Can you refute this without appealing to figures from the distant past? First off, the quote is referring to the present. Second off, much of the past artwork that would be cited was made by people that - while they would undoubtedly be considered right-wing if they were dropped into the modern day - were fairly progressive, liberal, or at the very least anti-tradition for their own time. Also, no libertarians unless they're extremely chud-coded or something. Libertarians aren't conservative per se (you essentially have to be anti-tradition to advocate for an actual libertarian state) and they tend to hate the Right only slightly less than they hate the Left. I would not consider John McAfee a "right wing" figure, for instance. Not that he was an artist. But you get my point.
Also, good morning.How is everyone doing today?
all leftards are Satan worshippers>>540119610its undeniable
>>540120586picrel disproves this
>>540120656>Costa Rica is home to an estimated 2,500 to 3,000 Jews, with most living in and around the capital city of San José.How does it feel to be part of such a small minority? >>540120688This actually isn't an awful argument, but it requires one to consider memes art, and it requires one to consider nihilistic accelerationists to be right-wing.
Also, as cringe as he is:Fantano > Scaruffi > Christgau
>>540120883idk i consider comedy art. also drawn images art. Maybe u dont. and yea nihilistic accelerationist are typically right wing, like atomwaffen, cause they are fighting against modern, liberal, multicultural society.
>>540120586What progressives consider "art" is more degenerate than anything else.
>>540121160AWD weren't (and similar groups aren't) nihilists though. They genuinely believe in Nazism, race war, a fascist state, etc. Most frogposters don't actually want those things, they're just saying they do to be edgy and contrarian. Yeah, they might hate nonwhites, but they don't actually want to die in a race war and they don't actually want to live in an authoritarian state that takes their rights away and forces them to give up their hobbies / habits.
>>540120586Jimmy Urine
>>540120586Anyone who's right-left brained can't make shit
>>540120995Fuck Anthony.
>>540120995>ScaruffiHoly shit it’s been 15 years since I last heard that name on /mu/
>>540121639
>>540121722I will admit, I do randomly get lines from this diss track stuck in my head
>>540121743You haven't been on /mu/ in 15 years?Cause he gets brought up all the time Especially the Beatles copypasta
>>540120586Yes. Everything not current year is outdated and therefore conservative. There is no progressive art because what is considered progressive is an eternally moving goalpost.
>>540121160>fighting against modern, liberal, multicultural societyyou could easily be describing xi jinping, nigger
>>540120586What is art?Checkmate faggot
All I know is that evangelicals suck at art
>>540120586In literature, great art seems to come from self -reflection and critique. What gets in the way of that is a determination to make a story fit a moral lesson or view.I think that's where right wingers often go wrong with art.
>>540122050have you ever stopped to consider why the two words, or the dichotomy, exists? how do you conveniently misinterpret just enough to make such a gay and dumb argument?
He talks about taste when a black woman actually divorced HIM
Rightoids can't make anything good, but Nazis absolutely can. The pinnacle of rightoid art is either Forgiato Blow or Duke Skywalker, that MIGA kike who directs interracial porn.
>>540122050>There is no progressive art because what is considered progressive is an eternally moving goalpost.You know this argument works both ways, right? Conservatives today want to go back to the 1950s. Conservatives in the 1950s wanted to go back to the 1920s. And so on.
>>540120586He’s wrong. He wouldn’t consider the art good regardless because it is “right wing.” He’s also deleted reviews giving literal Nazis good scores
Leftism destroys societies so unfortunately I don't care if they can draw anime titties.
>>540120656if they worship satan it’s not because they believe he actually exists but to piss off christ trannies >>540120688nigga that guy that made pepe is a californian libtard. Boys club is moderate at most
>>540122374you mean they homogenize societies
Art is a retarded waste of time.Get to work you fucking slackers.
>>540120586Where's all this art "the left" is supposedly making? I know a lot of people who call themselves artists but I only know 2 who regularly produce paintings. One has vague politics and the other is a social dropout with none. I used to know one actual painter who was a full on communist but she had more in common with MAGA than anyone repping "the left" online. It might be closer to the truth to say: nobody produces art.
>>540122328I'm pretty sure he considers Filosofem to be good art. He still has a more recent Burzum review up that's a 6/10, which is the same score he gave MBDTF
>>540120586anime
>>540122525For some reason he considers manufactured pop music left wing because a woman or brown person sang on it, even if the mechanism that creates it is entirely right wing crony capitalism
>>540121577look i don't want to have some gay autistic definition debate with you, they were right wing nihilistic accelerationists
>>540121577False, i'm a frog poster and want to kill niggers. I think you are projecting hard or you are a shill promoting fake consensus narrative building.
>>540122525>>540122665The artists are left-wing because the vast majority support the Democrats and/or donate to liberal causes, even if they aren't someone who publicly talks about politics often. This goes for musicians, filmmakers, etc. Virtually all of them are at least casually liberal.
>>540122795The entire anime and manga industry is right wing because the vas majority support conservative ideas and or donate to conservative causes, even if they aren't someone who pubblicly talks about politics often. This goes for mangaka, musicians, anime directors, ect. Virtually all of them are at least causally conservative.
>>540120586Easily but I know we're not counting leftslop as "art".
>>540122773If you wanted to, you would. >>540122737At the very least, could you acknowledge that they are not nihilists in the same way that your typical edgelord troll is? To use a cringe capeshit metaphor, you're basically saying Thanos is the same as the Joker.
>>540120586My counter is that who on the left is making art now? The problem we have today is that we are devoid of art everywhere.
>>540122525>nooo unless you're a heckin pro china tankie you're not left wingThis grift was tired in 2018.
>>540122795lmao rude awakening incoming
>>540123043>who on the left is making art nowsee >>540122795Why are you so disingenuous? That was a rhetorically question, its because you've made being a rebel part of your core identity and thus admitting that the society you live in fully supports your ideals is a blow to the ego.
>>540122297>You know this argument works both ways, right?It doesn't. No one literally wants to go back to the 1950's. They're just anachronistically picking aspects they like. Even those who actually think they want to go back to the 1950's simply don't know what they're talking about about. Besides, what's your excuse for not accepting progressive transpecies AI relationships, nazi? It's 3026. Get with the times. Plug yourself into the matrix already and look at the shadows on the wall. Everyone who says those are only shadows on the cave wall is racist.
>>540120586>First off, the quote is referring to the present. Jews gatekeep popular art today for the most part.>Second off, much of the past artwork that would be cited was made by people that - while they would undoubtedly be considered right-wing if they were dropped into the modern day - were fairly progressive, liberal, or at the very least anti-tradition for their own time.You're arguing against yourself.Leftists are usually more insane which can make them better artists. Your mistake is assuming that this matters at all about how to organize and govern society. Leftists are shit at that. A leftist being better at art has nothing to do with how society should be run and if anything should be an argument against them wielding power.
>>540122932Genuine question: outside of the obvious rare stuff with crossover appreciation (i.e. Akira) do you consider manga and anime to be great art?
>>540120586>The Right can't make great a ...ACK!This single image buck broke leftoids..
>>540123147>two more terms
>>540120586the left:>THE RIGHTS CANT MAKE GOOD MUSIC!!!!!also the left:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_bPNCtcKFo
>>540123169its just debate club style autism. im gonna go goon. i will leave u all with this fine art piece
>>540120586get over yourself
>>540123243>Leftists are usually more insane which can make them better artists.That's possible. They're certainly more idealistic and empathetic, which can reasonably be interpreted as being more irrational. >Your mistake is assuming that this matters at all about how to organize and govern society.Yeah, I didn't say that. Anywhere.
