I love graded readers. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and possibly the best hobby a man can have.
This is one for Spanish.
Germanhttps://archive.org/details/elementarygerman0000unse_x6b0Spanishhttps://archive.org/details/gradedspanishrea0000carlItalianhttps://archive.org/details/gradeditalianrea0000ciofFrenchhttps://archive.org/details/basicfrenchreadi00bondRussianhttps://archive.org/details/bwb_W8-BJG-774
>>540051438You could perhaps explain what they are?
you got them for japanese?
>>540053507Looks like a language learning tool.
>>540053507see pic here >>540053145It's books for learning a language. The vocabulary and grammar are limited but it's done in a very deliberate, engineered way, scientific even. The method was developed at the University of Chicago in the 1920s by Peter Hagboldt. The vocabulary of a book can be limited to words which are among the 500 most frequent words in that language for example. New words are introduced by a certain number per page, and they are repeated a certain number of times etc. The easiest level of graded reader lets you begin reading from day one of learning a language.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graded_readerFor example the German book I linked is divided into five "books", parts which were previously published as separate booklets, hence why they're called books:book one: using 500 wordsbook two: adding 150 wordsbook three: adding 95 wordsbook four: adding 80 wordsbook five: adding 50 wordstotal vocabulary: 875 words
in this day and age, learning any language except your native one and English (if it's not your native language) is a waste of time. might as well take up cartography.
>>540053573I haven't looked into that but from googling they seem to exist.
>>540051438No need to waste time with that shit because everything worth reading is already in English.Even in interpersonal communication, English is the only language required. It is the Lingua Franca until the end of time.
>>540054017i have studied translating, localizing and interpreting for long enough to realize that true translations are fundamentally impossible. if you are not experiencing media in its original form then you aren't experiencing it at all
>>540054017No, it's not a waste of time.There are two types of learning, for utility and for intellectual cultivation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAp8hX0U-jw
>>540054109Is it worth learning macaroni or should I learn German
>>540054201german is really harditalian shouls be easy for you, but are you actually interested in it? french or spanish would probably make more sense
>>540054068Again, there are two types of learning, learning for utility and learning for intellectual cultivation. Especially in this day with google translate, AI etc we need to focus on the latter. Here are two books for learning arithmetic the proper way, with logic rather than rote memorization:https://leathalobaidi.com/projects/kiselev/https://archive.org/details/elementsofarithm00demorichUtilitarianism/pragmatism is death.
>>540054068>Even in interpersonal communication, English is the only language required.Based retard and good luck traveling.
Latin is the language you learn in order to get a deep understanding of grammar.https://archive.org/details/latinforbeginner0000benjhttps://archive.org/details/CommentariesOnTheGallicWarCaesarCompletelyParsedBookIhttps://archive.org/details/completely-parsed-cicero-oration-1https://archive.org/details/fully-parsed-horace-odes-translation-pub-cohttps://books.google.com/books/about/The_Aeneid_of_Virgil.html?id=xhZAAAAAYAAJ
The easiest way to get started with Latin is probably with Familia Romana. As you can see the threshold is very low, you begin learning from page one.https://archive.org/details/familia-romanahttps://archive.org/details/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-fileshttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/539230460/#539231564
>>540053940Huh, interesting. I'm going to get the Spanish one. Thanks, anon.
literacy is not a black and white thing, it's a spectrum
>>540055756You reach level 5 and beyond by studying the Trivium. The purpose of school is to put you firmly at level 1 or 2 for life, and it's largely successful; most people never break out of it, because they don't study the Trivium.
>>540053193Is there for siswati? It's got this cool grammar like rhyming from the front. It's not kolmogorov efficiency but it's lyrical
>>540054017>learning any language except your native one and English is a wasteAt first I was like wow there are Swazi who speak perfect English I will just talk to them. Then I noticed the old men and country men, the ones who could chop a goat head or snare logwaja spoke little English and the fluencers were corrupted by contact with huWhites
>>540056268Don't know. Google it and report back if you find free ones for absolute beginners.>grammar like rhyming from the frontwhat?
>>540057050This is a thread about reading and intellectual cultivation. Women study languages to chat. Men study languages to read. Utilitarianism/pragmatism is death. Stick to English if all you care about is being able to order a cheeseburger. This thread is not for such a person. Study Latin and other languages if you want to cultivate your intellect. Utilitarians don't have an intellect to cultivate.>>>/wsg/6195115>>>/wsg/6188932
>>540055756>spectrumThe utility of language is different for the clerc and the man in the field. For me the obscure words of literature have high Shannon entropy in the material world: wild fruits, types of wood, small fleshy creatures and internal organs. If you can pick out one word when the bros are chatting you at least know what they talking about. Amongst Europeans numbers is what you need because they always talking money. In a small kingdom, place names keep you grounded in conversation and later you can figure their entomology. Listening to tales of the soccer match is where verbs are regailed
>>540057125>rhyming from the frontA preposition gets a prefix from the noun. I'm probably mangling it because it's day 2 formal for me: tinja tiphiInja, dog. Tinja dogs. Phi where. Phi gets a ti prefix to go with tinja
>>540054068frfr on god biiiihh
>>540057394What's your point? The level of literacy has little to do with vocabulary. Chatting has nothing to do with literacy, regardless of topic.
