The big debate in geopolitics: thirdies.Are they poor because they're low IQ or because firsties keep stealing all their shit? Does one cause the other?
>>540169060Why are you obssesed?
aryan european peoples and their adjacents are just superiorbrownoids and yellowoids will screech at this
>>540169060New Brandt Line just dropped
>>540169060>Are they poor because they're low IQ or because firsties keep stealing all their shit? Does one cause the other?At least in South America it was mainly because we couldn't industrialize in time + the iberian political order leaving retarded self-centered oligarchs in power + uncompetitive markets. Then stupid but good natured state investment for industrialization happened and made our economies worse.I think it's just we were too slow on adopting free market anglo liberalism. We literally started doing so in the 90s at least in Chile. It fucked us pretty badly mainly in the sense that a smart poor kid in the US could build a good product, run a business and get rich. Things like that barely happened here and rich people here always scoffed at upstarts. There's a horrible culture of wellbred socialites who control the economy, the political and cultural space of our society.Although, there's no monolithic third world anymore. I think in 2020s living in South America obviously ignoring Venezuela, Perú outside of Lima, Bolivia and some parts of Brasil, Paraguay and Argentina (like the fucking desert or the sertao) is very similar to living in the US today because if you are wealthy then you are not going to notice about all of the awful shit that poor people go through.
>>540169064i watched the top gear patagonia special earlier and chile looked very developed and civilized
>>540169060firsties >invents infinite food hack>frees up time to get educated and develop knowledge thirdies >are handed infinite food hack>balloons their population SIX FOLD >a century later claims "their right" to asylum in firsties countries If it hadn't been for the mainstream media owned by hippie boomers we had been taught this in elementary school and demanded responsibility from the "unfortunate" global south just like the EU has from the old USSR states and China.We weren't this naive before the world wars. The silent generation just let the emerging power from them dictate the world-view for their boomer kids.
>>540169060We play by the anglo/jewish empire "rules"
>>540169067¿Dónde encuentras esta foto de mi? Me parezco así y digo esto
Cultural problem, they should larp white.
>>540169067Why didn't you Mexicans steal the factories?The chinks were so much better than you that they outcompeted you even though they had to ship accross the ocean AND were suffering from communism LMAO
>>540169060it's literally impossible to surpass a first world country in tech nowadays if you are a thirdietech has advanced too much and just the tools you need are firstie only
>>540169070>Why didn't you Mexicans steal the factoriesRight beside the US.
low IQthere are many countries poorer than the USA that are way nicer and better to live in. Wealth on a national scale really only comes down to exchange rates.
>>540169068Shut up bitch
>>540169066>invents infinite food hackYou didn't.>frees up time to get educated and develop knowledgeMost didn't take advantage of it and thought everything was going to remain like it was forever.>are handed infinite food hack>balloons their population SIX FOLDIndia and China were always extremely populated anon.If it hadn't been for the mainstream media owned by hippie boomers we had been taught this in elementary school and demanded responsibility from the "unfortunate" global south just like the EU has from the old USSR states and China.Powerless and pathetic bitching. Like lmao what is this "we" you speak of? Sweden wasn't a world power or an emmienent global player.
>>540169073There's never been a massive collection of modern up to date IQ scores to use as data. Only midwits use IQ as a catch-all lazy explanation.
>>540169060Firisties will see every single hardship like expensive houses, jobs being taken away and being replaced by brownoids as the jews are behind this, the system screw us over, then look at third world which is under the same system and flip it over and say ehm this is clearly natural selection!>>540169066Your current lifestyle depends on the current third-world condition for cheap labor and primary producers. Why do you think Belgium is still a place where the Blood Diamond ended up?Anyone who studies or at least watches news knows that the current economy and market are clearly rigged in favor of a few people.Every chuds flip between both narrative in order to pretend they are in the superior position while also being a victim.
>>540169060Well you know about the flynn effect and how whites had a low iq before industrialization. You also know that the connectivity between Europe and Asia helped them absorb knowledge through trade. However, Europe industrialized along with democracy, not because or through it. That is what thirdies dont understand.They let retards vote, so the economy never improves, so the flynn effect doesnt develop because there is no money for better education or better nutrition.The Chinese understood this very well, that is why they have a dictatorship.