>>540123267It's based on a book from the 1950s written by an avowed antiracist who said he wished he had Jewish ancestry just to spite the Nazis.
>>540123259It's better than what the west has done since the 60s.
>>540120586What do you consider “the distant past” anon?William Faulkner was one of the great modernist writers he punlished his last novel just over 60 years ago. He also was an explicit southern sympathiezer and he waxed on it far less poetically in many interviews then in the above quote.If 60 years ago isnt recent enough to you I’d just put it to you what progressive work of the last 60 years would you put as on par with Faulkner??David Foster Wallace?Charles Burkowski???
>>540122272do you really think you're fooling anyone, tranny?
>>540120586I understand his sentiment, but his phrasing is retarded because he associated it with muh left right politics.What he means is the political status quo can't make good art.To an extent, it's very true.Counterculture has the passion and something to actually say.How many pro-iraq war songs came out that made an impact? Are you still listening to Tobey Queefs "courtesy of the red white and blue"? Sure maybe Avenged Sevenfolds "critical acclaim" but if you analyze it past the "being anti war makes soldiers big mad so stop bullying the hecking soldierinos" it's an absolutely retarded song.>The right isn't the status quoCorrect, it's why it dominated meme culture for so long. The left had 8 years dunking on Bush (for good reason) and when their time came and Obama did the exact same shit, well they couldn't look like they were wrong or they'd have to admit their smug faggotry was nothing more than surface level analysis.>So who owns the status quo nowNo one has a clear answer. What happened is NGOs and corpos realized they could pay influencers to push their bullshit and since they are all desperate whores for money they will sell out in a heart beat and millennial and gen z don't even comprehend the concept of being a sell out, and the one that do are obnoxious libtards who cry about made up moral faggotry like feminism and muh gay rights.>Also Fantano used to be apolitical before he got his tour cancelled because his podcast interviewed Sam Hyde (with a fairly non offensive interview).>When faced with not becoming a political tool even if it meant getting a real job, or being a left wing mouth piece to avoid having to do real work, he CHOSE to become an obnoxious political faggot to the same people that went after him, then acted as if the people who make fun of this move are the evil ones.I have no love or sympathy for Fantano. He made hos choice and deserves as much respect as anyone who loves their abusers rather than fighting back.
>>540120586name one (1) contemporary work of art that's had more impact on our culture than frog memesif you don't equate "art" with institutionally-approved garbage, there's loads of right wing stuff.
>>540123860I really don't find it to be aesthetically pleasing for the most part >>540123939Literature has become completely irrelevant since then, regardless of the writers' political leanings
>>540124173>culture
I don't have to justify moronic statements from halfwits who's most "artistic" creation is the thumbnail on their videos.
>>540123640jew worshipers are retarded. we know
>>540121722Fuck Fanta hand on the bible
>>540120586>TRANS->-RIGHTS
>>540120586>artistic value is determined by commercial success Lol. Lmao even. Picrel is high art btw
>>540123259You aren't the arbiter of art you pissant. Draw a perfect circle then your opinion might have merit.
>>540122795>democrats are left wing These are the people who consider themselves intellectuals fit to judge art lol
>>540124173>name one (1) contemporary work of art that's had more impact on our culture than frog memesJoker (2019)
>>540122795Are we talking about "music and presumable art that gets distributed to the mass market" or are we asking who makes art? Because if it's the former the question has been answered, though I still don't see any paintings forthcoming. >>540123053Think so huh. But you haven't shown me a painting. Where's the art?
>>540124649>fit to judge artyou sound like a faggot
>>540124649>democrats aren't left wingThat will surely be a relief to everyone else on this board. Thank you for the news.
>>540120586I refute it thus:Murdoch Mursoch's "The Wanderer's Choice"
>>540124246>Literature has become completely irrelevant since thenEven if this is true what then is your point?William Faulkner proves an artistic soul capable of great art can manifest in right wing person in a contemporary context. It renders your critique moot; at least in the narrow absolutist sense you articulated it.
>>540124962Nobody cares about paintings anymore. This is like asking where the bronze reliefs are.
>>540122665Oh so we are saying "art" but we mean "Wet ass pussy". I thought we meant painters making beautiful Austrian landscapes.
>>540125040>born in 1897>contemporary
>>540125187To be fair, you have to have a pretty high IQ to consider wet ass pussy to be art...
https://youtu.be/-5YkELj14KY
>>540124882BAHAHAHA>we live in a societyyeah yeahA movie meant to be satire but ended up being memed.And the director got so butthurt he made the sequel a humiliation ritual for the protag, and then wiped him from existence (oh it wasnt even the real Joker)
>>540125170Okay. Where are the bronze reliefs? Could it be that you don't actually know who the artists are, or what they make, or where it goes? Someone is buying all that acrylic paint at the store, however.
>>540125488>Someone is buying all that acrylic paint at the store, however.let me guessit's the jews>>540125486Joker wasn't meant to be "satire", and none of that is relevant to the question that was being answered anyway. Joker had more of an impact on modern popular culture than frog memes.
>>540125681would add that Joker memes and now-banned clownworld subreddits are what lead me to 4chan in the first place I barely even knew who Pepe was
>>540123421>Yeah, I didn't say that. Anywhere.That's the implication of bringing politics into art discussion. Leftists agree with the politics of current popular artists, so they use that as a domain to argue politics on. Otherwise what's the point?
>>540126070What's the point of having a politically-related discussion on a politically-related discussion forum?
>>540124246So you're doing the thing where anything that disproves you doesn't count for some asspulled reason or another.
>>540126458I mean beauty is subjective but if you're gonna call most anime great art then you might as well just go all the way and call Kid Rock's music and Daily Wire's movies great art (Bawitdaba notwithstanding)
>>540125681Frog memes were denounced by the world wide media machine after an american political candidate threw a fit about them. Joker had less impact.
>>540126586Most mass market consumption media isn't great. Most isn't art. Of the things that are, anime is better than anything the west has done for a long time.
>>540123259Do you consider modern pop music to be great anything?
>>540122932>The entire anime and manga industry is right wingHOLY FUCKING RETARDKEK
>>540124173the creator of pepe the frog is by all standards a liberal lol and the original frog posters from pre-2010 4chan were extremely liberal
The only right-wingers I can think of making art I enjoy these days are all Asians.For some reason, western right-wingers decided to go all-in on AIslop.
>>540120586Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
>>540120586The Right can marke art. They're just told not to, by right-wingers who see art as useless and leftists who cancel anyone with the wrong opiniones.
>>540120586>Can you refute this without appealing to figures from the distant past?Yes
>>540126849Some of it's pretty greatI'm a sucker for stuff with strong melodies and cathartic production
>>540127416Is this referring to the game itself, the game's creator(s), or just the composer?
>>540122196You’re contradicting yourself retard.
>What is art? Gotcha, librul, you can't even define art!>I've seen what the left considers art, no wonder the right doesn't stoop down to such degeneracy!>Heh, your boos don't mean nothing to me, as I've seen what makes you cheer! (Edit: Thanks for the updoots but that zinger, while I'd love to claim it as my own, is something I got off of Reddit '^__^)>Consider this frog made by a liberal>Hey, the left makes also bad art so it shouldn't matter the right makes no art!>Do you mean Hollywood goyslop? I know you don't but I'm going to assume you do and lmao do you call that art?>Well now that you say this, I don't believe in left-right dichotomy because I know you're rightLot's of cope in this thread, zero examples of actual modern right wing art
>>540120586Here's another more current one
>>540120586Anyone not Jewish or gay or some sort of minority is completely shut out of that world. 100% sealed off. Jews are very strict about this. But that's okay. They won't be here much longer and will be completely shut out of our countries.
