Refute this
>>540103290YOU AREN'T THE BOSS OF ME
Why should I share anything with shitskins?
>>540103290I determine Marx needs a bullet
>>540103290Let me guess, you need more?
>>540103290>give me everything and let me have everythingno
>>540103290I need pussy, drugs, and vidya. My ability to acquire them is questionable. Gibs me dat
>>540103290your needs are not your wants, the party determines what your needs are, and also what your abilities are.
>>540103546Sounds like another fancy way to describe slavery.It is fascinating how Marxists kvetch (often self-righteously) how capitalism doesn't care about people and just turns them into resources from which profit is to be extracted from. I hate capitalism is jewish shit, too, but communism is just the other side of the coin of capitalism. Neither has any loyalty to its people. All about power while giving the illusion of concern for their cog slaves.I want Nationalism. There are other options than capitalism and communism/marxism.
>>540103290Imagine trannies changing tranny fluid.
>>540103290Marx was a disgusting jewish freak
>>540103290we have the technology
>>540103774>complains about capitalism and communism turning people into cogs in a machine rather than individuals>immediately proposes nationalism as an acceptable alternative
>>540103774Good post
>>540103290where does willpower fit into this? what if I have the ability but just dont feel like working? i still have needs that need to be met so pay up so i can eat tenders and play vidya all day.
>>540103871explain why he's wrong. your appeals to triviality is trite>>540103774good post anon, though capitalism isn't jewish, it's every much White European but the current form is indeed jewish
what, you NEED more?
human need will always exceed human abilityindeed, the least able people will have the greatest needs and where do you expect that to lead?
>>540103290I don't owe you shit
>>540103871The thing that frightens jews and Bolsheviks so much about Nationalism is that it worked. Frighteningly so. But then the powers that be decided white people can't be allowed to have governments that value their people.
>>540103290refute it? umm, okthe soviet union, cambodia, the great leap forward and cultural revolution, laos, vietnamevery time people try to fix people problems at the government level, it's a disaster and millions of people die miserably/thread
>>540103911Because nation-states treats people as cogs in a machine instead of individuals? When nation-states emerged you started getting mass conscription and the erasure of local communities.
>>540103983if you pay taxes at all you're making payments towards welfare systems because you do indeed owe people shit.
>>540103290>Brownoids get to decide my needsNo.
>>540103774How would Nationalism work as an economic system?
>>540103290I don't understand what he's trying to say
>>540103290SureI want stuff, as does every other personTransformers and Vidya don’t exist under communism
>>540103290>people who will work should be forced to take care of people who won't marxism summed up
>>540103290it would soon become.>You can do better, goy.>You don't need that much
>>540104071he's a fucking retard and doesn't understand that "facism" is socialism.He wants socialism. He's just too fucking stupid to realize it, but its kind of not his fault because his entire life since grade school he's had billionaire owned institutions screaming SOCIALISM BAD at him.But yea, he's a fucking genius who arrived at the conclusion Socialism bad due to his own genius reasoning, so much so he doesn't even understand Hitlers Facist Germany he says he wants was a SOCIALIST nation.
>>540103290My needs are greater than my ability.
>>540103290Karl Marx was a satanist.
>>540103290I can't, and neither can I refute this
>>540104207nor this
>>540104207>>540104225So remind me again why /pol/ doesn't like him?
>>540103290>be Genghis Khan>Ability: Scourge of God>Need: ConquestMakes sense to me in a circular sort of way
>>540104304What a Chad
>to each according to his needs.But isn't this really nebulous? I mean doesn't everyone "need" a mansion and a car with heated seats? Who decides that?
>>540103290Easy. People lie about their "abilities" to provide for their "needs". People who dont lie about their ability and make use of their ability get taxed to provide for liars.Would be better as "from each according to his means to each according to his capacity".
>>540103290No. There, you can fuck off now.
>>540103290>ayyo gibsmedat!
>>540103290>gimmie dem shekels, goyinto the tophet you go
>>540103290refute what? some schizo's pipe dream?marx wouldn't recognize the modern class structure.
>>540104038Its funny how productive people supposedly owe shit to parasites because of muh society but theres no debt the other way around. And then you wonder why people vote for Trump.
>>540103290Me:>have needs>can workNigger:>has same needs>can't work as much (too dumb)Sounds like equity bullshit, hard pass.
>>540104849>muh society
>>540104849your grand parents are now considered parasites.