>>540169070Because of scale. First of all the Chinese have a dictatorship, so that helps them achieve stability but secondly they have more people. You cant miss a market of 1.4 billion people, that is retarded. So you will transfer them tech if its necessary, the Chinese knew this. The real question is... Why are indians not cashing in this demographic advantage to force IP transfers?
>>540169064>I think it's just we were too slow on adopting free market anglo liberalism.You could have saved us and yourself the time if you simply admitted you are retarded.The Chinese, Koreans, Japanese all industrialized thanks to industrial subsidies, favorable conditions for exports and for domestic industries, not because of muh liberalism.
>>540169067boomers are the most retarded generation to ever exist
>>540169062I wonder what those Aryan supremacists thought of the Irish
>>540169062This is just the truth, but this board is filled with shareblue (dysgenic whites) now. IDK what happened to 4chan.
>>540169073Yeah watch these moronic leftists squirm using white language and philosophy to rationalize why countries with year round growing seasons, massive inhabitable zones, and infinite resources got BTFO by cold shitholes with winter and not even 1/2 of the natural resources they have.
>>540169060Considering that south-east asia, the middle east, and parts of south america were all more advanced than europe at various points in history genes are probably not the deciding factor
>>540169084angkor was more impressive than any european city for like 600 years
>>540169084The Latin alphabet was directly inspired by the Etruscan and Greek alphabets, which trace back through the Phoenician alphabet to ancient Egyptian rootsWhy are you using a brown/ asian invention to type your bullshit?Inb4 ''Phonecians and Egyptians were white''
>>540169060I think Istanbul is more "north"y than dagestan
>>540169076Everything correlates with IQ.And why would there not be causation when every single study, no matter what variables are controlled for, shows correlation with IQ?
>brown and Asian men literally come up with civilization itself along with writing, astronomy and math>many year laters SOME white guys with no knowledge of history say that we are inferior to them>they take papermaking from the Chinese>take writing from the phoenicians>take algebra from the arabs>take their numeral system from the indiansand credit none of them for any of these thingsJust be ethnic classic
>>540169064We never industrialiaised and have retarded self oligarchs. You're just culturally thirdie>>540169063'Very high' HDI has a ridiculously low bar. There's just a massive gap between 20k gdp per capita countries and 50+k gdp per capita countries with almost nothing in between except a couple middle incoke trapped countries which are slingshot up a bit by raw resources making a cashed up elite
>>540169089IQ isn't a power level comparison metric you literal trogladyte. We can't even make any conclusions from it about other countries because there has never been any massive global testing done under uniform condtions.
>>540169083Lmao this leaf is mentally stuck in the early 2010s.
>>540169075>You didn't.Artificial fertilizer were invented by the Germans Haber and Bosch. The developed world hasn't been mining for nitrogen in North Africa since.The undeveloped world has won some peace and literature prizes but mostly inflated their populations which is now spilling over to the already overpopulated western Europe.This is all very easy to understand. The numbers are clear. The global north does not owe the global south anything anymore. Get them educated and let them develop their riches like China does, if you can. Get them contraceptives and family planning, if you can. The economic models developed the last century have relied on an expected population growth but we're hitting the limit. They need to be revised. The multiculti COPE isn't working. Never has. Only serves to pave for stagnation and destruction.Boomers are now getting affected by dementia and general frailty associated with age. They are unable to see how they have lived above capacity their whole lives and will likely perpetuate their own youth's mindset to new generations. It will be a challenge for them to understand where reality came from.
>>540169060Both. >>540169067Based.
TRW a white guy says something so racist you gotta hit him with the craddle of civilization stare plus the total ethnic replacement of his people.
>>540169077>Why do you think Belgium is still a place where the Blood Diamond ended up?Corruption and low IQ. Officials in the Congoress are throwing chairs at each other instead of taxating the foreign mining companies and reinvesting smart in the education of the people.
>>540169060>because firsties keep stealing all their shit?If "stealing shit (implying thirdies have anything to steal)" made countries rich the Nordics and South Korea would be dirt poor while Spain and Russia would be economic powerhouses. Yet somehow it's completely the other way around.
