We're still nowhere near the intensity of WWII, but this is starting to look like the sleepwalking nightmare which could actually start intense near-peer conflict. >Iran war now involves basically everyone in the region>US supporting Ukraine against Russia>China supporting Russia against Ukraine>China AND Russia supporting Iran against the USThis is all just so fucking stupid. It won't take much to ignite something real here. We're all way too complacent about escalation. Major war rarely seems realistic until it actually is real. And at our helm we have a legitimate moron who seems to be driven mostly by the optics -- he can't be seen to lose this, even if the wiser course is to disengage. The scary part is that I'm not even scared. I'm just fucking resigned at this point.
>>540064353you lost, tranny
Just another sandbox war quagmire.This shit will simmer for the next 5 years and some future admin will take the blame
>>540064353Thankfully the rest of the world leaders aren't completely retarded like Donny Numbnuts here, we ain't getting WW3 and time soon.
War will be heaven compared to the modern hell we've created. Maybe after the war is over Europe will regain its balls.
>>540064353If you're so anxious to fight, you should enlist. The rest of us know the definition of political theater.
>>540064428I don't share your confidence. It's reasonable to assume that, in a sense, because that's how things have played out in recent history. I'm not sure you're accurately weighting the unique contemporary conditions, though. After all, Russia wasn't involved in a ground war in prior circumstances which it seems determined to make an existential one. Additionally, US support of NATO is as doubtful as it has literally ever been. In terms of military strength, China is likely at a local high relative to America on account of factors like drones, recent Chinese buildup, and the US' low stocks of e.g. interceptors. I don't think there are good arguments for things playing like they have in the past because the strategic landscape is totally different today.
>>540064511I did, almost twenty years ago. Been there, done that. I don't want to do it again, and I don't want my fellow Americans to have to do it, either. This isn't political theater -- it's a hot war, and it's not just one. It feels good and comforting to imagine that everything is theater because, in that case, everything in a sense is under control. I don't think you should be comfortable right now. I think comfort, especially at this moment in time, is likely complacency.
>>540064353You forgot to mention the us is operating without the slightest bit of logic and reason. We are pretty openly a vassal state-proxy at this point, nominally led by a mentally retarded obese 80 year old orange golem with an ego that’s size is only outdone by its fragility. We are basically Ukraine 2.0 and they can’t wait to send us into the meat grinder
>>540064353He canceled the ground attack. Bolstering never won wars.
The reason I don't see it becoming a world war is because all the smaller countries hate the big three and don't want to die for them (or Israel). This isn't like WW1 or 2 where European countries drew lines in the sand and picked their sides. It's more like 3 big faggots (one of whom is Israel's dog) are fucking around with each other and everyone else wants to sit it out.
Undraftable and more canned beans stocked than any man can eat.Calm, moisturized, in my lane and flourishing.
>>540064809In total war, your trading partners are also valid targets. No one is going to let Europe or Japan/Korea sit out -- North Korea will see to the South, and China will attack Japan to deny its industrial base to the US.
>>540064809>European countries drew lines in the sand and picked their sides.We were forced to pick a side and we ended up fighting both our enemies. If not for the lost territories (Basarabia and Cadrilater) and paying war reparations to Russia, we could've claimed to be net victors of the war.
>>540064970Chinese are not stupid, they will win by not fighting.Xi is not an unhinged loose cannon like Trump is. If the whole world goes at war, the whole world will lose more or less. Regardless of how the war ends, your country will be too spent to continue propping Taiwan. Without US support, there won't be a de-facto state of Taiwanese secession from China and the de-jure will prevail. Without a single shot fired.If Xi goes to war, he loses the Mandate of Heaven and China will eventually descend into chaos. He doesn't have an ego to feed in order to prove himself a great warrior. He will be respected as a wise man that won without fighting and that's more than enough for him.
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>>540064353The major thing on our side is that he's terrified of seriously affecting the stock market. He will never fully commit to this war with a ground invasion because it was cause a GFC-like event and destroy his personal finances, given how much of his wealth is tied up in public markets. All his donors are also heavily invested in the market and would have his ass if they cost him any serious money.
