>The Soviet Union's economy failed because the economy had to be planned literally on sheets of paper in Moscow, based on dubious and out of date data on other sheets of paper delivered from outlying regions.>Despite this it economically outgrew the west for most of it's history before becoming too complex to manage by hand>The internet now exists>AI now exists (I'm not talking about meme chatbots) and is already used even by militaries in warfare and logistic planning.>Planning and data logging tech that even the most utopian Soviet planners in the 70s could not have dreamed of.Explain why a centrally planned socialist economy would not excel today?
>>540095026Because USA prints world reserve currency.
>>540095241May not be for long.
>>540095241Fair point, but it's on the way out of monopoly status on world trade this century.
>>540095026>Explain why a centrally planned socialist economy would not excel today?because there is no profit motiveeverything would become inefficient and more expensive as a result
Forgot to mention: Central asia was such a corrupt shithole that the Soviet government were launching spy sats into orbit to spy on their own central asian republics, because local officials would lie about figures and the central government had no way of checking until it was too late without the internet.
>>540095327Depends. Maybe if elite around the world close all their USD accounts which they probably won't.
>>540095327Let's assume that you are right. Does it matter? The nation is not the weapon. Even if US decline accelerates rapidly, the world reserve currency simply gets replaced and still controlled by the same corporate lobbyists that control it now.
>>540095413you as a worker can make profit by working. In the Soviet Union you got paid for the amount of hours you worked, and got bonuses based on above average output. That's as clear a profit motive as you can get.Rent extraction is another thing. It is inefficient and is strangling the modern economy to death.
It never worked because bad workers got more resources and good workers got more workt. old ass bulgarian
>>540095456I hate to be that guy, but do you have a source for this? I ask because the story seems to make no sense. You cannot verify the tonnage of the ore or the wheat by satellite.
>>540095026Holy fucking retard. The soviet economy failed because central planning doesn't work due to the lack of price signals and the naturally decentralized information of the economy, not because they were relying on "dubious and out of date data " because the actual premise itself is wrong and not the data.
>>540095413This brings to mind the prospect of gaming the system to maximize profit, as was a problem in the Soviet Union. You might say that it would become more difficult with a more competent central planner, but then you should also consider that people would have access to that same technology to aid them in in this.
>>540095460I don't expect a collapse. Just that it will lose monopoly status after a confrontation with China over Taiwan. It will still be the currency of international trade for much of the world even in the worst outcome of a war over Taiwan. Point is there is potential that a country under embargo by America may have slightly more breathing room.>>540095538Fair point. China, despite being ruled by an alleged communist party, is already becoming captured by the growing power of it's own financial elite. By 2050 they may not even put up a convincing larp as communist anymore.
>>540095752>becoming captured by the growing power of it's own financial eliteThis is what happened in the CCCP too, just happened messier. It's the problem with Leninism. The "revolutionary vanguard of the party" becomes the ruling class, and naturally takes on the habits of a ruling class.
>>540095026Isn't there a big country called China or some shied that already does this?
>>540095598I heard a story from a guy who grew up in eastern Europe in those days, who used to live in a farming community.Literally half of the produce wasn't reported and was sold straight to the black marketThe local cops, politicians, journalists all turned a blind eye, because they were paid off by the farmers.I assume this was going on in all communist countries. Everybody was lying to the government.
>>540095598you can measure crop yield by satellite, the whole world does it today and the Soviets were pioneers in this regard. It's part of why Soyuz is still the most launched rocket ever despite Falcon 9 achieving crazy launch numbers in recent years.
>>540096101>you can measure crop yield by satellite, the whole world does it todayWell shit, I never knew. How the fuck do they do that?
I would pay $100 to this snowbunny take BBC.
>>540095026This has little to do with socialism specifically. It's just an innate obstacle any authoritarian structure has to climb. Either way, yes modern tech unlocks insane levels of control and there's nothing to suggest that it would be impossible. The important question to me is if it can compete with a different structure utilizing the same technology in other ways.>>540095752>they may not even put up a convincing larp as communistIt's not convincing even today unless your inspection ends with reading their title. It's better to view communism as a goal that can never be reached; something the people can aim at while they toil (bear in mind they were consciously replacing religion and with it all concepts of heaven or hell). The goal is to keep people suspended in socialism(maximal government) while chasing the carrot, most communists don't realize this.
