capitalism relies on a continuous supply of poorfags who will accept the working conditions the market demands for the boss to make profits. Unless the government forces the boss to do something (communism) the boss will never hire natives over immigrants out of solidarity.
>>540227462>Laws is communism now
>>540227462Communist terrorists have continually engaged in street violence, assassination and intimidation in support of open borders.
>>540227462>capitalismYou get the jeet flood>national socialismYou get to freeze to death under Stalingrad, while your wife sells herself to the Allied soldier>communismYou get an ethnostateChoose yourself
>>540227516government telling people how to run their business is the opposite of capitalism
>>540227462(((Capitalism))) is a race to the bottom for the cheapest labor. Importing shitskin is vital.
Oh no. You asked the forbidden.
>>540227536technically the Soviet Union was not an ethnostate, central asians and siberians exist
>>540227680Governments definition have the authority to decide what business is allowed within their borders.By your standards capitalism has never existed, and everything that has ever existed is communism.
>>540227533Open borders is something that only happens in liberal western countries. Just compare Western Germany to Eastern Germany
>>540227462>Is it even possible to have capitalism without mass immigration?Yes, it worked for decades without a problem. Then came socialists, then immigration. With immigration, the big problems came.
>>540227836But western liberal capitalist countries always tend towards open borders. Look at socialist China versus capitalist Taiwan. One is a closed borders ethno state, the other is getting filled with jeets and jungle gooks as we speak, despite both being ethno states originally.
>>540227462>capitalism relies on a continuous supply of poorfags who will accept the working conditions the market demands for the boss to make profits.Who told you that?
>>540227836having regulations does not mean you can tell people who to hire.the only way to force businesses to hire natives at a good wage is to use force unironically because any political candidate proposing such a thing would get shot within a week
>>540227906What socialists? Right wing parties have overseen massive floods of shitskins all over the west, like Reagan in America, Boris in the UK, and Merkel in Germany. Currently Japan is going the same way.
>>540228047Show your real flag and tell us what you do for work.
>>540227906>Yes, it worked for decades without a problem.Literally where? Anglo-Saxon capitalism has always relied on immigration from Europe, which was possible because Europeans were poor. Now the poor people are all brown. The reason Black people are even in America is because plantation owners needed free labor.Communist parties have always opposed influx of foreign workers.
>>540228047>having regulations does not mean you can tell people who to hire.It means you can tell people who not to hire
>>540228041Can you make examples of capitalism working without poorfags? Who is going to be your uber driver under capitalism?
>>540228167Sure, but in a capitalist society the power is concentrated at the hands of the owner class, and they want more labour and more consumers. Which is why western liberal capitalist societies always tend towards open borders. And capitalist societies tend towards being more liberal.
>>540227462https://youtube.com/shorts/SXRsQKV9qS0
>>540227462Yes. Capitalism did great between whenever you want to pin it as starting, somewhere in the 18th century and 1970. The issue is not capitalism, the issue is a compromised government which no longer holds the reins of corporations. Government must lead the corpos, not the other way round.
>>540228216>Can you make examples of capitalism working without poorfags?Sure. I own a business now, I don't hire anybody, wouldn't hire a non-white under any circumstances, and since the product I sell is a premium/luxury natural food product my customers aren't 70IQ mud ducks who collect welfare.What part of my business do you feel relies on importing some sub-Saharan cannibals and putting them on welfare?
>>540228309>Government must lead the corposThis is not capitalism. You are a socialist, essentially.
>>540228309Government forced your plantation owners to bring thousands of Black people to America instead of paying Irish and British immigrants a decent wage?
>>540228258>they want more labourWhat sort of jobs does the average sub Saharan African get when they arrive in your country? How difficult has it been for you to compete with them in the job market?
>>540228385>bring thousands of Black people to AmericaNiggers weren't used as beasts of burden because they were cheap, but because they were resistant to heat and tropical diseases. Also cotton and tobacco farming is doing fine today with very little labor input whatsoever.
>>540228338I hope you understand you are the exception and not the rule. Most businesses, from small ones to big corpos, do have employees, and they will always want to hire people who will accept less. In my country business owners working in tourism only hire indians and pakistani because they accept a monthly wage of 800 euros and live 5 of them in an apartment.
>>540228348You are confusing laissez faire capitalism with all capitalism. Protectionism is and has been a part of capitalism since its inception. If you allow corpos to do whatever they want the citizen, worker and buyer will be destroyed over time, it is not sustainable.>>540228385I don't think they did, no. Slaves were imported to work manual labor jobs all over the americas, it was the style at the time. Also probably more of a mercantilism thing honestly.
>>540227462The migration is due to low birth rates and low birth rates are due to retirement plans where people know they will retire and that nanny state will take care of them when they are old.Every shit we are in tigh now is due to socialism slowly destroying any society and social coherency.Anyone rambling about capitalism, an idea that anyone can own capital and there should be no slavery nor nobility that can own everything and only rent it to the people, is at fault is a fucking retard.
>>540228400Many Africans do work. But immigration is not simply just about workers. It is also about creating consumers. A nigger in Africa can consume maybe 2000 dollars a year in products. Bring him to America and he instantly can consumer 20000 dollars. Corporations are happy, more people to sell to. Sure, the nigger lifestyle is subsided by taxes, but that is not the business owner problem.
>>540228481Black people were literally slaves so they did not have to pay them at all, unlike white irish workers.Still you prove my point: business owners prefer to import black people without caring about societal consequences because in their mind they work better and make more profitsalso>resistant to heat and tropical diseasesnot even true, tropical diseases kill shitton of africans every year
>>540228518Socialist countries like Vietnam, China, North Korea, Cuba do not have mass immigration.
