>Elon Musk just confirmed he wants to get rid of source codeYes. We are reaching levels of mental retardation never seen before. Basically he proposes to make human engineers totally blind. Because he is not even suggesting to remove a couple of layers of abstraction like the high level langs, medium level, or the Assembly. Not even the ABI or the linker object (.o).What he proposes apparently is using an LLM to hard-code directly into the binary skipping the compilation stage.I wonder if he really understands what a binary even is (this only confirms he has never written a "hello wolrd" but only saw others doing it for him) . Because this idiotic idea that many people think about binary being just machines speaking 1s and 0s is only theorical. This doesn't happen like that. A binary of 1s and 0s doesn't even exist. This is just an interpretation but when you extract the content of a "binary" (ELF file) you will get a representation in hexadecimal. But again just a representation since going deeper what determines a binary's content is the logical gates inside the chipsets and the electrical properties of the semiconductor.So TL;DR:1. If you don't get a representation of it in high level, regular people will be separated from the internals of the software2. if you don't get a representation in middle level, most engineers will be excluded.3. If you don't get a representation of the binary in low level or at least a decompiled extraction then all humans will be totally isolated from the ecosystem. So you will have to blindly trust everything the LLM spits no matter how sloppy or buggy it might look.Elon Musk's idea here is so retarded that I see a very low chance it's gonna happen anytime soon, but the fact that somebody who runs tech companies even suggests something like this only tells me how low humanity has fallen in this process of estupidification that we have been going through because of generative AI (Or should i say "degenerative AI")
Yup, it's pretty grim at the moment.
>>540139040This isn't anything new, and this has always what Elon has been hinting at whenever he talks about the future of AI.Replacing a traditional operating system with AI generation would mean that layer would need to be a hosted walled garden, requiring anyone that wants to use the platform to participate in their identity management, which would effectively kill online anonymity.The arguments about generation not being consistent or accurate are just problems that someone has to figure out tomorrow. The capability exists right now for a proof of concept. You could make the argument that Elon doesn't know wtf he's talking about but he's just envisioning the same shit any halfass CEO would, which is what can I make if I give AI more power and scale it out.
>>540139817That fucking kike.. "Not being a total monkey as a service" is what he suggests
>>540139040The idea is stupid but you're wrong about why. Writing code in pure assembly/binary causes portability issues.
>>540139040it's becoming clear software will eventually be written via high level requirements and design documentation which will also be AI curated.these drive test generation, and any machine language that satisfies the tests and requirements will be acceptable.you'd best stay out of it, microbrain. I'ts out of your league.
More doorman fallacy shit that will completely put us in the stone age in 100 years when nobody is a software engineer
>>540139040Elon Musk is an angel investor that is good at spotting companies that can get massive government contracts. None of his companies are profitable on the free market.He doesn't code.He had to hire someone to play POE2 for him and he got so asshurt about being instantly caught and called a fake gamer girl that he had his pajeets reprogram the X trending algo overnight to suppress it.I don't understand why anyone dickrides this retarded nigger.
>>540140934it's becoming clear that the biggest proponents of LLMs are people who fundamentally don't understand or even like technology, ironically enough
>>540139040>So you will have to blindly trust everything the LLM spits no matter how sloppy or buggy it might look.do you not trust your cyber antichrist saviour?
>>540139040Elon Musk has no clue what he's talking about and is a drug addicted retard that relies on paying others more talented than him to prop up his "epic nerd guy" image. Reddit bought it in the 2010s then abandoned it, he tried to pivot to Trumptards, he only has jeet fanboys still buying it.
>>540139040why can't AI just make things without human-readable code if it's AI?
>>540139040>leaning tower of endless layers of abstraction gets yet another layer of abstraction that 99.9% of programmers wouldn't have been able to tease out even before its additionWelcome to the shitshow retard, enjoy your stay.
>>540141396that's likely what elon is talking about, I think OP is just being a spazz
>>540139040There's a reason he got KWAB'd on self-driving by Waymo and the Chinese.
