>>540052468Because they were being invaded by RussiaBetter to surrender to the yanks than have their country ripped in two like the germs
>>540055452Crimea, Kherson, Zaporozhe and Donbas are still under Russian control while they are still advancing, at snail pace as it may be.You shills have been telling me that Russia will collapse and will be balkanized in two more weeks for years on end.If those strikes have any meaningful impact on Russia, then they will retreat from the occupied territories and offer to pay war reparations to have a peace deal with Ukraine.Two more weeks, I'm sure.
>>540055561Cope
>>540055583Winning.....
So much winning!
Winning so hard!
>can't formulate an argument>can't discuss in good faith>eats shit and grins>expects other people to eat shit too>gets angry when people refuse to eat shit>starts spamming PR strikesNow I'm sure you're not an Ukrainian draft dodger and just a midget (physical and mental) fecaloid.
More winning!
>>540055725I don't argue with idiots. What's the point?I'm posting evidence. You're posting words.
>>540055624It's okay Ukietranny, I accept your capitulation. Now that you have admitted defeat, your bennies shall be sent in the mail.
So much winning. I am overcome with win.
>>540055808
Winning so much.
>>540053687>Strategic center of gravity is the ukrainian manpower and western precision strike capability.In that case Russia has advanced much further than the frontline indicates.There is practically no AD on the frontline for the Ukrainian soldiers and they have to eat 300 air strikes daily according to the Ukrainian Army themselves. The majority of those strikes being big glide bombs on troop concentration points. Things were a lot more tough for Russia in late 2022 than this sandbox they have in 2026, where Ukrainian counterattacks are more of a delaying nuisance than a real big threat.The geographic stalemate exists, but it doesn't hide the fact that Ukraine needs to run their country like a gulag and establish a conveyor belt of conscript slave soldiers (which they physically can't do indefinitely) numbering in the millions just to slowly lose territory anyway to an opponent that hasn't launched any real offensive since the original invasion in 2022. In other words, the actual war is not a stalemate, one side is grinding down the opponent so there won't be a second war ever while the other one is just staying alive because that's the order from the foreign patrons that own then.There are still a few ways to make it last longer like deporting all Ukrainians in the West back to the Jew in Kiev so they can be sacrificed. Which I hope we get to so the quality of this board can improve. I'm getting tired of talking to "Dutch" or "Germans" on this subject who are clearly anything but.
Winning hard!
>>540055583These paid shills post only fires caused by drones vs Russian civil infrastructure but conveniently "forget" posting daily Russian strikes all over Ukraine. Typical xD
>>540050853>AI slop from brown zigger“2 more weeks”
>>540055859year 5 of special operation
>>540055859>In other words, the actual war is not a stalemate, one side is grinding down the opponent so there won't be a second warIndeed. Russia is being ground into paste. They won't recover for a century. If at all.
>>540054180I doubt it at a tactical level drone warfare favours the defender because drones sent by local units have range to kill attackers while attackers need to plan due to range limits.The fiber optic thing can inded give russia an advantage over time but it's coming way too late, most russian professional troops got killed early in the war no doubt what they still have is getting better and better still not sure even then the kill rate won't be 4/1 in favour of ukraine simply due to being on the defense.>>540054375Even so victory in war means victory not stagnation, ukraine is being financed by europe to the last ukranian because they do not even have the balls to enable drafts for the most part.So russia may as well destroy infrastructure but that won't gain nothing and create more resistance and ukraine will still be funded.On the other side russia has a petrochemical based economy and ukraine drones keep getting better, if this keeps going on for 3 more years mutual destruction for slavic civilization is almost guaranteed.Which is why europe, us neocons, turkey and probably china, like the status quo.
>seething nusois posting AI to own Russia.nusois....
>>540055874Post your videos faggot?Here is what your last attack hit. Children. As fucking usual. Scumbag.
>>540055874Spamming without making any coherent argument comes off as impotent rage and makes his lot look pathetic as fuck.What's funny is they get paid for this self-humiliation and only make Ukrainians look like utter retards.
>>540050853oh no! Anyways ....
>>540056002Oh no! The russian shills are coming out!
>>540055943>most russian professional troopsBro this war is both a massive evolution and has been going on for 4 years. “Professional troops” are irrelevant. Russians have hundreds of thousands of volunteers who have far more experience than “professional troops” at the start of the war. Real life isn’t a video game. Russian and Ukrainian pre-war elite formations would get raped in two minutes if you somehow transposed them to the front right now.
>>540055874It is odd. It's like everything they post isn't at the front where it matters.
>>540056082>Russians have hundreds of thousands of volunteers who have far more experienceExperience my arse. They are all dead.
>>540056100>It's like everything they post isn't at the front where it mattersIt's like, you don't understand attritional warfare at all.....
>>540056138Have you tried not making imbecilic posts? You support Ukraine, cool. You might attract more people to your standpoint by not blurting out diarrhea like a brain damaged monkey.
