Jewish Conservative Dennis Prager defends loli porn and says it doesn't hurt real kids.https://x.com/i/status/2084362993442468015
/pol/ has been saying that for a decade
>>540165872More like Prager UwU
Wtf? Jews are... based?!
>>540165872Is it degenerate? Extremely Should it be illegal? No unless traced off real ‘p I guess
>>540165872Prove him wrong then?
>>540165872PragerU is not conservative by any stretch of the imagination. Their retarded economic positions put them squarely in the libertarian camp hence this degeneracy.
There's a mainstream politician who's on the same page as this website?Cool, lemme vote for him.
>>540165872This fsggot broke his neck and he’s quadriplegic
well he's a jew so not surprising
>>540165950He says its not act of evil to jerk off to loli porn because it has no victims. Acting on pedophilic thoughts is evil
>>540165872He is just gatekeeping the term evil for his fellow tribesmen. Can't be evil if you don't even eat newborns for dinner
Prager and his U needs to be deported.
>>540165872Dennis "UUOOOOOH" Prager
PLAP PLAP PLAPGET PRAGERGET PRAGERGET PRAGER
>>540166153How about dressing my wife in a catholic schoolgirl outfit? Is that evil or does that not count?
>>540165872More like Prager UwU amirite
It's strange seeing shitskin zoomers and christcuck boomers on the same talking points. Lolifags are harming no one but themselves.
>>540165872Figures.
>>540165872It's definitely evil. But I don't feel like people should be thrown in prison over drawings, it's too harsh.
>>540166109>no TRUE conservative.Anyway, "conservatism" in America is dead. It's fascist MAGA vs patriots now.
>>540166153That's just an assertion, not any kind of proof
>>540166153It’s especially odd considering that these christian conservative types usually think any porn/jerking off is evil.
>>540165872And whats the problem? Americans need to be genocided.
>>540165872>animated child pornNo such thing. This diminishes the severity of REAL recordings of REAL child abuse.
And one day, for now reason at all, Gavin Newsom became Fuhrur of the United States..
>>540166277It's literally self harm, everyone dresses it up as the ultimate perversion but really it's just a addiction pathway.Put a bunch of people in camps where there were no computers and the had to do farm work all day. Once a season there would be a social event like a dance or a performance, then they could meet the other female inmates.Various whores of course but also anime spastic dumpster women and the odd actual child just to mix it up
>>540165919kek
>>540165872the massage guy wrote and then defended an article in 1997 saying statutory rape is outdated.Alan dershowitzthe >12h implies this is new. but whatever, keep hammering it
>>540165872All porn is intrinsically evil, but I do not think we should classify somebody as a registered sex offender for drawings. Loli should not be a legal concern. Fuck the protect act and Adam Walsh acts>>540166491The us government has classified it as such since 2003, but a Supreme Court challenge stripped enforcement down to obscenity charges being a key component
>>540166153How tf is that proof
>>540165939Basically this.For something to warrant imprisonment/serious punishment there should have to be a victim. Like actual CP, there's a human child being victimized in the process. So you can make the argument. But at the same time you can also make that argument about cartel execution videos and shit. It's a tricky subject where there needs to be a mechanism to differentiate between voyeuristic and informative use but that would be rife for abuse in both directions.
>>540165872I mean... More like Prager UwU
>>540165872I thought Dennis died? He has terminal cancer?
>>540166277>zoomersPretty sure /pol/ is mostly millennials. Zoomgroids are fatherless feminized faggots who support knee-jerk mama bear laws that erode personal liberties.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDKfZBipQA
>>540165872>draw “loli” character>make her 18>suddenly it’s legalJapan already figured out how to dodge that kind of legislation decades ago
You think Prager underwent metzitzah b'peh as a baby?
>>540167044It’s gonna be the reverse. I think misato is hot, but who’s to say she’s not REALLY a 13 yo girl? >A jury full of 40+ yo White roasties will decide your fate, incel chudIf lolifags can lie about a character’s age, so can the justice system
>>540165902There is no victim in pixels. Even completely randomized pixels of flesh color and humanistic features which are fabricated has no victim. The premise of possession of CASM is that kiddo captured in media will continue to be the victim everytime the media is witness by an observer without the legal ability to consent to that exposure. Im not a lawyer. But, that's my understanding of how laws work. There is a plaintiff (the victim, who is represented by the state or authority) and there is the defendant (the alleged perpetrator who has allegedly wronged the victim)No victim, no case
>>540165872More like Prager UwU huh boys
>>540167397no your no lawyer, your a fucking jewish rat!any person support childporn makers should hang right next to the ones that fucked and filmed these children on their balls while roasting them slowly..kill every pedophile, kill every pedo apologist, no mercy for none of these creeps
>>540166153There's a victim here. Me. They're devouring my essence.
>>540165872Not harming people isn't a loophole, it's the point.
>>540165872Honestly I've never gotten why people are so against it. To me, it ranks the same as scat. It's fucking disgusting, I don't want to hear about it, keep it to yourself...but I don't care beyond that.
>>540165872cant listen to the vid without making a (((nigger))) account but he's probably right. pedophilia is just another satanic panic for normalshits.