>>540141396>>540141504because no one should ever trust a program that cannot be verified... this is basic logic, not just computer science 101
>>540141563if everything is a generated output, then there is only one program which is the server side generator that is verified by (((someone thats not you)))
but how do you know that the compiler wrote everything right in the most efficient way, and that it didnt inject a virus into the code?someone should at least be able to verify that the compiler did it correctly.
This psycho is trying to create skynet from the terminator movies. He already made it clear that he prefers jeets to write his code, so he's also a race traitor who prefers money over folk.
>>540141007If he was honest about just being a business man. No problem even with retarded statements like this.But when you in addition larp as "technical person" without knowing shit about anything only to compensate for some small penis issue or whatever shit he does this for, that's when it's very problematic because you can move the investors in your retarded direction set a dangerous trend in the industry. It's important for people with money to understand that this guy doesn't know shit about engineering. He just rellies on an army of pajeets to built his products, so the markets should not react to his larps and shitpostings
>>540139040Elon is idiot. but reading/editing/deassembling binary always was a thingso LLM generated slop will be exploited, just he will wait for LLMs to patch security breaches without engineers involvedand that is stupid as hell
>>540139040His ideas about this are not unique, but highly rational. The source code layer is not required when humans stop interacting directly with the code. We essentially collaborate with the AI on a series of specifications that end up as working software. The LLM generates some form of optimized machine code, thus cutting out the middleman. Your bizarre schizobabble about ELF files is completely incomprehensible, and your worries about humans becoming blind to the generated program code are shortsighted and naive. In the future, there will be so much code written by LLMs that the mere volume will make it impossible to audit. It is inevitable. And the code, regardless of language, will end up convoluted and bizarre, as it is organically iterated thousands of times a day. Society will essentially center around a massive amount of dynamically changing ambient software. You are fighting a losing battle.>>540140790Not necessarily. There is no reason why platform-independent, optimized virtual machine bytecode couldn't be generated by an LLM. Also, an LLM can automatically convert code from one platform to another in a matter of seconds.
>>540139040>I see a very low chance it's gonna happen anytime soonMusk just can't stop humiliating himself.The whole point of compilers is to make programming easier and more efficient. There is no reason to believe this somehow doesn't apply to LLMs.You could try it out today. It's not hard to finetune an LLM on binary code. Just ask an LLM to do it and give it a couple of GPUs and see what comes out, probably shit.
>>540142231I don't trust AI to completely write the code. Also, software has been getting more bloated in recent years. My old computer running Win7 is in a lot of ways faster than even newer computers with top of the line hardware. More lines of code just adds complexity, and at the end of the day we had everything we needed with win7. If they were still updating the software that runs on it, we wouldn't even need win11.
>>540141007>He doesn't code.Didn't he have that story about coding at night to leave the server on during the day in the early days of the internet? I guess he debunked this now.
>>540141396>why can't AI just make things without human-readable code if it's AI?It can but it's not a good idea.
>>540142114Be careful with what you wish for Anon. You are dreaming for a "black-box" only to satisfy your laziness and you don't want that. The performance in C, Rust, C++ is good enough. But even if you are a cry-baby you still can go with ASM.
>>540142231>There is no reason why platform-independent, optimized virtual machine bytecode couldn't be generated by an LLM.This is true. Of course, you have to have someone write the virtual machine in the first place, but that's trivial.>Also, an LLM can automatically convert code from one platform to another in a matter of seconds.Bad for reproducibility.
>>540142231Why would AI write any code at that point? It only has to generate an output. This can be the UI, the video, etc. The idea of it generating code is to solve the immediate problem where speed/resources are limited. If that's not a factor, then there is no more code aside from the generator itself.
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>>540139040coders wont be needed anymore soon. basically it will be like generating pictures with the ai.thats all. ok you wasted your time now learning to code, so did i, but this is no problem.