>loses all his izzat on impotent rage spam>still hopes to get (You)s in this thread
>>540056187Don't reply to the fecaloid spammer. He's in rage mode. Let him waste his time until he cools off and leaves.
>>540054774You have hundreds of thousands dead in a now 12 year SMO and you sit at home cheering at Snowniggerball?
>>540055943Defenders have literally no air support besides drones. Fabd drop all over them and russia sure has drones as well.
>>540056187>You might attract more people to your standpointI don't seek support. I just btfo of the daily russian shills cope threads. I've never started a thread on /pol/. So who's the shill and who are the spammers?They post cope. I post facts. Don't like it? You know where the door is faggot.
>>540056223Dang. Guess Ukraine should draft more?
>>540056193It's a sad day to be a Ukraine shill. I wonder how many of them will commit sudoku when it's all over.
>>540056207Oh. You must be new? How quaint.
>>540056138Ghost of Kiev killed them
>>540056319Over 200 ships hit in two weeks. Want to see more?
>>540056207He's like peak melty all over the board. Hilarious when he goes into pig a completely different war and does it because nobody goes into their general.
>>540056276I don't think they care enough about Ukraine's fate.But it's funny to see them seethe in impotent rage when they're left without any arguments.
>>540055423The more "infrastructure" gets hit, the more they advance?
>intense clitty leakage reaching 2023 levels of seething ittYou love to see it
>>540056253The guy is literally a nigger cheering for the circus the emperor is putting in front of him, too prideful and retarded to realize it, while Russians are dying in the hundreds daily and this is the best argument you can produce?
>>540056223Yes you got him bro. Now back to drafting another million average Ukrainians over a year while average Russians watch hockey.The guys who can go on vacation in another country are losing btw. Hiding in a basement from the draft is what real winners do. Trust the plan.
>>540056387I mean Ukraine has no train routes no waterway routes and has gone from 35 mw of power generation to sub 7 or 8 mw with daily blackouts. Natural gas is pretty much cut off across the entire nation. That isn't a country it's a shell falling apart.
>>540056365The funny thing is I even gave him the benefit of doubt, saying he may be right. He could've considered that a legitimate win and move on. Instead, he tried to go for more than he bargained for and I reacted accordingly, making him lose his shit.
>>540050997>anglokikes see nothing wrong with dropping nuke on civilians>slavs will do everything they can to not drop nuke on civilians, even if it means they will have to lose more men to conquer some town/cityMakes you go hmmmmm
>>540056082You are probably right, still did not helped russia that they spent their motivated troops in retarded strategies while ukraine presered them better (still did two retarded offensives tough).I am sure having motivated troops helped ukraine more than russia in the last two years despite both sides using mass conscription.>>540056228There are videos of ukraine killing like 50 russian soldiers while only lossing 1 this happened because meme drones have low range, which means to use them for attacking you need planning while for defending anyone at a unit can use them at will.This massively favours the defender side or did until the very long range drones started to appear that turned this into a bigger attrition trench warfare.As for air force if i am going to be honest despite how much seethe this may cause the only capable air forces right now are the israeli one and maybe the chinese one due to the country industrial capabilities.No nation besides israel took the anti air problem seriously and abandoned cold war anti air, and replaced it with a multi layered system.The israelis knew patriot or soviet anti air was obsolete 25 years ago so they replaced it by like 6 different systems all in a different layer and range that makes meme glide drones and glide bombing obsolete.But in eastern europe you are seeing cold war airforces vs cold war anti air the convert dumb bomb into glide bomb is a strategy the israelis developed in the 90s or early 2000s if i an not mistaken and that makes patriot or s-300 obsolete not just by cost to intercept but also by range.But it's not an exactly novel aproach that would work if both sides wanted to develop counter measures.
>>540056442Can't lose something he never had. He basically is always mass spamming and something in every thread he goes to. It exceeds what a shill does for a job he is literally some mind broken autist.
>>540056420>Hiding in a basement from the draft is what real winners do. Trust the plan.No Ukrainians are hiding in basements. Want to see my holiday pics from last month in Ukraine? Look at all these men hiding. Oh, wait.....
>>540056465Sure sounds totally real and not made up.
>>540056459All empires have an interest in not throwing a nuke it's why the usa basically removed MacArthur from his post despite having been the literal president of vassal post war japan, simply for suggesting to use nukes against china.The minute even a tactical nuke is thrown the old world is over it's an entire new paradigm that favours mid level nations over big empires.
>>540056420So many men hiding in restaurants outdoor seating.....
>>540056419The US had similar circuses during Korea/Vietnam, and other than some shame and political losses, they didn't lose their army or anything like that. It isn't a sign of weakness.Having your country be run like a concentration camp because your original army in 2022 has been destroyed a long time ago and begging for AD interceptors is.