>>540103290>Refute thisI need it all karl...
>>540104890>what is social security>what is a pension>what is 401k>who's sustaining the massive 'retirement home' industry where you pay $10k a month for around the clock careretarded, huh?
>>540103419Those aren't needs, they are desires.
>>540104993all his other needs are met, apparently
>>540104096Do what you can, receive what you need.
>>540104987communism .10You put work into a system, you get stuff out of the system. You put work in while you're able, so you can get what you need from it when you're unable.But under communism, the proceeds don't go into the hands of just a few people who use those resources to extract even more value out of you for less reward for you.I'm all about eugenics too, we can totally kill all the sub saharan africans and indians and retards and only allow the functional and capable.We can treat 10 year olds like we do baby chicks. Make them take an IQ test and if Retard, throw them into a fucking blender.
>>540103290I'd rather just cut your fucking head off
>>540105108>You put work into a system, you get stuff out of the systemyeah the US already has that without communismthx 4 playing tho
>>540103290>Refute thisHis Jewish cousins the Rothschilds had already taken financial control of western Europe, and thus they were the most powerful entity in the entire world.Marxism was designed to get the goyim to willingly surrender their own national self determination to the jewish satanic banker cult.Sabbatean Frankism was the cult. Marx was part of it, and the Rothschilds were among the early members.
>>540105108>But under communism, the proceeds don't go into the hands of just a few people they literally do though>who use those resources to extract even more value out of you for less reward for you.that's literally communism
>>540105175yea so since it works in capitalism can't say it wont work in communism. Except its better in communism because the higher percentage of your labor isn't going to your employer, its going to the people, and you're all getting a portion of each others labor without 50%+ of it going to 1 guy's yacht and cocaine.thanks for agreeing with me, good to see it.
>>540103290>remove the link between work and rewards>no-one worksNot very hard to refute
>>540105271>let's do what capitalism already does>but we'll give all our shekels to kikes to manage for us.. uh, no
>>540105271No dude. Just no. This is a fantasy that exists in your mind, you state it like fact when these ideas of your are proven failures
>>540105243nah, we use AI to govern and manage instead of people. Then to ensure the AI isn't corrupt, use rotating sortitioned republic councils to oversee and ensure transparency and non-tampered results.We've got the technology and the framework to ensure success. Only thing stopping it is the hostility of billionaires and their legions of slaves.You're like a feminist, equating freedom with slavery to your employer instead of slavery to your family.You've been brainwashed to argue against your own self interest.Sad really, but kind of funny, but then sad because there are alot of you.
>>540103290He was a jew
>>540103290human life is not inherently valuabletherefore providing for needs is undefinable as good or bad
>>540103290>kikes existkek, disproven memeflag was never that easy.
>>540105401>human life is not inherently valuableleltell that to your slave trading cousins, memeflag
>>540105271>>540105373look kid, i built a company by myself and i already pay too much in taxes as it stands, im not giving a single red cent more to any fucking lazy bone faggot who can't won't work. your mind exists in fantasy land. im not giving you anything from my stack because you haven't earned it. make a product or offer a service im willing to exchange money for or fuck off and die, twice
>>540105435human life can be bad for you
>>540105473yesyou retards will genocide your own children if you think it'll bring the blessing of a demon
It's pretty amazing you can exist in this economy that requires exponential growth, can realize our potential for exponential growth is tapped out, then watch the system turn its need for profit generation inwards towards its existing consumer base raping and exploiting and extracting as much value from you as they can in an ever increasing exponentially rising manner, yet still be completely disconnected from the evils you're being subjected to so a handful of elites can maintain their luxurious lifestyles at your expense.All while you defend them and applaud your being raped.Whats interesting is you've probably made posts or spoken with others about how bad things are getting, completely acknowledging that the people in charge are not doing their due dilegence and are exploiting us for their own personal gain.But throw in one magic word and your entire ideology and frame of mind snaps into a rigid definition of what you've been taught to believe.You're not as enlightened as you think you are. you're psuedo
>>540105517human very often have negative value and removing the is good for youtherefore providing for needs will lead to worse human condition
>>540105373i dont believe you've built anything other than a really cool tower in minecraft, faggot.You can approach with verifiable facts and reasoning and not rely on unprovable bullshit, faggot. get dunked
>>540103290Marx was an obese neet who lived off of his parents while insulting them, his whole ideology was nothing but his personal way of attempting to convince himself that he wasn't an entitled, despicable parasite, and even then it fails under the lightest scrutiny, why was he extorting his father for booze money when there were street urchins and widows with nothing to eat? Marxism are the inane ramblings of a hypocrite and the entire ideological core of communism is thus fundamentally broken,
>>540105565>It's pretty amazing you can exist in this economy that requires exponential growthnope, (((we))) don't.>can realize our potential for exponential growth is tapped outsame thing, the kike-masonic globohomo clown world doesn't allow for good things, only bad things, any good thing is accompany by a bad thing, because they can never get enough control.
