Who are they visiting?
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>>540103621you will feel it when loved ones die. its a human thing not christisn. attachnents. they hit hard.
Do Christians have ancestor worship like the Chinese? When do they start burning money to send them in the afterlife?
>>540103672Do you burn Deutsche Marks to send your ancestors?
>>540103621Depends on the sect. Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in ghosts. >>540092654The Bible teaches that the dead are unconscious and go back to oblivion, or non-existence.>Isaiah 38:18,19 - 18 For it is not She´ol that can laud you; death itself cannot praise you. Those going down into the pit cannot look hopefully to your trueness. The living, the living, he is the one that can laud you, Just as I can this day.>Psalms 6:5 - For in death there is no mention of you; In Sheol who will laud you?>Psalms 88:10 - For those who are dead will you do a marvel? Or will those impotent in death themselves arise, Will they laud you? Selah.>Psalms 146:4 - His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish.>Psalm 88:12 - Will a marvel by you be known in the darkness itself, Or your righteousness in the land of oblivion?>Psalms 115:17 - 17 The dead themselves do not praise Jah, Nor do any going down into silence.>(Ecclesiastes 3:18-20) I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.>Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 - 5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.
>>540103672>you will feel it when loved ones die.Do you have any idea how many people there are in this world who have nobody?
>>540103701Ancestor worship is against the Bible. It's a form of idolatry and spiritism.
>>540104442My neighbor his a big time christian zionist and we have debates over beer all the time and he got real touchy when I asked about the family plots. I asked if the soul goes to heaven then who is in the hole and he couldn't answer.
>>540104368Do the scripture mention ghosts like omg a ghost that's scary? I think not
>>540104368>The Bible teachesindoctrinates*
>>540104571Ask him if jesus was a jew next time
>>540104675He would say yes. This man conflates Judaism and Christianity. His son in law in a pastor with his own small church and he calls him a rabbi.
>>540103621>on ghostsGet the fuck out, spic.
>>540104571>family plots.???>I asked if the soul goes to heaven then who is in the holeHole?>>540104625Yes, they are all demons. "Ghost," in the Bible are all demons pretending to be dead humans.
>>540104638Is that a bad thing?
>>540104625There was that time king Saul went to a medium and she raised the spirit of Samuel, allegedly, and it spooked Saul a lot. It's also the only time that happened in the Bible, and we can presume it wasn't actually Samuel but a demon playing pretend, because there's no way for an average woman to be raising the dead, and God commanded ao mediums be killed, so it's not his work that she's carrying out.
>>540105038This family has easily spent over $100,000 on family graves but when a car breaks down they go real cheap on repairs.
>>540104625Yeah, the Witch of Endor acts as a medium and calls Samuel from beyond the grave to prophecy the downfall of Saul (1 Kingdoms [1 Samuel] 28:3–25). Church fathers are pretty split on the interpretation. Justin Martyr, Origen, Ambrose and Augustine all think the Witch summoned Samuel from the dead. John Chrysostom and Theodoret interpret it as either Samuel or a demon, but regardless it appeared at God's bidding and not by necromancy. Tertullian, Jerome, Basil the Great, and Gregory of Nyssa all think it was a demon who deceived Saul and gave a false prophecy that Saul self-fulfilled. It's open to interpretation.
>>540105133When a person dies they either go to be with the Lord if they have faith in Jesus or they go to a state of "rest" until judgement. In either case you can talk about a "rest" hence rest in peace.
When the rapture happens why does the body go too?
>>540105458the rapture was invented in the 1830s. It isn't real.
>>540105640The Constitution is older than that.
>>540104571>who is in the holeNobody, what a dumb question
>>540105705The two christians I have debated on this are unwilling to answer who is in the hole. I think they believe their consciousness will also somehow live in the grave but are unwilling to say that.
>>540105133Usually people spend a lot of money on funerals and graves because of a superstitious belief that the dead will haunt you, poltergeist you for not spending Pharoah graves on them. So, yes, it's a waste of money. The dead can't hurt you, cannot influence your personal life, nor bless you. They are as dead as animals and plants. Pure oblivion.
>>540105877Its all really awkward for everyone involved. I wouldn't do it again.
>>540103621they believe in a jewish zombie
>>540106006They believe in jewdoo.
>>540105917Because of the Sunk Cost Fallacy. They invested too much into the superstition to admit it's a wasted investment when too much was sunk into it already.
I don't really believe in ghosts but everyone I know who died and is close to me I feel a presence. My grandma's ashes are somewhere in my closet and it feels like she's doing shit sometimes
>>540105705That’s interesting, because each one is clearly labeled with its contents and date of expiry. Why do they do that if no one is in it?
>>540105367According to jews
>>540105057>08Yes
>>540106542grandson and grandma both in the closet. wholesome
When you die you move into a different state of vibration, you don't cease to exist. This is also compatible with laws of thermodynamicsYou live in different state of vibration in same space in different axes. Ghosts are just these same vibrations who leak into our dimensions. The space you are inhabitng now probably has many ghosts but in different axes not visible to you. Christkucks with their jew God fairy tales have no idea how anything works
>>540103621>believe onKYS nigger
>>540106770I know someone that believed that. He is dead now and his family put him in a family plot.
>>540103621>Who are they visiting?God hasn't built heaven yet, when he does the dead will rise up, and be taken there first.Until then, the dead are just waiting in a coma. Sleeping. If you were worried that grandma was looking down from heaven, watching you masturbate, you can rest easy.Honor your parents by remembering them, and maybe if all of you were good, your souls will be brothers in heaven. Grieve, say your goodbyes, apologies, etc.