>>540095026the soviet economy only survived because the U.S. was buying titanium shovels for 'farming' at obscene prices from them. When in reality we made the SR71 Blackbird
>>540095026workers don't have enough power, the left's been crushedso instead we get big tech oligopolies doing the central planning
US has file cabinets full of papers in a cave that Large Marge has to sort so public employees can retire. Technology to make bureaucracy obsolete overnight.
>>540095026fun fact, france's debt:gdp is worse than the soviet union when they collapsed
>>540095026>Explain why a centrally planned socialist economy would not excelNIGGERSMEXICANSPAJEETS
>>540095026read i, pencil. its impossible for humans to predict and manage anything
>>540099307100%>>540099204They were too dependent on mineral and fuel exports, this is true.>>540098905>It's not convincing even todayThe party line is that they are in the primary stage of socialism, developing the means of production so that they can achieve hyper abundance. Basically the capitalist pipe dream, except they would transition to common ownership rather than letting oligarchs consume all the fruits of the hyper abundance. What I mean is that the larp will be less convincing if and when they reach a crisis of capitalism in China, and instead of using it as an excuse to nationalise they instead do government austerity and sell the state to the finance oligarchs as we in the west have done.
>be agrarian country of illiterate peasants plowing fields by hand>your land is violently seized and you are told you now work a factory>GDP goes upah yes, and russians are well known for being honest and truth worthy too so yes bring back soviet style economy yes!Except you're ignoring the fact that china did the exact same thing but succeeded were the USSR failed because they intentionally abandoned soviet practices.After Mao ShitDong died like a retarded faggot after subverting himself like a retard the Chinese hero Deng Xiaoping threw that soviet nigger shit into the trash and made critical actions that saved china.The first thing he did was admit he didn't know shit about real economics, only pretend playtime soviet tranny shit. So they took on numerous western economic advisers and did several tests and very strategic testing to introduce capitalism with a chinese socialist twist. Btw these westerners realized chinese people were so economically illiterate they had rewrite all of the economic literature for the chinese to teach in their universities. Of course they didn't do everything that those greedy jews said was le good for gpd.They allowed farmers and factories to sell excess goods at market prices. They created economic zones like Shenzhen to allow foreign investment. They adapted their manufacturing to produce more diverse consumer goods especially in technology (this is literally why we hate them btw). Used darwinism to make extremely effective private enterprises (no bail outs). These all happened within the chinese communist party so it make china look strong and stable while also being innovative.Deng really fucked up with the one child policy though, and they built way too much real estate, a lot shitty real estate too if you're outside a massive economic zone like beijing.Try reading a book tranny, I don't I just watch youtube videos do that instead too, you seem very retarded.
>>540095026The soviets went from a backwards nation to a super power in decades.communism is brutal in implementation, but it does work
>>540099358I think it was them trying to cover up Chernobyl that ended it. The people lost all faith in the government.We're pretty close
>>540095026the root cause was russians being retards, same issue today
>>540100197USSR went right until everything went wrong. Rewards for productivity became a mechanism for cheating that resulted in starvation and decline. The merit was gone and caused the collapse. Maybe round 2 may be different, but we all know how man's nature ruins society when everyone gets too comfy to care.
>>540095026>Explain why a centrally planned socialist economy would not excel today?supply and demand exists on it's own you retarded spastic it does not give aflying fuck about ideology, it just is, don't get in the fucking way
>>540099976I understand what their stance is, i'm saying that the transition to common ownership can never occur because it implies a hard reduction or elimination of authority which is not something power structures decide to do on their own.What would be the every day differences between a socialist state owned by the government and a feudal one owned by a conglomerate? When it comes to maintaining power, they have the same tasks and the same number of people holding them accountable.
>>540100277>USSR went rightwas that when stalin murdered millions of innocent people in gulags or when they banned 1984?you fucking twat
>>540095026Hayek already explained it a 70 years ago.
>>540095026its impossible for a government to manage state owned enterprises that are competitive globally. business is a survival of the fittest thing and a government cannot simply manage the complexity of a complex economy themselves while remaining competitive globally.