>>540228503>If you allow corpos to do whatever they want the citizen, worker and buyer will be destroyed over time, it is not sustainable.I fully agree, I don't want the fate of my nation to be decided by a class of rootless cosmopolitans who have no blood ties and allegiance to my nation. But capitalism seems to always tend towards this state of affairs
>>540227462You could use domestic high skill labor, automation, or advanced technology to lower the costs of production or increase the value produced. You could also limit trade with trade barriers such as tariffs. Regulating employers is not equivalent to communism, which is public ownership of the means of production.
>>540228518Nobody has kids as a retirement plan. Never was. People had more kids before because there was no good birth control. Nowadays people have choice, and they don't want kids. Of medieval Europe had condoms and the pill, birth rates would also crash
>>540228696Capitalism drove the 19th century and the first half of the 20th. It arguably won the Cold War. The capitalism of now and the past 50 years is not the same capitalism which built the modern world. It's the same as people clamoring for communist policies and calling them socialist to hide this. Modern capitalism needs a different moniker, it hides in the corpse of the powerful engine it parasitized.
>>540228680They also have high birth rates and shitty retirement plans like 10$/month with low life expectancy which are also new to them compared to West which is imploding right now due to this stupidity.Give them some time to catch up, give them longer life expectancy and they will be in the same shit.
>>540228680Vietnam and China are not socialist. They both have economic power because they participate in capitalism.
>>540228782>Nobody has kids as a retirement plan. Never wasmaybe read some fucking books retard before you open your retarded nigger mouth.Kids were guaranteed help for work around house and help for you when you were old when people did not have state retirement plans.>People had more kids before because there was no good birth control.bullshit as anyone can see today. Somehow people from countries without retirement plans or shitty ones are breeding.
>>540228484>Most businesses, from small ones to big corpos, do have employees, and they will always want to hire people who will accept less.Really? Business owners I know want to hire people who can do the job right and not cause any problems.>In my country business owners working in tourism only hire indiansSo they are hiring the locals. What's the problem?
>>540228563>Many Africans do work.Really? There's a city about 80 miles from me that took in several tribes from the Congo and Somalia and I've never seen a single one of them working.>It is also about creating consumers.Why do you need more consumers? Most people live nigger rich and will spend every penny they have on frivolous bullshit. What benefit is stealing from a producer (who would piss away his check on consumer goods anyway) to give it to some 60IQ cannibal who will send half of his gibs check back home to his village Imam?
>>540228902China participates in trade, communism is not against trade. In China state controls the businesses and the uber driver job is still done by Chinese people.
>>540228610>literally slaves so they did not have to pay them at allThat's the same logic as claiming that keeping a horse is free because you don't have to pay them a salary.>business owners prefer to import black peopleI've never met a business owner who wants to deal with niggers. Are you sure that's true? Show your real flag.
>>540228953Kids take like 6 years until they can be minimally useful, and around 14-15 years until they can match the workload of a adult. 15 years feeding someone until they can payback in any way. And having a kid means your wife, who would be the second most important person taking care of chores, would be basically a invalid for , let's say, 5 months or so. And before modern medicine childbirth was a serious health risk, many women died. A child was never a good investment if you really only wanted a worker, it would be better to just pay some other adult farmer. >Somehow people from countries without retirement plans or shitty ones are breeding.Birthrates are crashing in many countries without functional welfare. Thailand is a prime example. The reason is simple, birth control is arriving in those countries
>>540228860When did America NOT have immigrants? Are you retarded? In the 19th century you got floods of European immigrants. Once the European got rich enough, you still needed poorfags to sustain capitalism because the WASP was not going to work certain jobs.
>>540228047Does a business get to tell a nation who crosses it's border? Or does a nation tell a business who may enter to work?
>>540227462No.Capitalism collapses the second you lose immigration
>>540229162>Why do you need more consumers?McDonald's gets to sell slop to more people who can pay more dollars. God numbers go up. More workers to compete for jobs.... The business owner wins in all ways
>>540227462Your premise is wrong and stupid. We don't need immigration with capitalism.
>>540229249>>540229249>I've never met a business owner who wants to deal with niggers.Clearly you have never been to Europe, especially the South where Black people from Africa pick fruit and tomatoes for almost nothing in slave-tier working conditions. Then the business owners tells journalists that native people don't want to do this job so he's forced to hire Africans. Also African Black people are not like American ones.
>>540227462Never was a thing in the golden era of industrialisation. Somehow with actual industry gone we need millions of wogsIts a fucking jew scam anon
>>540229294Trump himself said that he gave a moratorium on deportations of farm and hospitality illegal workers due to pressure from business owners in those sectors. So yes, business owners do get to decide
>>540229424Britain was flooded with Irish in the 19th century. Liverpool is basically half Irish to this day.
>>540229294>Does a business get to tell a nation who crosses it's border?Yes when the business bribes poltiicians OR politicians are on the business side for personal profits. In my country big CEOs and small business owners are openly pro immigration because they claim the natives demand too much in terms of money and free time.
>>540228338>consumer goods businesshow much do you pay your employees?
Usury and inflation force migration, not capitalism per se.
>>540229321>Capitalism collapses the second you lose immigrationSource: A screencap from 4chan.>McDonald's gets to sell slop to more peopleWhy does McDonald's need someone from the Congo? We've got an almost unlimited supply of fatasses that would just buy more McDoubles if they had a little bit more in their after tax take-home.>>540229567>how much do you pay your employees?Reading comprehension isn't your long suit, is it. Why would I hire some monkey who will rob, sue, murder, and possibly eat me when I can buy machines to do simple repetitive tasks?.What do you do for work?
>>540229198China is not communist. It is totalitarian but not communist, just like Russia is totalitarian but not communist.
>>540229289You uhh, realize the entire world practiced capitalism and not just the US...right?
>>540229835usury is part and parcel of capitalism
>>540230277Yes and? Which country did not use immigrants once the native poorfags ran out? Britain was flooded with Irish in the late 800s.