>>540065688Putin isn't stupid, either -- he was just a strongman who momentarily forgot he'd purged everyone sufficiently competent to threaten his power. Then, he went to war based on the output of a system weakened by corruption and sycophancy. Xi has also consolidated power. He also sits on top of a power structure built around his personalized power. This is the problem with autocracy: once your personal success becomes tied to the judgment of a powerful autocrat, incentive structures shift. Your primary goal fundamentally shifts away from doing your job well to making the autocrat perceive you as doing your job well. These are basic, human things; totally orthogonal to intelligence. It's why they occur in the first place. There's no telling how far along this dynamic China is. The only thing that's sure is that they are on that path. This is how globally irrational actions can become locally rational.
>>540064970You’re just fear-mongering, jew. What is it? You’re coming apart at the seams? Get used to it lol.
>>540064809Size of the country doesn't matter. If your land has whites, they will be dragged into the meat grinder no matter what.
>>540064428>it’s just like all the other ME warslol nopeThe Ukraine war disrupted the global oil supply. To keep the petrodollar intact, keep fuel prices low, and prevent the oil market from spiraling out of control, Biden opened the Strategic Petroluem Reserve. It dropped to its lowest levels ever recorded (a critical level) by the time he left office.When Trump was elected again, he granted more drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico. It’s not surprising; “drill baby drill” is a Republican mantra. Earlier this year, Trump opened the SPR again for the same Reason Biden did. Now it was war in Iran that caused a global disruption. But the SPR had already been depleted just a few years prior and had yet to be refilled.It was expected to be totally empty (to a point where it causes a serious market issue, anyway) in mid August. That’s why Trump was rushing for a peace deal in June. Predicting when the SPR will “run dry” isn’t an exact science, so sometime in July new predictions were made and the date was pushed back to late September. Regardless, the clock is ticking.There was a peace deal in June, but it was torpedoed by Israel; they will not abide by any deals, and are not controlled by the US. So the decision is simple: remain a key ally of Israel, continue an h winnable war, and allow the oil market to explode and fuel prices to skyrocket, or stop supporting Israel and everything it does, walk away from ME wars, and keep the petrodollar intact. Trump has chooses Israel, war, and $9/gallon gasoline.
>>540064691I don't believe that you did, or you would now be doing something unrelated to war. Fade away quietly, Anon.
>>540064353>WWIII... but unironically?listen idiots,world war means WORLD WARa few countries fighting each other is not a WORLD WAR
>>540064353i knew this was going to happen, I tried to warn you guys not to vote for it
>>540066364>leeching petrol reserve to feed parasites fixes oil prices>drilling more oil to fix the supply chain doesn't change pricesaha, have any more tidbits of wisdom or shall your lobotomy continue?
>>540064353That's funny because your paragraphs are just like the other AI paragraphs that have been typed up here.
>>540065688Problem wont be Xi, it could be who comes after him, he purged all the smart people from the army and his cabinet to avoid anyone overshadowing him so when he leaves due old age, illness or croaks the succesor is probably going to be a moron.
This is all a smokescreen for the Jewish and Satanist New World Order Trump will go to Hell
>>540066382I'm not sure what you even mean. I deployed to Kandahar in 2009. I left the army in 2012. I very much like doing things unrelated to war, but because I spent the intervening decade dealing with the fallout of my deployment, war still means something to me. To put it lightly, war sucks pretty bad. It should be avoided. That's why I care, if you haven't put two and two together yet...
>>540064353I hate these Jewish games.
>>540064970>No one is going to let Europe or Japan/Korea sit outkek nigger, at the slightest hint of a "threat" your NATO will fall apart. nobody is going to fight your war, it should be obvious by now
>>540066788Oh, so one way or another, you're a crusader. Clear. I suppose the soapbox and ballet box are safe spaces for you to vent.
>>540067068A post ago, I was a liar. Now, I'm apparently a crusader. It seems like you're just cycling through possible ways to dismiss what I'm saying without having to actually engage it... just kinda throwing shit at the wall until something hopefully sticks. I'm not a "crusader," either, whatever that means to you. Either way, it looks like you have nothing of substance to say.