>>540142235With a 100% accurate AI it would work. Of course, that's impossible. And nobody would have any form of debugging ability, so you'd be left praying the machine Warhammer 40k style that the AI spits out a working build.What worries me is I hear some engineers say similar things as Melon Husk. Thankfully, just like everything, that mania will come to pass, too. The question is after how much damage.
>>540142485If Terry was alive he would be ranting for 3 hours that Elon Musk is the Top Niggger that makes Linus Torvalds look Aryan.
>>540142405I code since Amiga 1200 and I did my share of dessembling or editing binaries certain games executables to skip certain verification back in the dayshell, it would be fun to see how quickly folks will find various holes in llm generated slopthe problem with llm generated crap is that it is based on open source, and most of the open source is horrible written
>>540139040ok the idea is that you save alot of time because you dont have to spend it on coding. you can spend all your time on the ideas. the idea is always whats important not how its coded. off course you have special ways of coding whatever the fuck but the ai will find better ways of coding it.its a baby for now and this is what most of you dont understand. when it has become a man the entire world will look very different.
Here is a game Elon Musk coded in 1984 when he was 12 years old. You can play it in your browser:https://blastar-1984.appspot.com/>I right-click EXE and select "Run as Administrator"What difference does it make if that EXE is AI-generated? You don't know stuff. You just click.
>>540142708> It's a babyNo it's a bubble and a mania. And like all such fragile beings, it will pop.Please read a little bit about how programming, compilers, assembly, binary work. What they do, and how. Also read the actual accuracy of AI on wild, general, situations, and what's the best we could ever hope for. Then you will understand how stupid this is.
>>540142691If you didn't code in the Pascaline fuck offhttps://youtu.be/tDkEjjDumUY?si=fldTjOh1SjvKIdam
>>540142708No, you will still be able to deassemble or edit binaries to find exploits and shit in it. Finding holes is much easier than trying to understand whole abstraction. The issue would be that engineers will have extremely hard time to patch any exploits or find performance sinks, since they would neither understand it or had an easy way go review the source. So all will rely on LLMs to do the shit, and LLMs are nondeterministic so can't be trusted to do the work correctly.But the problem with LLMs is that they are NOT good at coding. It is at best average, which is good enough for a lot of companies. But that is not good enough for performance heavy, secure applications or operating systems.
>>540139040The dark age of software started years ago. It isn't just software it's also the internet. >go to usajobs.gov to apply for fed job in 2018>most federal gov hiring portals are broken>need to complete half of application process in chrome and other half in edge>questionnaire filter doesn't even work>question tells me type essay response to question>box is 255 character limit lol>do the best I can>spend 45 minutes filling out page >hit next>timeout error>start over>can't attach resume/cover letterthis was like 4 federal agencies including FBI and DHS. I think i spent over 2 days applying to various shit and only got like 3 applications in of the 30 I tried for entry level GS jobs. The same thing happened with a PD. I was emailed that not enough people applied so they had to re-run the application process. I told them over email that the portal was broken and how I managed to turn in the resume. Never got a response, tried next month and the bug where you couldn't attach more than 1 document(required 3 separate ones to continue process but it limited to 1 so the avg normie couldn't do it) was fixed. I applied to the small town and didn't get hired. Heard through the grapevine they hired some black girl from georgia halfway across the country. She was apparently scared to drive on the highway so they couldn't keep her. I just fucked off a bit after lmao. Balkans are based.
>>540142596The source code is the only visual interfaz into then workings of a software. It has nothing to do with vibe-coding existing
>>540143174most tech companies are heavily jeet leveraged, so going from jeet code to AI code is an upgrade for them
>>540142621>so you'd be left praying the machine Warhammer 40k style that the AI spits out a working build.Probably the most apt representation of where this would all lead to. Nobody knows how to code anymore so we say our hymns to whir the machine.
>>540139040>>540140790There will be no portability issues when the AI can port anything to any hardware in nanoseconds.