>>540165872>jew says what pol says every other day>OMG SO EVIL
>>540165872Honestly imo it depends.If its an actual drawing then idc If its ai generated stuff I think its immoral as it likely has actual cp in its dataset and is using that suffering as context to regurgitate something similar.The ai stuff should be illegal imo but drawings dont really matter.
>>540166153>Acting on>fictionare you literally mentally disabled?
>>540165872Based Prager defends the Loli. Get fucked libtards
>>540166232We will of course be needing pics and probably a video to se if it is evil. Get to it.
>>540167666shut the fuck up you retard golem, if you can't tell fiction from reality that is because you are low IQ, just your jew propaganda trying to thought police
>>540165872More like Prager UwU huh
Actual pedos go after real kids like on Roblox or irl like Sunday school or catholic priests
>>540167685Nigga just close your eyes
>>540165872He's right. People that can't separate fantasy and reality are most likely the real child predators.
>>540165872Loli is not child porn
>>540167666>Kill people that draw!Should we kill people that speak too?
>>540165872Does anybody remember back in the early-mid 00s when you couldn't look up anything hentai-related without being deluged with an ocean of shittily-drawn Simpsons porn? I don't know who the fuck that was all for, but you couldn't click on a single page anywhere on that section of the internet without Simpsons porn around every corner. It was ubiquitous, who the fuck was it all for?
>>540165872More.... Like.... Prager.... UwU.... Right?
>>540165872Is PragerU /our/ university bros?
>>540165872unless it leads to people developing a fetish for irl kids it doesn't hurt children, it's still disgusting thought
drawn pictures should have the same rights as human beings.So I can finally marry my waifu legally
>>540166747It's not tricky at all. None of that shit can be illegal if your government makes any claim on democracy. You can't have your own leaders on video raping kids and also make it a felony to see the video. That's fucking preposterous.
>>540165872People need to pull themselves together and stop calling it kiddy pr0n. Loli shit is not hard core child pornography, they're litetally just drawings. Imagine drawing a crudely drawn naked eleven year old and everyone around you freaking out and calling you a pedophile and be wanting to put you down like you're a rabid dog, it's pure insanity. Fucking drawing, dude, they're not real. Fucking hell, man..
>>540166153>>540168941
>>540165902Only retards have
>Random Nobody has an opinion about Literally Who?Q predicted this!
>>540165902>/pol/ has been saying that for a decade- /pol/ is an epstein-psyOp- one day, when we purge kikes, all we have to do is scan their HDDs instead of 21AndMe them,
>>540165872"Lolicons" deserve to be on a watchlist. They're assuredly lusting after real kids.
>>540172003found the rabbi
>>540165872Yes, op. The cartoon characters will never get over the trauma of anons jerking off to their animated fuck scenes. Meanwhile you trannys think real children can consent and think getting your heads stomped for fucking kids is "trans genocide ".
>>540168840does ai really use cp in the training set, or is it extrapolating "these are the rough parameters of the body, overlay some titties from a flat porn actress in a way that doesn't look wrong?"basically is it derived from child abuse or just copyright infringement?
>>540166377Cringe
>>540168840> likely has actual cpYes, because humans have a larval stage completely distinct from the adult form. And as such an AI could not possibly extrapolate what a naked child looks like. Because larvae are totally different to adults.
>>540165872Yes, pixels aren't actual kids and the people most interested in chasing pixels... only do so to divert attention and resources from things like the New York Chabad Pedo Rape Tunnels.It's weird that a fictional depiction of murder and mutilation would be considered a-okay. In fact, REAL depictions of such are posted here constantly.>>540165902Yeah, simply true. I don't give a shit what fantasy someone wants to spank it to, up to and including shitting dick nipplesThe instant someone takes an overt action against another real living creature should be met with a ruthless and brutal response though. Simple as that.Jack off to pixels all you want.Put a finger on a kid's shoulder, lose the hand at a minimum.>>540165938Hardly, but most of the above aggression toward loli crap is because God's Chosen HATE COMPETITION. That's why they also push through laws against gacha crap, while goyslop like Fortnite gets a free pass from regulation on pulling kids into microtransactions.That's why they chimp out over AI. If any loser can AI up free porn, They lose shekels.
>>540165872https://xcancel.com/i/status/2084362993442468015
>>540174083>roth
>>540165872
>>540171899It’s a massive psyop to get white people to stop breeding and it’s working. The purpose of females is to have babies, be fruitful and multiply, where everything else is a secondary consideration. If anything girls are being under sexualized.
>Dennis Prager is a fucking weebHe is one question away from saying "Well ACTUALLY she's a 14,000 year old demon who just looks like a flat 14 year old."
I dunno, it depends on how you look at it. From a utilitarian perspective it's true, no child is harmed in the production and consumption. But the issue is more complex and I don't know if anyone has ever done any studies. You'd assume most pedophiles are also into loli shit, but how many people who are into loli shit are pedophiles? And what if someone starts as a normal person, watches loli and becomes an actual pedo? I feel like there are complex issues in this shit that nobody wants to actually research so most of it is vibes based. Personally I think loli shit should be banned, mostly because it opens the door for other things. Like if loli is so taboo because of pedos then furry shit should be taboo because of animal fuckers and once we're there we might aswell throw tranny shit on the same pyre as it is equally if not more damaging to people that consume it.