>>540066137Putin may look like a genius when compared with your leaders, but he's a brainlet compared to Xi.Putin purged mostly traitors that brought Russia in the gutter before he took power. He rooted out corruption.Power consolidation is normal. Name competent people that Putin or Xi had removed and replaced with yes-men as is the case in so many Western countries, including yours.You obviously don't understand the Chinese Communist Party. It's quite democratic and has no traces of Autocracy as Xi doesn't get to dictate policies, instead the political decisions are taken at party-level through consultations with local representatives and debates. There is nothing autocratic about this.Xi didn't use any underhand tricks to gain power within the CCP, he is a man who worked hard for the people and his work could not be ignored or denied when time came to pick a leader.He purges incompetent people from the party all the time, mimicking competence doesn't work with him and just recently I head they had some corrupt faggot executed for being a corrupt faggot.>These are basic, human thingsDifferent system, different people, different leader. I think you look at things through your own prism. Yes-men are appreciated in corrupt countries like US and EU states, but they are despised in China. In Russia it's a give and take situation as their whole society revolves more or less around corruption.If you consider Russia or China your enemies, you do the first and biggest strategic mistake of not understanding your enemies.
>>540064353Get over it. War is normal. The last 80 years of peace are the anomaly.
>>540067362>Putin may look like a geniusOnly to an 80iq retard.
nah, there won't be a WWIII until climate change pushes nations to the brink. Nukes are too much of a threat and the world is too stable.
>>540066668Smart people are not always good people. The only argument towards those purged being "good and smart" is that the US and EU MSM said they are good. For Xi maybe they were simply traitors.>the successor is probably going to be a moronSounds like cope but let's say it's as you say. What's worse, an intelligent traitor or a dumb man who is faithful to the country and people?
>>540064353>couldshalom glownigger faggot kike
>>540067512>when compared with your leadersThat's what I said. You didn't bother to read the rest?
>>540064353stfu faggot nothing ever happensiran is just a cocksleeve for XYZ superpower anyways
>>540067584>You didn't bother to read the rest?No. Too long
>>540067362>Name competent people that Putin or Xi had removed and replaced with yes-men as is the case in so many Western countries, including yours.The argument I'm making is more of an ex silencio-style argument. Roughly, if competent professionals tend to rise to the top of professional pyramids in meritocratic organizations, where were they when Putin acted on faulty intelligence of both his own stature and that of Ukraine? Putin's decision was a disaster at every possible level. Western intelligence reports strongly suggest that what roughly happened was that everyone gave a rosy outlook to everyone above them, all the way up to Putin, which concealed deep unreadiness. That kind of institutional rot doesn't happen exclusively to personalized-power regimes, but it is a hallmark of the mature structure. Patronage becomes more important than anything else at every level because bad reports are punished severely -- no one can be caught fixing a problem. There are additional reports about the ongoing concentration of power in the CCP. Worth a DDG search if you're interested.
>>540067683Your problem, not mine. I'm sorry you are not Indian to have a higher IQ than the regular brit.
>>540067772>I'm sorry you are not IndianWhat a refreshing change.
>>540067546Dumb people take stupid actions, see Trump with Iran or Putin with Ukraine.
>>540064809True. It was always just going to be america versus china and russia. Europe doesn't give a single fucking shit and have decided to go the buddhist monk route.
>>540068028>Europe doesn't give a single fucking shit and have decided to go the buddhist monk route.For the sake of accuracy, this doesn't seem to be true. Europe is currently rearming at its fastest pace at least since the Cold War and is now the single largest benefactor of Ukraine's resistance against Russia. Europe seems to very much be trying to take its future into its own hands.
>>540064353We are unironically too dependent on china's manufactory capabilities to dare a fucking world war broski it ain't going to happen soon.
>>540066364>Trump has choosesTrump can choose whatever the fuck he wants, the people are ultimately the ones who make the real choice. If they allow god emperor trump to draft them, so be it. If not, then so be it.
>>540068148The politicians can do what they want, it's the people who ultimately decide.