>>540057361>Don't live a life where you growYou sound fat. I already know Latin and find it useful. Learning siswati is a fun game and it's more fun because there are IRL 3d beings to share the Logos and manifest the dinner
>>540057605You are the academic simulacrum destroying the real. Language is Logos
>>540057627>>540057690fuck off uncultured swine
>>540057783Look, man, we already know who you are because you used your favorite word you refuse to discuss.Cut off and consume your own dick before roping.
>>540054068Lingua Franca converging on lowest common denominator of an expanding human sludge. Languages co-evolved/godmade with hominid hardware in habitat specific context. Hybrid humans speaking pidgin are only suited for a McDonalds landscape
>>540054539the only traveling they do is to Disneyland where they also speak English
>>540057783>Stfu faggot retard Ah, your llm is adapting to the men of letters
>>540054187What does he mean when he talks about Zionists?
>>540057948learn how to have a civil discussion, until then stay the fuck away
>>540057848I agree. The pampered swedish princess talking about whatever homework she got today is not political, it's just adolescent masturbation, she should get banned
>>540058031bror, asking for civil discussion on the fourth channel is like asking for a virigin in a whorehouse
>>540058031By civil, do you mean passive aggressive blasphemy against the holy spirit?
>>540058032>Potty mouth anti aristocracy Bismarck really fucked yous up gud
>>540057848>>540058032fuck off coombrains
>>540054017>might as well take up cartography.or chess
>>540058292>fuck off coombrainsYou know where you are? You bring up that topic and your thread dies a petit mort
>>540051438Good thread
>>540054109I think it depends on how close the languages are to one another. So say Dutch or Norwegian will translate very well into German, but Romanian to German is already a stretch, Turkish to English is also difficult, Vietnamese to German is even harder.Of course you can always relate the general sense, and in many ways I think the best translations are those that try to really simplify the complexity, purple prose into purple prose seldom works well. But I believe it's stupid to claim you can't translate very well. It all depends on the intellect of the translator, its a craft .
>>540061684>VJizQW6uNo two translations of the Tao teh Ching have any commonality. It's as if the Kanji is a Rorschach for alphabetical projections
>>540054109>true translations are fundamentally impossible. if you are not experiencing media in its original form then you aren't experiencing it at all
>>540062176Friendly reminder: the world has been run into the ground by three branches of a death cult whose members all LARP around the "word of god", but either:>speak a 19th century bastardized construct of a dead pidgin of proto-hellenic, minoan, hieratic and aramaic script and tongue, and systematically deny or edit source materials to fit their canon and origin myth>speak a language that only has a normalized form in its diaspora and differs regionally to the point of constituting different languages entirely in all but script>speak modern pidgins of their traditional tongues, that are influenced by noises and squiggles that hardly constitute a language at all (i.e.: muttian "English"), and solely rely on n-th-hand translations, interpretations and commentaries
>>540051438Any suggestions on starting a language like Chinese? I don't have anyone nearby that speaks it and don't even know where to start.
>>540062572>script renorming You are onto a Big. If writing is the map and talking is the territory; the interplay of blight and natter is the simulacrum destroy the Logos. International post fall Latin is full ersatz. Spoken Hebrew the abomination of frankenfort and pre contact ougabouga the refuge
>>540054201If you want to learn German there is also another type of reader with parsing, which means it has footnotes telling you which case a word is, which word is triggering it to be that case, etc:https://archive.org/details/progressivegerma00adlehttps://archive.org/details/agermanreaderfo00harrgooghttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hwsrk2>>540054253Doesn't really matter if it's hard or easy. It's all about taking it in manageable chunks and enjoying the learning process itself.
>>540063174>Gradualismo GermaniiiAbsolutely Fabian; destroying the immersive game by over explaining the joke. Skimread graded readers with the bros over beers for the lulz
>>540063539don't you have a pride parade to participate in or something
>>540053940give me a virgin redhead swede and I will read, I look like webm
>>540054539Going to the other end of my state is more traveling than you visiting a dozen countries. In the USA you're only going to encounter Spanish and there's nothing to gain talking with anyone that only speaks Spanish.