>>540050997Never heard of mutually assured destruction?
>>540056420Everything russian shills say is a lie.
>>540056497I probably have that one in my pc but i rather not post this shit, this degenerate war is disgusting as it is let the dead rest, fuck all that goreposting.
>>540056420They are terrible at this hiding game.
>>540056420So much hide....
>>540056387This is NATO's plan to force Russia into peace. Well, it hasn't essentially changed since 2022. Back then, they thought they could crush the oligarchs with sanctions, and they would force Putin to give up everything. But now trade with Europe has practically stopped completely. So NATO has no leverage over business. So they've resorted to outright terrorism. But terrorist tactics are the tactics of losers, and no one will comply with losers' demands.Meanwhile, NATO is trying to scare everyone with something it's completely defenseless against. All their trade, ships, and warehouses could easily burn, and there's no one to protect them. All their air defenses are already in Ukraine, and the US fleet is stuck in Iran.
>>540056420Practically invisible.....
>>540056372These shills who persuade us everyday all over all media (including /pol/) that Russia/China/Iran/NK are "weak" and "on the verge of imminent collapse" seem to take money exactly from the same sources funding pro-vax bots persuading about "safety and effectiveness" of the genetic bioweapons. The goal of this propaganda is the same as well : to kill as many "useless eaters" as possible xD
>>540056544Did you go up to some local TCC and shake their hands? Did you tell them to keep up the good work and keep kidnapping those darn draft dodgers?
>>540056516>The US had similar circuses during Korea/Vietnam,You do understand the US did not win those wars, right?
>>540056430It was fine when I was there last month. Perfectly normal. More lies. You see. You talk shit while I actually went there to see for myself. Russian shills are full of shit.
>>540056544>Lviv City center>Hand full of peopleLmao.
>>540056565Sure. Do fabs falling in town centers of defenders count as 50?
>>540056430>I mean Ukraine has no train routes no waterway routesThey are using our trains and waterways now. Russians intensified drone attacks on the border and some of their drones get in Romania.>has gone from 35 mw of power generation to sub 7 or 8 mw with daily blackoutsSimilar situation, Romania is forced to pump electricity in their grid to keep them from complete blackouts and this causes our electricity prices to go higher and higher.And as a "thank you" they fuck with the Caspian Pipeline through which we get like 60% of our oil supply from Kazakhstan. It shuts down several times in the last month and if it shuts down permanently we're royally fucked.
NAFO and ukraine are so over now, you just wait, 2-3 more decades and russia will absolutely stomp you
>>540056363please do it in /k it's a containment board for nafo trannies.
>>540056479He seemed a composed for a bunch of posts then he lost it and started spamming.He's clearly baiting for (You)s so he's a paid shill. Maybe not one to drive support and just to stifle discussion since we switched to making fun of him instead of discussing the war.
>>540056589you have been talking about striking the EU for 12 years now.
>>540056611Terrible attempt at a gotcha. The US not winning in Korea resulted in the existence of an important puppet like South Korea and a depopulated North Korea - absolutely worth the sacrifice.In Vietnam the whole war was imperialistic and unpopular so they left after taking too many losses.This war is completely different. The Ukrainians wanting to possess Donbass and Crimea is the actual imperialism and all diplomacy failed making the destruction of Ukraine a defensive war for Russia to protect their regions. You might not believe that (because you're retarded) but the Russians do and that's what matter.Russia now has both the capabilities of the US against their weaker opponent And the righteous cause unlike Americans which made them leave Vietnam and they regain their lost territories as an added bonus.
>>540056459>Blowing up civilians with artillery good>Blowing up electronics with a high altitude nuke, disarming the defenders and allowing an ez win bad
>>540056609I provide pictorial evidence having travelled there myself that blows your narrative out of the water and you STILL carry on. Russian shilling v one Scottish man of means. You faggot child killing supporters are done. >But they are hiding in basements...They are not. Clearly.
>>540056705The trains usually won't go into the country right? Russia has been striking them quite frequently I assume they drop off gear and drive the rest. What waterways? Odessa is basically a dead port.
>>540056789This thread was DNB on arrival. /pol/ is not a place for intellectual discussion because any attempt at it is instantly raped by bots and shills to shit up the thread. Might as well enjoy the ride and make people seethe.
>>540056811It was your propaganda that talked about this, but ultimately it will apparently become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
>>540056815>the whole war was imperialistic and unpopular so they left after taking too many losses.>important puppet like South Korea and a depopulated North KoreaAnd these 2 outcomes are desirable for Russia?
>>540056826Nice AI, Nigel. I've seen Jeets make better AI images than that. Tell your boss you need better funds for better AI tools.