>>540105578>removing the[m] is good for you
About the myth of free market, just think about the fact all the copper cables and wires in motors are being replace with alluminium, a lesser quality material/element on Earth conditions.So when you have the economic world degrade the physical living world, isn't that a sign that we actually lived on a control economic zone instead?If the economy should give only growth, why it's giving degrading factors across the board?>>540105641he didn't live off his parents, he lived off his nobility wife funds and his (((friend))).
>>540105808there, I have proven that humans are not valuable just causeso Marx feeding bad humans is badso his statement is not good
>>540105679thats why we overthrow the clown world that uses capitalism as its control mechanism, execute those who've abused it, and implement a system by the people for the people.You'll sit here and bitch all day about how shits getting worse and how something needs to change, have zero actionable plan that would result in a real change, but then when presented with an alternative can that can enact the change you desire, close your eyes and plug your ears and scream "wont work wont work wont work!" with zero effort to discuss how it possibly could.Surely if you're so adament it can never work, then you have actual justification and reasoning other than strawmen and red herrings and arguments in bad faith.surely your chosen vehicle of power and control is solid enough to definitively shut down opposition with actual argument instead of conjecture and what aboutism.
>>540105898>I have proven that humans are not valuablei literally just gave you two example of human value, even if it's for nefarious nigger-jew reasons>>540105435>>540105517here's another reason of the same kind
>>540103290It's a nice general principle. I do think you can judge the success of a society based on how closely they emulate this. For a REASONABLE interpretation of it. That is, basic biological needs, reasonable consumption of luxury goods/services/leisure. Of course not everyone can live in a penthouse and sprinkle gold on their cereals or whatever the fuck. You don't "need" a yacht. I'm sorry, not everyone can have yacht or a private jet or whatever. It's never going to be like this.If you try to implement this principle directly by force it's not going to work. Not even after "abundance" would have been achieved. You'd lose abundance soon enough. If you rely only on the goodwill of people alone to do the jobs that are difficult/risky/unpleasant, you're not going to have abundance. It's not going to be enough. Not enough people doing the jobs, and the jobs not being done well enough. If you try to force the most capable people to work harder than the rest, they'll cease to be capable.It's not bad to have a culture that instill a will to be productive and serve society as an end in itself. It's just never going to be sufficient. There has to be something that motivate people to work that's not just goodwill or coercion.Are (You) going to study medicine for a decade and then spend your days digging through people's innards? Are (You) going to wade through sewer water to fix a pipe that needs fixing? Are you going to go arrest violent people when you'd rather not get stabbed?Obviously there needs to be a bit of a system there.It could be a much better system than what we have now and it could be one almost without poverty but it can't be "communism" where either the state directs everyone's lives by force or there's no state and somehow everything just works. That's insane.
Alcoholic jew who didn't work
>>540105950any life could have positive valuable (if)you provide for a need (if) it is profitable to do so
>>540103290Slaves in Rome and American South had that system.
>>540106028>if
>>540106135yes ifyou title does not matterprovide value or fuck off
>>540103290If someone had high abilities but low needs and someone else has zero skills/abilities but high needs this is purely unjust method of distribution. And humans have infinite needs. Especially the ones who have low abilities. As commie states already did prove. As migration crisis already did prove. How many more proofs do fucking commies needs that it will not work ever?
>>540104890No, they are lifetime net contributors. Stop being a dishonest piece of shit (impossible for a leftist but do try), we both know its not pensioners people have a problem with.
>>540104071You are brown.You will work according to your abilities to satisfy my needs.
>>540103290Not under communism though, AnonPost other quotes from him, that's one of the few quotes that aren't garbage from him
>>540103290I agree but if i'm producing more because of my superior abilities I should be able/allowed to influence a country on important civilizational matters.