>>540165939There’s justification and precedent for making illegal material which can be described as obscene. It is a moral good to do so. The question is whether looking at it, masturbating to it, is “evil”? That, I’m not so sure.
Loli consumers should be lynched.>But it doesn't hurt anyoneDon't care. You're a defective freak and you should be put to death.
>>540165872Good start. I will support whoever protects Japan's creative and economic interests.
Unfathomably based.
>>540174498Scientific studies prove that Molotov cocktails work great against lynch mobs. Go fight for Israel somewhere else.
>>540174367Ah I see the anti-loli moral crusaders are here to explain why we need to police pixels for thought crimes.>>540174389>But the issue is more complex and I don't know if anyone has ever done any studies. You'd assume most pedophiles are also into loli shitStudies have been done and it tends to not be that way at all. Loli types usually can't stand actual kids, and pedo rapists are rapists so pixels ain't doing it for them.Censor nothing that's fictional, deal with actual criminals. Time and manpower are finite resources.It's crazy to me that people have this kneejerk toward pixel sex but are straight up cool with people having access to gore and violence, recordings of actual death and brutality.Murder's worse than rape, not that either should be condoned, which is more reason to give zero fucks about pixels.
>>540171875>laws cant exist or be enforced if anyone in power has ever broken a lawThis is your brain on being a shit eating third world sub human. Im dont trying to cooperate with any nons
>>540165872>Jewish ConservativeDON'T exist. Told you many, many times. Majority of jews are degenerate. Absolute majority of jews are degenerate and vote Democrat. There's maybe 5% of jews who aren't degenerate, you need to look for them,
>>540165872>says it doesn't hurt real kids.>dennis prager speaks the truth, how horrible is he!?okay dude
>>540165902wether you believe it or not, I don't think this should be stated publicly, yet alone under your own name. I don't think normalizing porn consumption, loli or "normal" is good.it's a pretty jewish thing to do>>540165938>>540165939
>>540168702People want to show they have the right feelings about stuff. Look at all the people who publicly say this stuff, then look at all the characters in ads for cartoon porn on mainstream porn sites, then look at all the visitors those sites get. They must not take too much offense if they'll keep coming around that material.
>>540174668Law enforcement in a democratic society must be auditable by anyone able to vote.>uhhh we threw your favorite politician in jail>he fucked a bunch of kidscan you prove that?>you're not allowed to see the proofGet fucked.
>>540174625A lot of the pseudo conservative types have no moral problem triple tapping an elementary school full of girls in Iran with Tomahawk missiles. Looking at fake pictures is bad. Mass murdering a school full of little girls is real life good. These people are that warped and insane.
>>540166377If maga was even remotely fascist we would be fucking killing it right now just like china is. Trump is a corporatist. Very clearly.
ok but what if I fap to Monroe? no child involved, just petite
>>540174498>Loli consumers should be lynched.wild opinion, dude, love to how you're going to personally effect that changetoo bad I have a gun and am far better at combat than you
>>540165872>Jew defends pedophiles Are you actually surprised?
>>540170376Kuro sexo
>>540175021>A lot of the pseudo conservative types have no moral problem triple tapping an elementary school full of girls in Iran with Tomahawk missiles.I hate neocon boomers and can't wait for them to die off.>Looking at fake pictures is bad. Mass murdering a school full of little girls is real life good. These people are that warped and insane.And yeah, very accurate."oivey 1500 of God's Chosen died, such a huge tragedy goyim"Meanwhile they drop several times more munitions than the nukes used the close WW2, and kill a hundredfold more in the process, and it's just empty headed stares about how it's the invaded peoples' fault they're fighting back against their invaders.I don't give a shit about any of the Abrhamic religions, I'm just tired of the land I live in being a puppet to enable some greedy parasites to be degenerates, spread degeneracy, and commit mass slaughters while calling themselves the victims.Always remember, Israel was #1 of the 110+
>>540166747When the SCOTUS made laws against viewing cp, it was with many reservations, but done so on the basis that they could reasonably see that it creates a market for more creation for others to view; it was pretty controversial to the Justices in a way because it went against the idea of free access to information and media, and encouraged the idea that one is guilty of a crime for just viewing a piece of media or viewing a crime, which was virtually unheard of im the U.S. at that time.>But at the same time you can also make that argument about cartel execution videos and shit.Our government tried that too, but then Arab Spring proved such a law would limit information coming out of other countries if someone from there posted a video on twitter to expose police or their military killing a ton of people, and twitter automatically deleted it because they didn't want to get in legal trouble for hosting gore or killing videos. One law came about out of a necessity, with the strict disclaimer that it should not be used as a precedent to expand it into other areas of being able to freely view information because it would eventually lead to justifications that would in reality be outright censorship, such as limiting the information Americans receive about their own government doing illegal shit or information about a war going poorly because you can't show the realities of war (e.g. you viewed a video of a U.S. service member being murdered, and murder is Illegal, so you're guilty of a crime for viewing that). The other law, which used the former as its justification (against the warnings of the Justices), was eventually abandoned because it would limit intel from civilians in other countries to expose crimes occuring, especially if their governments had media blackouts to cover it up (this was around the time they did pass the laws against crushing videos, since chinks really liked putting out videos of crushing small animals for some reason).
