is it fake and ghey or actually real?
>>540079075It's real and it's going to turn these first world countries in Europe into desert shitholes and I can't wait for that. I am moving to Russia when that happens.
>>540079075Global cimate change warming is just a retread.The OG New Ice Age is where it's at
>>540079075It’s aliens.They are screwing with the weather.
>>540079075Of course it's real. Scientists knew about it in the 19th century. We produce 30 billion tons of CO2 every year and shit it into the atmosphere, stands to reason it's going to have an effect.
Jews are doing it with their weather machines to push migration and rqce mixing
It’s very real. carbon emissions are boring a hole in our atmosphere and wetbulb temperatures are skyrocketing. If we don’t switch to EV’s in the next 2 years we are all going to die. Personally, I drive an all electric Honda. Would highly recommend it.
>>540079405so why are people convinced it's not real?
>>540079075yesAsk me anything >>540079906People are retarded, especially here on /pol/.>t. chemical engineer
>>540080028that much is obvious but why do retards deny reality instead of accepting the fact that changing the chemical composition of the atmosphere will have an effect on weather?
>>540080709I’m still waiting for the year we will run out of oil.
>>540079075Its real. Climate change deniers should be taxed.
>>540080640Ubfortunately the world becomes increasingly more complex, the speed of information transmission increases and many people straight up fail to catch up. The internet, society, your neighbour, everyone comes up with solutions which are simple and easy to understand. Climate is far from easy, especially since climate scientists are still unable to tell what exactly will happen due to the increase in temperature, which is factually linked to CO2 concentration (420 ppm atm) and other climate gases. You can take a look at "Planetary boundaries" for example, which depict what I am trying to say pretty well. >pic related: CO2 Concentration the last 400.000 yearsThe people on here come up with simple solutions like:>the earth has always been changing, don't forget we had an Ice age sweety! It's a coping mechanism. A cope for not being able to understand reality and therefore trying to formulate one's own theory of the universe
>>540080896Imagine having a bathtub you constantly take water from. The buckets you are using are getting bigger and bigger. What will happen after some time?You are aware that every Ressource on this planet is finite, right? Even the air we breath, the water we drink? And you really believe the oil we take from our earth's crust is infinite? You believe processes which took naturally hundreds of thousands of years occur quicker now?
It's real but the causes are fake. Cities and browns are the cause not your car or the cows.
>>540079075I'm not a believer in human caused climate change. But there is one thing I can imagine us doing that would cause it, and that's using mirrors in space to redirect sunlight towards earth.The sun controls the earth's temperature. Beaming more sunlight at the earth would increase the heat.
I used to think it was fake or not human caused but I unironically took a climate change science course in college and this shit is definitely realLike there is no other way to interpret the math
>>540079075Is this the alternate ending to SW: Rogue One?
If the earth really is a globe then it's amazing that we are in this narrow livable temp range for so long. Every day we aren't on fire or frozen in a blessing.
>>540079338>It’s aliens.Add it to the list of euphemisms for jews
It's real but tragedy of the commons so I don't care
>>540079906>so why are people convinced it's not real?I think it's a mix of mental retardation, schizophrenia or schizotypal personality disorder depending on the individual.
>>540079075The climate is constantly changing with or without us. Does eating ze bugs and giving all money to gay communism fix it at all?
>>540079075Climate change is real and cyclical and not bc gay men are quiefing out of their bussies or whatever new gay thing the kikes invent as the cause.
>>540083229why does the climate change?
>>540079906Define "convinced it's not real"?Because how you use it comes off as gaslighting. People can believe in the climate changing and disagree about what to do about it. You don't just get to declare you believe thus you are correct and everyone else is stupid. For example picrel faggot also "believes" in climate change. Does that make him correct and smart and anyone who disagrees with him dumb and wrong?
>>540083411Well for starters the suns output is also non constant and goes up and down in cycles.
>>540083596what does the sun output that changes the planet's climate?
>>540079075If climate change were as big of a problem as they say it is, then the upper class would take it more seriously. That's why I don't buy it. They want the poors to drink from paper straws, have no air conditioner, and ride a bike while they take a private jet to go to the grocery store.It's blown out of proportion 1000x over to keep you in your place, peasants.