I always thought that by eliminating 1pbtid threads we’d see some better discourse but OP just proves the board is filled with retards. It’s a demographics issue. /pol/ leans toward younger Americans, and younger Americans are brown. Brown people are retarded, so here we are. >relies on immigration 1945 to 1985. Peak US economy, very little immigration>regulations are communistRetarded.
>>540227462No it doesnt, you brown street shitting moron.
>>540230423>1945 to 1985. Peak US economy, very little immigrationAre you retarded or what? The immigration to the US back then was just European instead of non white.
>>540227462No and that’s why the capitalists did it. Well first they sent all the jobs overseas for cheap labor. But that wasn’t even enough to satisfy their greed so they did mass immigration and kept wages on the floor. Many decided they were too good for slave labor and dropped out of society and got replaced. Now they’re demanding you have more children instead but nobody can afford them. It requires infinite growth. It’s a failed dying system. Capitalism did this. Oh and now they’re making it terrorism to say it
>>540230471Proof for your claims?
>>540230264Call China however you want, they simply have two things the West doesn't have>complete state control of the economy>billionaires on a leashThese two things prevent stuff like H1B visa.
>>540230562Dont forget the execution vans or the police state.
>>540228216can you explain how china is a world leading economy without immigration? why is china the only country that can educate its own citizens rather than relying on foreigners?
>>540227536Under commies you get as much of an ethnostate as any other third world shithole: It's a shithole so noone wants to live there.sage as its a 1pbtid shill thread
>>540228680then explain how china is the wealthiest country in the world without migration. why are they good at "capitalism" without relying on foreign labour?
>>540229198no, china had market reforms in 1978 and the businesses are mostly privately owned. you're almost 50 years out of date
>>540229289why can the saxon tribe not work low level jobs as they have all throughout history?
>>540229915>Reading comprehension isn't your long suit, is it. i briefly glanced over your post. i missed the part about having no employees. so you bought yourself a job? you have all of the risks of self employment with none of the benefits, like profiting from the work of others? how much do you make a year?>What do you do for work?corporate accounting, $160k/yr WFH.
>>540227462haha yeah its just the natural behavior of the free market
>>540230550>Between 1945 and 1985, approximately 13.5 to 14 million legal immigrants were admitted to the United States. This era marked a steady rise in arrivals, transitioning from post-World War II lows to the sharp acceleration that followed the passage of the landmark Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965>Early post-war immigration was predominantly European. Following the 1965 Act, which abolished national-origin quotas, the primary source of immigrants shifted dramatically toward Latin America and Asia.
>>540227680>government telling people how to run their business is the opposite of capitalismcivil rights / dei is communism
Capitalism, anarchocapitalism, communism, corporate socialism...Bunch of excuses for the money printers do what they want
>>540230277americans think that the united states is the only country with private enterprise globally. they dont know that every single country has their own companies. do americans know that we have capitalism and lululemon is one of our big companies? and reigning champ, kit+ace etc.i hate how americans think they are the only nation with companies.
>>540230778Not very many compared to the 8+ million Joe brought in a 4 year time span.
>>540227533All communist and socialists states have had extremely strict border policies tho...
>>540230778That's 350,000 a year, that's it.
>>540227462>Is it even possible to have capitalism without mass immigration?Yes. That's what we had for nearly two centuries.
>>540227462Capitalism doesn't require immigrants at all.
>>540227462Yea but u cant have it all. unfettered capitalism is just as retarded as communism. if u captiliast so hard that u give up ur demogrpahics or force women to not have children so they can work for ur companies, then its obviously bad
>>540229266>Birthrates are crashing in many countries without functional welfare. Thailand is a prime example.Thailand has welfare system. Also Thailand is mecca for sex tourism and mail brides. It is prime example of how full of shit you commies, who live only to get to this retirement age like parasite, are by giving example of completely unrelated country to make your point.Also Thailand has state retirement plans.
>>540230862To keep the goyim from fleeing, which they will, because communist societies are shitholes. Communists throughout the west actively campaign for open borders and have even attacked police officers enforcing deportations. Communists do this because working class Whites hate them, being too clever to fall for communist lies, and so they've endeavored to eliminate Whites entirely by population replacement.
>>540230862yeah, and american firms are being out competed by china - a country that has zero immigration. they are losing AND their government is butthurt about it and they STILL think that immigration is the way to win in economic competition. if immigration is so great - why does china dominate global mining, automotive, textiles, electronics manufacturing, pharma manufacturing, clothing manufacturing, solar panal manufacturing etc. if immigration helps you win why cant americans use immigrations to be competitive in those sectors?
>>540230685Deng ended pure Communism because it wasn't working and allowed Capitalism to flourish in light industries. Which is why you have Chinese Billionaires now. Think about that carefully, Communist Chinese Billionaires.
>>540230669>no jews>no jew worship>pride of their own ancestry culture and history
>>540230669>can you explain how china is a world leading economy without immigration?China has immigration, just not as a policy to dump wages and working conditions like the West or Japan. Low paying jobs in China are done by poorer Chinese people from other provinces, not Indians.China has English teachers and enterpreneurs. Cities like Guangzhou have Africans setting up business for trading goods, not to work for less. Foreign people can immigrate to China and work there, but you won't be able to do so in a way the Chinese CEO can pay you less.
>>540230933capitalism requires an educated workforce and government setting rules that dont hinder company creation. americans were stupid enough to legally create wage laws to make it structurally impossible to compete with other countries in many sectors. and immigration cant change that.
The solution is to mandate a maximum wage which is a ratio to any given company’s lowest paid workers
>>540231025Oh boy, all the gutter oil and bat soup you can handle.