>>540095026So we’re going to just forget about all the apocalyptic famines you jews caused?
>>540095413>everything would become inefficient and more expensive as a resultKinda like our current enshittified system?
>>540095026>centrally planned socialist economy would not excel today?you are already in a deep sea trench of one already you imbecile, did you miss 1850-1950?
>>540095026The Soviet Union failed because they spent to much resources on exporting their ideology throughout the world. The west repeated this mistake and is now loosing to states that don't care about exporting ideology.
>>540095026Capitalist economies are planned and managed. They are history's most complex societies and the complex of government, banks, and industry collectively work to manage it towards growth through various controls. Central planning, as in authoritarianism where the state simply instructs the economy what to do, can only work in a pre-industrial society like Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba were when they adapted communism. As soon as they industrialized, they had to "liberalize" AKA adapt to the capitalist system while coping that they're still communist. And then failing even at that as the Soviet Union did.
Btw Russia never recovered from how retarded the soviet economy was until russian jews sacrificed 1000 christian babies on an altar for satan to give them oil and gas resources to become a petrodollar economy. Now they are a glorified gas station which is why big dick biden did a biden blast on their gas line with nothing but his own massive american dick.All the fry oil and fat we eat go straight to our cock and balls making them massive, this is true, we have to circumsize ourselves or else the skin will just burst in half bacause of our huge american dicks. It's true. Go ahead ask any american.Anyways with the war I don't even know if russia will exist in 10 years if not for how utterly brainwashed by soviet era authoritarianism they all were.
>>540100197you're retarded, the minds that created russias best tech were leftover from imperial russias victory over napoleon. the second they died out the country rolled over and died while we embalmed it with potato chips
>>540095598There was cotton case in 70-80s. Natives mafia literally became kangz or even khangs with nepotism and personal harems but spy sattelite is a fairytale. There is only one space launch place in Baikonur and local elite are too dumb to involve in rocket science.The famous case is Usmanov's case who's now one of the richest oligarchs and sued Navalny who blamed him for raping underage thots
>>540095026Only way to give your theory some backing is to apply the same logic to democracy. Only reason we have ballots, election days, and representatives is because the technology of the time did not allow real-time voting on imminent issues rhat could be completed in less than 20 minutes using the internet.First get a real time democracy and prove that it can work, then your planned economy can follow.
>>540095026What will you do when the communist AI requires you to go work in a bauxite mine for the next 20 years? Will you smile and nod and say "anything for the greater good"? Or will it be a gulag and you wont be allowed to leave?
>>540100197>agrarian shithole becomes violently industrialized>gdp go upah yes, brilliant
I really want an answer. What will you do when central planner decides your fate is to shovel pig shit or haul rubble?
>>540100800central planing does not mean you can't switch jobs.
>>540095026A Soviet economist was awarded the Nobel for proving this possible.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Kantorovich
>>540100863central planning means you do what you're told
>>540100863You are a fucking idiot. The USSR enslaved millions woth forced labor and sent millions of more to factory and labor towns which were isolated single industry locations. Tens of millions lived and died at the whim of central planners.Communists must be killed. We cannot allow you to fuck with our civilization ever again. I promise you I will take up arms and personally kill communists like you to protect the future of my family and my nation.I will kill you if you try to plunge the world into central planning slavery. You are evil for even considering it.
>>540100761They were actually industrializing fairly quickly prior to the Soviet takeover anyways, they were 4th in the world for steel production in the early teens. On top of this, after the revolution we sent our engineers over to help them build their factories. So they can't even really take credit for that.
>>540095567explain how that's different than the current system. lazy money lenders own mostly everything from doing nothing.
>>540095026thisits always some cunt beholden to their bottom line who disputes me when I ask this question
>>540100463The highest IQ take is that all systems eventually go to shit. Just like how you can't balance a TCG because sweats solve the current meta, all systems eventually get "solved" and exploited and then rip themselves apart until they cease functioning.That's why wasting time on governmental theory is a pitfall, thing always boil down to fat sweaty OTK net-deckings faggots and the only solution is to abandon the game.