>>540056679probably, ukraine is getting fucked every time they do urban warfare, they keep doing well in rural attrition war but in urban areas they lost many times easily, not sure how this crap ends tough.Both sides believe the other will give up from one day to the next like the allies in italy the front will suddenly go soft and they will push easily.In reality that happened because german industry was vaporized destroying their defensive ability.Here ukraine is financed by the eu and russia can sell commodities to get what they want anyway to keep military industry going, i seriously do not see how this does not end in mutual destruction.
>>540056608So it seems. I remember similar "tactics" and behavioral patterns from /cvg/ and the Freedom Convoy happening.It feels like yesterday he was spamming faggot porn on the truckers thread.
>>540056901A destroyed and depopulated West Ukraine and a South+East Ukraine under Russian control is obviously a Russian victory.Ukraine was a belligerent state getting aided by Russia's bigger enemies. Destroying that threat is the ultimate goal.
>>540056888>Russia totally never threatened Europe>Exact counts of official verbal threats to attack Europe as a single entity do not exist in public geopolitical databases, but Russian leadership has issued dozens of repeated warnings, coercive threats, and nuclear posturing directed at NATO and European nations over the last 12 years (2014–2026), alongside an escalating campaign of hybrid warfare>ultimatelyHow many Russian dead are required to unlock?
>>540056854Since when is russian cope shilling 'intellectual discussion?'It's just russian cope shilling. They do it constantly. They will already have started another thread now I've btfo of this one. Yep. There it is. >>540056170Started at 11.26 right as they realised this one was a loss. They do this EVERY DAY.
>>540056937That said i am curious, did ukranians and russians hated each other between the 90s-2015s? from an outside pov this conflict feels dystopic same fuckers that grew up playing counter strike together, have same language, listened to same songs are now in a war of hate that rivals ww2 anti japanese sentiment, it's batshit insane from an outside pov how did this even got out of control on this level?
>>540056970>A destroyed and depopulated West Ukraine and a South+East Ukraine under Russian control is obviously a Russian victory.In your example, you called North Korea depopulated and South Korea an Important Vassal. How is a vassalized Ukraine and a depopulated Russia a win?
>>540055173imagine actually gloating over capturing like 10 km strip of land after 4 years long offensivethis shit has been going on for longer than eastern front in ww2 >muh they are winning too slow cope rebuttal that's fucking right, they are winning to slow, for a successor of mighty soviet union they are pathetically slow compared to what they once werejust go back to those rybar cope maps showing giant arrows to feel better
>>540056979>2014–2026Are you stupid or something? You started the aggression in 2014 by sponsoring the coup in Ukraine, and then you started whining about how dare they threaten you, when you're just bringing civilization to barbarians.
>>540050853Russia has progressed a wopping 5 miles from Bakhmut that was taking 3 years ago lmao
>>540057045Ukraine ousting their president is none of Russia's business.
>>540057011Are you retarded? This gotcha attempt doesn't even make any sense.
>>540051165Rent free zog fag
>>540056852I don't know for sure but I heard it on the radio the other day that Ukraine is straining our railway transport. I wouldn't exclude Romanian trains going in Ukraine.Since Odessa was closed they use Romanian waterways on the Danube as they are tied to the Black Sea. The ports are next to the Romanian border, that's why many Russian drones end up in Romania.>>540056854All you have to do is ignore or make fun of them, then focus on the discussion. If you find this too hard you can always filter.
>>540056991Someone's have a delusional leaky clitty moment! You sure gave it to those pesky ruskies with your silly AI.
>>540050853We done here baby killers? We're done here. Next thread. Faggot.
>>540057045>when you're just bringing civilization to barbarians.It seems that this is unacceptable to Russia for some comprehensible and some less comprehensible reasons. >Are you stupid? No, are you? Because you said there were no threats, now you say the threats were justified. Which one?
>>540053211Lol you reminded me of the vid of the ukrainian inspecting a dead Russian and finding his ducking Sputnik vaccination papers and going like "oh of course, most important!" LMAORussians that were just kids during COVID are now being thrown into the grinder and lasting mere days
>>540057069People who wanted to secede from Ukraine are not NATO businesses. But you started sponsoring their repression, rape, and murder.
>>540057113Your entire civilization is about paying interest on your old money, and simultaneously going to gay pride parades to show your loyalty to the regime.
>>540057090>terrible attempt at a gotcha. The US not winning in Korea resulted in the existence of an important puppet like South Korea and a depopulated North Korea>A destroyed and depopulated West Ukraine and a South+East Ukraine under Russian control is obviously a Russian victory.>Are you retarded?No, are you? How is a depopulated Russia a win for Russia?
>>540054533Yeah, seems like they're getting 30k more norks to try to stretch out till after elections and then the meat market is open
>>540051112>xD
>>540057154I am assuming this is the end of you trying to produce counterarguments? Because what you are saying is not very related to the discussion and seems more like a pitiful attempt to screech about some shit.