>>540083923>what does the sun output that changes the planet's climate?you probably shouldn't participate in this discourse.
>>540083923illiterate faggot and retarded>herr derr how can the sun effect out climate
>>540081235CO2 dipping down to 180ppm is fucking dangerous. If it ever goes under 150ppm life on the planet is fucked because plants no longer grow.
>>540083923Are you being serious with that question? The sun is the primary source of heat in our solar system. When it's output changes it changes the relative heat in the solar system proportionally to the change in output.
>>540081235>increase in temperature, which is factually linked to CO2 concentrationis it?is it really though?
>>540079075Murigays are using their SHARTTA weapons to cook people alive and cause fake glbohomo warming problems, it's affecting GPS too have you notice how fucking dumb navigation is acting these days ?
>>540080985And Oikophobes should be violently culledOikophobia/Endophobia is the hatred of ones own people, culture and, nation. There is no widely recognized term for weaponized migrants hostile to their almost universally Western host nation and people. Xenophobia is quite literally the closest, but is in the same breath stated as antithetical to it's own definition because "immigrants are the recipients of xenophobia immigrating to a culture they are openly hostile towards isn't even recognized as a phenomenon". I.E. non western people can't be racist thus it and weaponized migration don't exist and if it did we deserve it for colonialism. Exotophobia is a phobia of foreign countries, also known as gentemophobia or patriamophobia. Sufferers fear all countries, including people from them, apart from their own native country. Barely even searchable as terms and is/are completely unrecognized in immigration dialog. This is how we loose. Fucking Orwell talked about it. Controlling the scope of dialog and the vocabulary to describe the problem with. The very concept of mass immigration Oikos (Ancient Greek: οἶκος) primarily defines the household or extended family in ancient Greece, encompassing not just kin but also slaves and property, serving as the fundamental social, political, and economic unit of society. Also both sides of your argument are retarded. See the ice ages occurred. If people can't understand that they are too stupid to be involved in the argument. If climate change exploiters can't accept that the climate changes with or without us and they need to justify their arguments with more than "the weather changed give me all the money and power" Fucking kill them they are communist totalitarian agitators in green hats.
>>540084605They likely coincide. I would argue that they are not the only factors interacting by a longshot.
>>540084605The greenhouse effect is not based on climate models or political opinions. It comes from laboratory spectroscopy and basic thermodynamics.CO2 absorbs infrared radiation at specific wavelengths. Earth absorbs sunlight, warms up, and emits infrared radiation back toward space. Without greenhouse gases, much of that heat would escape directly into space. CO2 absorbs part of this outgoing radiation and re-emits it in all directions. The result is that the altitude from which Earth effectively radiates heat to space moves higher into the atmosphere, where it is colder. Because colder objects radiate less energy, the surface and lower atmosphere must warm until the incoming solar energy once again balances the outgoing infrared energy.>but but CO2 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere, so it can't matter.That reasoning doesn't work. Concentration alone tells you nothing about effectiveness. Ozone makes up only a few parts per million of the atmosphere, yet it blocks most harmful UV radiation. Tiny amounts of impurities can dramatically change the properties of materials. What matters is whether a molecule interacts with radiation, not how abundant it is.>Energy in = Energy out results in stable temperatureAfter CO2Energy in > Energy out resulting in heat accumulating
>>540085258Imagien you gain your entire worldview not on actually understanding thermodynamics and higher mathematics yourself, but memes you found on the internet, which were created by the same people that you would laugh at on the street. I cannot fathom the level of trust people out into the internet, 4chan, instagram, tiktok, youtube and so on. Believing everything here is written in goodwill
>>54007940530 billion tons is nothing to the planet.
>>540079075if it's real, you have to shut down human progress and live like communists in a backwards pre-industrial civilization. if it's fake, you don't.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mptNDINqYnQ&ra=m
>>540085512>source: my ass
>>540085549If it was real they would be going after the polluters and not the people with money to tax.
>>540079282give it two more weeks time everything is possible
>>540085549>>540085935>Schizophrenic Video as source Op asked at the beginning why people are not believing in climate change. Well what have we accumulated so far in this thread? Bots, Schizophrenics and straight up Retards.Not (one) person managed to formulate an actual argument to underline his dumb climate denier fundament. >Let's pollute the rivers, the air we breath and increase capital output through plastic products! This is definetly the better way for everyone to live.