>>540143324Well. The broken web was the filter there bro. They were just pretending to have it open to everyone. That was non-schizo case of DEI bias
>>540144268There is a chance that the open application process was actually closed so it wasn't maintained. But it goes to show you that they didn't just close it out. If you go to USAJobs.gov there is automated application rotations for positions that never end. The feds can't even run hiring portals. It is raped bro. AI will make it worse especially when they no longer have anyone to fix broken shit.
>>540144239>There will be no portability issues when the AI can port anything to any hardware in nanosecondsWhat???
>>540139040Why should humans care about tech any longer? If they want to gatekeep it all there is no point using it as a hobby.
>>540141259i've written more software than you ever will, but even before 2024 when LLM generated code started to get good this was the direction things were moving. I sold a startup in this area.This does not mean engineers will have nothing to do. It will mean engineers will use their time more effectively.
actual computer scientist here... idk what elon said but what op said makes no sense. theres no point in using an intelligence to do what simple math scripts can do, and thats all a compiler is, a very fancy calculator. the one exception being register allocation, but LLVMs already ship with MLGO with profile-guided optimization.it would be like purposely turning off your seed planting machines on your farm and doing it by hand again. theres no point. intelligence should be driving that machine, not getting rid of it to do the work manually again.sure, one day computers will be so fast, doing all of these things in different ways wont have perceptibly different durations to a human, cause theyd all finish in less than 1 second anyways. but by then, who cares how were doing things? in other words, if anything, elon should just be refining or developing his own compiler, ideally his own language and compiler combo tuned for error-less verifiability
>>540145900>idk what elonyou could try Google. You'd think a computer scientist would know thathttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/2084304083851034949
>>540146188what i meant is that i didnt care to find or read it. what youd really think a 4chan poster would know is that op is supposed to post a fucking source, not just for proof, but so people can read what was actually said easily
>>540139040Dude your fucking retarded lol6 years ago I paid 5000$ for some coders to make a website for me. I wanted it redone and edited last month and I had to pay at minimum a grand. I said NORebuilt the website from scratch with AI using a dozen prompts and it looks 10x better than any source code garbage that I was forced to pay retards I can do this shit without you nigger tier scammers.
>>540146188elon is having a fever dream hereright now the jackoff fantasy of the tech oligarchy is to have a singlar ai using all the data centers at once to peak into the future or somethingthis is just him fantasizing about grok giving birth
>>540146374>op is supposed to post a fucking sourcewell yeah OP is a flaming homosexual as usual. I was thinking about this retarded shit statement of elons and wouldn't an LLM trained on binary, if such a thing was even possible, be essentially mapping it to a higher level language internally anyway?>>540146592Im sue hes talking his own book somehow
>>540142231>the code, regardless of language, will end up convoluted and bizarre, as it is organically iterated thousands of times a day>society will essentially center around a massive amount of dynamically changing ambient softwareThe last thing any serious enterprise (like aircraft, electric, water, manufacturing) will ever want is unauditable code that updates daily. The is no way to verify or test it. Boeing's software problems are a tiny taste of what you're selling.
>>540146426>Calls other people retarded>Didn't even understand what the topic was aboutWe were talking of low level/compiling and you brought up some web design slop as example... What the fuck does that even have to do you fucking moron???
>>540142405>>540142691COBOL oldfag here. I'm crying in my mansion keeping these old ass legacy systems running. All on contract, not an employee. They keep saying they will update, but I keep getting called.
>>540149287>Cobol programmer So you are a wealthy nigger slave
>>540149396Sure. Learned 2 Code an actual useful language and it paid off in spades.