>>540056901russian current population is 152mln people, 146mln on old territories and 6 mln with former ukrainian sitizensmilitary loses are around 150k+ukrainian population is reduced to 23 mln, 2 mln are military losesto avoid death of firstborn sons ukrainian families evacuate boys from the country as soon they get into high schoolnet outflow of population is around 1mln (emigration, natural reduction and military death)current tfr is 0.8 with 140k live birth, 500k natureal deaths and 300-400k military deaths predicted this year so if this war continues there will be almost no young males in ukraine, means tfr will drop even furthereffect from previous 4 years is cummulative, for majority of people (majority are poor) reproduction follows certain patternso this war may end with extiction of ukrainian population (mixed borderland peasants) or its great reductionthe best example are russo-turkish-polish wars in borderland in 17 century which led to 3/4 reduction of population or circassian war which led to 95% reductionyour copium has cost
>>540055068Russia can't even make use of crimea anymore besides as a place to send equipment to get blown up lol
>>540056888>self-fulfilling prophecy>888So it seems. At a point the bill for all the provocations and bolster will come due. Of course, it will be normal people who will have to pay while our "leaders" that provoked disaster will sit comfortable in their bunkers.
>>540057111>51 pbtidHey look, the Scottish boomer took his anti- dementia pills and went into nafo amok again.
>>540057246Then they will retreat from Crimea and let Ukraine have it back.Two amore weeks, I'm sure. lol
>>540057190You're truly stupid. Discussion was never an option for you, only total submission. That's why the war started; war is just a continuation of diplomacy. Now all that remains is to resort to moralism, aka neo-Nazism, a new European idea of superiority that justifies all crimes, because they are against morally inferior races.
>>540057211>cannot entertain hypotheticalswildThis other anon was talking about how Russia having a circus for their slaves is OK because the US did it during Vietnam and Korea. The US won neither of these wars. Anon called it a partial win and we compared the outcomes to the SMO outcomes. But why am I explaining this to you, its a waste of time.>your copium has costMultiple hundred Ks of russian lives and a big stake of the future of the survivors.
>>540057296>Discussion was never an option for you,>war is just a continuation of diplomacyMan, contradicting yourself within 2 sentences cannot be healthy for the psyche.
>>540056826What an odd sewer in your ai image. Lmao. Floating grating you are literally posting ai art pretending it's real. Holy shit
>>540052493So are you going to the desert shithole, US or south america?
>>540055583>You shills have been telling me that Russia will collapse and will be balkanized in two more weeks for years on endYears on end of the 3 day very "special" military operation? Lol!Russia shills said the ukrainian army collapsed within hours and with town after town like bahkmut they claimed it was "le last fortress city" and it'd be smooth sailing to kyiv in a matter of weeks or just days afterwards!
>>540057346>>540057315Ukraine lost tranny. Keep the billions flowing tho and prepare sanctions bill #24
>>540057049that must hurt A LOT
>>540057346In what place? The Kremlin tried to debate you for 10 years, while your politicians simply stalled for time and planned a war, something your politicians themselves eventually admitted. Just as your Nazi grandfathers were stupid and aggressive, so are their moralistic descendants.
>>540057365Meds
>>540057446Will that make his ai art less AI art?
>>540056970>Ukraine was a belligerent stateRussia was under no threat of attack or invasion.All the dead Russians forgotten rotting into the ukrainian mud, all the burned refineries and warehouses, ruined lives, lost allies and markets and geopolitical power, none of it was necessary.
>>540057438>The Kremlin tried to debate you for 10 yearsThe Kremlin tried to debate Nazi warmongers that only know total domination for 10 years? >while your politicians simply stalled for time Then why was the reaction to the SMO so slow? It took weeks for military equipment from Europe to arrive. Germany sent helmets and your government produced vidrel in response. Your arguments do not line up with reality. If Europe was just waiting and preparing, why didnt they flood Ukraine with weapons on the very day you invaded? Your buildup on the border took MONTHS.w/e, waste of time
>>540057365I think you're wrong. The picture on google maps is from 11 years ago and they redid the sidewalk.If you look at the restaurant sign writing in his picture it's not AI gibberish and the sidewalk looks renovated.
>>540057455For you.
>>540056823>Blowing up electronics with a high altitude nuke, disarming the defenders and allowing an ez win badReal life is not your favorite Marvel movie. You should step out of that delusion.It looks like parking your artillery under civilian buildings is not a good idea.
>>540057543What floating grating? The arrow points at an old sewer lid. There is absolutely nothing remarkable about it. Except that its probably older than the US posters nation. Maybe thats whats confusing him.
>>540057414So, both sides lie and we have to determine on our own what's real and what not.Considering you sperg out when people try to have a meaningful discussion, resorting to one-liners, no arguments and mantras tells me you're worthless in determining what's real and what's lies.