>>540127654Compared to what leftists are "creating" nowadays while riding the coattails of better people
>>540127652the only two plays this board has are whataboutism and blaming the jews for their own failures
>>540120586Here's the manga that outperformed the entire leftist-dominated western comic book industry a couple years ago
>>540127733Mass Effect trilogy was great and that definitely leaned liberal in its overall messaging
>>540120586This is what progressive New York musicians are into nowadays >Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
>>540127719Half of the Republican Party is "jewish or gay or some sort of minority"
>>540127883if you're going to post some shit that no one has heard of you could at least put what it is in the filename
>>540127873I enjoyed mass effect yeah, but primarily for the world building which is mostly thanks to that one autistic writer who was responsible for explaining the element zero tech and how it was integrated into biotics and weapons and other tech. Mass Effect also had plenty of themes of soldierly duty and self sacrifice that gave a conservative like me similar things to grab onto as what Bungie era halo offered. Also mass effects progressive values were really just because it was made by Canadians. Watching Stargate gave me similar moments of confusion that served as reminders the writers were Canadian. And looking at what those values led to today just takes me back to that saying I keep quoting:>your boos mean nothing
>>540120586>Modern leftists love diversity quotas and exiling anyone with the current 'wrong' opinion.>The whole concept of meeting diversity quotas is anti-art.So the right can't make art and the left is forced not to make art. Cool.
>>540127994This website gives you tools to reverse search images. That's part of what makes this an imageboard.
>>540128336I did, but I shouldn't have had to. Especially if your goal was to bring awareness to it.
>>540120586>>540127994>>540127873>>540127790Fantano is spiritual jewish, why don't you fags just come out and say you think Whites cannot produce art?
>>540128401>but I shouldn't have had toYou're on an imageboard. You should expect it.
>>540120586> Second off, much of the past artwork that would be cited was made by people that - while they would undoubtedly be considered right-wing if they were dropped into the modern day - were fairly progressive, liberal, or at the very least anti-tradition for their own time.I'm going to need you to prove this on a case by case basis. You have no reason to believe they would agree with your modern politics. A lot of Anons were even progressive leaning until they saw where that was heading and changed course.Also, because you like to play semantics games and act like being innovative means progressive when being "progressive" actually means "making progress" on advocating for Non-White ethnic groups, homosexuality, and women's suffrage. If making progress in general made you progressive than the German National Socialist part would be progressive for inventing rockets and the Autobahn. Anyways, Thomas Cole is probably one of if the greatest painter.
Gary Numan was a Thatcher supporter in the 80s, Tony Hadley from Spandau Ballet likewise
>>540128426>why don't you fags just come out and say you think Whites cannot produce art?Because that's not what we believe. You're taking a legitimate criticism and making it all about your own completely unrelated victim complex. Especially when a shit ton of 100% white people are left-wing.
>>540128600>You have no reason to believe they would agree with your modern politics.I literally said they'd be right-wing by modern standards. I honestly don't know how I could have been more explicit in saying that.
>>540120586The right is being stonewalled from art as it got co-opted by women and minorities/fags. The right will scream hypocrite as much as possible on Twitter to “own the libs” then go back to eating air fryer chicken tendies, fapping, and playing elden ring randomizer. They will never rise. Nobody is going to fix this.
>>540123640Doesn’t make Tolkien a leftist though you idiot.
>>540128749They could just make good art. You don't need $100 million to make a movie. Primer was made on a budget of $7000. Plenty of indie albums were made on a budget of literally zero.
>>540128749>The right is being stonewalled from art as it got co-opted by women and minorities/fagsYep, which is why the modern western game industry is floundering. Meanwhile, the more conservative Asian gacha industry is outperforming the western industry to an embaressing degree
>>540122297Conservatives aren't regressive, that's a common miscommunication. They simply illustrate that their beliefs are feasible and work well by pointing to tell life examples of them being implemented throughout history. This is obviously confusing to the liberal because any life examples of their policies being enacted is a self evident argument for why they shouldn't be so instead you much always appeal to an imagined future utopian state where your "new" ideas are implemented "for the first time." The truth being your ideas are nearly as old as recorded history and have been tried and failed many many times before as the plays of Aristophanes illustrate, among others.
>>540122390> If they worship satan it’s not because they believe he actually exists but to piss off christ tranniesNo, that's a cover story
>>540128793A. If he was an antiracist in the 1940s, then he was probably a leftist for the time, at least socially. B. He isn't contemporary so he's irrelevant anyway.
>>540128866An entire industry brought to it's knees, because they listened to an uppity yenta who told them to make women ugly.
>>540122795They speak left-wing talking points for social support but vote for Republicans because they're millionaires who want tax cuts. The Panama papers proved this when it revealed every celebrity keeps their money in Panama so they don't have to pay taxes.
>>540120883>and it requires one to consider nihilistic accelerationists to be right-wing.The same flaky leftists that would say 'right wingers can't make art' would consider them right wing.
>>540123259Yes, but you would need an appreciation of the technical aspects of drawing, animation, and storytelling to understand why.
I mean legitimately most modern art is shit. Just oscar bait trying to meet diversity quotas or some sort of over produced degenerate ass music about shaking asses or self empowerment. Or a video game overlayed with left wing politics and/or that appropriates western culture but with a cosmopolitan spread of demographics for the modern diversity obsessed left wing mind. Much of Japan still makes genuinely worthwhile art and they are overwhelming conservative or moderate compared to the insanity of western politics. Another thing is that people with right wing opinions almost instantly get canceled, rejected, or just overall locked out of most modern artistic industries like film, games, etc. How the fuck are you supposed to make conservative art when no one will invest in you because they risk losing their vanguard/blackrock bucks? Ultimately youre asking why right wingers dont make art in a society hellbent on preventing them from doing so. And if they do they have to be clandestine about it.
>>540124021Show me any kind of decent migger art.
Mel Gibson (pbuh) makes artful movies and acting performances.
>>540129153>Much of Japan still makes genuinely worthwhile art and they are overwhelming conservative or moderate compared to the insanity of western politics.China too
>>540129208
>>540123640No, he wasn't lolWhile it doesn't appear he was an over the top racist all of your claims seem to come from one letter he wrote to his publisher when the Lord of the Rings was being published in National Socialist Germany and they asked him to make a public declaration of Aryanhood and he said politely declined as he was uncomfortable expressing pro-German sentiment while living in a country that was at war with Germany. If anything there's quite a bit of argument he had rather unintentionally "racist" views.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_and_raceAlso reminds me, Dennis Wheatley is a great author why was very conservative
>>540129257Congratulations, this is one of the only compelling rebuttals in the thread so far, even if it's just one dude and Apocalypto and Passion were 20 years ago
Why would they make art. That's dangerous.
>>540129488>In his personal life, he was anti-racist both in peacetime and during the two World Wars.literally the third line of your link
>>540120586>without appealing to figures from the distant past?No one can make great art then
>>540129497>compelling rebuttalsAccording to who? lmfao we don't need your approval
>>540129610
>>540120586Yes. Similarly, I can refute >Women can't make great artBut I do not want to do so here as I don't want the (already popular and well-known) artists in question to embroiled in sperg-drama.I don't know why this bipartisan meme came up that 'X' or 'Y' can't make Art, Art, at very high levels, is made by exceptions who hardly belong to any group but will 'identify' with a group for other reasons etc.If anyone was serious about improving quality it would begin with genuine development of the senses required to enjoy whatever medium they wanted to focus on.