>>540079075Climate change has always been real since Earth exists but never had man any significant impact on it.Just 5% of the CO2 in the atmosphere has been emitted by humans, 95% is natural. And there are still other causes for climate change.
>>540085932Air pollution is a problem, but PM10 and PM2.5 don't equal CO2 output and are local problems (city wide, not nation wide or globally). Look at CO2 concentration per capita and come back
>>540083029>Bong anon... Every large celestial object being more or less spherical has nothing to do with the temperature range we exist in. How does your flat earth retardation even change the argument other than completely discrediting yourself and poisoning the argument well with your retardation?
>>540086289I'm not and have never argued against climate change being a threat. I've been stating that most climate change alarmists and regulators are fucking globalist grifters that want to fearmonger climate change like covid commissars while not fixing anything other than the problem of western civilization and white people still existing..
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>>540086408Well either everything is le so randum because we're a ball flying around in space, or we're on a flat realm where things like temperature are decided for us.
>>540079906>so why are people convinced it's not real?Good question.I think it's really about the structure of right wing politics and how people cope with cognitive dissonance with denial.If you're a nationalist, you believe in your own national sovereignty, and you're hostile to anything that puts limits on what, say, the USA can do in the world.Global warming and CO2 emissions are, obviously, a global problem. No single country can stop it. If you admit that this is a crisis and we have to do something, you have to admit your own country has to worry about the rest of the world and cooperate with other countries to fix the problem. That means signing up to international laws and limiting your own industry. Fixing emissions means putting really strict limits on what countries are allowed to do! It means we need a world governing body that's more powerful than any country.It's no wonder that nationalists' minds just shut down when they see the implications of limiting emissions. They prefer to deny it's a problem because for right wingers the state is all powerful. The idea of a world government which gives foreigners power over their country is just abhorrent. So they resolve that uncomfortable feeling by denying global warming is a problem. Otherwise, they'd have to admit their enemies on the left, were actually correct about something.It's stupid, but it's human nature.
>>540086181That's a flat out lie.Carbon dioxide was 280ppm in the 19th century. It's 432 ppm now. We've contributed half.
>>540079282>first world countries in EuropeWhere?
>>540086172>Let's pollute the rivers, the air we breath and increase capital output through plastic products! This is definetly the better way for everyone to live.You don't have to tell everyone the earth is going to be hellishly hot or cold as Eskimo pussy, to not do those things.
>AmerichadsFake and gay>Yuropoorsgubbermint say real, so grug say real
>>540079075my state had 3 weeks of cold weather instead of winter this year. and it's basically been constant 90+ since febuary. it is 105 degrees right now. you only have to open your eyes to figure it out for yourself
>>540087091>the rod will strike the ring
>>540087688And next year it will be cold as fuck and you'll be saying it's because we arn't putting our cardboard and plastic in separate bins
>>540079282Wrong environment to go desert. Let me know when you remember what savanna is.
>>540079075Depends how you define it. The planet is always slowly undergoing something over enough time.If you mean that everyone's burning to death due to cars, no, that's idiotic.
>>540087803be specific now. why do you think this trend isn't going to continue?
>>540087835What do you think happens if we double atmospheric CO2?It's not made up that this molecule is an absolutely excellent heat absorber and the more of it we have in the atmosphere, the fewer wavelengths can radiate into space from ground level (where it's, you know, hot). We are literally choking our ability to radiate heat away.
>>540088235Because I have seen hot summers and shit summers, cold winters and meh its fine winters. The seasons have never been something to set your watch to.
>>540088343Plants grow more and we have more food?
>>540088343>It's not made up, but every data point is a lie and every prediction never occurs>A bit over 50 years ago we were convinced this would cloud out the sun and usher the Earth into a new Ice Age>And then we moved from Ice Age, to Global Warming, to Climate Change so that ALL outcomes, hot, cold, wet, dry, average, and nothing ALL reinforce the "reality" of this nebulous Climate Change
>>540088539Food crops need cool conditions to germinate and rainfall to grow. We're looking at food shortages this year already.>>540088596This is made up, we've known about global warming since the 19th century. The predictions of global warming actually haven't been too accurate, they've been severe underestimations of what really happened.