>>540174576You realize Trump bailed out Japan because it's a pedophile island
>>540171943normie tourists have a lot to learn, no harm in disecting mainstream propaganda—
>>540165872This, and child sex dolls should be legalized. I nered a way to burn off kid lust.
>>540165872Wtf I love prager U now!>>540166153He's right.
>>540171943>Random NobodyThis guy is a high profile jewish propagandist who makes content targeted explicitly at children. Him endorsing pedophiles is actually a pretty big deal
>>540175728>cartoons are pedophilia
>>540175414ugh this bratat least she got a happy ending
>>540168840>>540173861It was claimed these AI companies used datasets that contained actual cp to train their models, which has been used to justify laws against ai cp, but somehow has not resulted in any actions by the government to audit them, nor control their data collection and its sources, nor bring any action against these companies for possession and distribution (because if it can generate it, supposedly using real source material, and a person gets in trouble for generating it and possessing it, then that means the companies are also guilty of possession and distribution of the source material in its entirety and partially, respectively). So, either the companies are getting a pass from the government, or it's bullshit used to justify obscenity-tier legislation.
>>540175926It could be something as simple as the government gave them the CP so the AI's can autoflag something.
>>540166109Dennis is a neo-con through and through>>540165902How old are those lines, chuddy?
>>540175926I don’t buy that. So many porn actresses these days have no pubic hair so how hard is it for AI to assemble these pictures into any type of age and body type conceivable to create a completely novel and synthetic image?
>>540175926I'm gonna say something shocking which is I don't even give a fuck about recordings of that either. Again, recordings of murder, torture, extreme violence even more hamrful than rape... are ALL seen as a-okay.And frankly I don't give a shit what recording of something someone has. Manpower and resources are finite. Find every perp and string them up.I'm in the zero censorship camp, I want free flows of data and information for maximum transparency.>>540176018This too. You know the FBI and CIA watch and redistribute their own "evidence" folders. And are fond of well poisoning tactics.
>>540176102How hard would it be to get an AI to>take pixarslop level character>put in pose/action of adult porn personThen because you've already managed to get it to essentially turn an adult skeleton into a child skeleton via the medium of any amount of pixar type slop, slap human skin and a human proportion face back onto the skeletonAI is just a tool that speeds through a ton of steps humans could and already did do themselves. Ironically, as it pertains to supply and demand, it kills a lot of demand.Which is, of course, why god's chosen smut merchants want to try to close pandora's box on this.
>>540165872>agreeing with PragerWTF, that shouldn't happen>>540165939>DURRGEBERUTFuck off>>540174479>There’s justification and precedent for making illegal material which can be described as obscene. It is a moral good to do soNo, there is not
>>540176018So why would you allow the model you provide for generating images, to generate images using those real images? You can provide the images to an ai that you use only for flagging something to alert that someone posted cp, but these various legislation are being passed on the basis that these models generating the images are using real source material, which sounds like the companies, who are facing no punishment, are the source of the problem in the first place. If you provide to a model used for generation, to catch someone uploading a real image to be used as source material, then you can still avoid the model from using it in generating other images. It doesn't make sense, unless it's all bullshit or the government is giving them a pass that no one else would get.>>540176102That could very wll be the case. Australia banned models with A cups because they look too underaged. A porn actress had to travel to another country and testify in defense of a man on trial for her images. It could be the case, but it's not what the government nor even the companies are claiming (which somehow isn't resulting in anyone at least auditing their datasets, if we're to take them at their word).
>>540165872Torch all pedos alive, simple as.
>>540176693>That could very wll be the case. Australia banned models with A cups because they look too underaged.How fucking cucked...Listen, I'm not going to claim the ideal adult woman is a flattie, but if she's got a good face, good personality, and average body, I'm good with a flattie.Way more than a psycho bitch or fatty or chick with blue hair and facial piercings.But yeah, we kind of see this with the Epstein stuff too. Dude scouted and trafficked teen prostitutes. Underage, but not "pedo" except by the standards of women in their 30s+ who seethe at any woman younger than them. It was the equivalent of OnlyFans hoes who found out they could make a lot of money claiming to be "victims" of acts they voluntarily got paid for.That's why I hate pedo getting thrown around so much. There are actual kids who are actual victims who did not volunteer and get paid, and using the term wrong diminishes the reality of things like the Chabad Pedo Tunnels in New York.
>>540174754>>says it doesn't hurt real kids.Yes it does you retarded autist, either by helping the pedarest progress on the dopamine escalation ladder or further ingrain his disgusting desires in his psyche/brain. The desire to coom to this type of porn should warrant banishment at the very least or execution preferably. Why force defenseless children to live among literal monsters who can imagine no greater pleasure than such a child's undoing? Death to them all.
Lots of pedophiles in denial here, loli is bad because it promotes and reinforces child abuse. It reinforced sexual desires for children. Everyone here should be gassed
>>540177151Start with yourself pedotroon
>>540177085How do you feel about people who get dopamine highs from uhgger goreposting, or playing games where they enact gruesome violence, murder, torture, etc?