>>540104207>>540104225Not bad but post more AnonCommunists quotes such as "don't work don't eat" and other "greater good" bullshit that destroys the individualCommunism is still Jewish and (Jewish) capitalism is Jewish (when done wrong)
>>540106313>Communism is still Jewishthis thoeven marx admits picrel
>>540106217No, its the billionaires we have a problem with. Why would I have a problem with people who are benefiting from their product of their labor? I said others view your grandparents as parasites. "fuck boomers"My issue is with the guy who sits on his yacht lounging on the deck drinking a shirley temple while he tries to figure out a way to get you to work harder for less so he can spend tomorrow not having to worry about having to think of how to get you to work more for less.We have the technology right now to ensure the basic needs of every white person on the planet. And by basic I mean Housing, Healthcare, Education, Electricity, Transportation, Food, Internet, AC, Traditional Entertainment ( TV/Music/gay buttsex/Community Events/Non-gay buttsex.) All with minimal effort. How the work load is distributed is negotiable. Can be 1 day a week. Can be 1 month a year. Can be 4 years in a life time. Totally up to us.But we are technologically advanced enough as a species to ensure all of our basic needs are met, but the ONLY thing stopping it Billionaires and their desire for power and control over others.
>>540106410there is no usthere is no we
>>540106410There's obviously things wrong with the system. But I don't see how pusbing an even more wildly wrong system is helping anything.
>>540103290I dunno i would like reforms.There is the aspect of idealism and the aspect of pragmatism.and i m not fatalistic.
>>540106467You can believe that if you want, but its false. Because you wouldn't exist if it weren't for other people. You're permanently linked to others.
>>540103290Makes sense when ALMIGHTY GOD is giving us manna ever day. Terrible idea otherwise. Show flag.
>>540106591narcissistic you are
>>540106538People thought the same about this system before we pushed it. Just trade your oats for his rye, why do you need currency?Times change. I'm not saying this system wasn't a great driver of innovation and standard of living, but its at the end of its life cycle. We're having to over burden the people and start bullshit wars just so we have an excuse to destroy everything so we can exploit natives for the construction sector and make bank off the military industrial complex. The only reforms coming down the pipe are how much we're willing to allow ourselves to have every moment of our lives monitored and surveilled, and we're not receiving the benefit of it, it's simply being implemented to prevent our revolting against the abuses they know they're subjecting us to.So why keep playing that game? Just so the same family name can enjoy its lineage of history of control and luxury? We don't need tyrants. We dont need warlords. We dont need king pins. We dont need Lords, Kings, Billionaires, Bankers, or Priests.We have it all right now. And if we're going to be putting forth effort to ensure the prosperity of someone, it should be for ourselves and our community. It should be for our friends and our people. Not some random Jew who's great great great grandfather made a prosperous loan agreement with some dead King.
>>540106738what's wrong with that zoomer
>>540105938There's people who use arguments like this for catholic monarcism. If you don't agree with catholic monarcism you are an apostate, and you are an evil person responsible for all the bad things. The only solution to all human troubles is catholic monarchism...etc.You can say "problem exists, therefore", but it doesn't follow logically. It doesn't folow that because billionaires exist, communism is good. It just feels like you're defaulting.It reminds me of a math problem in algebra. Instead of trying to find the solution they just plug in 0. It's true 0 works, but there's other solutions and you haven't truly solved the problem in its full scope. You just defaulted.People want an easy answer, but the answer isn't so easy.
>>540103290It's certainly a good plan if you're a downie.
>>540104006>it worked.Economic collapse in less than five years?There is one example of nationalism that survived without having to colonialize other countries and that is North Korea.>governments that value their people.Which government are we talking about here?
What the hell does it even mean. Many people have no ability but many needs.
>>540106796You're just machine gunning problems you see in society and going "therefore..."Like "data centers are bad, therefore....communism".You need to more thoroughly comprehend the problem before you proffer an answer.It's like someone in WoW is running around with 4.5 trillion gold he obviously hacked. You could find out the exploit and patch it. Or you can throw up your hands and say "whatever let's delete gold from the game". It's like, no, your solution doesn't work. It doesn't follow that because a problem exists your solution is the right solution.