>>540095026>Despite this it economically outgrew the westAre commies really this deluded? Let me guess, all their wealth magically vanished when the iron curtain fell
>>540100967What's your point?He's saying it doesn't work and instead of refuting you're highlighting a different system.
>>540095413Profit motive has only made things worse in the western world.
>>540095026we're technologically capable of enacting perfect communism.Can you imagine using the benefits of automation and computerization for the benefit of the people instead of billionaires?We're so close to a golden age, we just have to kill all the billionaires and politicians and judges first.
>>540101451and kill everyone that doesn't want communism, then kill everyone that doesn't subscribe to exactly the type of communism you want, and then everybody is deadall communism tards are tarded
>>540101451>We just have to murder people and utopia will be ours!Fucking retard.
>>540101528>>540101546World's a bit overpopulated yeaalot of people are going to have to die one way or another. Might as well structure it in a positive way we can benefit from instead of letting all the whites get replaced by brown hordes.Go fuck yourselves nigger faggots. You'll never be a woman.Capitalism is broken and you're getting an authoritarian regime either way. Might as well be one where we're all treated as equals instead of a few Jews getting to live lives of luxury while we toil for scraps.You can stop fighting against your own self interests protecting the billionaires rights to exploit you for their personal gain while you own nothing and be happy, and get to live in the aftermath.Or you can fight it and die with the billionaires.
>>540100277most of the starvation was from listening to a retard who didn't understand how genetics workshe thought crops could adapt to climates that they weren't suited fornever listen to scientistsfarmers know how to farm
>>540101546we don't have to murder themthey can live like the rest of us
>>540095026The only thing you really need to excel as an economy is control of key resources through military strength. If a socialist economy could somehow do that then I don’t see why it couldn’t work, but good luck doing that with no western allies and the CIA organizing coups in your government.
>>540101676>you're getting an authoritarian regime either wayI know. Shouldn't have fucked with my vidya.
>>540101451That's like saying we're technologically capable of making a patriarchal state with only females. The highest form of communism is self refuting.>no propertyk>no moneyk>no stateeverything else falls apart. It's an impossible balancing act that requires absolute faith and zero questions, just like religion.
>>540095026Explain why a centrally planned socialist economy would not excel today?Jews have that hidden within our capitalistic society
>>540101841russia hasn't made a new airplane since the 70s you dingbat>but my mig29 sukhoi 30mikoyan and sukhoi are dead
>>540101870Our entire financial system is already based entirely on belief. Belief in the American Governments ability to repay its debts, despite tons of evidence that we wont be able to repay it, and yet everything just keeps trucking along.We can utilize all these new data centers to be AI hubs that track, coordinate, and manage resource monitoring and utilization. We have cameras that can measure production. We have data on what ever consumer wants and how often they want it. We have all the information we need and the ability to parse it effectively and accurately with AI.We're getting a surveillance state either way, but right now its just the people at the top using it to abuse you instead of its being used to safeguard the non-exploitation of the people.It's happening right now, and you know this. Now the only question is do we use it for our benefit or let them use it for theirs at our expense?
>>540102055>Now the only question is do we usea circular saw or die
>>540102096ignore the rest, sure. I know its hard considering you've been brainwashed since elementary school to be against it. It's hard to break out of your programming.But its OK, go watch fox news or cnn or facebook and get informed and stuff.
>>540095026Because it is an institution run by men. And men are corrupt as fuck. Would you really trust anyone to direct and steer your life with technology that you have zero access to?I like being able to go to my local fast food stall and order a hamburger, anon. I certainly would never comply with being told that I am limited to what food I can access by any means other than financial.If you want to live like the soviets did, quit your job and get on welfare. Our food stamp program is a reflection of that system, albeit with a few more freedoms than they had. Namely, the ability to select the foods you want to blow your monthly stipend on instead of being forced to accept a handful of necessities.