>>540230972i'm pretty sure china isn't a shitholehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sap2RgASok
>>540229266Birthrates are crashing because of globalism and overpopulation. When a third world shithole can simply dump its surplus population on you at will, and your country allows it because of scraps of paper they signed to make imaginary numbers in a computer go up, this is the result. Every single brownoid imported DIRECTLY competes with you for food, housing, employment, education, healthcare. Apply enough pressure and people stop having babies because they can't.The "affordability crisis" is 100000000% caused by mass-immigration.Deport the browns, and housing prices come down, inflation tapers off because there's no government borrowing money to spend on the browns, food prices go down because there's now a surplus in food, healthcare costs go down because browns aren't using the ER and running away or using healthcare systems while paying zero credit into it, etc. Every single major problem you have in your daily life is caused by mass-immigration.
>>540227462Capitalism = infinity jeets & big bailouts Rich get richer, poor get poorer
>>540231025>Low paying jobs in China are done by poorer Chinese people from other provincesAs it could have been don in the West, but some socialist fucks decided to ramp up minimal wages and taxes so it is easier and cheaper for company to get foreign worker than local one.Half of western countries also have unemploynment of young people at about 10%. These people would work if it wasn't for socialism.
>>540231082Leds mean it nice, right?
>>540231082I'm pretty sure China isn't communist. Since when is private ownership and a middle class allowed in communism?
>>540230701The CCP has a stake and presence in every business once the business reaches a certain size. Also almost every essential/critical service from food to energy to infrastructure is state owned. They have industry tiers. They don't give a shit about nationalising gaming companies, they simply get a major stake and representation on their boards. The company is still privately owned.
>>540227462It would be impossible in the modern US, regardless of circumstances in the past. A lot of people seem to have a difficult time accepting such an obvious fact. The terminal tipping point was during the 1960's, both due to legal immigration reforms and the general rise of finance capitalism, equities markets, speculation via derivative-style instruments, etc.Once finance capital became ascendant, there was a trend toward relentless globalization, consolidation mergers, buyouts, etc. And mass-immigration was a core component of that wider trend.To stop this, you'd have to somehow disempower finance capital specifically. Antitrust enforcement would need to go hard for years. But the US government worships finance capital, so, that's not going to happen.
>>540231025you're delusional if you think china immigration. almost none of those foreigners are naturalized. i watched a video of a speech of a chinese poli sci expert in a conference in china and he said he was on a plane and an american businessman showed his american passport and the poli sci expert was surprised and suggested that it was obtained through corruption. meaning immigration is so low that its notable to chinese experts themselves when it happens. and africans and american businessmen are irrelevant to the chinese economy.
>>540231086>Deport the browns, and housing prices come down,Cull the old useless eaters and you will have housings in centres of the cities aviable for working people who actually work there and make economy go round instead of old farts and tourists.
>>540231125whats funny is chinese went to america to study architecture and engineering and implemented what they learned in china and americans pretend that what chinese have created is junk. lmao. they learned all this in america.
>>540227462Yes>capitalism relies on [thing it doesn’t rely on]Get off the internet for a while
>>540231127deng xiaoping did market reforms in 1978. how is it you dumb dumbs still havent figured that out in 2026? this is why people think americans are uneducated illiterates.
>>540231113Ramping up minimal wage without restriction on hiring practices and immigration is not socialist but liberal capitalism. Socialist countries have no immigrants.
>>540231165why do polish kill their elderly rather than live in multi generational homes? isnt that a bit of a stupid culture?
>>540230737>so you bought yourself a job?I own the means of production if that's what you mean.>the benefits, like profiting from the work of others?I'm content to profit off my own work and my capital investments. Can you describe how hiring people is going to improve my situation?>how much do you make a year?As little as possible. That's the whole point of having an LLC. I don't own vehicles and heavy equipment, the LLC does, I don't have investments, the LLC does, utilities, property tax, insurance... business expense.>corporate accounting, $160k/yr WFH.This is one of my favorite long-running LARPs on /pol/. >>540230862>All communist and socialists states have had extremely strict border policies tho...They needed those walls, barbed wire, and armed soldiers to keep everybody from storming in and taking advantage of the worker's paradise.
>>540227462Capitalism will do just fine. Rich people will pay more for their luxury and society will become less stratified. Well, it would have become less stratified if ethnicity had been preserved. Oops!
>>540231129>once the business reaches a certain sizeThat's the thing.In the West you have presence of your government in your business since day one. Taxes, documents, allowances and other crap.You had news here that NYC mudslime allowed people to sell ice-cream without NYC papers! A success! Why the would need papers before? Chinese do not need any papers from government to sell ice cream. He needs clients.
>>540231227minimal wage is pure socialism and centrally steered market you dumbfuck.
>>540231192They didnt learn tofu dregs construction methods here bugman.
>>540231227why are americans so fascinated by these terms like socialism and capitalism? china always said that the greatest weakness of the west is that people are fascinated by political terms and will rigidly align with one of those political paradigms without practical considerations for what actually makes the country function. you see the same thing with americans and europeans (particularly slovaks and slovenians) talking about how their siders of the wing war are superior to othersiders -- but not asking how any political objective actually affects how a country functions. this is what they mean when they say china is practical and the west is idiological.
>>540231165>useless eatersSo every brown. Studies have repeatedly come out showing that those muslims you imported in 2015 do not work. Upwards of 85% of them don't work. They collect welfare and free money and shit out kids at your expense.
>>540231160I have been to China multiple times in major cities. All the jobs that in my country are done by immigrants, in China are worked by Chinese poorfags from poorer provinces. The single Indian I met in Shanghai was a tourist whose father did business in China.China doesn't do policies like "we need 500k foreigners to fill out jobs Chinese people won't do".
>>540231025>Foreign people can immigrate to China and work there, but you won't be able to do so in a way the Chinese CEO can pay you less.So what's stopping you from moving to China where a Chinese CEO will pay you a fair salary for your talents? Show your flag.