>>540176927>who did not volunteer and get paidthere's a difference between volunteering and entering a situation you can get out of at any time and being miles away from civilization on an island owned by billionaire with all ways off of said island also owned by said billionaire, and everyone on said island in some way or another dependend on said billionaire. Especially when your name is fraudulently not listed on any flight manifest and you are essentially officially not even there.There is also entirely no way to say for certain that that which is now publicly known/confirmed to have gone down on that island and other properties is the full extent. I for one highly doubt that.
>>540165872Oh, Danny Boy
>>540177197>who get dopamine highs from uhgger goreposting,If they were to all suddenly die tomorrow I'd love my world a whole lot more. ;)
>>5401773403 minutes after I challenged your prior nonsense, you decide to ultra narrowly focus on 16yo hoes taking money to blow rich dudes, and my point with that aside being "pedo" gets overused a lot due to how easy it is to garner senastionalism and support. After all, no one wants to be "on the side of pedos".That aside was about misuse of "pedo" to encompass a lot of things which aren't, simple as that. And prior to 2024, saying anything about Epstein was a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory. It wasn't until the media decided they could make bogus baseless claims about Trump that it got traction.So I will re-ask>How do you feel about people who get dopamine highs from uhgger goreposting, or playing games where they enact gruesome violence, murder, torture, etc?
>>540177378Should ALL fictional depictions of gore and violence be censored?You're making the claim for FICTIONAL depictions of a subset of rape, a lesser offense than murder and torture.So should we start arresting people for MURDER for playing a game with murder?The same way you think people should be arrested (or actually you said immolated to death) on rape charges for pixels?
>>540165939Correct. Pedophiles/lolicons who aren't raping anybody are likely just previous victims who chose not to repeat the pattern.
>>540165872Broken clock
>>540177587>So I will re-askMaybe just read the answer I already gave you. And just to be clear: there is in my opinion nothing wrong with a 21 y/o falling in love and being intimate with a 16 y/o.a 21 y/o from a rich western nation traveling half the world to visit a brothel where a poor 16 y/o asian hooker was forced into prostitution at age 14 by her shit family... whole other story. Context matters.
I remember getting into an argument with a p3d0 on /v/. He was advocating for a mod on sdv that allowed you to marry/fuck jas. Naturally, I called him a dirty p3d0 scum that should hang himself. He argued that he wasn't a p3d0 just because he wanted to fuck kids in vidya doesn't mean he wanted to do that in real life. The same way people might steal a car or shoot people in vidya doesn't mean they will (or want to) do that in real life. Jokes on me for trying to reason with the mentally retarded.
>>540177743The reason I lean towards it was because I was bullied and abused at an age where others were already getting gfs and exploring each others bodies around age 11-16. I felt left out and bitter because of it.
>>540177694>So should we start arresting people for MURDER for playing a game with murder?Comparing seeking sexual pleasure/gratification in pedophilic pornography with playing videogames...Gee, what a wonderful person you must be. I know a lot of extremely timid, non-violent people who play all sorts of violent videogames. I know of not one non-pedo seeking pedophilic material for masturbation purposes.
>>540177919Theres at least 1000 people gooning to lolis for each person truly violating a kidThe people who do abuse children are usually too low IQ to enjoy the artstyle
>>540177799>And just to be clear: there is in my opinion nothing wrong with a 21 y/o falling in love and being intimate with a 16 y/o.Didn't ask, don't care, because the point was people were calling voluntary 16yo hookers "pedo" to equate it with actual child abuse, which I was pointing out is dishonest, like conflating pixels with irl actions.>Context matters.Different cultures place a different arbitrary # value on someone's capacity for consent. Fortunately, most of them are in a relatively consistent range so there's a pretty decent standard.No one's applying that to non-voluntary actions, and no one's applying that to preteens.However, in order to be manipulative in arguments... people may dishonestly equate pixels, voluntary actions of late teens, etc to "pedo".And I find your unhinged stance toward pixels to be in that dishonest category.
>>540177743>Pedophiles/lolicons who aren't raping anybody are likely just previous victims who chose not to repeat the pattern. JUST YET. very important words you somehow left out. And somehow it's up to society to wait for the moment that some adversity hits these poor previous victims, they snap, and ruin some poor undeserving child's life all the fucking same.Boo-fucking-hoo. They should seek to correct these tendencies within themselves not feed them by jerking off to pedoporn.
>>540165902>>540165872>>540165938I agree that stuff has a place a pedo containment.... what are we supposed to do, just kill pedos but not kill gays?if you want inclusion, thats fucking inclusion, now I dont say to let them fuck kids, but loli and other containment measures could be positive to avoid them harming someone IRL or what, are we going to ban violent videogames too?
>>540178017>voluntary actions of late teens, etc to "pedo".>And I find your unhinged stance toward pixels to be in that dishonest category.The issue isn't the material, the issue is the desire. And I'm not talking about legal models that might be mistaken for 16 while actually 21 y/o. I'm talking about the prepubescents - 14 age-range, give or take. If you get of to pornographic material featuring depictions of 8 year olds.. I'd love to see you dead. Simple as.
Is Loli porn pedophilia? Nope. Are lolifags furfag tier insufferable with shoving their fetish down everyone's throats?Yup.
This is probably one of the few things he's said that's correct.Broken clock and all that.