>>540129661Woman are much more conservative than men. So they dare not making anything remotely challenging the status quo
>>540120586>the dissident right is responsible for the creation and direction of all online political culture How fucking dumb are you?
Art reflects the elite.There's no such thing as a nation or culture being artistically represented by anti-establishment popular art. Even the U.S.A., a nation that has spread subversive art throughout the world, did not do so because this art was anti-establishment, but precisely because the American cultural elite is Jewish. The subversive nature of Americans art is merely a representation of their cultural elite.At American universities, 90% of professors are "left-wing", compared to only 10% who are "right-wing". In an environment where the intellectual elite is so biased, it's impossible for artists to be right-wing. Anyone who thinks otherwise has absolutely no idea how the dynamics of the elitist art world work.
>>540129661>Women can't make great artThe Matrix is a masterpiece
>>540120586If the left is suppose to be the "creative" side, how come they've still not learnt how to meme after a decade?And I'm totally serious, how come most leftists is unable to grasp the concept of a meme?
>>540129723>the dissident right is responsible for the creation and direction of all online political culture>online political culture fucking sucks
Let me guess, Gone With the Wind doesn't count because it won an Oscar and it can't be "right wing" if it was successful?
>>540129870The left can't meme is a leftist meme
>>540129660
Because leftist memes are fake posting as right wing. You wouldn't understand.
>>540120586sam hyde
>>540120586The leftoid artists are busy scribbling out fursonas and pedo art, in a hurry to reboot every franchise with female gender-swapped leads. What great art is it that they're making again?
>>540129870>>540129908this was a pretty good and effective meme
>>540130021>the left makes pro-vance memesReally?
>>540126586You need to explicitly define if you're considering pop music to be great art. If you're going to say that Cardi B and Taylor Swift count as left wing art then Kid Rock also counts but if Kid Rock doesn't then I won't think any Billboard Hot 100 artists should count, either.If he counts then All Summer Long is right wing art.
>>540120586No good art they say... Well behold PicRel.
>>540130021You mean the meme they forced and then JD vance embraced it and it made them even more mad?
>>540129870They can't meme because they're always walking on eggshells.When even the slightest miscalculation can brand you a heretic, and when your secular religion (leftism) is the only thing you have that can be considered a "virtue", your ability to make scathing criticism is completely stifled.Note that there are other "categories" that are also unable meme. Corporations and government agencies, for example, when they try, 99% of the time end up with something that feels completely forced and doesn't "catch on". They, too, are walking on eggshells, for different reasons.
>>540130021True
>>540129983Sam is a huge faggot, and hasn't been funny since he started taking gear.
>>540128793Tolkien not being leftist doesn't makes him right-wing lmaoGringos are fucking in the head
>>540130002Right here. All the subjects of those reboots? Maybe not made by "conservatives" in the 2026 sense, but probably made by some normal ass dudes who have potentially by now become conservative in the face of being replaced or his daughters being raped by indians or niggers
>>540129887Ok you want mainstream examples. Passion of the Christ, Sound of Freedom, Citizen Vigilante. And they were successful without any help (active suppression in the cases of Passion and SoF) from the hollywood jews.
>>540130196>Conservatives>Not walking on eggshellsLolled and called
kys nigger
>>540127652You need to define your parameters. Anon just tried to say Pop Music counted as left wing art then when he remembered Kid Rock he was like: "wait, but the right wing ones don't count." Which is really your entire play.I would even argue Iron Man (2008) is right wing art
>>540120586Olof Hanvark, Odd Nerdrum andThe reason why right can't make great art is their traditionalism. Art essentially is progressive; it tends to be imaginary and innovative more than logical and conventional. That's why only far right is the only right wing category that can make great art.
>>540130198i dont know enough about his career to speak otherwise, i'm just saying he's a pretty easy refutation to reach for. his fantano diss tracks were funny.
You're gonna tell me nervous ass conservatives who take 10 seconds pauses during conversations to think out entire sentences alone and visibly wince at eye contact are brave creators
>>540129153Just post an example, if it where so common, they should have clandestine art, the fucking Jews could do it in WW2, why can't chidas do it on the internet times?>JapanASS art JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJ
>>540120586nobody can make great art. not right or left. because youre all niggers. your only inspiration is niggers. today people are as distant from arts as theyre from the distant past. to learn art you have to go back to a white time before kikes& niggers.
>>540130302Meant to include V.S. Naipaul, my bad
>>540120586fuck off Zionist Jew-coded piece of shit
>>540130139Folklore alone mogs the entirety of Cardi B and Kid Rock's discographies
>>540120586Are radical liberals now bragging about having their art astroturfed by their jewish publishers?
>>540130203When I hear the Shire theme I feel the urge to fight for me land
>>540120586even this faggot admits Matt Pike is the greatest musician alive and he's a Nazi apparently
>>540128735You also have to argue that they were progressive for their time. Where did they advocate for the acceptance of non-White ethnics to be given citizenship/welfare, homosexuality, or women's suffrage. That's what progressivism is. It's not "just progress in general" like I've seen argued before, it's specifically making progress on those issues. If they didn't support those then they weren't progressive.
>>540130302>The reason why right can't make great art is their traditionalism. Art essentially is progressive; it tends to be imaginary and innovative more than logical and conventional.And yet Bach is still the most respected composer of all time
>>540130203Have you read The LotR trilogy? It's pretty clear that Tolkien had a pretty conservative view on life and family. He definitely wasn't a redical liberal like modern "leftists"
>>540129983>>540130198he's gotten significantly less funny the more seriously right-wing he's gotten
>>540130458Apparently so
>>540129548Yes, and if you read the article that's an assumption based on him being uncomfortable with publicly endorsing Hitler while being a British citizen who lived in Britain. There is no additional evidence for this, they're using that one letter where he politely declined to publicly endorse his ideology to mean he must've been a heckin ally
>>540129153> Much of Japan still makes genuinely worthwhile artNo they don't. As someone who keeps up with anime when you remove the E cup 16 year olds you will realize there is literally nothing of value there.
very little great art has been created post-ww2 though, wonder why. ironically it was the marxist critical theorists who warned that art would be degenerated through mass consumption, and they weren't entirely wrong.
>>540130220Passion of the Christ is the only one of those that even remotely qualifies as great art. I will admit that, and I'm not even a Christian.
>>540130458One more
>>540130611Never looked at it that way, but it's kind of true. I wouldn't say he's gotten "more" right wing, but definitely more invested in politics. Like he was making skits making fun of gays/trannies and dissing jews for a long time.I think the getting more invested in politics also has to do with the gear, as it happened around the same time.
Why is he assuming all his favorite rappers are left wing?
>>540120586>who made WoW? the left>who destroyed WoW? the left...wtf lol
>>540120586> Can you refute thisDo you know that the Renaissance is?
>>540120586Any worthwhile art I can think of was made by people that would be considered "problematic" today. Can anyone name any woke art that is worth anything?
>>540120586>Can you refute this without appealing to figures from the distant past?Mel GibsonNow kill yourself
>>540130281My argument was that Kid Rock didn't count as great art, not that Kid Rock didn't count as right wing art. I was actually openly citing Kid Rock as right wing art. Or at least art made by a right-winger. >I would even argue Iron Man (2008) is right wing artA. Is Jon Favreau a right-winger? That's the point here. B. How is the first Iron Man right-wing? It's basically anti-war, anti-MIC, etc. in ways that might not inherently be left-wing but I could certainly see a leftist writing it.
