Previous Bake >>539838190Howdy, y'all! Welcome to the new Southern Nationalist General! A thread for posting Southern art, history, culture and discussing Southern political theory and Pro-Southern Activism. Moreover, it's also a place for Southern Nationalists to talk and rally against the Anti-Dixie PsyOp that's been ravaging /pol/ and Pro-White Spaces since before COVID.First-Ever Bake; if you've got something you think that deserves to go in the OP slap it down in the thread.LITERATURE:>In Defense of Virginia, R. L. Dabneyhttps://www.gutenberg.org/files/47422/47422-h/47422-h.htm>Confederate America, R. Lynden Cowperhttps://docsouth.unc.edu/imls/cowper/cowper.html>Experience of a Confederate Chaplain, 1861-1864; Rev. A. D. Bettshttps://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/betts/betts.html>Sociology for the South, George Fitzhughhttps://docsouth.unc.edu/southlit/fitzhughsoc/fitzhugh.htmlVIDEOS:>Confederacy Edit by Sw_nerdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pohvTboeyF4>Confederate edit by Holy Vanguardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g031_hJtmwU>The Old Dominion - CSA Edit by Ursa Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjNa-lhlfU
Sorry it's been a minute since the last bake. Real life had me in a tight spot. Let's get this ball rolling.
>>540210221Hello im a male immigrant in america with verified noble aristocrat blood from overseas Any southern american from an old family like lee or ravenels or pickneys or randolphs or something in this thread
>states rights
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>>540211038Is that a Bible cover made out of Polk's flag? Based.
>>540211158Yeah, I'd like you to go back where you came from.
>>540211185problem with that billy yank?
>>540210221North-South divide is silly 200 years later
>>540211185State's Rights and a White Man's government, Amen.
Did know know Tom Jackson love lemon favor?
>>540211295not in this thread nigger
>>540211295Nah, the regions of the country are still distinct culturally and linguistically. The Yankees forgot about it but for us it never went away in our memory.
>>540211324I do know he was fond of lemons.
>>540211234>During the American Civil War, a bible flag was a miniature, hand-sewn national or state flag—often just a few inches in size—made by women at home and given to departing soldiers. Soldiers tucked these tiny tokens inside their pocket-sized Bibles to serve as patriotic bookmarks and keepsakes from loved ones.
>>540211267Any females from your family i can marry
>>540211413I didn't know this was a thing! Based. I want one now.
>>540211038Remind that Polk indirectly caused the death of A.S. Johnston.>>540211234Incompetent and disobedient, taking Kentucky's River Fort was a somewhat based strategic move.
>>540211399or maybe he prefer peach
>>540211515I don't know too much about that honestly.
>>540211367you are from Paraguay this doesn't concern you unless you want concede you're using a vpn in bad faith>>540211369It doesn't really matter when the white race in both regions is jeopardized you're idealizing your regionalism as if the country is still 90% white both sides of the civil war were fucked with no contingency for the aftermath. Had the south won they would have been broke and Jewish bankers would have swept in to financially enslave the country they even discussed this at the time. There was no good ending to the civil war
yeehaa by gosh by golly dang it Ya hear! I'm a good ol' southern boy
>>540211641I'm not, "idealizing," anything. That's my actual identity. The problem with 90% of the (((Movement))) is it's all LARPers who are playing pretend at something they're not.>Had the south won they would have been broke and jewish bankers would have swept in to financially enslave the countryYou mean like exactly what happened with the Union?The CSA was against central banking and centralized government, two things that make an environment toxic for the kind of jewish subversion we have today.
>>540211492>Flag of the Republic of the Rio Grande>Flag of Vietnam>Flsg of Morocco>Chilean Navy 's naval flag>White Star Line flag>Flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina>Flag of Kosovo>Flag of Curaçao>Belgian CongoCan't believe they rip off Bonnie Blue Flag and Jane Long Flag.