>>540169060We should have Deportations, but I don't care about Deportations. These creatures insult us and demand our extinction on a daily basis, and I'm supposed to "respect" their right to their own lands? I want their whole brown race to evolutionarily perish. I have no respect for them anymore, my thoughts for them are naught but infinite malice. Non Whites are genetically evil and should be punished for existing. Evil and subhumanity is genetic. Kindness and empathy is genetic. Intelligence is genetic. Soulless, cruel, stupid, malicious, irrational traits are racial, and non Whites propagate them every time they pass on their genes. The progressive utopia cannot exist without a White utopia free of non White genetic evil.White men are caring less and less about empathy and compassion. The love of the greater number is cooling off. White boys are programmed from youth to have empathy for foreigners and strangers. It’s not natural, it’s brainwashing. You can barely express your true thoughts as a man in the West. You have to keep your true self locked up in a mental cage, lest you lose your income or freedom. Even mundane remarks can land you in jail. Eating a bacon sandwich can get you fired. You are supposed to be mute slaves, and are only allowed to be men when there's a war they need you to die in. Now White men battle violent thoughts all day long and are fast becoming brutalist. Nobody cares about White men. Non-Whites view them as tax cattle and military pawns. White women are viewed as war brides. Once the old Whites pass into the grave, young Whites are going to accelerate the end times and bring about a new system.No more global charity.No more sympathy.No more pity.Remigration will happen. The blacks, browns, and Leftists better get the fuck out while they still have the chance.
>>540169099well just to be clear i like white people but also, people who advocate for civil war or race war are retarded kek. Hitler is directly responsible for the deaths of more white men than anyone in history, he killed half as many Germans as he did jews. The only solution is a peaceful solution. This is because the lives of men, both white and non white, are valuable and non recoverable in a war scenario.
>>540169080mexico and brazil also used industrial subsidies, trade protection, and government loans to support their industriesthe difference was that south korea made its companies compete in the global market by tying government support to export performanceat the time the president personally checked export results in regular meetings and government support was strongly linked to how well companies performed
>>540169101>mexico also used industrial subsidies, trade protection, and government loans to support their industriesThis is true and we experienced an economic miracle back then. The problem is that America was interested in south Korea becoming a developed country to make communists look bad. So they accepted that you guys have unequal treaties. They permitted you to impose tariffs on them, without imposing tariffs on you.This was a unique geopolitical opportunity that the south koreans cashed in intelligently. However, since we are their neighbors, they didnt have to worry about us falling into communism, so they never cared if we remained poor because we were not a flagship state or an ideological battleground for capitalism like you were during the cold war.
>>540169060Korea and Taiwan are global south?
>>540169060both, turdies are low iq to keep letting firsties to steal their shit
>>540169103I think Asian tiger countries get a pass but the maps flip flop
>>540169104It sucks that as a thirdie, you can learn everything about development economics and its not going to matter because your country will still suck. Meanwhile most firsties dont know anything about economics and they still get to live in a first world country and call you retarded because the difficulty settings of their life were set on easy mode from their birth.
>>540169075>India and China were always extremely populated anon.I know. They became even more so given the opportunity. Now they are spilling over in catastrophic numbers. It's not sustainable and the global north cannot be held responsible for it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w
>>540169078The Flynn effect isn't real. Kids' IQs fluctuate>>540169077>Your current lifestyle depends on the current third-world condition for cheap labor and primary producersCare to elaborate?
>>540169108>Care to elaborate?Companies that pool money into European social democracies often exploit third worlders. H&M funds Swedish welfare at the expense of exploitation of manufacturing workers in South and southeast asia
>>540169060>firsties keep stealing all their shitIt's so difficult to explain the industrial revolution to sub 100 IQs. The reason we're not all dirt poor peasants here is the industrial revolution, which created a massive amount of wealth. It's difficult to overstate just how much wealth was created. I mean, what is firstie wealth anyway? Cars, houses, factories? I don't know about you guys but my car or house weren't stolen from an African warlord 200 years ago
>>540169109When you say "exploit", do you mean they offer them jobs? Outsourcing has been a disaster for firstie countries' middle class. In that regard, it might be better for firsties if there was no trade with thirdies
>>540169111Outsourcing only benefits first world elites. It undermines first world working class Labor while taking advantage of third worlders who have been conditioned to expect subpar treatmentThe immigration crisis is an extension of this since the wealthy disdain native European workers for expecting to be treated well and want more pliable people to use instead
>>540169110They were not, not the final product, but the minerals you use to build them are still extracted from the global south. Where does lithium come from? do you mine in it Finland?