>>540095026there was a project of a complex system to manage soviet economy but it was disbanded by the party (because it would get rid of most bureaucrats
>>540102055classic>what about other systemLie, deflect, ignore. That's your entire toolkit. All you accomplish is making yourself look stupid.It's better to view communism as a goal that can never be reached; something the people can aim at while they toil (bear in mind they were consciously replacing religion and with it all concepts of heaven or hell). The goal is to keep people suspended in socialism(maximal government) while chasing the carrot, most communists don't realize this.All authoritarian structures are inherently exploitative. The heads of state are revered and live like kings. You want to change the syntax because you're poor and bored.For it to be used for our benefit the threat of violence needs to be present. Another catch 22. >people need to hold the state responsible>the state needs absolute control to make sure the people don't oppose them
>>540102338https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUig0Qwnc4I
Violence is already happening, and the only reason it'll be necessary is because retards like you refuse to acknowledge that we are technologically capable of enacting perfect communism right now.The longer you refuse to accept this, the more violent the revolution will have to be.
>>540101365>it doesn't work>ChinaI'm sure that's not whatever ism to you since you're a goy brained retard and invested in fake jewish debt tokens over any sensible economic system, but again it is a valid question. the current system removes value and distributes it to a small cadre of financial elites. your defense? your 401k?
>>540102476Fucking coward, look at you.>we are technologically capable of enacting perfect communism right now.already refuted >>540101870>Violence is already happeningThe demand for a threat of violence UNDER communism is the catch 22, but you know that. You're not interested in the truth.
>>540095026>it will work this timeyou have to be trolling
>>540102794you didn't refute it. You just listed an impossible example without explaining how it correlates and that it's being listed is somehow irrefutable evidence of your point. All you've done is highlight you have no real argument and created a string of impossibility to point at the take the place of your lack of argument.You're a retard faggot nigger tranny jew.There is no threat of violence under communism that doesn't already exist under capitalism. In fact there's MORE threat of violence under capitalism because of wealth inequality, which communism would rectify. The Blacks are always killing white people and the reason they claim they do it is because They Poor N shiet. Well, under communism they have a house, get food, get electricity, and only have to go do labor a few hours a week to ensure they get access to their rap music and weed cigarettes and dont have to kill your honkey jew ass for your cell phone.retardNow make another stupid argument again so I can prove you're an idiot out of your depth.
>>540103040>just bail the financial system out again to keep it solvent so we can bail it out again also China you insufferable Eglin faggots. please refute that or tell us how its something different or not winning or some other cope.
>>540102652Should've just led with that instead of deflecting to a different system.>to you By their own admission, China does not currently practice communism. They are where they are for two main reasons:>Western innovation >decades of literal slave labor, often using childrenSure it's a valid question but do you honestly think bureaucracy isn't going to pile up in vanilla socialism? If two systems have the same end flaws, then whichever one outputs tech the fastest is the best because that one will raise the standard of living for the world the fastest as well. There's a very clear answer to that and it isn't China.
>>540103189I didn't even deflect, I said 'how is this worse than a handful of greedy bankers that do nothing but count their own money like a dragon on their hoard taking all the wealth'. Then you had to go on about how CHINA BAD and not real Communism in true Eglin bot fashion. Retardnigger, slavery is still legal and practiced in the US. Not only in prisons (widely) but in the debt bondage of lenders. Unrealistic crippling debts are a form of slavery you fucking retard. But you defend banks because hey you're just a temporarily embarrassed billionaire and if you bootstrap up hard enough you'll get that big house and a pool. You're a twat.
>>540102338>>540102472cheers
>>540103090>you didn't refute itI did but really it refutes itself. Do you need baby steps to understand why you can either have a society without money or property OR a society with a government that withers away? (high communism states all 3)>There is no threat of violence under communism that doesn't already exist under capitalism.you're retarded or disengenuous, likely the latter. I'm obviously talking about the people themselves needing the ability to use violence to enforce the bureaucrats to adhere to their promises. If that's not present, you get mass starvation, child slavery, or other anti human communist plans with no ability to fight back.