>>540211602Whats your family name where did you grew up and who are your people if you cant say it then stop larping>>540211515Youre a pro confederate history geek talking to a guy who might be larping as a someone from an old southern family thats been here since 1600s 1700s
>>540211641i am here to paricipate
>>540211859>1600s-1700sSince Norman and Anglo-Saxon conflict of 1215 or finished off 1640s civil war
>>540211744Yes exactly what happened to the Union. There was even a jew in the csa that moved to paris and burnt all of his documents after the war. No matter how much you think they were against central banking someone would have eventually caved to them sooner or later especially after the Scofield study bible gave rise to a bunch of southern evangelical jewish shills
Confederate jews played both sides of the war they were anti slave pro union and pro slave pro confederate at same time.
>>540211953His escape was vey mystery?https://youtu.be/b8cdq6jdFSI?t=496&si=A_gCf_CLfaFIfVlr
>>540211859>he really think i'll dox myself over my own 4chan general
>>540211492will cost you upwards of $10,000
>>540211953Judah P. Benjamin burned his documents to keep people from finding out who the Confederate spies were, retard.>someone would have eventually caved to them sooner or later>uuuhhhh no i have no primary source evidence for this>they just would OK!Also Dispensationalism is fucking dying in the South and all over the US, lol. The surge didn't even survive its chief founders.
>>540212235I could probably get one made for me.
>>540212358I cant stand him but his father is goated
>>5402102214th VA CAV checking in.
>>540211295>>540211859Southern nationalism emerged in the 1830s as the South developed a strong sense of distinctiveness and perceived itself as surrounded by enemies, particularly the North. Southern leaders and intellectuals began to defend slavery not as a necessary evil but as a "positive good," arguing that it created a hierarchical society superior to the North’s democratic and capitalist systems. By sought to justify the South’s economic, cultural, and social independence. Southern (Dixies) nationalists promoted economic self-sufficiency, southern-oriented educational and religious institutions, and a distinctive literature to reinforce regional identity. Efforts to diversify the southern economy, such as expanding railroads and manufacturing, were part of this nationalist agenda, alongside the creation of independent colleges to protect southern youth from northern influence.
THREAD THEME:https://youtu.be/mxw8xg1lpp4
>>540212396I like both, Hank Jr. pisses me off with some of the stances he takes.
>>540212235>>540211492Uncle Joe Stalin from native Georgia?!?!
>>540212729what stances? I dont know too much about him I just dont care for his songs
>>540212722Poles revolt in arm (1863-1864)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un4yCcj3wA8
>>540212438I had an ancestor in 3rd LA Cavalry.
>confederate >nationalismYall are alright but nationalism kinda flys in the face of the whole thing. If you're from more than a state or two over I don't actually particularly want you here either. My state is my home first and formost. I appreciate you not being carbetbaggers but even if closer you're ultimately still not from here either. The republic aspect of things is kinda central here as i see it.
>>540213469>he rejects a term actually used by contemporary secessionists to describe their viewsYou thought you were really smart when you posted that, didn't you?
>>540212872Shoulda said that in first place
If you were in Jefferson Davis's position, which single city would you choose to abandon in order to concentrate your defense strategy, whether in the North or the South?
>>540214089I dont know much about the military aspects of it all I just know politically, philosophically, diplomatically, and spiritually, that the south was right
Do you guys like hiking in Appalachia?
>>540212254yes I'm sure it just entailed that and nothing else.Its called pattern recognition. All of the countries who broke free from another has taken on a form of financial slavery one way or another. Which lead me to believe that the agrarian south with the highest income inequality in America at the time with barely an industrial base would have been susceptible to adopt central banking or take out exorbant post war loans and be indebted to various banking clans. The banking clans were discussing this hypothetical at the time anyways
>>540210221WISH I WAS IN THE LAND OF COTTON OLDE TYMES THERE ARE NOT FORGOTTEN LOOK AWAY LOOK AWAY LOOK AWAY DIXIE LAND
>>540213915Why?