>>540130251Conservatism doesn't even exist in the US anymore. This ideology was subverted by Jews more than 50 years ago, giving rise to neoconservatism. You know, those guys talking about "Judeo-Christian ideals" and defending anything that benefits Israel, even when it clearly goes against American interests.In any case, the people making memes mocking the liberal establishment's worldview aren't necessarily "conservatives," nor even "neocons"; they're just people who see that the emperor has no clothes. Like the child in the fable, they are the people who aren't part of the "game", and so they can point out reality without fear.
>>540130220Jesus christ if you think "citizen vigilante" was "suppressed" by jews, you are the exact type of goyim the movie was made for. That movie was pure jew indoctrination. Who the fuck do you think created the mass migration situation we have in the west today? Muslims? I didn't know there were muslims in power at the time. Kikes pushed for all this mass migration in order to create hatred in the western youth towards muslims, so that they will be more likely to support wars of aggression in the middle east. This movie is just helping to direct the youths anger in the "right" direction.Notice how the citizen vigilante never goes after the jewish NGO that you can trace all this mass migration back to? Or even the politicians. He strictly went after the lowly migrants themselvs. EXACTLY how the jews want you to feel.And this is why goyim are slaves... Because people like you are too fucking retarded to see the obvious agenda behind this shit.
>>540120586Conservatives don't value art. They don't put their money where their mouth is on either preserving things like operas or creating new stuff.They don't value it. They don't learn it. They don't want to pay market rates for it. They aren't interested in cultivating taste, so their projects end up schlocky. They don't even consume the classics.
>>540129208The part time artists at the farmer's market selling their paintings of hunting dogs in boots and big titty Indian maidens are generally 150% chud, and often have real artistic skill. And yet this is kitsch, while a glorified decorator like Maya Lin who writes an order to have 4 stones polished and arranged in a square is considered artistic. It's bullshit. And meanwhile OP asks "y no chud art" but the ensuing thread can't get past blockbuster movies, video games, and jap fucktoons. Why no art? Why no market.
>>540130924Military industrial complex and war are not right wing Ideas. Traditional conservatism emphasizes smaller government, and not having a concentration of power.MIC and constant wars are jewish, neocon ideas.
>>540130611>>540130924>>540130670>>540130433>>540130021Hey kike.This discussion is over.Only White men can make art, that jewish shit you kike cowards push as "art" is not art. Hence, jewish golems like the leftcannotmakeart
>>540120586What art have leftists made which is objectively beautiful and timeless? I think we live in a profoundly artless time and its not even about what politics you have. In 50-100 years what leftist art will be remembered?
>>540130924elvis, michale jackson, mel gibson, johnny cash.
>>540120586What would be the "great art" from the left today in that case?
>>540131130>>540120586First piece of "art" that comes to mind from this current century (since 2000) as being a msterpiece that will go down in history is 'The LotR' trilogy movies. A jewish creation, surely, but based on a traditional white mans books.
>>540131130Hazbin Hotel and Digital Circus are the peak of current art
>>540130661>very little great art has been created post-ww2 thoughApocalypse NowThe GodfatherLawrence of ArabiaVertigo Psycho2001: A Space Odyssey Dr. Strangelove Once Upon a Time in the WestSchindler's List (deal with it lol)One Flew Over the Cuckoo's NestWALL-EThe SearchersAmadeusThe Third ManThe Good, The Bad, and the UglyThe Silence of the LambsNo Country for Old MenThere Will be BloodThe Wild BunchThe Deer HunterPaul Blart: Mall Cop 2
>>540120586>First off, the quote is referring to the presentlol. lmao
>>540131294Film isn't an art form, despite pretensions otherwise.
>>540130709it's more the seriousness and self-righteous preachiness of itlike he clearly wants to be taken as an actual political pundit at times now
>>540131294All your kike movies suck unless they are adapted from a white/asian mans story. All the good movies on that list came from a book.Actually amadeus was pretty good.Also I hope you die in an automobile wreck, kike.
>>540120586Tech N9ne/Strange Music. He gave Anons a shout-out in "Aw Yeah?">"Aphotic Echo", Steve Grant
>>540131001most american conservatives would call opera gay
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>>540131492Its true.
>>540131261That is an imitation though, its not an artistic creation of the leftist mind, you can see the leftist LOTR series that Amazon has created and its not good, thats actually a far more original product
>>540131391Exactly. I remember being stoned, and laughing hard at the Kirk video where he said his murder was the start of a civil war in the US. Like he actually thought the Charlie Kirk killing was some huge, status quo ending event. What a moron.
>>540131294WALL-E is the only one on that list that won't be outlasted by Halo and Genshin Impact and that also isn't overrated slop.
>>540131001>Conservatives don't value art.In fact, they do value it, and you'll find plenty of books and other materials where they explain why art is important and what its role is, from a conservative perspective.It turns out that, as I mentioned in another post, conservatism has been out of fashion in the U.S. since at least 1960, when the Jews pulled another one of their stunts, subverting British-style conservatism and transforming it into that Zionist travesty known as neoconservatism.In fact, this is a common trait in Jewish "collaboration" with the West. They take rational, well-founded ideas and turn them into the purest intellectual garbage, which serves absolutely no purpose other than to defend collective Jewish interests.
>>540127416>Iraq war is……le good>game has a pulp sci-fi b-movie plotWow how amazing.
>>540120586>people actively shunned, threatened and impirsoned have no platformwoah, its like you never hear of them because you cut all channels of them lmaoif i think of leftist art i see a dying industry hence why games are 5 times more profitable and everyone played 6+ yo games before your woke virus took effectevery other media is flopping hard even fast nigger speechif anything leftists are good at killing art and everyone in the past worth a damn was conservative and had a platform hence why people speek about them for millenia while your dogshit you call art is only for money laundering and will be dead and forgotten in 2 more weeks faggot
>>540131547It's also the one with the right wing message.
>>540131601>Good thing that is remembered and loved is bad actuallyWow how amazing.
>>540131547The Godfather is basically a permanent part of Western pop culture at this point.
>>540131623>environmentalism>right-wing Don't tell American conservatives lol
>>540120586Provide examples of this "great art".
>52 posts by this idget a hobby, do some art you attention seeking pseudobaiting midwit
>>540131648among old people, yes. It's not sticking with the young.
>>540131706Conservation is conservative. The primary message of wally is that ease destroys, and people will offer you ease to gain power over you. That is very rightwing.
>>540120586why cant the right tout figures from the past when the left can only do demakes of their works? i dont remember the odyssey starting as a dissertation about trannyism
>>540130924I would say you don't need to be a right winger to make right wing art. The example The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance is a piece of modern art that I would say is both right wing art and great art and it was created accidentally by liberals.If the argument is great art I would say that there is almost no modern art that counts as Great Art. Though I would come Dark Crystal, which is right wing.>>540130433It's alright but not great art if that's our criteria now. I feel like Anon is moving goalposts from art in general to recent art to recent art that is also great art
>>540127654>gachashit Genuinely embarrassing dude. At least halo was a good game. Like I can appreciate it for what it is. Genshin……..is total slop. Dismal gameplay, story, graphics and sound design all wrapped up in in a CCP approved gacha package.
>>540120586Yeah, the left can’t make great art either. Tell me one great piece of leftist art, and no I don’t mean the painting of an aborted fetus that your mom made with her menstrual blood after you were born.
>>540131856I'm surprised you didn't also call me a wumao, goy. Bit half-assed there, don't you think?
>>540131812It's also we need to save the planet from climate change. Are you going to argue that Greta Thunberg is a right-winger now?