>>540169111>Outsourcing has been a disaster for firstie countries' middle classin a way it also benefited them by having dozens of cheap shit products to waste. western consumerism sharply increased with outsourcing
>>540169110>don't know about you guys but my car or house weren't stolen from an African warlord 200 years agoActually they were. The industrial revolution only happened because exploitation of colonies increased wages of laborers to the point where using coal as an energy carrier beat human physical labor in price.
>>540169112Yes, exactly. It's a double whammy. Jobs get exported to communist dictatorships, and thirdies get imported to compete for whatever jobs are left. Neither of these interactions benefits firsties as a whole, aside from some rich people>>540169113Well akshually they're planning on opening lithium mines here. That being said, trade isn't stealing
>>540169060>firsties keep stealing all their shit?If you understood the nature of wealth, you wouldn't ask such stupid questions. They've robbed less developed civilizations in the past and continue to do so. Your bandit country is literally robbing Venezuela and is now bombing Iran to get its share of their oil sales.
>>540169115>exploitation of colonies increased wages of laborersHow does this make sense? Second, the whole point of the industrial revolution was that machines can do things humans simply can't. Even the Romans could run a rail network despite their massive supply of slaves
>>540169118>could*Couldn't
>>540169118>Second, the whole point of the industrial revolution was that machines can do things humans simply can't.Completely wrong and economically illiterate. The whole point of the industrial revolutions was that machines could do things MORE CHEAPLY. Machinization and automization are forms of rationalization to increase the owner's profit by lowering labor cost. The most machinized countries are those with the highest labor costs.
>>540169120>The whole point of the industrial revolutions was that machines could do things MORE CHEAPLYOk, I realize I'm arguing with a retard. Machines can do more, and more cheaply. This lead to a massive increase in wealth, which wouldn't have been possible otherwise, not even with free slave labor. But you seem to be arguing with yourself about some autistic point that's unrelated to my argument
>>540169120Mongols have never been known for their intelligence. He probably doesnt even know what wars over markets mean.
>>540169122but you are the mongol
>>540169123If I'm a m, then you're a jeet who should go back to India Pakistan or wherever their nest is.
>>540169124this is my homeland sweetie. or else you have to go back in gobi too
>“us firsties are superior übermensch”>can't fucking draw a straight line on a map to get their point across>don't understand what a hasty generalization or genetic fallacy are>don't understand concepts such as brain-drain and how they benefit from escaped talent>don't admit the impacts of colonization, freemasonry, black ops like Fast and Furious, globalist shenanigans like Bill Gate's vaccination campaigns in Africa, etc.>don't realize how they've benefitted from talented and successful “thirdies” immigrating to their nation>ignore poor and homeless people in their own country who live worse than “thirdies”>ignore Kissinger Report>think a biological accident like the ethnic group you were born into or the country you happened to be born into is some kind of success to be proud of
>firsties are the superior aryan master race>go to die for jews in foreign territory while being proud of itThe aryan power ladies and gentlemenkek
>>540169125You literally act like a tsigan, nobody likes tsigans.In my country there used to be a man in every village who would run from house to house shouting "Tsigans are coming, hide all your things."
>>540169128>mongols piss and shit their pants if they see meebro your capital used to be called 'leaves' because of a hohol-gypsy mutt, just shut up
>>540169122Isn't this a bit ironic coming from central asian -stan countries. Like cmon nigga you were in the mongol conquest path.
We're thirdie thovghbeit
>>540169121Also, I should have posted this graph to begin with. The whole point of the graph is that thirdies' wealth wasn't stolen, they never had it in the first place. They never had practically any wealth because they never industrialized. Their wealth has gone up in absolute terms, but they're extremely poor in comparison because other countries outpaced them
>>540169081Baby boomers are not obsessed with the 6-7 meme and CocoMelon. They can write cursive and their homeworks were accomplished with zero ChatGPT assistance. You need some critical thinking, bravery and a good moral compass, not moral relativism, to resist social engineering PSYOPS in the New World Order. You obviously weren't taught to respect your elders, brat.