>>540214089Oh look, this davey crockett fag over here is gonna tell us all about how defensible tennesee was (it ain't)
>>540214089I avoid getting into speculative history nowadays because studying it more you begin to understand the period better and why those people made those decisions. Especially the Civil War and in American history, generally; so many literate people focused on keeping records and justifying their decisions, it's easy to learn why they held the perspectives they do.
>>540214251Based.
>>540214894>family gets raped by uncle sam>wow I'm going to join that nation my dad fought against because of "muh patriotism" Real southerner hate the USA and will not serve this country led by tyrants since lincoln.
>>540214724by 1865 albeit very late in the war they were investing in factories. nigger slave run factories of course lmfao
>>540214724Hey pal - I hate to be the one to tell you this, but it's litereally not all jews. It's a cabal of Chabad Lubavitch Pedo-Cannibal Zionists. Theodore Herzl wanted people to think it was all jews because it allows them to strengthen their loxist anti-Zionist movement by bring in other jews to their side.If more jews were like this guy who dedicated his life to a White Supremacist Confederate Republic, nobody would hate jews.
>>540214288I would love to more but I haven't been back in a long time. Also the region currently for personal reasons has a bittersweet quality to me.
>>540211413>women
>>540214997You better not use the words, "Davy Crockett," and, "Fag," in the same sentence unless there's an, "isn't," somewhere between.
I cant help but notice the more recent of an immigrant a person is, or more accurately their parents are, the more diehard fanatical to the Union they are. Like that asian girl who made that one tiktok claiming that southern heritage is “taking a fat L” or this balkanoid pic related. Why is this?
>>540215101Southerners always have been, "Of America, not in America," sort of since the Civil War. The overwhelming majority of Confederates were descended from the Patriots of '76, compared to the Union even which is ironic.When that picture was taken national feeling was towards unity. It helped that overall Anti-Southern sentiment was dead. There was a sense we would all be one Republic again and our rights would be respected. The Civil Rights Era did a blow to that. 9/11 was a big unifying event but GWOT's aftermath changed a lot of that.
>>540215190Sherman-posters just prove how retarded they really are. The real Sherman while a hated enemy of the South would never have cosigned on or indulged in all this bullshittery. In fact he hated the song, "Marching Through Georgia," because he thought gloating over the South was unchivalrous. He even hated, "Battle Hymn of the Republic," for the same reason. When bands would play it in his honor he would very directly demand they stop.
>>540215227Yeah there was a time when hypergamy was restrained and women weren't rewarded for being trash and were groomed into behaving like good supportive women for the men. The South was probably the last place in America to fall to all this feminist bullshit.
>>540215459Imagine unifying with tyranny which is the federal government and nothing that the founders wanted. They still spit in the face of the south. They preach hatred for it and everything about the it's tradition. Yet you can sit here and completely cope about that as if we are all one people? Look around you, the republican party of today is the republican party of the 1860s. The democrats are the exact same in terms of federal power.
>>540215418I'm glad someone else noticed it. I've been pointing it out for a while now and I can say why: the Confederacy overwhelmingly was lead by and full of Nativists, i.e. people who didn't even want European immigration to the US because they judged rightly they would become subversive opportunists and lacked the character to maintain a democracy.The CSA was explicitly founded on White Supremacist principles, i.e. the idea White Americans had the natural right to maintain control over governmental, religious, economic, social and all other institutions in their nation. Now, "White," at that time in the American Context just meant, "Old Stock American," which of course was a Caucasian descended from the Old Stock Settlers.They hate the Confederacy and have to because it represents an order that would have denied them the ability to come here, take advantage of our civilization and then turn around and call us all evil bastards for our trouble. You'll notice, it's always these people who side with Nons against Americans and support Anti-White policies and cultural trends.It's also where the vociferous Anti-Southern sentiment comes from among the Sherman-Posters. For actual Union veterans and their descendants, by the late 19th century there was a bittersweetness about victory and a remorse for what Americans had done to one another. The Alien has no such qualms; he eagerly sides with the Federal Government as his protection - that entity brought him here, that entity protects him against the native population the Republic is supposed to represent.Every time a supposed, "White American," Shermanposts you can count on him being:>not white>a sub-white ellis island mutantIt's almost always one of the two. They're almost never Old Stock Americans with Union Veteran ancestors.