>>540063174for learning to read the Fraktur fonthttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044102864030https://archive.org/details/interlinear-german-reading-book-hahn-thimm-1901-marlboroughhttps://archive.org/details/erstesdeutsches00wormgooghttps://www.pgdp.net/wiki/Anyone_can_learn_FrakturAlso, maybe I should have posted this url for the last book, it takes you to where the actual reading begins:https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hwsrk2&seq=21That's rather grainy, so these help with that:https://archive.org/details/wilhelmtell00sch/page/3/mode/1uphttps://projekt-gutenberg.org/authors/friedrich-schiller/books/friedrich-schiller-wilhelm-tell/chapter/2/https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/77182/pg77182-images.htmlThis is the song that begins on the second page, see picrel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOCL4n5miAYhttps://www.lieder.net/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=75556
>>540053573Why waste your time? I used to do the same with Italian but I figured that with globohomo and ever evolving software tools you don't need to learn anything except english. I've ran into italian todlers who can speak english as fluently as a bong. I've used translations tools all through my professional career and always got the job done.
>>540063745>why you keeping my thread aliveFor the lulz, anon. Fishing for a good time hoping someone of calibre will show up. I appreciate your attempt to elevate the discourse and offer counterpoint in harmony
>>540064028Again, women study languages to chat to people, men study languages to read and cultivate the intellect. There are two types of learning; learning for utility, and learning for intellectual cultivation. You can just press buttons on a calculator and not think any more about that, or you can learn arithmetic the proper way with logic rather than rote memorization:https://leathalobaidi.com/projects/kiselev/https://archive.org/details/elementsofarithm00demorichUtilitarianism/pragmatism and curiosity/truth/intellectual cultivation are mutually exclusive.https://sacred-texts.com/mas/sof/sof28.htmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvYaOtciyfk&t=18430
>>540064239Can you stfu already? I've already explained. Go eat your cheetos and jerk off, incurious utilitarian, ie uncultured swine.
>>540064503>Utilitarianisms ism schisms This reeks of Hardy's insincere Mathematicians Apology in which he later gloats that what was done for the lulz ended up being great tools for Satan's little tech elves"Therefore profit comes from what is there; and usefulness from what is not there"
>>540064898fuck off troll
>>540065681Get your own blog. Pay for the hosting. Then you are free to decide who participates. Here we do things in the open
>>540064503Maybe it's because you're too up your own asshole, but let me state it another way: In America your only actual way to expose yourself to a language other than Spanish is to spend $2k+ on airplane tickets alone to visit some country for a few weeks. That's it. You can do all sorts of other shit to emulate it, but you will not be able to grow language skills enough to warrant the massive time and money sink. >B-b-but real men read, don't converse! Yeah okay, just lose out on half of language and not understand intonations or how they translate to text, that definitely makes it worthwhile. You are a lingual autist and can't recognize how silly your hyperfixation is to anyone that doesn't have their parents paying all of the bills.
>>540065948fuck off, you're shitting up the thread
>>540066497>stfu faggot retard No U. This thread is now pwned by high lvl epistemiologists. Be grateful for your role in it's creation; perhaps this is your chance to learn the art of conversation and go with the flow
>>540053940>Peter Hagboldtbased thread swedanon. jannies education is political
>>540051438>best hobbyYeah sorry buddy but beating off to shota is superior in every way
>>540051438german fairy tales?>all mixed>fables>anecdotes and murmurs>five famous tales>fortunatus (luck?)>the peter of nuremberg>the mysterious village>the adventure of the new year's night
>>540066262You are extremely brainwashed. What massive time and money sink? Learning is not mastering. It's not like you can't open a graded reader and learn a few words unless you swear an oath to commit to studying for hours every day until you are able to write an award-winning novel. It's not harder for Americans to learn languages than it is for anyone else. Begin by reading one page of Familia Romana >>540054959. If you like it, keep going. When you get stuck a few chapters in which happens for everyone, either use the Neumann Companion I linked in the 4plebs thread, or the D'Ooge book in the first link here >>540054576. I linked the audio files. This is the same link but a few clicks in:https://ia601005.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/29/items/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files/lingua%20latina%20audio.zipClick the link I highlighted in picrel. Or use this link:https://archive.org/download/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files/lingua%20latina%20audio.zip/FAMILIA%20ROMANA%20PARS%20I%2F1%20Imperium%20Romanum.m4aWhy learn Latin? Because it gives you a deep understanding of grammar. And because it's the language they studied in the Trivium.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/530779621/#530780108
>>540051438How is your niche hobby relevant for /pol/?Shouldn't you blogpost about this on /lit/ or some other more fitting board?
>>540065681>>540066497Pattern Recognition
>>540068097>the government pushing us into literacy levels 1 and 2 when we have the potential to reach 5 and beyond—is not political44% of adults in America have high literacy, level 4 or 5.61% of adults in America are white.That means at least 27.8% of all white adults in America are not level 4 or 5. In reality, because high literacy is distributed across all racial groups, the actual percentage of white adults below level 4 or 5 is significantly higher than this absolute minimum baseline.