Visiting Graves makes no sense whether you're Atheist or Christian. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
>>540103621There's a whole board dedicated to these types of questions.
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>>540105258>It's open to interpretation.Well, it isn't. Someone is wrong and someone is right.
>>540104442That's exactly why it's based
My gf (ghost fren) told me there are ghosts right here interacting with you on 4chins.
>>540107318And since there is no definitive way of knowing who is right, we default back to interpretation. Get your autism looked at by a qualified mechanic.
>>540107398There's multiple ways to definitively know that Samuel appears.1) The narrator says Samuel appeared. The narrator is the Holy Ghost.2) The Apocrypha says Samuel appeared, so anyone who believes the Apocrypha has no excuse to deny it unless they haven't read the Apocrypha (99.999% of those same "Christians")
Synchronicities
>>540107892I'm listening.
>>540107398>>540107490>A "German" and a "Nazi" bickering about who is right about ancient mythical hebrew drivel. kys both of you.
>>540108083You're cringe. Simple as.
>>540108026I mean it drove Carl Jung insane for a while seeing so many patterns and shit. It's a rabbit hole
>>540104368>the bible teachesMatthew 12:43-45 KJV43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
>>540105762You are not your flesh, in ChristianityYou are a soul, and your soul's father is God.Honor your earthly mother and father for giving you your body, through which you have this opportunity to experience God's creation "in the flesh" but you must love you heavenly Father more than the animals that gave you an animal for your soul to inhabit. Your mother is also inhabited by a soul, and that soul is also a son of God like you, It is your brother. Christianity is knowing that God is your Father, just like Jesus. He too was a son of Man in the flesh, like us, through his mother Mary. You have dominion over the animal body that you possess, and you must give it food, drink, shelter, or it will rebel against you. It is your avatar in the simulation, your soul is not in it nor part of it. Your body will die, but not your soul, unless you do evil, then your soul will be destroyed by Satan in hell.hope that clears things up for you.
>>540108212kek retard. If you could read the text of the propaganda you were posting yourself you would realize the very secular and cynical way Nazis used Christ as a symbol for Germany, declared dead, resurrected etc. and the crucifixion as an antisemtic argument. You really think Hitler would let his spirituality be poisoned by kike nonsense lmao you are braindead
>>540108083To be fair i don't care about bronze age sheepfucker fiction I was just being a smartass about knowledge vs interpretation when it comes to abstract absolutes
>>540108971Noah had 3 sons He gave Japheth his eldest all of Europe from the Atlantic to the Pacific. He gave Shem, his second son, from his second wife Naamah all of Asia.He gave his youngest son Ham, all of Africa.Noah said that Japheth and his children can live in Asia (dwell in the tents of Shem)He did not allow Shemites to dwell in Europe.Because of Ham's sin against Noah, Ham's 4th son Canaan was cursed with blackness.The land of Canaan is the Congo region. All blacks are Canaanites. Ham and his other children, North, East, and South were not cursed with blackness. That curse, also said that Canaan would be a servant unto both his uncles. Japheth, and Shem. Hitler was correct, that Shemites did not belong in Europe.
>>540109446Shem's Mother, Noah's second wife was Naamah, sister of Tubal-Cain, Daughter of Lamech, of the blood of Cain. All Semites have the blood of Cain. if you have the rs17306671 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide A you are from Shem.and your DNA will show that you are part Neanderthal. Noah's wife Naamah did not worship GOD like Noah did, Noah was tasked with preserving the races, and often lamented about God's decision to do so, but he obeyed his God. Shem worshiped his mother's God, which was a disappointment to Noah, but he continued to love all his sons, including Shem. In Genesis Noah asks his God to bless the God of Shem. clarifying that Shem's god was NOT Noah's God. At Genesis and Genetics, we have examined Y-chromosome genomes searching for Noah and his three sons, Ham, Japheth, and Shem. They were easy to find. According to our analysis, if you have the rs17306671 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide A you are from Shem. If you have the rs9786139 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide A you are from Ham. If you have the rs3900 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide G you are from Japheth. If you are a woman, you will have to check your father’s y-chromosome. Women don’t have the y-chromosome.
>>540109446This is your brain on abrahamism. Trying to be the battered housewife of a schizophrenic narcissist bending yourself in pretzels to make sense of his diseased rambling.
>>540103621Ghosts are a pagan concept, but because of how Europeans integrated Pagan concepts into Christianity they have always survived into lore and culture. The leaving out of food, or deliberate not leaving food out at certain times of year, catholic regional traditions etc. All part of the grief process and remembrance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OHw2VM4UjY
>>540103621Yes, you americans are pretty backwards. And that's just the adults. The children believe it even more and about 20% are not sure what to believe. 6 in 10 americans still believe in the supernatural.
>>540109619The bible is the story of all mankinddon't be fooled by the jew who lies and twist things. Abraham was a Shemite (about 8 generations after Shem) He, like Shem is of the blood of Cain, he did not serve the God of Adam and Noah. The Israelites chose another "lord" to follow, he told them to forget the God of their parents, and forget the God before the flood, he told the Israelites to follow his lord Satan. "and if it seems evil to follow satan..."Indeed it does seem evil, he told the Israelites to invade African, kill all descendants of Ham, and steal their gold.