>>540085317>the greenhouse effect and runaway climate changeany day now
>>540085258The little ice age and the medieval warming period didn't happenJust consult the hockey stick graph that was adopted by climate crazies but never shows the sources that he used to create it.
>>540079075Pole shift is real. Most of what you have been told was to redirect manufacturing to china.
>>540087803Why don't you admit the reason you're in denial about the fucking obvious point that global temperatures are spinning out of control is that you're a stupid rightwing cunt who'd rather cut your own leg off than admit the environmentalists and the left actually got this one right.Look, I'm kind of rightwing in some ways, but wake up and smell the coffee on this one. In my view the reason we've got so much of a problem is the whole left anti nuclear activism in the 70s and 80s.
>>540088744its 40*c today helpthe it is summer and hot and plants need cool conditions in spring when its not hot to germinate but it is 400 degrees today and won't someone think of the germinating seeds in 6 months time
>>540088343I never understood this grift if the barrier is blocking rays from leaving then it would also block rays from entering. Its all a fugayzi if this shit was a serious problem we wouldnt be sourcing oil from 3rd world monkeys who are going to pollute and have filthy infrastructure. Then we ship it across the globe, very CO2 efficient .
>>540088744So why did the dinosaurs be eating so good?
>>540088907i knowlets stop everything that emits c02 even people in the westthere that will fix the state of the planet kekbetween you and german fag i feel like i have taken a timewarp back to the 90's and am reliving the climate propaganda back thenshit i know what will fix itimporting 200,000 3rd worlders every yearthats the ticketfuckwitsNOTHING short of a massive population collapse will see a fix to the issues we face
>>540088914Oivey these hot temps greenhouse gassed my 6 million crops
>>540079075it’s real and hopefully it gets worse
>>540088907The underlying reason is that gov lie to us about literally everything so why not about this. I've had climate change shit shoved down my throat for 37 years. This is the thing that all govs agree on as well as white genocide.
>>540088960> if the barrier is blocking rays from leaving then it would also block rays from entering.It doesn't stop heat from leaving, it stops heat leaving from ground level.In the wavelengths that CO2 traps, we radiate heat out from a much higher altitude, where it's colder. That means the earth has to warm up to keep energy in equal to energy out. Just like if you put a blanket over the earth.>Its all a fugayzi if this shit was a serious problem we wouldnt be sourcing oil from 3rd world monkeys who are going to pollute and have filthy infrastructure. Then we ship it across the globe, very CO2 efficient .Shipping is very energy efficient, but there's mostly no alternative to oil we're politically willing to take. I mean I agree we aren't taking the problem seriously enough?>>540089022The dinosaurs existed for a billion years, but not in conditions humans would be able to live in. Good luck eating dino plants.
>>540088907>>540089119For me, as a kid I was taught it was a scientific fact that the entire Florida penninsula would be submrged by 2010And schools and "experts" have only ramped up failed predictions since
>>540089123>The dinosaurs existed for a billion years, but not in conditions humans would be able to live in. Good luck eating dino plants.More/bigger plants, more/bigger animals for us to eat. Sounds good.
>>540089077>lets stop everything that emits c02 even people in the west>there that will fix the state of the planet kekI agree with that though?We should actually give the world 12 months to adapt and then shut down every single fossil fuel. Crash build a fucking shit load of nuclear power everywhere like a war effort and then cut the oil off. Otherwise everything is going to get worse and worse.>importing 200,000 3rd worlders every yearWhy are retarded right wingers so obsessed with a few browns?
>>540089195OK, just wait 100 million years, I'm sure some will adapt.
>>540079405the funny part is that you think that thats a lot in the context of what the earth farts out annually. it is not even close.>>540085853go look up what one (1) volcano spits out in an avg eruption. between all of them annually? youre looking at up to a half a GIGAton. meaning, overall, the human contribution is a very very small fraction of a % of the total per year.so i think at the very least we can safely rule out western domestic gas consumption (not the least of which because all civilized cunts have strict emissions standards for everything) as a major factor in "moving the needle" in one direction or anotherthe only serious and pressing issue in regards to modern humans and the earth environmentally is, and has always been, the fact that the turdworld spits out an insane amounts of shitty industrial/chemical waste and pollution and trash (and shitty ppl, but thats its own issue in and of itself).