>>540177919>Comparing seeking sexual pleasure/gratification in pedophilic pornography with playing videogames...Yes. I am going to equate using pixels to emulate whatever gratification or rush one gets from murder in such a way. I will 100% equate simulating murder, torture, gore, etc for pleasure or gratification the same way.>Gee, what a wonderful person you must be.Why yes, I do think rightfully condemning torture or murder as worse than rape IS an objectively morally superior stance. Murder and torture are horrific.>I know a lot of extremely timid, non-violent people who play all sorts of violent videogames. I know of not one non-pedo seeking pedophilic material for masturbation purposes.I don't tend to discuss any fap material with anyone, mine or theirs. It's not a normal subject to discuss with pretty much anyone.I can't help but notice...>So should we start arresting people for MURDER for playing a game with murder?You quoted this, but neglected to answer.If you want people to be judged as committing a criminal act they did NOT commit over pixels for loli... why don't you want that standard applied equally to even MORE violent and brutal acts?To me, the answer is pixels are pixels, fiction is fiction, and thoughtcrimes should not be punishable.The instant someone commits any real action in the real world, they should be prosecuted fully.
>>540165872I mean he's right as long as it's not looking like reality it should be legal.
>>540167666thoughtcrime-advocating communist imbecileleftists like you should be hanged
>>540167397>it's just pixels, bro>t. the lawyer with culture
>>540177340>there's a difference between volunteering and entering a situation you can get out of at any time and being miles away from civilization on an island owned by billionaire with all ways off of said island also owned by said billionaire, and everyone on said island in some way or another dependend on said billionaire. Especially when your name is fraudulently not listed on any flight manifest and you are essentially officially not even there.Agreed. I think his point, though, is the blanket use of "pedo" for virtually anything beyond the actual scope of it, and how it diminishes its seriousness and the use of resources to address actual pedos (such as police getting endless "tips" on drawn, fictional material, and, in not wanting to discourage help from the public for actual children being actively victimized, bite their tongue, say "thanks", and ignore it). Epstein's activities (that we know of, at least) weren't pedo, but he definitely still belonged in prison for what you mentioned, because he's just as much a predator in his actions to isolate and coerce some young girl to do more than they thought they would be doing (the ones that description applies to, at least).
>>540178266>If you want people to be judged as committing a criminal act they did NOT commit over pixels for loli...I don't want them to be judged as if they commited a criminal act, I want >minor attracted peopleto be identified and banned from civilized society as dangerous undesirables, regardless of crimes comited. Pre-crime. Minority report. Because I don't believe that any amount of therapy can fix/change these people nor do I believe that peaceful coexistence is possible or desirable.
>>540178027>>540178172>The issue isn't the material, the issue is the desire.You want to prosecute for thought crimes.Then when pressured on why that doesn't apply to other violence and murder, all you can do is waffle and say "idk nice people consume that content too".You've got nothing but the standard level of puritan brainrot hypocrisy.I presented a VERY clear line in the sand that conveniently applies to all such actions:- If it's pixels and fiction, I give no fucks, you do you.- The instant that translated to tangible real world actions, you get an appropriate punishment for whatever the real world offense was.Simple as that.You are accountable for what you DO, no more, and no less. Not what you think.>>540178247100% a broken clock scenarioHe's not right out of any actually thought out morality.
>>540165872> animated child pornThis is 100% fantasy, no real child involved.I'm willing to look at any evidence for this causing real child abuse.If it convinces me that it does I will support a ban of it.
Hes right.
>>540178444>You want to prosecute for thought crimes.Spot on! See: >>540178379>>540178444>I presented a VERY clear line in the sand that conveniently applies to all such actions:Such a pragmatist. I give no fucks for your pragmatism. Pedophilia can not ever be considered a healthy outlet, playing a videogame can, sharing and enjoying gore/snuff... well.. that is highly concerning but not necessarilly the base of someone's existence where sadly sexual/romantic attraction is.
>>540166491>implying all sex us abuse>implying solo is somehow abuseThis is exactly why CP is illegal, so nobody can see the truth. To make truth itself a crime
>>540178379>I don't want them to be judged as if they commited a criminal act, I wantNah bro, nah, we ain't moving that goalpost>>540176805>>540177085That's where your goalpost was. And when I asked you to apply the same standard to fictional murder and torture, suddenly you kvetch and backpedal and move that goalpost around.>regardless of crimes comited. Pre-crime. Minority report.Yeah, thought crimes. That's stupid ass totalitarian shit that is a blank slate to convict anybody of some thing or another at any time.Turns out you're just a totalitarian control freak with arbitrary standards who moves the goalposts to bend them around any thought crimes he could be convicted of if held to his own thought crime standards.I draw the line at tangible actions, period.Because I don't care what someone thinks, as long as they do not tangibly wrong someone else. It's a clean simple standard.
>>540178444Why are you wasting time arguing with memeflags?You should know by now that they're all just glowniggers and kikes.
The USSC ruled in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition that loli isn't CP. Based god Clarence Thomas gave the deciding vote.
>>540166747>there's a human child being victimized in the processNo, there is it. You just believe there is because you've been told so and the truth is illegal so you believe the lie>>540175564>One law came about out of a necessityWhat necessity? The necessity to make lies law?
>>540178172> I'd love to see you deadYou seem to be fighting inner demons that you don't dare to admit to yourself.