>>540227462maybe there should be better incentives to start familiesyour wife divorcing you and taking your house/kids the moment she gets the ick because your shoe was untied is a DISincentive
>>540231293yeah, but the government crushes your business in china if you fuck up. they may accept that you bribe health inspectors but as soon as food poisonings start happening and people name your shop you get your door kicked in and your shop is closed down. you're free in some ways from oversight and meddling but if the gov decides you are negligent they wreck you.
>>540228070Reagan legalized people who had already snuck in. Big mistake, but it's not the same as inviting them all in to begin with. Part of the left's plan is to cause a fait accompli with immigration. Let millions in in secret and then say 'well they're here, they have to be legalized' via DACA or amnesty programs, then you've got a problem. It has nothing to do with capitalism per se. Liberal western democracies see how the new migrants vote and they want their votes so they flood them in.Also, the words migrant, immigration, refugee, asylum seeker, etc. all used to mean completely different things. Leftist discourse has been successful in making people think that they're the same exact thing, such that a tourist who just gets off the airplane in your country is not an 'immigrant.' This is just one of the many prongs of attack that the left has used on this issue. It's also a classic left tard trick to intentionally cause a problem and then claim that the solution to the problem is more left tard policies. For those retards, the solution is always more taxes, more government, more socialism, more leftism, more trannies, more faggots, more muslims, more jews, etc.
>>540231220China had a hard communist government and it was a backwards hellhole that killed millions. When they dropped hard communism and adopted state capitalism, nay dare I say ethnonationalism, suddenly their economy thrived. That's because rounding up peasants and sticking them in a boot factory with a gun to their head isn't as economically viable as building a boot factory and hiring them to work in it while allowing the factory owners to keep a share of the profit.China figured this out. Why can't you? The maoism you desire will only ever exist in your head.
>>540229522Poor choice of words on my part - I should have asked whether a business "should" get to tell a nation who enters. It's exactly the same in all western nations - but businesses aren't elected and should not have that power.I say implement the death sentence for politicians who take bribes, and outlaw lobbying.
>>540231356then why are you arguing that countries need immigration to stay competitive when china proves the opposite?and why are you hiding your american flag?
>>540231351Poland did not import muslims. And I agree. I am anti socialism. No useless eater should be given money.
>>540231293>Taxes, documents, allowances and other crap.None of this has anything to do with immigration. Uber drivers in Warsaw are all Indians and Bangladeshi because the capitalist government allows them to do so because the alternative would be forcing businesses to hire White Poles at higher wages, and the delivery would cost more.>>540231313Minimum wage is welfare capitalism. Socialist countries don't even have a minimum wage.
>>540231127China follows marxist leninism, which does allow for a middle class, eventually. It's all based on the material conditions, of times are shit, there would be shitty material conditions and no middle class, of times are good material conditions are good and a middle class would form. That's the whole point of "communism" is to make everyone bourgeoisie.
>>540231401> but as soon as food poisonings start happening and people name your shop you get your door kicked inMaybe do not poison people? It does not help your business.Also the West would not eve nallow you to start selling shit if you poison people.Why the fuck you would think anyone would start business to poison his clients? Are you fucking jew or retard?
>>540231439Because Western countries are not China and the state does not have full control of the economy or the billionaires. Forcing Elon Musk to fire all his H1B visas to hire Americans is not possible. In China, it wouldn't be allowed to begin with.
>>540231421i think you are responding to someone else's comment because your response has nothing to do with my comment. i think the current chinese government is the best in the world. the anglosphere and europe and latin america are WAY too fascinated by political terms like capitalism and socialism and need to learn to make choices by thinking about what is PRACTICALchina is smart simply because they implement a practical agenda to cultivate entrepreneurship. almost every other nation in the world makes horrible choices. europe tolerates drugs, crime, gangs, and then implements minimum wage laws to make it illegal to do low skill manufacturing and thus rely on handing over IP to foreigners to manufacture AND then they bring in foreigners put them on welfare and let them do crime and they say that's how you run a competitive economy. i dont even think china is genius i think every other region is just retarded.if america and europe focused on lowering drugs and crime and less on immigration they'd be way more competitive.
>>540231452>because the capitalist government allows themIf government allows something it is not capitalism, but centrally steered market you dumbfuck.Also Uber drivers in Warsaw are mostly Ukrainians are not indians nor bangladeshi you fucking liar and cretin.
>>540231452>Uber driversSo you're an Uber driver? Show your flag.
>>540231575>i think the current chinese government is the best in the world.Flag checks out.
>>540231516bro, i can tell you for a fact i have had food poisoning before. i had fish and chips at stanley park a few years ago and was sick for 2 days.
>>540231452>Minimum wage is welfare capitalism.Yeah call every social policy someone points at and says it fucks up society "capitalism". It surely shows you are intelligent. Fucking commie human garbage.
>>540231516Several businesses, to keep the profits going, will eventually do some shady shit that hurts the consumers, and most of the business owners, in the West, are neither controlled nor prosecuted properly. Nobody after the 2008 financial crisis went to jail. In China, they would have been unironically executed.
>capitalism was invented at the 1965 immigration actIt worked just fine before. Your issue is with the permanent growth keynesian capitalist model, which took root in 2001 but fully took off in 2008. Remember when recessions/depressions were considered the natural ebbs and flows of the market? Remember when you weren't gaslit and told everything getting 4% more expensive yearly is "cooling inflation"? Yeah, me neither, because most of us were born after the great rugpull and I had to learn all this shit myself through reading 80s and 90s trading texts. We've been at low/zero rates since Obongo and it's just been a slower form of the 1930s Weimar marks/gold chart of green number go up forever since (Trump and team red also just want to keep rates low forever because no president wants to hold the bags when this shit pops off). Turd world immigration is the super copium gas they cranked the dial to 13 with to keep the debt based economy inflating permanently and they're just sitting on the lid as long as they can.