>>540103535You make claims without backing them up.I've listed examples, you list nothing.You lose, I win. Communism is enactable and superior to capitalism.If you try to refute my claim I'll just point to where I said I win you lose as the example and justification for my winning and your losing.Good day sir. Sux too because I was hoping for an actual conversation but I just got Nuh Uhs and Nopes
>>540095241yeah because it acts as footsoldiers for the largest oil producer on the planet to back the printed money with
>>540103350>I said 'how is this worse than a handful of greedy bankers that do nothing but count their own money like a dragon on their hoard taking all the wealth'I just responded to this, you ignored it. All communists are clones and intellectual cowards. >If two systems have the same end flaws, then whichever one outputs tech the fastest is the best because that one will raise the standard of living for the world the fastest as well. There's a very clear answer to that and it isn't China.you have no response to this and your whole argument is that a different system has the same flaws.Point is the system you champion is supposed to be better for the people in some way but in enabled serious amounts of child slavery that you try to ignore. Everything about you is hypocritical. Are you even Canadian?
>>540103680you didn't explain shit EglinGPT, like re read your flowery nonsense and tell me what you actually said. just China bad west good. war for petrodollar is a force for good in the world and slavery is more widespread in the US than central Africa, but its 'better' because 'it just is'. you are a tiny little faggot baby who says nothing, because there is no defense of the western system. so you just shift around in the sand.
>>540095026>gives us all your money, goy>it'll work this time, i swear>we're using AI produced by kikes so it's a sure win!fuck y'all are dumb
also remember that I was replying to a Bulgarian ass ripped about Commmunism because some lazy anon might not work hard. are you aware this happens in every social group in nature too? are we supposed to exterminate them or something? there are lazy bees, ants, wolves, lions all not pulling their share. but the unit survives.
>>540103602>back up logical reasoning>you need a source for that logic bro>1+1=2? source?>if you try to use logic again i'll just say blah blah blah and cover my ears!!An 'actual conversation' to a communist is just a monologue where the other side agrees without questioning the premise.I highlight that the core of communism is a catch 22 and you fold into this childlike state
>>540095026Because it would rely on capitalist systems determining prices and indicating scarcity in order to function.
>>540103800this faggots been doing this the whole thread.He spouts nonsense, creates a strawman, then circular reasonings his argument.dude has said nothing substantive, zero evidence, no examples, just bullshit faggotry.He's just keeping the thread going hoping someone smarter than him comes along and makes the argument he can't figure out how to make because he's an idiot who can't think for himself.Dude is a retard faggot
>>540099204>U.S. was buying titanium shovels for 'farming' at obscene pricescompletely fake and gay story
>>540095752The entire argument against taxing the elite too much is that they can close up shop and set up in China instead and leave the US holding the bag.
>>540103800You used China as the example of success.I highlighted that it required child slavery and innovation from other systems.You thought prison labor and debt was a good counter to that.Now we're at the point where you start seething again.I'm not even fond of the current western system, the problem is that your entire argument boils down to >other system also badSo okay, they're both imperfect? One has made far greater strides when it comes to tech that reshapes the world and raises the floor.>because 'it just is'intellectual coward
>>540095026>>Despite this it economically outgrew the west for most of it's history>commies unironically believe that
>>540095598Fun fact: Soveit central Asia republics had FORCED child labor until USSR dissolution, nice communism uwu
>>540096161They don’t, it’s a lie from a kike
We are technologically capable right now to implement perfect communism.We have automation. We have computers. We have AI. We have huge databases. We have internet. We have education systems to train people. All of these advancements we're making in productivity right now could be going to the benefit of the people instead of a handful of billionaires.We can track production, we can monitor resource usage, we can predict excesses and shortages, and we have enough of a labor pool to temporarily utilize between a determined set of ages, like 22-26 year olds doing a 4 year work program to be all and the only work society needs to stay functioning and prosperous with all proceeds going back into the people, instead of the hands of a select few.We are technologically capable of implementing perfect communism RIGHT NOW.
>>540095026>Despite this it economically outgrew the west for most of it's history before becoming too complex to manage by hand Because it was forcing satelite nations to produce against western regulations and standards, making it impossible to profit from selling to the west, forcing the nations to rely on the "sharing system". Which was Soviet Union and its front child Eastern Germany getting everything. The one good thing commies did for economy was pushing women towards labor.
Reformers find it easier to operate in a capitalist society with freedom of speech. Consequently, capitalist societies develop more rapidly.