>>540215668Not at the time that photograph was taken, no. Birth of a Nation was shown in the White House and endorsed by the US President. All the Anti-Southern stuff you're talking about is a late 20th century phenomenon. You're interposing a viewpoint we have now as Southern Nationalists with one that our ancestors had in a total different time period. It's silly and immature.
>>540215900I don't really think nationalism is southern either. I don't care when that picture was taken. The politics of today have not changed. Every president throughout the 20th century and today is an overreach of power. America was never supposed to be an empire. Southerners didn't want that. Southerners didn't want us to be where we are today and I look around and I have to ask myself who gives a shit about the US at all after 1865?
>>540215182>Dedicated toYou mean willing to profit off of, you absolute fool. There are no good Jews. Even when they help you, they are not good Jews. They ALWAYS have an ulterior motive and they will ALWAYS betray you when it's convenient for them.
Modern-day displays of confederate iconography are based. Lee, Jackson, and Forrest were valiant men of honor, worthy of praise and admiration. Performative patriotism, decrying southerners as traitors, is brown-and-fag-coded. The war between the states is the American Iliad, but it was wrong for our southern brothers to do what they did because we are stronger together. That is beyond obvious in retrospect owing to what a calamity it ended up bringing the south. Dixie was goaded into it by an entrenched clique of plantation owners who exploited their pet niggers to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellow white countrymen and regional progress as a whole. Modern big business’s reliance on imported 3rd world labor is reminiscent of this. Slavery was holding Dixie back, and the aristocratic society that it lent itself toward was not worth preserving. The average southerner was worse off than the average northerner in most ways. They were poorer. Most white children in the south did not attend school. White southern adults had ~3x the illiteracy rate as their northern counterparts. I’m not defending reconstruction or civil rights. If southerners didn’t chimp out like they did, fates such as the 14th amendment might have been avoided. We might have been able to solve the terrible problem offered by the presence of the negro on this continent. If southern nationalism was going to manifest itself, it needed to do so in the 1860s or earlier. Modern calls for southern nationalism are a gay, cringe, and retarded larp. The later post-war era came to be characterized as true reconciliation. Our wayward southern brethren were brought back into the fold and we’re all better off for it. Most leaders and generals of the rebellion ended up with virtually no punishment. This is something that Europeans can learn from us – a capacity to set aside our hatreds, and come together in peace and love in order to forge a better future for ourselves and our posterity.
>>540215418Because the Civil War was actually a war between the Yankees and the Americans.
Monarchy is NOT southern and NOT part of American traditionNationalism is NOT southern and NOT part of the American traditionSTATE Sovereignty, a local government where you vote and decide locally how you want to live. So that Virginia can do what Virginia wants. So that Tennessee and Georgia can do what they want. This includes slavery. This includes whatever you fags want. You vote for it and locally this power decides who to elect. People you can actually trust. Not some FAGGOT in Washington. Not a federal government taxing you. Property tax should never exist. States should provide military at a local level. We don't need one big all powerful military. Our government was modeled by the founders after classical republics. Athens cared about Athens. Not some big greek country with a king.
>>540216336Schools are founded as a religion for yankees to poison the minds of children. OH WOW MUH SCHOOLS! I CANT WANT TO BRAINWASH MY CHILDREN!
>>540210221How would you deal with the Melungeons?
MUH HECKIN SCHOOLS I CANT WAIT TO SAY THE PLEDGE TO THE YANKEE FLAG
>>540216036I think you're drunk and not understanding, at all, what I'm trying to tell you here or understanding the nuance that Southerners believed we had retained a seat at the table as equals again. I don't disagree about federal overreach or that we aren't supposed to be an Empire - although there was a time we did have imperial ambitions like with the Golden Circle.
>>540216061So why did Judah P. Benjamin literally never do that?