>>540050853poland bro always makes these good threads
>>540057543Does 11 years change sidewalk diameter and move sewer grates? It's possible if the entire road collapses but I doubt it. There's floating geometry and disconnected along the sidewalk if you look close. No a lens won't do that it seems like he literally took google lens and just had it recreated.
>>540057315so russia lost 150k. killed 2mln soldiers, it received lebesnraum and vaccine (in progress)they are going to get more land in other regions before treaty is signed, formally its a landgrab but its legalized as buffer zone from enemy who refused to negotiate lolits not vietnam or north korean, colonian wars fought using different rules, war in europe happens when economic order is changedfor example now when all western strategy, recruitment, tacticks and weapon are studied on practice iran can openly challenge USArussia will be ready for the ww3 with the most experienced army which will give few years of advantage over the rest (while you will be improving), you will lose millions in this yearsglobalism and zog give extreme debuff to cohession and idk how you will be able to fight, maybe same as ukrainians do lol
>>540051592Russian FPV drones freely fly around the streets of Kramatorsk, striking Ukrainian military vehicles. Notably, a large number of civilian vehicles are still parked outside their homes, highlighting the high number of civilians still remaining in the city.
>>540057527>The Kremlin tried to debate Nazi warmongers that only know total domination for 10 years?Yes, they're not very smart either. They have to learn now that NATO is burning their businesses.>Then why was the reaction to the SMO so slow?Because they're stupid, narcissistic moralists. They never thought anyone would dare respond to them with aggression. Your government is no different from Trump in its behavior. It's the same old money.Just as Trump started shaking his head when Iran dared to respond and threaten total annihilation, so did your government. The idea that they don't have the resources for total annihilation and that they should keep their mouths shut—that just couldn't possibly have occurred to them.After all, both Trump and the EU had a ready-made plan for victory, and their opponent, such a scoundrel, decided to play against their script.
>>540057647>it received lebesnraum and vaccinewhatever, schizo
>>540057559How do you know that isn't privately owned civilian artillery?
>>540057365It's a very mundane thing when you tear down the road and pavement 100 times to fix or replace all the pipes and wires, altering the height of cobblestones every time.
>>540057657>Yes, they're not very smart eitherI am glad we can agree on something.>They never thought anyone would dare respond to them with aggression.So they are Nazis frothing at the mouth, only waiting to annhiliate you, but did not expect you to fight back, and this particular set of utter morons fooled the Kremlin for 10 years? And the Kremlin did not notice that the Nazis did not have the tools for total annhilation?Its just, the mental gymnastics required for your theories to make sense are just outworldly, anon. In my opinion, respectfully.
>>540057600Look closer anon the road also shifts height. Not a mound but literally falls off then stays there. Odd for a brick road to do that.
>>540057723Tear down the whole road huh. Odd it looks like shit then retard. He change elevation on it to?
>>540050853Quite a shame when you think about the ex Winterthur O405 GTZ‘s getting ballistically disposed there…
>>540057662i am against all wars because white people are dying out lolbut thats truth, war in europe and colonial wars have different outcomesEU & zog provoked this war, lost it pathetic way lol and now shills received commant to start Moralizing around
>>540057600I recognize you by the writing style. You're that ukro draft dodger and euroshill. The EUSSR will collapse. And the shallow hole in Donbas waits for you.
>>540057527>Then why was the reaction to the SMO so slow?That's something that a lot of people seem to have memoryholed even beyond russia shills.Pretty much everyone really DID think it would be basically "three days to kiyv".That Russia would storm in mostly unopposed and deliver a capitation strike, killing, capturing, or sending fleeing into exile the ukrainian leadership and then be free to either outright annex Ukraine or install a puppet government that would achieve essentially the same thing.And we were ready to let it happen and treat it like crimea. Some performative finger wagging and sanctions limited to Russian leadership but not much else.No one wanted to get pulled into or escalate the conflict or mess with cheap Russian fuel for Europe.Sanctions, support, permission to use that support only slowly built as we saw the resilience of Ukraine, the incompetence and brutality of russia, and the reality that this situation wasn't just gonna go away for our convenience.
>>540057703I love Ancap memes, they make me chuckle every time.
>>540057614Considering you need to try to frame any dispute with your shill narrative as "sperging out" I don't consider you arguing in good faith, as if that wasn't already obvious.
It's laughable that Russians boast to Europeans about how many Ukrainians they killed, when nobody cares about Ukrainians dying. Literally, only Soviets died in this war.
>>540055064If you have 30 k drones to play with it, its feasible to have a flying cannopy of drone teams carrying cammo for maskirovkaWhat would help the most is if china sold a fast drone battery swapper and recharger modifiable let reloading happen and said box is bolted on vehicles so they are converted drone carriers that can provide air patrol, recon, strike and interception
>>540057743>Its just, the mental gymnastics required for your theories to make sense are just outworldly, anon. In my opinion, respectfully.The reality is that the world isn't rational. Or do you really think politicians play five-dimensional chess and plan a hundred steps ahead, rather than thinking at a briefing when it's all over and they'll be flying back to their island?And in the EU, this irrationality can be multiplied several times over. Because the union has aggressively expanded without any resistance, yet it consists of different peoples with different interests. The only thing left is to constantly demonstrate loyalty; everything else will quickly break down in disputes, cultural and linguistic barriers.That's why the EU chose escalation in 2022. It was easier; it was a show of loyalty; otherwise, they would have been afraid of getting bogged down in their own squabbles.