>>540141396>why can't AI just make things without human-readable code if it's AIBecause you can't inject garbage directly into the executable. You need the logs of the original repository to fork changes, redo or undo things you don't need anymore, debug, etc. You need safety at compile time to prevent memory corruption. Otherwise the program will crash at run time.What if you inject a lot of hallucinated garbage in the raw binary? You need to bind a lot of daemons, dll, user code, external and standard libraries, etc. Would you trust your critical code into a LLM controlled remotely from a cloud service? ETC. This retarded nigger Elon is trying to "solve" A problem that doesn't even exist by creating a bigger problem only to larp. He could just try to automate more of the process instead of being such an imbecile.
>>540139040Why are you on a VPN?
>>540150424Are you projecting? pajeet
>>540141563>no one should ever trust a program that cannot be verifiedVerification is a waste of time except in specialised critical applications. Just do functional (blackbox) testing and fix-forward if later issues turn up.
>>540140934Heh, I'm already doing that
>>540139040Binary exists at the physical level. It's on or off.
>>540139040>A binary of 1s and 0s doesn't even exist. This is just an interpretation but when you extract the content of a "binary" (ELF file) you will get a representation in hexadecimal.The hexadecimal is a representation of the binary. Example: EF is 11101111.
>>540152873No, it does't work just exactly like that. At a micro scale is more of an espectrum of electron passage. But even if it was like you say.. what do you do with that shit? Nothing. You still need a blueprint of what's going on inside.
>>540139040>don't go to med school you'll all be replaced by AI surgeons!>don't learn coding you're already obsolete>don't become an engineer so you could make better stuff than I canwhat the fuck does ketamine actually do to the brain, or is there something else going on with him now? I mean I knew something was fishy when he started to go nearly all out demoralizing everyone about nearly everything but this is something else.. does he even realize he's killing people or what
>>540153163>The hexadecimal is a representation of the binary. Example: EF is 11101111.Everything is a representation nigga. A human imaginary construct. Nothing there is literal. The differece lies on which representation is actually used to run real infraestructure and which is just theorical BS to understand the concepts
>>540153596>Everything is a representation nigga.Except that the 0's and 1's are real. They are what the processor directly executes.
>>540150362>AI is just LLMslook at this: https://gamengen.github.iothis is Doom generated in real time instead of rendered. now apply that concept to something much simpler like a UI
>>540153400Ketamine is fundamentally a dissociative, depersonalization is the "K hole"
>>540139040thats warhammer 40k aesthetic>the machine spirit had decreed it so!
>>540142621this french nigger knows
>>540139040AI literally can't code in hex. That's only something insane autists can do. The errors will be laughably messy with no way to repair
>elon cant code>knows AI is the latest fad>says AI will eliminate the thing he cant do I'm sure this is totally going to happen
>>540139040If you believe he never coded hello world then why do you believe he isn't spewing this llm for binary nonsense from a script given to him by a Jew?
>>540153827Noo! retarded faggot! Nigger!! Noo!! Go back to high school !! Bobo MARICA triple-hijueputa! Computers don't know what the fuck is number!! They are retarded things just like a rock or a chair (or you). The logic gates allow enough electrons to pass in order to trigger a chain reaction or it doesn't allow enough electrons to do so. That's all. END.When the sillicon was discovered that allowed the miniaturization because before that such a mechanism would have burn your PC and your ass. So even a 1 at a micro scale would be a 0 a at bigger scale. So it's all fake. That only works to develop a mental framework. But it's yet fake and gay.
>>540139040This doesn't even make sense. Machine code and assembly are essentially the same thing. And the C language is basically just a thin layer over assembly. So there isn't really a meaningful difference between outputting machine code vs C.
I think its a great idea, why bother with retarded human readable languageshuman code is shit
wtf are these niggers talking about
It is clearly possible and benefits the elites getting rid of human involvement. What OP is saying "How can you treat us like dalit?, How can you just get rid of us out of nowhere"?
>>540154377>wtf are these niggers talking about We are discussing who here is gonna introduce his penis in your mom's juicy pussy first. No agreement reached. So all at once.