>>540216669Public schools are good, actuallyYou dumb southern hick
>>540216630To a large degree schools in the south were replaced with... nothing. This might be an actual argument if southern whites weren't comparatively poor and illiterate.
>>540215182I know there were kikes who served the Third Reich too, but how to Neo-Confederates feel about this Edomite? Not accusing the Confederacy of kikery or anything, just wondering.
>>540215220This is near Louisville? I found the part of Indiana that borders Kentucky intriguing and wish to return in cooler weather.
>>540216792do*
>>540216716>golden circleSo to you, southern tradition is not about defending what the founders started... it's about some stupid LARP. Every side of my family fought in the war for the south and none of them owned slaves. I don't give a shit about your gone with the wind big house bullshit or banana republic fantasy. I want you to get mad and realize what it was really about how nothing has changed.
>>540210221Southerners are good Christian folk who hate socialism. I like them. Even if they are kind of dumb. I hate niggers. Niggers are even dumber. I hate niggers. I think the Confederates were right about making niggers slaves to be honest. The non-Aryan races are servile.
>>540216769>>540216773Schools where American history boils down to race politics where they learn nothing. Kids go to school and come out worse than they started. They Prussian bullshit. Intended by abolitionists to brainwash the kids and look at academia today. People worship it like a religious institution.
>>540216336>it was wrong for our southern brothers to do what they didIt was more wrong for the Yankees to wage a violent war of conquest against us.>That is beyond obvious in retrospect owing to what a calamity it ended up bring the south."I blame the people who resisted a tyrant bravely for the suffering said tyrant visited upon them as a consequence.">Dixie was goaded into it by an entrenched clique of plantation owners blah blah blah a bunch of bullshit that isn't supported by socioeconomic facts of the periodEven if I allowed this you'd have to acknowledge the Industrial Capitalists of the North happily profited off the War Between the States - which I bet you won't do.>Modern big business's reliance on imported 3rd world laborIs not reminiscent of this situation at all. Southern defense of slavery was the only sane and reasonable path towards maintaining White Supremacy. This was a system brought here by British Imperialism which our economies were dependent upon to survive. A bunch of jews and their shabbos goy capitalists deciding to bring Apu in here and let him take over the country because he's a better slave has nothing in common with the paternalist, racially hierarchical plantation system.>White southern adults had ~3x the illiteracy rate as their northern counterparts.Flatly untrue. Mississippi alone in the United States had more college educated people in it than all of New England in 1861.>If southerners didn't chimp outThe Reconstruction you claim not to support would've happened faster and more brutally. Judging my people for resisting tyranny because it inconvenienced whatever gay Yankee Imperialism you prefer isn't Based.>Modern calls for southern nationalism are a gay, cringe, and retarded larpReally? As opposed to all the guys as Old Stock as me around here daydreaming about being in the SS? No, I have a real Blood-and-Soil Nationalism. This is who I actually am.
>>540216503>Monarchy is NOT southern and NOT part of American traditionCorrect.>Nationalism is NOT southern and NOT part of the American traditionViolently incorrect.I agree with your description of how democracy should work. I support ethnocentric democratic modes of government. But you are pretending like all our elections at all levels are not insanely astroturfed.
>>540216644Gut reaction is total deportation.
>>540216769In principle, yeah. But how they actually function now are Federally-controlled brainwashing institutions that perpetuate child abuse.
>>540216792Judah was loyal to the Cause and gave his utmost for it, simple as.
>>540216813I really don't know why you're so mad at me.
>>540216933Based.
>>540217052>Violently incorrect. Why is it incorrect? What about the south is "nationalistic"? There is some nationalism or patriotism for the state, but what is nationalism? Why should there be a binding mono culture in America? We are not a nation of the same people. We were full of a divided country then and we have a divided country now. There should not be a singular nation to define us. I think you don't have any clue about what this country is.