>>540057788Destroyed in March 2026 RIP
>>540057797>Rent free>>540057758There is thousands of such streets in Europe. I dunno what to tell you. >>540057815Of course they try to rewrite history, because it does not fit the narrative of the "nazi europe only waiting to genocide russians" or whatever.
>>540057647>most experienced armyMost of them don't even last a month before their "experience" gets splattered all over and Russian command has completely failed to adapt to modern drone warfare.They still rely on meat waves and their inability to deal with even ridiculously slow long range drones is just humiliating.
>>540057642>Does 11 years change sidewalk diameter and move sewer grates?Yes. They redid the city center in Bucharest too and changed lots of things like making sidewalks larger or smaller, moving manholes, etc.AI or not, it's a non-sequitur because showing a city hundreds of kilometers away from the front is not an argument.
>>540057943Not an argument. You and your butt buddy can go try harder to make fake roads.i notice he jetted soon as it was called out.
>>540057785Life gets complicated when you can't simply pour tarmac over every surface.
>>540057903In fact we WANT slavshits to die otherwise we wouldn’t have trying holocausting them in WW2 along the kikes
>>540057795>provoked>When I came to rob you, you'd locked the door, an unacceptable provocation!Classic ziggers!
>>540057917>The reality is that the world isn't rational. The world isnt so irrational that multiple government officials in the Kremlin completely miss, for 10 years, that the people they are talking to>Do not want peace under any circumstance>But also do not have the weaponry and armies required to actually hurt RussiaI suppose in this fantasy land, an SMO is a smart choice, it begs the question why it went to shit then. >EU chose escalation in 2022. Russia chose escalation by sending thousands of soldiers and armored vehicles over the border, anon. There is absolutely no way to braintwist an invading army into agression of the other side. Unless you are a Nazi and only shooting back at poles at 4:30 AM I guess, you must believe that one as well I guess.
>>540057972Yeah I'm sure bud. They replace everything except that shitty broken section 11 years later. Brick road replacements do not shift elevation like that. Ever.
>>540057998That's not an argument in your favor. I feel like none of you understand when you replace a brick road you REMOVE the brick and replace it. It's so simple but 3 of you can't figure it out. Oddest shit.
>>540057878The only thing you brought forth was saying whatabout Russian shills.I addressed the point saying that both sides lie and we need to find the truth on our own.I am not disputing, I am discussing with the goal of better understanding the war while you seem to consider this a debate contest, resorting to gatcha and mantras.>I don't consider you arguing in good faithI don't care about your opinion. Discuss something meaningful or fuck off.
>>540057953russian soldiers lost 150k dead and 150k demobilized due to health or wounds from 2,4 mln currently active personalthere are also those on rotations, nobody knows exact numbers, its the most experienced army in the world and its getting better every dayit happens once-twice per century, i think they are preparing to something like "30 years war"this time west made a huge mistake, zog engaged russian army with their "expendable" nation earlier than their own arm or armies could get experience
>>540057911Ballons cammo cloth shade sails tethers and cheap small ground drones caotically masking some brigade
>>540058047Maybe Europe only paid to redo the sidewalk or they pocketed the money for the cobblestone.There are apps that tell you if it's AI or not. You can use one of those to be sure.Again, this is irrelevant because showing cities that are hundreds of miles away from the front doesn't mean shit.Take into account that the retard left and we're still debating on one of his useless pictures, meaning we are the true retards here.Also stop phonefagging. It's very disgraceful.
>>540058027again - moralism bullshit, i told you i condemn all wars lol, i can be moralist alsoyou have facts and numbers now, instead of following logic you moved to moralism and virtual reality
>>540058099Your "argument", such that it was, was that the strikes on russia, despite all the crying of "terrorism" and fuel line brawls, are having no effect because Russia hasn't surrendered yet and that anything negative towards Russia can't be trusted because people said Russia will collapse any day now(a stawman).I just pointed out that not only have Russia and it's thirdie shills been ACTUALLY pulling "just a few weeks/days till ukrainian collapse!" cope since the start of this war but your current narrative that it's just one more "le fortress city" and then kyiv will be taken has been repeated countless times in this war that you're not supposed to call a war lol>Discuss something meaningful Thanks to fuel shortages in agriculture Russia is struggling to make the current harvest and farmers say they can't afford to replant the next, but this time when famine strikes Russia the west isn't gonna bail them out lol
>>540058042You're trying to reduce everything to moralism; it's apparently already in the subcortex of your brain.The conflict didn't start in 2022. Diplomacy dragged on, and while it was ongoing, NATO merely imported weapons and assisted in the repressions in Ukraine. Since the EU didn't want to take Russia seriously, all that was left was war, a continuation of diplomacy. But that was a minor war that could have ended quickly; Russia was showing that it wasn't afraid to use force to defend its interests. But the EU responded with a woman's hysteria, which is already trying to achieve something through banal terrorism. It decided to escalate a conflict it had no chance of winning because it simply couldn't believe anyone dared to go against its highest moral standards.