>>540089375You think we'll back to dino temps that quickly huh
it's fake
>>540089403>the funny part is that you think that thats a lot in the context of what the earth farts out annually. it is not even close.Yes it is you fucking retard. Do you even have any basic sense of number and scale?Humans put out 30 gigatons of CO2 a year. That absolutely dwarfs anything nature can produce. We are burning millions of years worth of ancient fossil plants every year, year on year.It makes sense too, think about how many fucking cities and factories we have. That's a hell of lot bigger than a volcano.
>>540079075It's real because the physics behind the greenhouse effect is inescapable. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, so increasing it's concentration in the atmosphere will inevitably warm the planet. The only thing that's up for debate is what the consequences look like and how soon they reveal themselves.
>>540089526I'm more worried about how much oil the world consumes every day yet we still haven't run out. Look it up, it's insane. How do we still have hundreds of years of it left?
>>540079075Real and anthropogenic. Vast swathes of the Gulf Coast wouldn't be basically uninsurable if it wasn't real.
>>540085317But how much does a few ppm +/- change the efficiency of CO2 absorbing said radiation? You're talking a very small % of change in something that already has a very small effect.
>>540089690>Vast swathes of the Gulf Coast wouldn't be basically uninsurable if it wasn't real.This, of course, has nothing to do with Hurricanes. But I guess man invented hurricanes after the 1950s or so.
>>540089837We've doubled CO2, that's not "a few" ppm, it's 200-300 ppm increase, 100% increase.Yes, the effect of doubling CO2 on global warming is not very big in absolute terms. You're going from 298K to 300 or 301K. About a 1 percent change in temperature. But that's still big enough to make life really difficult for industrial civilisations that depend on food crops and predictable weather.
>>540089837No one knows the exact number because the feedbacks are too complicated, but current thinking is that if you double CO2 from 300 to 600ppm, then the lower atmosphere warms up by 3 or 4°C. May not sound much but that's enough to kill the ice sheets in Greenland and West Antarctica.
>>540079075it's real, we are pumping unbelievable amounts of co2 in the atmosphere and we've been doing it for nearly 200 years , look at flightradar or marine traffic and see just how many planes or boats are out there daily, every plane is 23 tonnes of CO2,
>>540090216most =ships average between 30 to 70 tonnes of co2 per day
>>540088502>muh anecdotal evidenceyou sound more than a lil desperate to convince yourself it's nothing serious
>>540089119Do you think space is real? Flat earther too?
>>540090591Ah the "flat earth" argument, for when you've got nothing of merit to reply, so you need to start attacking the opponent.Remind me why the climate cult regularly flies fleets of private jets to hedonistic summits, why do these holy prophets of our doom not try to minimize their own carbon footprints?They live greedy mass polluting lives of excess and waste.Why does my governor tell me I can't use my AC while he's wearing a turtleneck indoors because his is cranked to the max?Why do the wealthy elite who espouse the horrors of climate change never actually share in the sacrifices they demand of others?Surely if they were honest or believed their own claims, they would contribute in some tangible capacity?
>>540089123>In the wavelengths that CO2 traps, we radiate heat out from a much higher altitude, where it's colder. That means the earth has to warm up to keep energy in equal to energy out. Just like if you put a blanket over the earth.I'm not understanding that last part. Why does the surface heat up to maintain an energy equilibrium? And how precisely does it heat up relative to lower carbon concentrations? What makes the wavelengths absorbed by CO2 different than those absorbed by common nitrogen or oxygen compounds?
>>540092244>Why does the surface heat up to maintain an energy equilibrium?Because the earth absorbs energy from the sun and radiates it out again. If the part of the atmosphere that the earth is radiating into space from gets cooler, then the earth will heat up and warm the atmosphere until the top of the atmosphere is at equilibrium with the sunlight again.>What makes the wavelengths absorbed by CO2 different than those absorbed by common nitrogen or oxygen compounds?Oxygen and nitrogen don't absorb infrared. CO2 and water do. That's because the atoms in these molecules can stretch and vibrate in ways that coincide with the energy of heat radiation.