>>540106875It's an efficient approach. 2 things at once. The billionaires are the ones who have the power, so the bad things happening at our expense while we suffer the consequence is naturally their fault. This bad thing is happening because they want more power and more control.So, since this is the system they use to exploit us for the benefit, threaten them replacing the system that they can no longer benefit from at our expense.Their greatest threat is communism. The one thing the billionaire fears more than being recognized on the street (because he deserves death) is a communist revolution.So, they can all agree to throttle back on the fuckening of the people and let us have more time to enjoy ourselves, or they can keep putting the boot to our neck to the point where we say fuck it, kill them all, burn their families, eradicate their bloodline, and replace the system with one where people like them can never become an issue again. (ideally).No one's made a website called PicturesofBillionaires.com, a great website where people can upload pictures of billionaires and geotag their location/places theyve been spotted so we can approach them and have "serious conversations" with them (kill them), so the next alternative is to sit here with you faggots (but seperate because I'm superior) and do my best to rock the fucking boat.We need to implement our end game before they implement theirs. So, lets round up all the billionaires and execute them for their crimes against humanity(all of them), and then implement communism. Why?Because they keep flooding our countries with shitskins. Because they suppress our wages. Because they're turning all our white icons into brown people. Because they are trying to eradicate white people. Because they want to track our every movement and conversation. Because they want us to take experimental and unneccessary bio weapons. Because they corrupt the youth with faggotry. Because they fuck kids.
>>540106983I want the billionaire's character deleted. Because he used his 4.5 trillion gold to buy all the (i dont play this game) crafting items i needed to make my legendary sword and increased the prices by 100x, bought up all the houses in the game so I cant have one, and is paying an army of chinese to bot every zone killing every mob in the area before I can so I never get experience.
>>540103290>from each according to his abilitiesMaximum exploitation>to each according to his needsMaximum freeloading
>>540104071Corporatism
>>540103290>skilled gigachads must provide everything for retarded subhumanswe are living in this world rn and it sucks
>>540103290You deserve nothing from me.I'd rather kill you than cooperate or socialize with a faggot who looks like you.I must kill everything the pro social human unity faggots care about.
>>540107455The ugly deserve to fucking die.Yes simply for existing.Spiteful mutant genocide!
>>540103290>The dispute over “property rights” staggers in vehement agitation. The communists state: “The earth rightfully belongs to those who till it, and the products of the same to those who produce them.”[209] I think it belongs to the one who knows how to take it, or who doesn’t let it be taken from him, doesn’t let himself be deprived of it. If he appropriates it, then not only the earth, but also the right to it, belongs to him. This is egoistic right, i.e., it is right for me, therefore it is right.
>>540107206Ok so let's say my hypothesis is that billionaires exist because of holes in the free market system. The market works, but there's issues with monopolies, addictions, government capture, all manner of ways to turn a free market into a captured market. Especially the stock market which operationalizes these malignancies and turns it into an efficient exploit. The answer is, you just patch that stuff out. You cultivate an educated aristocracy and scientific economic system that identifies these weak points and addresses them. >Their greatest threat is communismIt's the greatest threat to everyone actually >fuck it, kill them all, burn their families, eradicate their bloodline, and replace the system with one where people like them can never become an issue againFrench revolution, cambodian revolution, maoist revolution. This has never worked before. In fact one very common trend in history is when a nation's aristocratic class is wiped out, they fade from prominence. Armenia went through something like this, so did France.>approach them and have "serious conversations" with them (kill them)It just seems like your own violent fantasies, like this is a personal problem.>Because they keep flooding our countries with shitskins. Because they suppress our wages.I think the main issue is one of ideology. The billionaires are often infused with an Ayn Rand style "virtue of selfishness" that causes them to neglect their aristocratic duty. Some of them are also just foreign actors.I believe that there's ways to reach them, to explain to them where things have gone wrong using reason. A lot of them do carry a sense of guilt and shame for their social standing and looking for ways to atone.I won't lie, if things get super bad with some type of control-grid society, this burn-it-down mentality might be the only way out. But I can't support a communist system, it's just a system of slavery.
>>540103290
>>540106410>muh billionariesMy tax doesnt go to them, it goes to feeding neets and shitskins. You failed at not being a dishonest piece of shit, as expected.
>>540103290I will refute communism in it's entirety by pointing out that if civilization was mature enough to support "proper" communism it would be mature enough to practice completely ethical capitalism. Infact ethical capitalism should be the absolute minimum benchmark before communism is even attempted, and I highly doubt anymore would care about communism at that point. Now you refute that.