Too many resources means the retards keep breeding more retards, while the smart ones hold out. You people can't stop fucking eachother and having oopsie babies that aren't gonna invent shit. You also don't stay together like families need to. That's why they're killing us
>>540095026The problem wasnt the speed of the reports ot was their accuracy and the underlying economic theories.Marxist economics are just plainly wrong.I mean that in the sense that the economic theory does not allow you to make accurate predictions.Marxist economics attempts to reject the existence of subjective value and treats all forms of exchange as exploitative.Thr core theory is quite simply, shit.
>>540095289It will be longer than you will be alive
>>540095327Who's gonna replace us?China?Their currency manipulation makes us look like saints.There are no other contenders. So keep seething as you spend my currency.
>>540104569we already live in a socialist system you nimrods. >le communism>le socialismthe usa absorbed that into the fasces the second it came out in 1850, now we have the consequences of boomers everywhere.
>>540095241no, the federal reserve prints the world reserve currency. usa is just a proxy state.
>>540105381>Their currency manipulation makes us look like saints.*Laughs in bond yields*>>540105320Soviet union lasted far longer because people down the chain of command were cheating the system to make it work and keep their people fed. Because it was locally homogeneous ethnic and they loved one another. It will be way more fun in united states' of self hating
>>540095026>Explain why a centrally planned socialist economy would not excel today?If you really pay attention, the world is already pretty much already the way you describe.Sure you, for the moment, still have the freedom to build your small business and spare income to spend somewhat freely, but at the macroscale all the major supply chains and logistics are being controlled by a tiny (((share))) of the population who hold monopolies on virtually all core industries, using and abusing digital tech. Not only that but the government decisions and funding is heavily influenced by this same (((share))) of the population.At least when it comes to nationwide scale, we're already in "socialist" societies in everything but name.
>>540095026>Explain why a centrally planned socialist economy would not excel today?Why can we never have nice things and what ALWAYS happens?
>>540095565>paid for the amount of hours you workedlol you fucking retardwhy would I want my plumber to take as long as possible?fucking IDIOT
>>540101388wrong, moroncommie rats like you did
>>540095241No it doesn't, judea does.
>>540105567The free market system is price signals. Capitalism is generational accumulation of capital by the capitalists. Late stage capitalism where they own every property on the monopoly board and we all work for sam Walton is communism down below. There is no reason to believe the token mechanism survives 9 orders of magnitude
>>540104569How can you implement communism if you don't even have kolkhozes?
>>540095241this doesn't really matter in the ways you think it does. it just means that countries want to save in dollars, and therefore most goods that are for sale in the world are eventually priced in dollars.but there are lots of things produced in the US itself that the US doesn't need some other country to accept dollars to have and lots of things produced in other countries that they can buy with their own currencies.
>>540095026If you are impressed by AI's performance in this war, then you ought be kept far away from any important decision.
>>540095026>Explain why a centrally planned socialist economy would not excel today?Distributed information.
>>540105687>african talking about capitoolismplease don't get on a plane to amerigolem to understand
>>540105848>Distributed information.That's an easy well to poison when you own the means of communication
I have actually discussed this with AI funny enough. Could the USSR have gotten its shit together if it replaced its horrendous bureaucracy of corrupt officials and trash tier office staff with streamlined computerized AI systems to process and plan. The ultimate answer is some things would have improved but ultimately the Soviets had way too many problems that AI could not have fixedIn my opinion the USSR would have likely lasted longer and gotten rid of all the slow inefficient corrupt human administration. That alone would have given the USSR some breathing room but ultimately it would not have mattered
>>540095026its failed because only russians and belarusians produced while all others wer leeches and parasites.
>>540105932>streamlined computerized AI systemsYou axed the wrong question >computerized AI systems with Politburo guardrails You would no doubt been an approved prooompter
>>540105788>kolkhozesdont need it. we have automation. we need one guy who's doing his 4 year work program to ensure his citizenship to monitor and oversee the field and machinery and inspect for productivity.We're so fucking technologically advanced right now, the only thing stopping us from pure throughput utilization is billionaire need to maintain a consumer base to keep their profits.
>>540106004That is like Western AI companies having ADL/AJC guidance guardrails. AI outside of the West are labeled as "dangerous"
>it economically outgrew the westWut. No it didn't.
>>540100463hu?ever been to a supermarkettheyre full and working finecommie supermarkets on the other hand..