The sun will go apeshit one day and wreck the earth's shit, the surface is gonna have a bad time, if you can't hide under water for a long period of time or if you can't fit into a cave you're probably not gonna make it.
>>540079075It's real, but What it is is a more pertinent question.Basically it's a way for corporations to launder money and fund themselves through Green Credits and other climate programs, avoid taxes, and still manage to avoid confronting the policies they have that have done this in the first place.Jewish Businessman Stewart Resnik is a great example, he owns 20%+ of California's Water Supply through the Wonderful Company and other shell companies/affiliates. They sunk all of that water underground at cut it off from the Water cycle where it can't evaporate, or used it for Fiji Water and Almonds. Less water in the cycle means worse droughts.Research the two thing Resnik donates to, it's Climate Change and Israel.
>>540087276Anon you can physically observe other planetary bodies in our solar system with conventional telescopes including the ISS and now the temu CSS
>>540093085bro why are you comparing the temperature millions of years ago to today? humans weren't even around for 99% of this timeframe. fucking retard.
>>540093107NTA nor am I am flat earth guy, but that doesn't prove or disprove anything, satellites could operate in a different way, and planets could be more than what they appear.I'm personally a hollow earth guy, hidden things underground, or maybe more continenta beyond the ice wall, not because I really give a fuck, but that seems way cooler than us being trapped on a globe and never being able to survive in space no matter what inventionms they come up with
>>540079075Plant some fucking trees and you'll be fine.Dickheads.
>>540093449Idiot. You'd need to plant 3 trillion trees every year just to absorb the new CO2 we're putting into the atmosphere. Land area wise, that's 3 North Americas of trees. Every year.Why are right wingers such scientifically illiterate mouthbreathers?
>>540079075It's fake. All projections ever made have been retracted and keeps getting reduced more and more as time goes on and it becomes more obvious that human caused global warming is not realistically possible.This is not to say global warming isn't happening. We are currently still living in an ice age and we are in the steep rise part of the ice age where we will return to the temperatures that our ancestors evolved in. We've even found human tribal settlements underneath glaciers and in high up frozen mountain tops.The remaining projections often cite global water levels being the most destructive effect. The problem is that ocean level will only increase about 1-2 foot every 100 years. This kind of rate of change is insignificant to humans because none of our structures actually last long enough to ever be impacted by this. Any structured that are refurbished over the course of thousands of years can be altered or have various buffers/dyke installed to handle it.Humans are getting profoundly better at handling ocean levels. Look at the Netherland, 1/4 of the country is below the sea levels because of the dykes and pumps they built centuries ago.Furthermore, humans have lived in dramatically hotter climates in our evolutionary history, when Britain used to be like California, with massive grape fields. Higher global temperatures means more and better food sources, it means easier living, more time to build, more time to enjoy life, more fresh water, more lush green landscapes, plentiful seafood. It will be like living in a global garden.
>>540092403>If the part of the atmosphere that the earth is radiating into space from gets cooler, then the earth will heat up and warm the atmosphere until the top of the atmosphere is at equilibrium with the sunlight again.You're describing altitude and pressure as a temperature and it's throwing me off. How can your theory explain why the troposphere cools with altitude but the stratosphere warms? Where exactly is the equilibrium?>Oxygen and nitrogen don't absorb infrared. CO2 and water do. That's because the atoms in these molecules can stretch and vibrate in ways that coincide with the energy of heat radiation.That wasn't the question I was asking. What's special about the wavelengths that CO2 absorbs? All molecules absorb light, so why is so much importance put on CO2 when the primary band of light it absorbs and releases generates less energy per cubic metre (i.e. temperature) than the average day in antarctica?
>>540088907I think there are two ways of seeing it, we could accept our new reality and get everyone on air conditioners on Earth as much as possible. Summers in the UK now average 120f 50c.Or we need USA/Europe unite and massively change how we consume products and greatly lower fumes.We may already be at the point where its too late we either die off or we have to do some things that are only written about in paperback sci-fi novels to survive. Possibly nuclear weapons in the Sahara and hope the sand covers the entire planet to lower temps by blocking light but also lowering the amount of light. Or some such insane moves.Anyway Americans all mock you guys because they are all in A/C.