>>540178669I like the discourse and thought exercise even if it's an insincere glowy. I like finding refinement in my own points as well, when the subject comes up in a more sincere venue.I appreciate the concern, but don't worry, I'm posting for myself and my own enjoyment of the posting than because I'm actually wrapped up in trying to change a shitposter's mind.
>>540165872How could it hurt kids?
>>540178640>a blank slate to convict anybody of some thing or another at any time.As are current CP laws. Do you really know if a rootkit has been installed on your system right now and CSAM is being dripfed onto your storage device? Connections with pedo servers made all without you having had any hand in it?>Turns out you're just a totalitarian control freak Nice twist but no.I just would love to see all pedos burn. Simple as. No "treatment", no sex-offenders lists, just cleansing fire. Never speek of em all again, no tears shed, except for their victims.
>>540178669>memeflagsFuck off newfag
>>540178774>You seem to be fighting inner demonsNah, just utterly disgusted by a world treating monsters, proven, known abusers as if they're poor patients suffering from some sort of illness entirely seperate from their personhood.
>>540165872All right thinking Christians agree
>>540165902this lol
I just wanted to let you know: The first national-level laws against CP were passed by Democrats, it was not a Republican thing.
>>540178873>a blank slate to convict anybody of some thing or another at any time.>As are current CP laws. Do you really know if a rootkit has been installed on your system right now and CSAM is being dripfed onto your storage device? Connections with pedo servers made all without you having had any hand in it?I appreciate that you can recognize and acknowledge the horror of that truth. Precisely why to NOT advocate for it.>I just would love to see all pedos burn.I mean sure but that usually just gets someone called antisemitic.The difference is I extend that to actions, not thoughts.NO ONE is so obliviously pure in the head, on some subject or another. What makes people decent human beings is the capacity to continue to observe right from wrong, distinguish fantasy from reality, even as imperfect people.Thus I will never advocate prosecuting thought crime.
>>540179046Anon, I'm sorry but this is one thing you're going to have to accept the loss on.Christfags hate loli and think it's demonic, and they make up the majority of Republican voters.
>>540165902much longer than that. a decade ago is when the hordes of failed redditors migrated here with their retarded opinions on the topic
>>540175564>this was around the time they did pass the laws against crushing videos, since chinks really liked putting out videos of crushing small animals for some reasonThat was overturned in United States v. Stevens.
>>540175564>When the SCOTUS made laws against viewing cpNo. It was legislative acts and the USSC ruled in Ferber v. New York that CP wasn't free speech.
>>540165902Glowniggers are the only ones that seethe about 2D loli because it gets in the way of their grooming and entrapment schemes. You'll notice anyone saying otherwise had to get a memeflag up.
>>540165872>evilNone of the pixels involved are being harmed though and having a fictional outlet for such desires could reduce the threat that real children face
>>540179051For what it's worth I actually oppose the death penalty because I believe no government can be trusted with it. Also oppose totalitarianism. But pedos utterly disgust me so I like to take an extreme stand against, contrasting current ""civilized"" takes.
>>540165872>https://xCANCEL.com/i/status/2084362993442468015WHY POST FAGGOT LINKS HOMO OP SPERM SWALLOWER? WHEN IT'S SO EASY TO POST GOOD ONES
>>540178586>but not necessarilly the base of someone's existence where sadly sexual/romantic attraction is.There's nothing proving one is any more the basis than the other, though. One couple provide a ton of examples to prove gore and killing is a base of someone's existence, such as the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs and the Russian serial killers they were inspired by, as well as other serial killers who have such a strong fixation, it becomes the center of their attention and activities in their everyday lives. This idea comes about from the school of thought that violence isn't anywhere innate in humans as sexual feelings and reproduction, but it is; we're violent creatures, we hold together our societies on the threats of violence, but try to temper that violence with order and laws, etc. (but if you resist any of that, violence it is, whether being forced into a police cruiser or kept in confinement) There's a guy who got busted for grand theft auto who claims the GTA series is the reason he got into it, but ignored the whole growing up with an absent, meth head, single father in a trailer park as having any possible negative effects on him. I think the issue is people who have self-control to compartmentalize things as real/fiction, and/or not act on something, vs those who cannot. If we're to believe what you said, then rape probably shouldn't be a crime, since it's apparently one of the biggest fantasies for many women, or we need to ban many, many works of fiction that people view that contain rape.
The other problem is the biggest pedos are blacks and browns, and they don't look at CP anyway they just molest their nieces.
>>540179210There's still no justification for it being illegal
>>540166120He's not a fucking politician you absoulte retard. Why not fuck off and talk about your own....oh yea, nobody fucking cares.
>>540176693>So why would you allow the model you provide for generating images, to generate images using those real images?1.Jeet programmers. Who don't think about anything besides shipping the product.2.AI is like any Tech company and filled with incompetent people of all races(DEI). Much like the Jeets, they are vacuous but instead of shipping the product it's posting on social media.3.Jewish and other degenerate queers snuck it in on the down low. We all know why. 4.It's a Honey Pot, there are very few groups of people who would be able to recognize an AI Gen'd image was based off REAL CP. The people who consume/produce it and law enforcement who's job is to monitor/investigate this type of evil. Maybe the victims as well.Pick one, multiple or all. They're all likely true.