>>540131540Well I mean first of all it's not "leftist". The books, and movies are quite conservative. The Amazon show is what happens when have radical liberals make a show, and let them desecrate the source material/invent new stuff.The peter jackson films are what you get when you let a normal group of talented goys and jews make a film that deeply respects the source material
>>540131926Climate change is an obvious hoax. Environmental movements are traditionally right wing.
>>540131854>The example The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance is a piece of modern art that I would say is both right wing art and great art and it was created accidentally by liberals.I would say the same for The Dark Knight to some extent.
>>540132000>Climate change is an obvious hoaxLet me guess. So was polio and every other disease that vaccines have annihilated.
>>540120586Most video games and comics from 1980 to 2016 were created by chuddy goy bros. Still is that way in spite of them being forced out of the industry. There's a lot of chuddy conservative writers, too. Many times you might have a great artist who happens to be a leftist but that's not the focus of his art, which tends speak to a shared human experience rather than fleeting political takes. Most artists fundamentally conservative in the sense that their goal is to refine their own culture into something which persists throughout time, rather than spreading an ideology across the planet.
>>540120586The left isn't making great art anymore either, as American culture has become a dumbed down version of nigger ghetto culture. The top selling musical artists in America are1. rappers2. country music3. Espanol musicSo the argument can definitely be made that too much liberal influence on a country ruins creative output and results in a dead art scene where worthy art isn't produced at all. Humans create art as an escape from their real surroundings, and when a society is numbed by psych meds, oversaturated with entertainment options and information, and glued to the internet, art suffers and eventually dies. The future of American art is Spanish music, gang graffiti, RIP murals on walls, and other ornaments of the third world void.
>>540132118No. But the polio vaccine provably did not end polio. If that fact mystifys you, go do some reading.
>>540127814>it’s right wing because….. i-i-it owned capeshitKinda pathetic but I don’t know anything about it.
>>540132199>Most artists fundamentally conservative in the sense that their goal is to refine their own culture into something which persists throughout time, rather than spreading an ideology across the planet.Good point
>>540132300>Kinda pathetic but I don’t know anything about it.I don't even have to say anything, just quoting you is enough to win.
>>5401205860/10
ITT: truly unfathomable amounts of weebshit
>>540120586whats his name i forgot, there is one guy on the right that does an ok job at it. off course the rest of artists are all left, this is a given.you cant be an artist and be a nazi, this doesnt work.
>>540130924> How is the first Iron Man right-wing? Easy:1. Tony is a chauvinist. This is portrayed as endearing and even if it irritates those around him he's objectively correct.2. Tony is a billionaire and him bring a billionaire that uses his money on his own flights of fancy is portrayed as objectively being better for the world than of be redistributed his wealth 3. Tony makes and manufactures weapons of war and is pro-military and pro-imperialist4. Tony is a womanizer. This is portrayed as endearing.5. Tony takes advantage of his power dynamic over Pepper to make her launder his various paramours clothing and taxi then home and then seduces and beds her. This is portrayed as endearing and a good thing. 6. Tony flies to a foreign nation and commits an act of war in violation of the Geneva convention. This is portrayed as a good thing 7. Tony is anti-NATO (in the first two movies) and is pro small government, no regulations, and prob second amendment up to and including private ownership of home made weapons of mass destruction. This is portrayed as an objectively good and correct thing. 8. Tony is transphobic and makes fun of Rhodey for flirting with what he's pretty sure was a crossdresser while drunk. This is portrayed as a good thing.9. Tony generally is a masculine guy that spends his time working on muscle cars, listening to rock music, drinking, and banging supermodels while being problematic
>>540120586Most good art is made by conservatives. Conservativism is centrist but modern progressive retardation considers it rightwing because they act like every delusion they have is a century's truth that is receiving pushback exclusively from reactionaries. If you look deep enough you'll find conservative beliefs behind most of the great artists. Even shit like Hollywood is often half and half between progressives and conservatives. Conservatives just don't often voice their opinions anymore due to years of progressive terror and the docile nature of conservativism. Go back a couple decades and you'll find outspoken conservative beliefs everywhere in art. Conservativism has always been the view of the majority and thus is a great share of the artists.
>>540132457cry about it tastelet
>>540132457They're the only artist other than furries who aren't shoe-horning dykes into everything
>>540120586My favorite living writer is a rightoid
>>540131001Because we’re too busy working and paying your bills for you, you absolute parasite. You want us to make art? Lay off the pot and get a fucking job. Stop importing an endless army of foreign grifters. Stop simping for everything with a pussy and a pulse long enough to realize that you’re a pawn of an international financial cabal hell-bent on enslaving anyone who even remotely represents a threat to their rule. But you don’t want that, do you? You want the endless flow of ‘neet-bux’ so that you can continue to pursue the desperate dream of one day ‘selling’ your gay poetry for food. You want your marijuana and your shrooms and your loose blue-haired roasties with daddy-issues. You want it easy, but easy doesn’t produce anything meaningful, does it? That’s why your comics are garbage, your movies are cancer, your music is noise pollution, and your books are Mormon-smut. There’s more passion behind a 2-minute Black Templars fanisode by some sweaty teenager with 2 hours of experience in Blender than your biggest ‘blockbuster’ projects. You know it too, that’s why you spend so much time infiltrating and latching on to right-wing spaces. That’s why you spend so much time trying to trick us into creating for you. Because to a crook the best art is always someone else’s. It’s why you’re here.
is his name horsey? yea thats the only guy.
>>540120586Show me some examples of that great art you guys are always talking about, but please no modern women menstruating on a blank canvas and larping as if it's "art".
>>540132118Those diseases were eliminated by indoor plumbing resulting in higher hygiene standards then when people had to wash in the river or using a bucket from a well
>>540120586>Can you refute this without appealing to figures from the distant past?I do not exist by your standards. I have written 16 choose your own adventures. All art sans a few years is Right-Wing because the Left pushes the Overton window.
artists grow up with all kinds of people going to good schools first. none of us is a racist or has problems with trannies like you guys always have.
>>540132528Marvel has a surprising amount of rightwing productions whether intentional or not. Multiverse of Madness was essentially mocking woke shit during its peak including having an entire woke superhero team slaughtered by a White woman who just wanted to be a mother. It was pretty obvious the director was maliciously complying with executive requests. The new Spiderman had an evil black guy in it and a joke using crossdressing as mockery. I could go on more but the point is that it is still there even in modern stuff which is surprising. Even Black Panther basically made BLM beliefs out to be destructive and chaotic while a conservative king was the hero.
now the entire bread is flooded by some dumb fucks who dont even know what drawing or painting is.
>>540132341Thanks, Anon. I've been thinking about that a lot. > What does it mean to be conservative and what would be its complement? I think society lives and breathes, adapts to the world in accordance with two fundamentally different types of men. Temporal men, who look inward to refine their culture to stand the test of time, and spatial men who spread their culture to new horizons. Both must exist for a society to adapt to a changing world. The spatial impulse discovers new possibilities, while the temporal impulse tests, refines, and preserves what proves enduring. When either dominates, society drifts toward pathology—either relentless disruption or paralyzing stagnation. My concern is that contemporary Western culture has become disproportionately spatial, weakening the institutions that preserve civilizational memory. If that diagnosis is correct, the task is not to eliminate the spatial impulse, but to restore a balance in which preservation and innovation once again temper one another.
this is useless.
yea we all want to know your worthless opinions.