>>540231504>China follows marxist leninism, which does allow for a middle class, eventually.And that's why it never existed in the history of the world?>That's the whole point of "communism" is to make everyone bourgeoisie.The whole point of communism is to aggregate the wealth of an entire nation into the hands of a few, which is why it always does this. The reason why China aborted hard communism is because it doesn't work. Straight up. They kept the one party rule and the trappings, but it is a state capitalist country with an ethnonationalist governing regime. Globalism is the capitalist version of communism, in that it strips the rights of native peoples and reduces everyone to worker class, making you compete for everything with the surplus hordes of the third world. Commie kiddies don't understand that their lives are shit because of globalism, not capitalism. If you want a high paying job and a house and a family, you have to keep out the browns. That's the whole point of nationhood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZy1lBNykA
>>540231611if americans could get rid of the drugs and gangs and crime i would respect you but you can't. are you aware rappers make songs about selling drugs that kill americans and american police are too inept to arrest them? in china anyone that admits crime openly is thrown in an execution van same day. americans literally make songs about doing homicides and home invasions but the state is too weak to do anything. i admit america in its prime was a world leader but today i dont see anything america doing as correct. no border control, no crime control, drugs and scams everywhere, elite embezzling, companies losing competitiveness, pointless global trade war, cant figure out how to create mining supply chains for rare earths and other minerals, falling behind in math and science, huge homelessness etc.
>>540231580>If government allows something it is not capitalismLolOnce capitalism allows business owners to have enough power, they simply control the government >Also Uber drivers in Warsaw are mostly Ukrainians are not indians nor bangladeshi you fucking liar and cretin.So they are immigrants? Thanks for proving my point lmao
>>540231757anyway, so sum up why china can be a world leading economy without immigration? and tell me why america can't compete in automotive, solar panels, mining and other sectors despite huge immigration?
>>540231575>i think the current chinese government is the best in the world.Perhaps because they're borderline National Socialist. All of the problems you listed are a direct consequence of globalism, mass-immigration, neoliberal policies, and democracy as a whole.If some nation in Europe were to go National Socialist today and exile all non-natives, within ten years it'd have the best economy in Europe and within twenty it'd be a global competitor.
>>540231626The current economy of every Western country is based off a capitalist free market. Shit like free healthcare and minimum wage does not mean the economy stops being capitalist. Certain countries like Spain or France may enact policies in favour of the worker like the minimum wage, but the economic system is still very much capitalism.
>>540231275>I own the means of production if that's what you mean.you bought yourself a job.>As little as possible. That's the whole point of having an LLC. I don't own vehicles and heavy equipment, the LLC does, I don't have investments, the LLC does, utilities, property tax, insurance... business expense.i'm a licensed CPA. your refusal to put any numbers to this tells me everything i need to know.>This is one of my favorite long-running LARPs on /pol/. if i were lying, i would make it sound a lot cooler than "accountant" and it would pay a lot more than $160k/yr.
>>540231827why do you have to use loaded terms like national socialist rather than saying a legitimate government has a priority to:1. look after natives over foreigners2. grow economy3. crush crime and gangs4. ensure stability5. annihilate drug sellers6. invest tax money into world leading infrastructure7. secure border so foreign elements dont come into your country. in china the mandate of heaven basically says that a governemnt is legitimate if it does all of the above and illegitimate and in need of assassination if they fail. why do westerners not have a clear idea of exactly what an illegitimate government is?
>>540231819the Western world has offshored everything for short-term profits, first to China then to SEA, and turned towards a slop economy of financial services where workers are less susceptible to unionism and more money driven. Offshoring also means moving intellectual capital away from the country, but anything related to manufacturing was simply deemed unprofitable at some point because factory workers will never work for crap for soo long, while investment bankers and consultants are happy to be cattle.Offshoring was arguably a better self own than immigration.
>>540231713Communism isn't something that just happens, it's something that is worked towards. That's what China has been doing, working towards communism, as I said it's a marxist leninist state, that allows for capitalism to happen because it's the current "mode of production" that will allow for the right material conditions to form a socialost mode of production, and communism being the state at which classes don't really exist anymore. Also China just does stuff, they know money is fake and gay and instead of throwing money at soldiers like capitalist countries do they throw money at workers to just be busy.
>>540231853how is minimum wage law good for workers when it makes a country unable to compete with low income countries in certain sectors - meaning wage laws facilitate outsourcing so workers in your own country become unemployed. if americans didnt have wage laws they would have kept manufacturing locally, kept locals employed, and had less problems with IP theft than they had dealing with china, and manufacturing goods would be way faster than today using global supply chains. why are americans too stupid to figure this out?
>>540232015knowing that americans are retards, do you think anyone is going to listen to your advice on how to run a country?
>>540227533In all my years of communist protresting we demanded jailing of human rights violators, end of pollution and many other issues but I never remember asking for open bordersI do remember capitalism making free trade and travel agreements
>>540232020China did not work towards communism.China is naturally and historically collective state due to sheer number of people and agrarian society with confucianism on top of it which promotest that every single cog in society should know its place.You know nothing about china but love to talk how shit works there.
>>540227462No. Capitalism requires an ever growing mass of labour to exploit. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution they used "migrants" from the countryside and brought them into the towns to work. Then they needed more so they created Feminism to bring women into the work place. Then when that wasn't enough they began the modern method of mass immigration.
>>540232015But the USA is the second largest manufacturing economy in the world generating 3 trillion and employing 12.6 million people.Show your flag.
>>540232020china is way less interested in any of these buzzwords like socialism and capitalism than you are. all they care about is how to have a clean, safe, drug free country, and how to get entrepreneurs to start businesses. they dont care about hair splitting about socialism or capitalism. westerners truly cannot grasp this. chinese government thinks: we want chinese people to get rich through business so china can be a wealthy country and we want to create a country where doing business and being successful is easy. they dont give a fuck about terms like socialism and capitalism and all this other bs that fascinates westerners.