>>540216993The south was never about white supremacy. Southerners were less racist than the north before and after the war. 19th century American didn't give a shit about race. It was white people who burnt and pillaged the south. Fellow Europeans. We have fought whites for centuries. What makes you think we can sing and hold hands together and be one people? You and I don't even agree right now. We spend half our time on /pol/ arguing with fellow whites.
>>540216336Nah fuck off, the South sesneeded as a defensive measure due to Northern Aggression. If the South had won then we’d have genetically-engineered catgirls for domestic ownership by now.
>>540216933Everybody made niggers slaves. The fundamental issue was, who has the right to dictate this, the feds or the states? The Missouri compromise was a thorn in people's sides, because it was a declaration that the feds could dictate what was a right of the states based on an arbitrary line, and essentially not allow new states from those territories to enter into the union on equal footing (which is a constitutional requirement) with those who came before it (because they were allowed to decide the issue for themselves, as some did in banning it within their respective states and others did not). Add in the feds backing industrialists and banks to economical fuck over and enslave the south, so they could force their will onto them and commit even more wealth transfer than they already had been doing, and people were just fed up with the direction the feds were going.If you think that's dumb, consider that during prohibition, only the sale, distribution, and manufacture (recently overturned, by the way, since it was a contentious issue even then that manufacture does not always mean manufacturer with intent to distribute) of alcohol was illegal, but not the possession, consumption, nor purchase, because it was viewed as unheard of, unconstitutional tyranny for the feds to have any control over what a private citizen can possess, consume, or purchase... Now compare that with the federal powers that exist today, that they believe they can control all six of those over a private citizen.
>>540216993>Mississippi alone in the United States had more college educated people in it than all of New England in 1861.Most delusional post in this thread.
>>540217052Is it because you think nationalism is like national socialism? A racial identity? Nationalism is a government identity. America is Americans getting together and having a government. A national government. Nationalism is identifying as American. It's not what people believe it is today, which in that time period where people thought of it as an ethnic group. Hitler wanted an empire for Germans. When before nationalism was Prussians or Austrians. The idea of the word shifted I guess. Sure Robert E. Lee was a nationalist for Virginia, his home's local government. So in that sense you are right, it was nationalistic
>>540217232No one's asking for a binding monoculture. That's not what Southern Nationalism even is. Southern Nationalism recognizes there are things across all the Confederate States we share in common, including a shared history together strugging for independence against the Union.
>>540217348You are confusing Le Hollywood Klansman-Skinhead-Nazi White Supremacy with historic, Southern White Supremacy.>19th century American didn't give a shit about race.This is painfully wrong and makes you almost too ignorant to have this discussion with. You don't even understand how ethinc groups within White America viewed one another to say nothing of the Slavery question.
>>540217492Superbly Based, well said.
>>540217863That is a provable statistic.
>>540217348how old is the word racism again
>>540218186>Nationalism is a government identity.Actually that's Fascism. Do you not think Americans are a nation, regardless of what government rules over them?
>>540218575I just kind of get tired of people on all sides thinking niggers were the entire point and missing the central issue that we still suffer from to this day.>Based! Hate niggers!>Hmm states' rights? State's rights to do WHAT, chud?!Replace niggers with smoking cigarettes or weed, or whatever, and it's still the same issue. Article I, sections 8, 9, and 10 of the Constitution of the United States clearly lays out what rights, powers, and limitations the states and the federal government have; anything not listed in there, refer to Amendments IX and X in the Bill of Rights. It's literally that shrimple, or was supposed to be. We were supposed to be a union of different states/countries domestically, and united as one in foreign matters. E Pluribus Unum isn't just some neat sounding Latin shit, but the essence of what we were. The (smart) founders looked at every nation and empire throughout history to find the problems with centralization and the problems with decentralization, and find a way to strike a balance that would extract all of the benefits of both systems, while minimizing their respective detriments. Everyone can have their own little country however they want, and we come together when there's an external threat or issue, but people now just want a strong central government in D.C., rather than letting everyone have what they want within their own little countries that make up the union, and somehow cannot figure out why they have no real representation and why their liberties are continually eroded.