>>540178829The hypothesis is that fantasy works like a gateway drug inevitably leading to reality.But there is no evidence in support of this hypothesis.The antithesis is that fantasy satisfies desires before they can be realized.No evidence for this either.Neuroscience has no evidence that mind has any causal effect on matter at all.Mind is not even a fact per definition. Brain is, brain waves are, but not the mind.
>>540166879He’s paralyzed from the shoulders down. Slipped in the shower
It's hard to argue against Ferber on constitutional grounds as access to CP isn't in the Bill of Rights. My take is state laws against CP are permissible, Federal level ones are not on 10th Amendment grounds.
>>540165872>Kike is a pedophileWe just need to kill every fucking one of them.
>>540179530The thing ironically is it shouldn't matter.No matter how distasteful you find the perpetrators, and VERY justifiably so, owning a recording of someone else's actions is simply not you having committed them.I bring this up because of uhg's infamous gorespam, or I myself laughing at the jeet self-owns threads sometimes.Someone's posting a recording of war crimes, they're not a war criminal.Someone's posting a recording of jeets getting tricked by monkeys into electrocuting themselves, they didn't push the jeet.If someone has a recording of someone committing a different crime against a different victim, even then, that person still isn't the person who did something.The recordings of MANY events are horrible things, but I don't believe in this puritan push by politicians who need to make it suspiciously clear they aren't pedos that those kinds of recordings are super magically different from recordings of other crimes and gore and violence. Because they're not.It's just a suspiciously specific and arbitrary distinction from people who need to convince others they don't have kids' skeletons in their backyard.
>>540179678>The antithesis is that fantasy satisfies desires before they can be realized.>No evidence for this either.Isn't there actually an observable correlation on this side? There's been a lot on the trends of young men finding sufficient companionsip from AI girls that they neglect to pursue that companionship with the horrid creatures known as Modern Women?So ironically, there might actually be more correlation on this front.
>>540179210That was for distribution and manufacture. Osborne v. Ohio addressed possession and I believe viewing (or the latter may have been a separate case).
I wanted to also point out that the couple of USSC cases on CP, including Ferber, were all involving faggots with boy pics.
>>540165872Prager is brain dead. Any clip of him talking coherently is pre covid jabby jab.Rip pervy jew dude
>>540165902/pol/ also wants to fuck kidswhats your point?
I thought it was common knowledge that jews are pedos?
Also the anti-loli thing that got tossed in Ashcroft was a provision of the 1996 Child Pornography Prevention Act. It's quite disappointing to me that the supposed Gingrich Contract With America Congress wasted time with these useless gestures to soccer moms and the Southern Baptist Council rather than doing what an actual small government conservative would do which was put an axe to any number of letter agencies. Why you wasting time trying to ban loli instead of dismantling the ATF or stuff like that?
>>540179899Because it's raping children for profit. If you can't see the reason why it gets treated differently, says more about you than the system.
>>540180490Is a recording of a murder "murder for profit"?What a fucking retard.
>>540179126It wasn't entirely overturned, the law was limited in scope later to only apply to "crush" videos, because the text of the former law would have outlawed things like people filming their legal hunting trips or others things of a similar nature that were not intended to be under the net of the legislation.
>>540180561Those are called snuff films. Those are also illegal.
>>540180617You didn't even read what I wrote.Making them is obviously illegal.But when it comes to possession, there is no difference in possessing a recording of Crime A vs Crime B.Retards really can't seem to grasp this.
>>540179990There is a lot of correlation to be found for this (and that) but it doesn't prove anything.Psychology is not a science, Ethology (behavioral science) is. But statistics don't prove causality.
Anyway, LEA are really just interested in explicit adult-child rape pics they don't care that much about jailbait or whatever material.
>>540180741It depends on who is recording.Is it someone who is just a witness who happens to be within camera range, or are they there specifically to record this event.One is a witness, the other is an accessory to murder at best.Also last I heard owning actual snuff content, not just ISIS/Cartel shit is actually in the same category as CP.
>>540165872this is a smokescreen to draw people attention off from Gibraltar strait.
>>540181074>It depends on who is recording.I said possession of a recording.Not being a participant.Possessing the recording as a total notparticipant is for NO reason and with NO consistency treated as a crime only for certain things... yet not murder, torture, etc.I simply Devil's Advocate that it is all objectively equal, period. A nonparticipant possessing a recording of something is simply not a crime, because possession of information is not a crime, and any attempt to make it a crime relies on purely arbitrary distinctions determined solely by the ideology and wallet of the arbiter.
>>540165872Cool. I'm all for banning things just because I personally think they are evil, lets start with Communism and LGBT. After that is done we can decide which fake drawings are harmful.
>>540178739What the Justices rationalized as a necessity in curtailing an incentive to create real cp (i.e. if someone knows others view it and want to view more, there's an incentive to create more, which contributes to the victimization of children).
>>540181679The latter is at least provably evil with the 30x or higher rate of child sexual abuse among lgbtThat's just a direct correlation
>>540181758>What the Justices rationalized as a necessity in curtailing an incentive to create real cp (i.e. if someone knows others view it and want to view more, there's an incentive to create more, which contributes to the victimization of children).Whether that's true or not is debatable, but the pop psychology of the era when Ferber was ruled on tended to believe it was.