>>540058238Kites, ballons and nets tethered to small rovers may be a good defence vs fpv drones on open fields
>>540050853>amk mappingHow brown exactly are you?
>>540058229>150k dead and 150k demobilized due to health or woundsI know it's part of Russian information warfare to blatantly lie as some kind of "flex" but it's exactly this that has turned previously neutral people like me against ziggers and their shit skin shills.Hey ranjeep, why the memeflag? Ashamed of your third world shithole and don't make enough shillbux to afford a vpn?
>>540058319You "condemn all wars" yet justify Russia's invasion of choice by saying le ebil west "provoked" it, suuuuure.
>>540058365Sending thousands of soldiers and vehicles is an escalation, morals have nothing to do with it. The EU did not give the order to these soldiers. Russias commander in chief did. Russia chose escalation in 2022. It is unfathomable how one can try to twist that.
>>540058428All russia shills are brown until proven to be Jewish.
>>540058501>Sending thousands of soldiers and vehicles is an escalationAnd? Of course, this escalation is a response to your "diplomacy," which was trying to prepare the forces for a sucker punch. Like Trump, basically. No one was going to wait for this calmly. The EU went into hysterics over this and decided to escalate even further when they didn't even have the strength to do so. Ninety percent of everything depends on the US, even now. As a result, you've completely isolated yourself and now have to lick Trump's anus so he finally decides not to abandon you. Greed, a monkey with a banana - that's all Europe.
>>540058363Those strikes don't seem to affect the situation at the front. People's outrage is directed at Ukraine, driving more support for the war.Is it false that we are told for years that Russia will collapse, that Putin will be removed and so on for years on end?I agreed that both sides lie. If you want to go on about Ukraine's collapse, yes it has collapsed economically and it mostly subsists on gibs like a welfare sheeboon queen that shat out 8 children for gibs.>your current narrative that it's just one more "le fortress city"Where have I said that?>Thanks to fuel shortages in agriculture Russia is struggling to make the current harvest and farmers say they can't afford to replant the next, but this time when famine strikes Russia the west isn't gonna bail them out lolI hear they get steady fuel supplies from India now.If they can't have enough fuel for agriculture they will retreat from occupied territories and offer Ukraine war reparations to have peace.Two more weeks, I'm sure. lol
>>540058486Russia's invasion was more justified than any of the US wars since WW2.
>>540058656>Le both sides>But I'll only criticize Ukraine and defend russiaYou are not subtle or clever.
>>540058262They didn't there's a 2022 image on Google. It's more rundown and shitty. Not same angle but you can tell. I'm done arguing it if you want to worship some ai image go ahead. You just need to actually look at the image closely. It's to picturesque. Odd dimensions and a scale of things that isn't real. Ai can do things well now but it fucks up on some stuff if you just look closely. The odd thing is how close it is to Google maps image he likely took that and told ai to recreate it. Not sure why you carry water for a shill.
>>540058437Indeed. Wonder why they don't draft like Ukraine does nonstop for 4 years? Odd if they lose so much. Can you point to a nation that lost such high numbers and never drafted? Just one?
>>540058760You addressed no points I made.Is it forbidden to criticize Ukraine? You should've left it there without bringing up its collapse so I won't point out that economically speaking it did collapse.Being realistic is not defending Russia.Saying things you don't like but you can't address with facts and logic means you're wrong.
>>540058091>when you replace a brick road you REMOVE the brick and replace it.Are you retarded? ORANGE VESTS HAVE TO PUT IT BACK. And usually they fail miserably at it, making reality glitches like your flying grate.
>>540058947>Is it forbidden to criticize Ukraine?It is, when you talk to nafo fuckwits
>>540058821Calm your tits. It's detected as AI enhanced.You're right and I was wrong.Still non-sequitur, Liov is on the other side of the country.
>>540059147According to the instructions they have they attack people who are neutral and as a result the pro-Russian support increases with each of their posts.Truly the biggest waste of funds and energy in terms of propaganda.
>>540058641>this escalation is a response>EU chose escalation in 2022. So Russia chose escalation. As a response.
>>540059761Okay, I'm tired of you, Europe is of course the moral center of the planet, has every right to expand with its superior civilization and only evil opposes it.