This question has already been answered you're just not allowed to talk about it in polite society
>>540169097Which people? Countries in Africa are divided into tribes. Congo has been at war with Rwanda and small tribes ever since it's independent. Ask yourself, do you think it's high IQ if you want everyone in Europe, regardless of ethnicity, to get access to welfare? No, you will say, "Ehm, I would not want to help the Negros or other brownoids because they are killing us!!! That's exactly how African tribes see one another, and low IQ doesn't mean people can't be rich; the mine owners only need to do a basic calculation, and they are very rich. The reason is that nobody wants to interfere with the current affairs, and as mineral flow, and then they are happy to keep the status quo.
>>540169134>You're just not allowed to talk about it in polite society.Because it will turn against most white people, including the overwhelming majority of the Chuds.If you say you are poor because you have a low IQ, then you have to apply that same logic to Zoomers' complaints.You are being replaced by Indians?It seems you are expendable and not unique enough.You can't buy a house?It seems you are too stupid to get a good job.You can't find a good job?It seems your IQ is too low to get on board.You can't get laid and raise a family?Clearly, you are an evolutionary dead end.But nope, you're going to flip to a leftist narrative, just with added racism:"The Jeets and Jews engineered my misery!"How long will it take for people to realize that to the rich, most whites are just brownoids with pale skin?
>>540169136All these points you raise are so delusional that I don't even know where to begin. But you're right in one sense, the poor natives are most hurt by immigration. They're the ones who will have to compete for jobs with low IQ immigrants, the they're the ones who can't afford to white flight away from immigrant ghettos
>>540169060It's generally speaking much more complex than either of these answers.
>>540169121>Machines can do more, and more cheaply.Lolno, not everything. 'Cheap' is function of cost of machinery vs. labor cost. This might come as a shock to you but a lot of stuff in economies are around the planet is done by humans you know.This is literally the mainstream theory of industrialization btw, that wage growth in the UK outpaced things like cost of coal and the maltusian trap. Machination is a function of high labor cost.
>>540169132They don't industrialize because their wages are kept artificially low.
>>540169140>artificiallyHow do you know that if you can't type a second sentence explaining how their wages would be low for any other reason than having lots of unskilled people?
>>540169139You seem to be arguing something that has nothing to do with my argument. Like I said, the level of wealth we have is a result of the industrial revolution, and would not be possible without it
>>540169135There has been tries getting people educated but what usually happens is girls get married and pregnant because it's the low IQ tradition. The villages doesn't even have paved roads. Governments might get money for developing infrastructure but it never reaches the people. The people doesn't bring about change. They leave.
>>540169141>what is china>>540169143Actually these efforts have been largely successful, Africans in general are more educated and have a higher quality of life than ever.
>>540169144>Africans in general are more educated and have a higher quality of life than everThat depends on your definition of success. Africa didn't become another Sweden. No wait...
>>540169145Well no, but it would be unreasonable to expect African states to rise to the level of one of the best countries in the world in less than a century.
>>540169146And how long did it take Sweden? Or Finland/Norway?>>540169144>what is chinaAlso, I should point out that the Chinese have a high IQ and are industrializing rapidly
poverty is the base state of humanity They are tremendously richer than all of their ancestors but there is no reason to believe they will ever be as comparatively wealthy and functional as first world societies. Human capital accumulation is difficult
>>540169147>And how long did it take Sweden? Or Finland/Norway?Our current standards are a result of a process that started in the 16th century or so.>ChinaThat was mainly an example of deliberate wage suppression, Japan is similar though there it's done in the form of currency manipulation. Though contrary to what the German claimed, it's not an impediment to industrialization in itself, but rather growth of living standards.
>>540169144China has risen from poverty since the 50s by their high IQ, family planning and staying put in their country.They are now in a position to invest in Africa and South America. Accepting investments from the west and sticking to the plan has worked for them. A huge negative for Africa is likely the tiresome heat but South Africa is advancing from the core of civilization.Rwanda is advancing. There's movement but it requires dedication.Stopping the brain drain is a joint venture between two countries.
>>540169063bulgaria's hdi is 0.845 same as romania
>>540169149>Our current standards are a result of a process that started in the 16th century or soI highly doubt that, I doubt industrialisation really took more than a century
>>540169152It didn't, but a large part of current Northern European prosperity is due to the dissemination of literacy starting with the reformation.