>>540103290Because people are fucking greedy and lazy. Most of people will take as much as possible, explaining that they need it because [insert any stupid reason] while they will refuse to work explaining they are tired or something. This kind of shit work maybe in small communities that dont go over like 100 people (150 which is Dunbar number is maximum) where everyone knows each other and everyone will look at each other hands. But shit hits a fan when you try to insert communism into bigger communities like entire city or even fucking entire country, then there is not possible for community to catch ones abusing the system to just leech on others work. If you want to prevent that then you need to create a group that will hold and redistribute all resources but then how the hell you prevent people in that group from giving all of this stuff to themselves? Even if you get righteous people who will equally guve goods, they wont last forever especially when there are a lot of people who will usurp that position just to enjoy unlimited access to goods. Thats why at the end any communism ends up with dictatorship where people starve while ruch elites swim in luxury.
>>540103290Thats literally what capitalism does best.Communism is more like> From each whatever the government thinks is his abilities> To each the exact samegay ass nu-communists thinking they're so smart all the time
>>540107558Yea no worries. I'm ostracized and outcast of every social circle because I'm always a bit ahead of the curve. I have this thing where I see a problem others refuse to acknowledge and when I point it out I become the bad guy who is some how the reason the bad things are happening, and get scape goated and exiled. Their problems dont go away, they realize I was right, and they hate me even more and persue their hatred of me in vitriolic and spiteful attempts to destroy what reminds them of their inferiority.You say we patch that stuff out, but they've solidified their control. Look at what happened with the last few elections, the amount of subterfuge and shady shit that was allowed to take place in full view of the entire world and on camera. Look at what they did with Covid. Look at the back and forth cancel culture. The media. The rulings made by bought and paid for judges. The character and career assassinations of anyone who tries to pry away their grip of control. We've gone past the point where a noble aristorcracy is even possible to right the ship.Regarding past revolutions, that took place in less educated times by less educated people. I can't KNOW if it'll be different this time, but I know there is enough of a social apparatus in place coupled with technological progress to overcome any temporary bumps in the road due to the loss of a temporary drivers.I dont think they're willing to listen to reason anymore. They've gotten away with too much. in their minds, they're too untouchable. Look at how blatant the israelis have been. Look at the nonsense happening in the UK that's slowly be parroted here in the states. People use to think heavier than air flight was impossible even after trying it so many times. People thought breaking the sound barrier was impossible after trying so many times. People thought it was impossible to run a 4 minute mile.
>>540103290Only works in a nationalist society.
>>540107883>But shit hits a fan when you try to insert communism into bigger communities like entire city or even fucking entire country, then there is not possible for community to catch ones abusing the system to just leech on others work.Sounds like landlords.
>>540103290I need a 2026 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS. I need a 14,000 sq ft house with a heated olympic pool in the back yard. I need a Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra with 1 TB storage. I need a PS5. I need a Samsung QN83S95FAEXZA 83 Inch tv. I need this pc -- https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4hcjW9So, when do I get it all?
>>540107978>but they've solidified their controlEhh that's sort of true. It's difficult to see a way out of they're running the electoral system, especially when AI comes online. I dunno, it might indeed be necessary. But there's people rising the ladder all the time. In tech, in media, in business. If they truly were this all powerful class, they wouldn't let little upstarts come up and challenge their station. To me, I think the system itself still has precedence. Like it's entirely possible the government will just kick them down 5 notches based on popular sentiment. >We've gone past the point where a noble aristorcracy is even possible to right the shipThe aristocracy is a natural position in society, it exists in every society throughout all human history. Those people don't know it, but they are serving in that role. They just have to be kicked into line and wisened up, so they put their nation and their people first instead of serving themselves and their profits. >I dont think they're willing to listen to reason anymoreYou know, I'm not gonna say that you're wrong. You could be entirely correct. I think this sentiment will start spreadint, and then there'll be a decision point. If we can successfully reign it in, or if we go down the revolutionary road instead. Right now things are headed toward the latter.Regardless, if we pull off some sort of revolution we need to pick up the pieces. I don't think communism is gonna be the answer. >People thought breaking the sound barrier was impossible after trying so many times. People thought it was impossible to run a 4 minute mile.And they thought perpetual motion was impossible. And they're right. Sometimes there's iron-clad laws that you can't break. Laws of economics work like that too.
>>540103290>my abilitiescranking my hog>my needsa foid to crank my hogI am become communist.
>>540108230Nah, you want all of that. What you need is a roof over your head, a family and means to survive.