>>540131642I enjoy Halo but it’s just about why we should go to war in Iraq. Still a classic
>>540132528>Tony is a chauvinist. This is portrayed as endearing and even if it irritates those around him he's objectively correct.Fate itself literally humbles him for this shit >Tony is a billionaire and him bring a billionaire that uses his money on his own flights of fancy is portrayed as objectively being better for the world than of be redistributed his wealthOnce again, only after his change of heartHe is explicitly a negative force in the world before that>Tony makes and manufactures weapons of war and is pro-military and pro-imperialistOkay, I'm not going to repeat myself for every one of these. Tony is supposed to be a hero despite his character flaws because that makes him an interesting character and a contrast to someone like Captain America. That doesn't mean everything about him is good. It's also kind of telling that you find a narcissistic hedonistic asshole to be a right-wing self-insert.
>>540132457Not really, that is a 'made for global audience' product from China. Also quite funny because it is certainly made by 'x'-wingers. But /v/ and /vg/ are the easiest place for marketers to rape since most of the anons just want friends/to fit in.
>>540132590Lol
>>540120586mental illness correlates with creativity. I've no need to refute it.
>>540132543This. ‘Conservatism’ is just anyone with pattern recognition attempting to tell others there’s a hole in the boat and we need to start bailing. It’s been branded ‘right-wing’ the same way challenging the public hypothesis will brand you a ‘conspiracy theorist’. ‘Woke’ originally meant you were aware of ‘subtle’ corporate manipulations, and it was twisted into a left-wing concept. It only works because we are trapped within the confines of a vast, unthinking herd of consooomers. ex- “Durr of course they can change the definition of vaccine and immunity, they’re the heckin’ experts”.
>>540130635>>540130705Kek this.OP wants us to talk about contemporary right wing art only, but I bet he'd be embarrassed if he had to defend contemporary left wing art.I can't remember a single woke / overtly left-wing video game that wasn't a steaming pile of turd.
>>540133147Conservativism is creating the hole, then complaining about the hole, preventing people from fixing the hole while complaining that nobody is fixing the hole that they've known was a hole all along
There's incredibly great classic and traditional music. Churchs and all religious groups will have significant talent pools. I think>The Right can't make mainstream artis a more fitting claim
>>540132967China does akshually have some good stuff, although I have not seen great yet. But similar to products from any region, the most popular is rarely the best.As importantly, Chinese investors have done an excellent job in not meddling with the artists they invest into, and the government has been fair about this too (not applying their own laws to foreign markets that local companies are technically selling to.) The West should learn from this rather than trying to force their morality everywhere.
I'm an autist. I never developed these faculties. I was more of a neet. Still, I have met others. See, the thing is that an autist is bewitched with a certain Spirit to consume media, then make some. So the right isn't very conductive. I wouldnt call myself an artist though. What do I do? Write stuff.Write music. Play my instrument. Dump money into audio stuff? Idk, it's one of these words. I play an instrument, not work it, the word is betrayful of my intentions.
>The Right can't make great artThat's implying this wasn't great art. Nowadays you just have shitty imitations. We will never understand the true lolz.
>>540132959You can't use the other movies to impose a message on what at the time was a standalone movie with no certainty of a sequel. You can't even say that he needed to get his head out of the sand and realize there were bigger problems in the world because the villain turns out to just be his business partner they wants all the stocks and creative decisions for himself so they literally duel to the death over it like it's the wild West. The only reason you don't want to engage in detail is because you know you can't refute it so you're trying to deflect.
>>540120586>First off, the quote is referring to the present.Present day leftists can't make art either.
>>540133300I'm using the same movieI'm referring to his ordeal in captivity
>>540120586What about this gem?:https://youtu.be/CsA3d4oNQoE?si=vVkBHs2sxzIbLFj6You spend your life on welfare linesOr looking for handoutsWhy don't you go find a jobYou birth more kids to up your checksSo you can buy more drugsCash in food stamps and get drunkUncle Sam takes half my paySo you can live for freeI got a family and bills to payNo one hands money to meYou can go to school for nothingGot that government grantGet money in advanceWhen you're sick from shooting upMedicaid pays full portionWhen little Maria gets knocked upShe gets a free abortionUncle Sam takes half my paySo you can live for freeI got a family and bills to payNo one hands money to meYou can go to school for nothingGot that government grantGet money in advanceWhen you're sick from shooting upMedicaid pays full portionWhen little Maria gets knocked upShe gets a free abortionHow come it's minorities who cryThings are too toughOn TV with their gold chainsClaim they don't have enoughI say make them clean the sewersDon't take no resistanceIf they don't like it go to hellAnd cut their public assistanceThe cover art too is right wing as it depicts basedface libs, one being victimized by a negro criminal. In all seriousness though any musician with right wing views with actual talent is probably going to keep his views to himself. You’re going to alienate well over half the potential audience (young people in larger cities) and risk getting your career blackballed by promoters, clubs, and loud screeching liberals. Agnostic front had to disavow the above song by saying they were too high on PCP at the time to write music or lyrics so they payed Peter Steele from Type O Negative to write the whole album. Steele for his part says he stands by the lyrics, but Agnostic Front told him the concept and what to write about and he just executed and filled in the details. No one alive in hard rock/alt today with hope of any kind of career beyond niche backyard/basement shows would think about being rw
>>540132835I'm sorry I wish I could reciprocate your effort post but my attention is split between multiple things right now. Just know that I generally agree with you, but my observations are more focused on the hyper specialization of most professions, further divided by how physically involving and emotionally fulfilling their work is. White collar leftists notoriously struggle with lack a sense of lived experience and a genuine sense of identity.
>>540120643Hey Batman, Owlman here.We're doing alright. I'm drunk before 3 PM.Gonna commit some crimes later.
>>540133779We?
>>540134327You DON'T hear the voices?
>>540134405I'm the ghost in the back of your head
Almost all great artists up until perhaps fifty years ago would be considered Nazis by today's standards. I'm completely serious.
I hope this faggot walks in front of train.
>>540134913Voltaire>but he hated jewsThen he'd fit right in with the Left lol
>>540134913ThisKurt Cobain had to regularly defend his art even in his time, people called him a rapist because of Polly etc
>>540120586I see art on this website daily
>>540135216how much of that "art" has tails?
Continuing: I'd guess that the vast majority of Japanese game designers are exceedingly conservative or nationalistic by modern American standards. And just how do you define "art" anyway? If your definition is some urban hippie faggot who self-identifies as an "artist," then yeah, they're all leftists.
>>540120586>considered right-wing if they were dropped into the modern dayThat means they are conservative.
>>540133495He doesn't really learn anything from that, though, other than he needs to build a personal weapon that he can carry with him that would protect him from the equivalent of a SWAT team. He starts to flirt with the idea of being self appointed sheriff of all global conflict, but then he realizes Jeff Bridges was behind the attack and diverts his attention to him. He's pretty much the same character at the end of the movie that he was at the beginning, he just learns to start building robot suits instead of only missiles by the end.
>>540135497We remember the movie differently then I definitely recall him becoming a different person after that experience, even if he superficially pretends otherwise in public
>>540120586>>540135493Honestly this is a great point everyone kind of brushed past. Why would it matter if they were considered progressive for their time (doubt) if conservatives of this time could be sent back there and allegedly be considered progressive for that time? It would only be relevant if the silent implication that they would also be progressive today were true, which it likely isn't since many Anons were progressive leaning until they saw where it was headed and changed course
>>540135660Yes, plus its a very western thing. Most countries are way more conservative, anti gay, anti immigration, racists. Does Anthony not like any music from the middle east? or south America? Those people are way more conservative, I just think they can't accept that the overton window has moved waaaay further to the left, where you have guys like Charlie Kirk cheering on gay sex laws being abolished in other countries, thats how liberal we all are now. Its not the norm the world over though.