>>540169153Ok, but that gets into a totally different argument
>>540169109>believing African immigration to Sweden brings value >assuming multinational corps pay taxes anywhere
>>540169079india only really started trying to link up with the West after their economy went to shit in the early 90's, and after the Soviet Union fell. China became enemies of the soviets in the 70s, and have a couple decades head start on them. Also, like you mentioned, china has a dictatorship to cut through red tape. India had the permit raj.
>>540169154Well, there's also the fact that (most) thirdie countries have operated as extractive economies where the labor force has been regarded as second tier or non-citizens, up until quite recently in many cases.
>>540169157>extractive economiesAs opposed to what? Industrial powerhouses? Intellectual property R&D powerhouses? Why do you think that is?
>>540169158A multitude of factors really.
>>540169159And if I ask you to elaborate, you'll list a bunch of factors that correlate with low IQ?
>>540169160That's certainly one aspect, but attributing it to low IQ alone is as reductive as blaming it solely on a nebulous and ill-defined "colonialism".
>>540169161Of course, reality is complex. But you're about to take symptoms of low IQ behavior and assert that these cause thirdie societies to be shit, aren't you?
Whites are direct descendants of neanderthals and homo sapiens and their brains developed first and bigger than ours thanks to the cold, this happened to survive with -40 C. We were born in a paradise with blue waters with frutal trees and fish everywhere. Chinks are smart too because China is cold af.
>>540169137>Delusion for calling out exactly the right wing narrative.Ok, so the natives can't compete with low-IQ immigrants?That makes them even lower IQ if we are going to use IQ as a standard measurement.>>540169150China rose from poverty because they changed the system and got integrated into the global economy by being the sweatshop of the world. Otherwise they would have been rich from the start if IQ were the main reason.>>540169147Scandinavia became a unified state very early, had early access to global trade, and was able to ride on the achievements of the British fleet protecting the seas. Africa was, and largely still is, tribal in many locations.Industrialization can only take place when there is a way to build industry because you need roads and ports to bring in machines, and you can't have that when people are busy fighting each other for control of raw resources and divided into tribes. But look at Rwanda, it stopped fighting a civil war and it got a lot better than others.
>>540169063I agree with this map, we aren't "poor", our only problem is state corruption
>>540169162I don't think I've done that so far, have I?
>>540169164>Ok, so the natives can't compete with low-IQ immigrants?Compete by lowering their wages to Indian levels? Surprisingly, many natives don't want to do that
>>540169166You're right, I shouldn't be presumptious as to assume what you're going to argue. Well then, would you like to elaborate on these multitude of factors you brought up?
>>540169167This doesn't happen imc.
>>540169169It will, if you import foreigners to the point where the safety net breaks. Of course, Norway has oil money, so you're free to import more
>>540169168Well, obviously it depends on the country and region, but probably the most common factors are a lack of institutions, decentralization and debt burden, in many cases somewhat contingent on geographical and environmental factors.
>>540169165there is more to being civilized than not being poor
>>540169170The sectors that use a lot of foreign workers tend to follow tariff norms, the few that didn't (for example construction) now have specific laws to prevent social dumping.
>>540169171What if we did a social experiment? Like import a bunch of normal IQ whites into a climate like Australia? Would they thrive? Or what if we imported a bunch of low IQ people into Norway? Would they do well?
>>540169174>AustraliaTheir development is largely a result of benefiting from existing British institutions and access to trade and was not created ex nihilo, same with for example Canada.>what if we imported a bunch of low IQ people into Norway? Would they do well?I don't really understand what you're asking, were they to run the country on their own? If so, no, likely not.
most aggressive nordic conversation
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>>223630557India benefited from these same British institutions, so did many other British colonies. Why is it that only some prosper while others don't? What is the commonality here? Can't quite put my finger on it.Of course, there will always be more special pleading. So many socioeconomic factors, but no-one knows what causes them. It must be just historical coincidence. Some people don't seem to do well anywhere, no matter what socioeconomic factors we try to fix for them. Yet we must avoid drawing the obvious conclusions
>>540169060Both are true at the same time.
>>540169060>meaningless mutt labels>big debate