>>540232162Because you are retard who doesnt even know what he is protesting for and names himself something he does not know shit about. Communism in its core is international and promotes no brders and no countries.And giving migrants social welfare and treating them like citizens is part of socialist and communist ideologies.
>>540232051Because minimum wage alone is not enough, you need to force your shitty CEOs to not relocate. Strong leaders have often employed force to prevent this, now it's not possible because CEOs control the economy.The second option would be: CEOs would need to make less profits to pay workers more and allow for a prosperous society. I am not a Christ cuck but there is a reason the Bible talks about "social responsibility" of the business owners. Is buying a 100 million yacht worth not paying your workers more so they can raise a family and live happily without offshoring to India or asking India to come to the US?China tries to instill patriotism and social responsibility into their CEOs for a reason, yet they still struggle because money is the root of all evil.
>>540232204>Capitalism requires an ever growing mass of labour to exploit.Source: Some entitled fairy who has never held a job.
>>540232292can you show your damn flag so we know exactly what country you are talking about. you sound like a canadian but i'm unclear.
>>540232251The communist party of china is not interested in this or thatBetter remember that>>540232270Cuba which no one will debate that they ain't communists asked to be a closed borders independent nation they even discourage migration to the USI don't know about your fantasy communism but our real latin american communism listens to Cuba
>>540232204>Since the beginning of the industrial revolution they used "migrants" from the countryside and brought them into the towns to work.Yeah those poor migrants were folks who were refused to leave villages and were starving and had completely nothing to do. Oh how horrible it was that they were given opportunity to earn capital!This is the same shit as showing people some poor 10yo in Bangladesh in sweatshop earning 2$ a month and crying how horrible capitalism is!Completely ignoring the fact that without this sweatshop she wouldn't even have this 2$ and roof over her head and would probably be sold into slavery or brothel.
>>540232292>CEOs would need to make less profits to pay workers moreWhat do you do for work and how much are you paid? How much profit is your CEO making? Why won't you show your flag?
>>540232325If you had a business, would you rather hire a White American and pay them enough to>buy a house with minimal if no mortgage (usury is a sin)>marry and raise 3 children and send them to college>go on holiday etcOR>an immigrant what works for half the wage and no PTO
>>540232378>real latin american communismKek. Uneducated retatrd calls himself a commie. Many such cases. If you were educated you would know that communism is bullshit.Read at least Communist Manifesto by Marx and KYS faggot.
>>540232378yeah, but latin americans are across the board obsessed with immigration and if you go against it they'd literally smash your jaw with a hammer.
>>540227462Mass production is the problem not capitalism.Peak comfy was pre industrial england.The Luddites were right.
>>540232443If I were a Jew I would hire migrant, because I can live in Israel anytime and do not care about goyim.If I were normal White American I would hire locals to my local facotry, so my kids going to local school would not be surrounded by migrant rapists thieves and local empowerished degenerates.
>>540232251Right, that's why memorizing the little red book is so unimportant in China? You're delusional, westerners cannot grasp the idea that a socialist state has surpassed them in almost all aspects of life. >>540232172Communism doesn't exist there yet, they're still working towards it. Did you even read my post?
>>540232468why is mass production bad? why shouldn't i have access to affordable things that look nice? my new balance sneakers, iphone, macbook, lululemon pants etc are all mass produced. why shoudlnt i have access to them?
>>540232582>Communism doesn't exist there yet, they're still working towards it.It was not real communism! Real communism will be achieved when I say so!just KYS tankie.
>>540228518Bullshit. They're bringing in people who don't work and just live off the state.It's about keeping lending schemes going.Central banking is the problem not capitalism.
>>540232421Why don't you actually reply to my statement instead of screeching. CEOs should simply make less, hire native workere and pay them more so they can have children, but they can't because they need another yacht, another shitty car and another mansion.>>540232541Now ask Polish business owners who would they rather hire, because in my country (not US) they would simply hire an Indian
>>540232445Imagine the worker unions, who fought hard and to the death in this countries to have worker rightsSaying"We want open borders so the capital can replace us with illegal workers with no rights"
>>540232582you don't get what i am saying. china likes the term socialism because they can use that as a hook to the global south that they are a fellow underdog. in reality china doesnt care about these terms the way westerners like yourself do. all they care about is their country being clean, safe, rich, and business oriented. the fact that you think i care about socialism capitalism infighting misses the fact that i actually respect china in the same way that they respect themselves -- as a wealthy, competent country that thinks PRACTICALLY instead of dogmatically obsessing over political labels.i think westerners will never be able to figure this out because they are way to fascinated by poltiical terminology
>>540227462no, all secular frames lead to humans as capital
>>540232722you're ignoring the fact that in canada and america where mass migration is happening we have workers rights
>>540232632>They're bringing in people who don't work and just live off the state.They wouldn't live off the state if there were no social policies that allows to live off the state.>>540232722I literally lived in commie Poland under USSR rule. Keep your retarded shit to yourself and KYS.
>>540232443>If you had a business, would you ratherI do own a business and don't hire anybody. >>540232443>>buy a house with minimal if no mortgage (usury is a sin)>>marry and raise 3 children and send them to college>>go on holiday etcWhat do you do for work now and what sort of salary do you feel you would need to have all those things? Why won't you show your flag?
>>540228782Europe's population crashed twice from plagues which freed up lots of wealth and raised living standards for everyone.The ruling class doesn't want that because some other bloodline might rise and threaten their status.So mass immigration was done to drain public wealth and turn everyone into debt slaves. Middle class people have to work twice as hard to avoid living near third worlders when previously they just had to escape nigs.