>>540107575NEETs don't exist here, at least not white ones, all you can have is 3 months of government support while you're unemployed and looking for a job, other than that you're fucked. But yeah, most of our taxes are going straight to gypsies, we basically subsidized the entire lifestyle of 1 million gypsies, who never ever become net contributors in their lives and they soak up massive amount of government resources. I did the math a few months ago and we could easily become as well off as Czechia without our gypsy population holding us back.
>>540104993No, those are definitely needs, and if you disagree, you must be shot.
>>540103290do you know how much of a lazy faggot you have to be to wear a beard and your hair like that, of course not you're probably a retarded childthat's not a serious person to be taking any kind of mentorship or advice fromthat's a bum who literally doesn't do anything
>>540108390Oh, I'm sorry you are offended by Marx. Are you published? It really does say something that long after his death, Marx and his ideas are still studied to this very day.
>>540108246The only people allowed to rise the ladder are preselected/vetted. Outsiders aren't allowed if they're true threats to the establishment. As of right now, its a false dichotomy, both sides taking turns being the controlled opposition. You aren't allowed in the game unless you're willing to play by their rules. Threats to the system are removed.They dont care about nations anymore. They dont care about their people. They're willingly importing millions of foreigners from other countries for the sole purpose of righteously exploiting them through lower wages. "Americans wont do these jobs" Yea, because they fucking suck and the pay isn't worth it. the pay isn't WORTH it, so they say fuck MY people, I value PROFIT over the paying MY PEOPLE proper wages.Communism might not be the right answer, but I think it's worthy of consideration. When things were going well, I too would not consider it as a viable alternative. But this past decade, watching late stage capitalism take form with my own eyes, well its left me in a position where the rewards of the current system aren't so enticing that I'm unwilling to consider communism as an alternative. Since what we're doing now is beginning to fail, we might as well start looking ahead at possible solutions. And maybe through talking through this as a possible solution (because we've reached the point together where we're willing to discuss it), other viable alternatives might present themselves that are better. Because this is how you figure shit out. Discussing it, and we've reached the point where we should be having this discussion.And technically, perpetual motion is possible. Our planet is spinning through space moving at like 60k mph around the sun, perpetually moving. But I know you meant perpetual motion in the form of harvesting energy. But, we dont even really have a firm grasp of what our universe is, let alone solar system. We dont even fully understand gravity.
>>540103290Virtue requires freedom and not coercion, and changing economic systems alone cannot heal the cause of injustices.
ohh boy i triggered a namefaggot, defending the most failed ideology in human history, just by pointing out no man would groom his hair and facial hair like that if he ever left his shack or participated in the real worldHAIL THE MULTIPOLAR WORLDhow do you live with hypocrisy celebrating this kike and spending the other 23 hours of the day complaining about all the others, cause he woo'ed you with some chabad nonsense criticizing his own kind's nature lol you're easy to fool
>>540103290Too many need gits with very little ability
>>540108591I don't even like Marx to be honest with you, I'm a reformist humanistic syndicalist, and a democratic socialist. I'm definitely not a communist and I'm definitely not a marxist.
ohh you're a retard then, greatgood for you, communist by any other name
Communism is the real life refutation of communism.
>>540108683Read a book
watch a videotalking to commies really reinforces the point, that dialogue is impossible and you must kill them
>>540103290We have this in the form of welfare programs in the United States. The problem is, with those systems in place, the "From each according to his abilities" doesn't happen; either out of fear of losing those benefits or lack of incentive to improve. You can blow that up on a massive scale and you would see the same thing happen.
>>540108795I'd say its more Jewish imperialism than American imperialism. The Jews own the US. This is their doing.
>>540103290easyat some point a stranger whom you will probably never meet has to decide what you "need"
Communism would work if jews and browns simply didn't exist.
>>540103290And if those of high ability refuse?
>>540103290>refute thisi need your stuff.all of it.to fuel my research on what happens if i deprive you of your stuff.i'm a researcher, my ability is researching.specifically, i research what happens to you when i deprive you of your stuff.
>>540103290I'm not putting in one single extra ounce of effort if the benefit just goes to someone else. This compete reasonable, rational, and natural way of thinking is why the soviet union collapsed.
>>540103774>I want Nationalism"The German working masses do not understand any policy at all. They want bread and circuces" ~ Adolf HitlerImagine if Trump said that about the border wall, the whole /pol/ would seethe. Yet the natsoc miggers see no problem with this statement.
>>540103290From each according to his needs, to each according to his abilities.Refute this.