>>540135660I've had this argument with reddit commies before. The founding fathers of the USA were the progressives of their time. They were building a nation in which a Dutch Protestant can live as neighbors next to a Spanish Catholic and prosper in peace and friendship. Even as Spain occupies Dutch lands in Europe and abroad. To a leftist, that seems rather narrow. But to anyone else who actually gives respect to history, it is a profound thought.
>>540135577O.K. I still say regardless of why character growth he may or may not have experienced he would still be conservative at the end based on his characterization in Iron Man 2 and even Avengers and arguably Iron Man 3, as well. It's not until Age of Ultron where he starts getting really paranoid and questioning his beliefs leading to him going full GloboHomo in Civil War, which was ridiculous as based on his past characterization it would've made way more sense for him to oppose the Accords and Rogers to support them.
>>540135660Because conservatism is fundamentally about conserving what currently is or reclaiming what recently was. There is no separating a conservative's values from the prevailing culture they've been brought up in. That is fundamentally different from someone from the past who was anti-tradition for their time period, even if they were right wing by today's standards. Conservatives are pro-tradition, period. They will defend whatever tradition because it's their tradition.
>>540135868>Does Anthony not like any music from the middle east?Does anyone?
>>540135889They also want to play the semantics game to obfuscate the fact that they're truly just political extremists. I.e. they believe all the good in the world is housed in them and that all of the bad in the world is housed in those they disagree with. They just cover it up with playing on the word progressive to mean: "if things improved in any way that means it was progressive because it was progress and progress is good so it means it agrees with me because I'm good." Just like how Hitler was an unironic socialist but because they view him as the ultimate evil they can never admit they agreed on anything and he's the ultimate example of what being a conservative is.
>>540120586Fartano wouldnt know talent if it shit in his mouth
>>540136147lol
>>540136068No, conservativism is about "resisting rapid change" it basically says that you shouldn't rush into this willy nilly and take your time, to be cautious. That's why being physically conservative means to be frugal and not get carried away with spending our committing to new expenses, instead making small incremental changes over time, which is what puts them at odds with liberals who want to gush tax dollars towards welfare and social programs, many of which they must thought to yesterday. It's entirely possible to be a left wing conservative as well as to be a liberal/radical right winger. In fact, most of what Anons advocate for here: "mass deportations, repelling the Hart Cellar and Civil Rights Acts, enacting segregation, ending women's suffrage, etc" are too radical and rapid paced to be considered conservative at all, even if it would be a return to tradition or past legislation. It's incorrect to use conservative as synonymous with right wing, just as it's incorrect to use liberal as synonymous with left wing though it's possible to criticize conservativsm and liberalism for it's overarching tendencies despite where it falls in the right/left dichotomy.This used to be common knowledge, but you (often liberal) leftists love your Orwellian tactics of rewriting history and the definition of words because when it's all laid bare your agenda and beliefs tend to be flawed and unpopular.Source:https://web.archive.org/web/20031204064756/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism
>>540120586I just thought of 3 objectively great right wing songs. OP utterly BTFO:https://youtu.be/yiMvz6ZFVsQ?si=vZZcUHbg105rRQwxhttps://youtu.be/Wzh1u1-IHN0?si=5cJSgReiS-48eWzShttps://youtu.be/bRIJj27lO84?si=zJweuxigKtyqqScUIf you disagree it is just libtarded sour grapes OP. These should all have been #1 hits but the you know who-ish media wanted to prop up niggerslop dance tracks, or suicideslop grunge, or wiggerslop Bizkit numetal, or trannyslop guns n roses instead.
>>540135891>it would've made way more sense for him to oppose the Accords and Rogers to support them.I'm pretty sure they explicitly bring this upRogers just went through the whole "SHIELD was actually Hydra" thing though
>>540136068also
>>540120586Total Kike Death can't come soon enough
>>540132590I'm still racist but I will admit these little gooks are growing on me
>>540136877> Rather, the conservative embraces an attitude that is deeply suspicious of any attempt to remake society in the service of any ideology or doctrine, whether that doctrine is libertarian, socialist, or developed from some other source. They see history as being full of disastrous schemes that seemed like good ideas at the time. Human society is something rooted and organic; to try to prune and shape it according to the plans of an ideologue is to invite unforeseen disaster. Conservatism is more of a mindset than a doctrine. It is ad hoc by necessity. It is easier to say what it is not, than to define it. Russell Kirk's The Conservative Mind envisions a conservatism that is as hostile to the levelling wrought by the market economy as it is to the plans of socialists and social reformers.See, conservatives aren't what you say that are, you're just playing semantics games again. What that are: is being opposed to any ideology or group that wants to massively remake society based on their beliefs or manifesto, instead being open to the idea of trying new things but wanting to roll them out in a measured and controlled manner so if any unintended downsides become apparent they can easily be reversed and you don't have to worry about innocents slipping through the cracks or getting caught in the crossfire. This obviously earns them the ire of crackpots and deceivers because they want to completely redo everything, silence any complaints by saying "there will be some growing pains just sit tight while it settles" then say: "no, it's too late now, you should've said something earlier it would be too much work to go back to the other way" followed by: "there was never another way, it was always like this and the other way is impossible. Anyone who says we used to do it that way is lying."
>>540137302that's how it starts, anonsoon you'll be questioning if Hitler was the bad guy after all
>>540130950>”(active suppression in the cases of Passion and SoF)”Is English not your first language, saar?
>>540137359The stages of media cope follow a similar pattern when they're trying to cover something up and/or gaslight the public>#1: No. That's not happening, that's a conspiracy theory.>#2: Okay. It might be happening. But how does it even really affect you?>#3: Yes. It is happening and here's why it's a good thing.
>>540120586What about all the religious art found in churches that have been preserved today? In Spain? In Russia? Andrei Rublev? and what about First Person shooting games like Call of Duty etc, war games etc, or Opera that people go to see in the fancy part of your city, your a fucking moron for thinking all art has to be political in some way,
>>540120586What about architecture? Paintings in a museum? Or Opera? Or video games like Call of Duty? Mel Gibson? Clint Eastwood? Or people who are masters at playing a musical instrument? Why are you saying all art has to be political some way or left wing? You’re a fucking retard.
>>540137751Redditors ask extremely niche questions and then selectively disqualify every good answer that is not to their liking.>pro tip: there is no answer that is to their liking
>>540137751>Why are you saying all art has to be political some way or left wing?I didn't say that. "The Right can't make great art" doesn't mean that only left-wing people can make great art. Apolitical or whatever else people can too. The point is that conservatives, and truly it's especially current American conservative Republicans, cannot. Like no one who explicitly and proudly identifies with the Republican Party is making great art.
>>540132649In reality, you don't care about patronizing the arts. It's amazing what patronage can do the political bent of any group. Look at how the UFC fighters are some of the most publicly right-leaning athletes. The man that signs their paychecks is in deep with the GOP, so it behooves them to openly conform to American conservative platitudes (even the foreign fighters deliver muh Jesus speeches that boxers wouldn't).Sign the fucking check, and maybe you'd get conservative art. But as soon as you see the hourly rates of even a Hollywood gaffer, you throw a tantrum. Which is why the DWs movies and other conservaslop look like shit. You balk at the market rates of professionals, hire the inexperienced and incompetent to do the job, and have to pretend it doesn't look like ass.
>>540138086You purposely drive the rates up so no one else can do it.