>>540067753You start from the (false) premise that Putin purged competent professionals and not traitors that made their way to the top by selling out Russia.This war has nothing to do with faulty or correct intelligence. It's a containment plan devised by the NKVD while Stalin was still alive and all projections showed a collapse of the USSR. The current apparatus just pulled the plan, tweaked it to the current situation and started applying it.What is the disaster in gaining new territories, and bleeding dry your enemies?>Western intelligence reports strongly suggestI wipe my ass with your "intelligence" reports on a daily basis.The projections for the unfolding of the war in its initial stages were correct and the Russian army achieved A LOT with a very limited manpower and arsenal at its disposal., bringing Ukraine to the negotiating table in about a month or so. The fact that Russians were dumb enough to pull back from occupied territories as part of the Istanbul Peace deal before Zelensky was told to continue fighting is a diplomatic failure, not a military failure. The only achievement Ukraine had was pushing out Russians further because their manpower was insufficient for the next stage of war. Then they adapted, kept hold of the territories they still had, defeated the Ukrainian counteroffensive meant to reach Crimea, defeated the Ukrainian insurrection in Russia and they continued to gain ground.You can't call this a disaster by any means, especially when you said that you are a man of arms.>There are additional reports about the ongoing concentration of power in the CCPYour glowniggers and media seethe because your enemy did something in his own detriment? I highly doubt that.
>>540067938>the dalit outs himself after you tickle his egoSo easy.
>>540067341/pol/ has a lot of posts like these now where they just act as obnoxious and venomous as possible. You probably triggered some white house demoralization bot by making a post critical of hawkish foreign policy
>>540067986Why are you comparing Xi with Trump and Putin?You can't make an argument that Putin did the wrong thing by invading Ukraine when you are bankrupting yourself by paying for Ukraine's war.
>>540068429>I wipe my ass with your "intelligence" reports on a daily basis.Right on. Looks like you don't accept any evidence I find valid -- that kind of a priori renders my entire argument moot based on your evidentiary standards, right? For the record, I reject your evidentiary standards and think intelligence reports from western countries are valid -- not foolproof or ironclad, but valid. If you disagree, we're not going to be able to have a constructive discussion.
>>540064445All the other world leaders are controlled like Don. The ones that aren't, are removed from office (Maduro)
>>540064970They can just stop giving American crucial parts to end the war. We need to ban Freemasonry.
>>540064396Nigger if ww3 kicks off, we all lost
>>540064809>assuming you'll have an optionJapanon, your country will be used as the Ukraine of asia.
>>540065688It won't be Xi, it'll be japan that strikes first under the command of the US (Israel)
>>540068598You didn't put forth any evidence to begin with, you just said that your glowniggers said so.You are generally low IQ niggers so what you say amounts to little or nothing for me.You fail to address my own points meaning you consider I'm right.You have no proof or argument that either Putin or Xi purged competent people that were faithful to their countries.The fact that after Putin's purges Russia redressed and had an economic boom proves the opposite of what your "intelligence" reports.For the record, you are a fucking loser nigger that couldn't make it without enlisting as a zogbot and killing people in an occupational war which you found very distressing.I reiterate the fact that fighting Iran won't be like fighting Afghan insurgents in flipflops and advancing on Baghdad with an overwhelming force backed by a huge technological advantage.Let's see your brown welfare queens that enlisted in the US Army for gibs fight Iran. That will be a funny match to watch.
it's a fair question, op, since as you've pointed out some of the ingredients for world war are presentbut I doubt one will eruptat the onset of ww2 Germans were spoiling for a rematch, whereas nowadays none of the major players want direct conflictthey'll continue to antagonize each other through proxies
>>540068524Maybe. It was obvious as early as 2016 (e.g. Cambridge Analytica) that organized, widespread information campaigns were not only possible but actually totally and undeniably real. That was pre-LLM, pre-Palantir. >pre-PalantirActually, I just looked that up -- it not only wasn't pre-Palantir but fucking WITH Palantir. CA worked alongside Palantir to sway both Brexit and the 2016 campaign. Either way, it's terrifying to think of how good these information campaigns probably are right now, considering the massive advances in technology and how little oversight there is that's publicly available. I won't directly accuse that anon of being a bot, but I think that if we ever know even 10% of what's going on right now 50 years from now, people will probably be fucking shocked.
>>540068947Japanese men are too busy watching their women getting railed by niggers, same as you, same as Eurocucks.If Japanese somehow find their balls and decide to fight for their ladyboss, China will have a huge advantage being the defending side. Japanese will get slaughtered and their society will be negrified faster., meaning it won't hurt them or appreciators of Japanese culture as much as the slow descend into societal disaster.
You left your own thread or you're out of arguments, retarded nigger?