>>540154291>So even a 1 at a micro scale would be a 0 a at bigger scale.You obviously don't have a clue about how processors work..The binary is the boundary between the logical (code) and the physical (logic gates). Basically the ones and zeros describe opcodes and values. They can be represented as hexidecimal and abstracted up through layers of languages etc. as required.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opcode
>>540155192When did i say that opcodes don't exist??What you bring up more representation if we are talking about the material reality. No the human framework. We call it on and off. But it's not like the electron says "oh these assholes closed the door i'm going back". It's just more of the old ohm law. It still crosses but in a less volumeYou didn't even read the shit you linked there. There it says what we were talking before. It's an abstraction.
>>540139040Elon is just a hype man. Its well known at labs like xAI and OpenAI that Elon and Sam Altman don't understand basic machine learning or computer science.
>>540155829You literally said in the OP >A binary of 1s and 0s doesn't even exist. This is just an interpretationIn reality they do exist and everything above it (e.g. source code) is just an interpretation.
>>540139040>waaayy elon musk disagrees with me politically therefore everything he proposes is wrong and dumbI'm so tired.
>>540153841This is kinda insane, but I still doubt it will be scale with game complexity nicely.Then again, I only skimmed and barely understood the paper, so I should probably sit down and read it properly before talking out of my ass.
>>540142231>your worries about humans becoming blind to the generated program code are shortsighted and naive. In the future, there will be so much code written by LLMs that the mere volume will make it impossible to audit. It is inevitable. And the code, regardless of language, will end up convoluted and bizarre, as it is organically iterated thousands of times a day. Society will essentially center around a massive amount of dynamically changing ambient software.So this is how we end up like 40k Tech Priests praying to Machine Spirits.
>>540155949Sam Altman does not.Elon Musk is at least a code moneky level programmer.
>>540142231>botposti
>>540156341No it doesn't exist. Even calling it "close and open" would be closer but still a abstraction. We call it "1-0" only because when you program anything digital you neen boolean values true/false.But the topic is software, not hardware. Not even firmware or embedded systemsJewLon is talking about writting the .exe/ELF at run rime directly baked from the clanker. He is not talking about touching the logical gates with a LLM (as if that autistic faggot even knew those exist). And that would be a disaster if they attempted it.So you are just circling around a deflection from the original topic
>>540157236>But the topic is software, not hardwareI agree. But the binary is where the rubber hits the road. It's the final output of either LLM crap or human source code. Source code is redundant if the LLM can generate adequate binary that passes all the functional and performance tests. However, you might want the overhead of source code for full white-box verification testing and/or ensuring propriatory algorithms aren't being used.
this why
>>540157773also Mask in deep AI psychosis
elons a masonic satanist, man and machine should never merge,
>>540139040>using an LLM to hard-code directly into the binary skipping the compilation stage.Holy shit this is fucking jeet level coding.
>>540157698>Source code>redundantI'm not gonna repeat myself: >>540150362Source coude can't be redundant. It causes no issue in performance. Only you would think it's a good idea to replace source code for some shitty logs or pseudocode BS only to dick-ride a billionaire faggot
I thought LLMs had a difficult time with any kind of low level programming? Memory management seemed to cause issues.
>>540158655>Source coude can't be redundant. It causes no issue in performance.No issue in performance? Have you ever written code before? Ever tried to design classes, procedures, interfaces etc? >replace source code for some shitty logs or pseudocode BSIt would be replaced with automated functional, performance and other testing.
ok seething impoverished colombian monkey
>>540139040I don't understand completely what you're talking but everything Elon does seems like its planned to lead to a total AI takeover
>>540158851>No issue in performance? Have you ever written code before? Ever tried to design classes, procedures, interfaces etc?Then literally use the fucking LLM AI slop for that bullshit LMAO Why the entire ecosystem has to create a massive hatch-escape only to cure your lazy ass. They literally are replacing pointers and garbage collection in the OS distributions for borrow-checking an memory safety at compile-time to prevent more memory corruption but your solution is injecting clanker hallucinations into the raw executables to crash shit in production lol