>>540231686Before 1965 there were slaves, then Irish, Italian, German, and Chinese immigrants It’s always been about the lowest cost labor with no regard for downstream consequences
>>540232766>>540232793I bet you have worker rights in poland just becasue you had communism and countries with no communism like Canada and the US have nothing of the sort, no minimal wage no legal vacations
>>540232877then why have minimum wage laws since you legally cant even make use of cheap labour? think about that: if you have no wage laws you could have manufacturing in america using low wages and then production of goods would be way faster AND you wouldnt be giving IP to foreign firms.
>>540229424This.Industrialization was the problem.
>>540232710I see, so you're unemployed, unemployable, too much of a pussy to talk to a woman IRL, but once you seize the means of production the state will give you an upper-middle-class lifestyle.
>>540232710They would hire a local. As they do. The only ones not hiring locals are mega corps from outside of Poland.But the state social policies are made for these mega corps not locals. While local factory has to pay enormous taxes, the mega corp get tax free pass and get their factories build by taxpayer's money - then they hire indians. It wouldn't happen if socialist would not rob people from their money and give it to mega corps and allow locals to run local businesses on preferable taxation like they do for mega corps.
>>540232951canada has workers rights. what are you talking about? do you know that latin americans are in LOVE with canada?
>>540230778LEGAL immigrants.Wetbacks were always a thing.
>>540227462It didn't work without slavery so it's not far fetched to conclude it doesn't work without H1B immigration(de facto slavery). Now they have efficient transport system so they're even importing them from colony as well. That's what it is but Communism does not fix this at all but make it sort of worse and that contributed a lot to why USSR fell apart. Stalin did a lot of mass transportation of populace countless times and created many Frankenstein statehood. Marx himself did complain about massive immigration from Ireland at that time but modern Communists are retarded they only complain about landlords and kulak - not the actual rent seeking class but other proles who worked their entire life and bought a house or two and charging like everybody else does or quite cheaper if the tenants are ok hassle free people>>540227906Prussian Capitalism was not really capitalism but almost feudalistic bureaucrat state industrialism. Only to get buck broken by foreign military pressures and mutiny at sea from people who couldn't take it anymore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiel_mutiny >>540230289Communist states were not free from usury. But indeed the USSR acted like a legalized Usury lend sharks which natually creates second hand dark economy(not even North Korea is free from this) unless they cut all trades with Capitalist countries which they can't. With this, communism in theory is against this but Communism in real like always had problem with scam economy and organized crime gang violence and capitalist loan sharks and Soviet corrupt worked hand in hand like match made in heaven and that's how Epstein class was born. If you want more discussion link in bio . It's well past the point talking about which system is superior cause it's basically become ancestor worship clout chasing instead of doing actual analysis muh my great grand dad killed by Communists how dare you muh my great great grand dad killed by Nazis how dare you etc etc
>>540232952This is how violent workers’ unions arosePick your poison A maximum wage would be more effective
>>540232421why won't you say how much you make a year? >>540231908
>>540232960Not only I have a job, but I have personally taken part in operations that allowed companies to "restructure" by firing White people and offshoring entire departments to India because Indians simply work for less money than White British people.
>>540232985Yeah I remember years ago when they encouraged people to go live in canada, the climate was harsh but they required settlers just like south chile in the 50's when we took war refugees from europeI repeat they encouraged people to go live in the artic circle so promise of nationality and government care
>>540233018>LEGAL immigrants.Legal immigrants do unironically more damage to the economy than illegal ones. All the uber drivers in my country are legal immigrants who are allowed to enter and stay because the government (capitalist) allows that..
>>540232627I never said any of this you disingenuous asshat. If you want a serious conversation then don't act like a retard. >>540232728They most definitely do follow terms and political science. Just because their leadership is filled with engineers and such doesn't mean they aren't ideologically driven in any way. They most definitely know that if they fall into the capitalist trap they will enter a world where it will lead to war and conflict. These isms and such are just a way to quickly describe how China operates. Leninism is what they follow most, a strict top down hierarchy for its political structure and it has deep ideological roots in both Confucius and Marx.
>>540233184lmao canada was settled 400 years ago. shouldnt settlers go to argentina instead?
>>540233438Don't lie I watch those gold hunting shows, you live in the border with the US while french canadians live up north
>>540233327i'm saying: the chinese government does not actually care about terms like socialism and capitalism and doesnt "try to avoid falling into the capitalist trap". alll they want is a rich safe country where oligarchs dont get too out of control.their whole paradigm is about skills, infrastructure, safety, stability, wealth, business. they dont give an F about western political science terms. i dont know why westerners want them to be fascinated by terms like capitalism but they are not. china prides itself on being practical. they consider the western fascination with political terminology as impractical.
>>540233518french canadians live in manitoba and ontario and quebec. up north is mostly aboriginals that travel around on snowmobiles smoking meth
>>540233535the main criticism of chinese philosophy is that they criticize individualism but with an incorrect understanding of what individualism is. collectivism is clan and ethnic identitarianismindividualism is when clan and ethnic identity are less important so strangers are treated as closer to family than in collectivist cultures. for some reason even elite chinese commentators can't grasp this.
>>540233565You do raise a point they hate political terminology, they hate looking at their politburo knowing is a politburo, designated by the party members to execute bureocratic tasks
>>540227462Communism is jewish and never solves the problem. First destroy every jew utterly and to the last then we can discuss systems of government. If there is a single jew alive all systems of government fail due to the jews infecting it.
>>540233672chinese are actually very happy with their government and think it is exceptionally competent.
>>540228860Mercantile capitalism has been the driving economic force since jews created the Dutch East India Company and the Amsterdam Stock Exchange in 1602, then the Bank of Amsterdam in 1609.It has always been a scheme to create inflated finances through stock ownership and speculation, granting the primary shareholders money from nothing, which they pooled to create more banks, then buy or bribe their way into government.The end result was Rothschild, their complete domination of the western world, and much of the east.
>>540233656>>540233535You're contradicting yourself here... Xi stands up on his podium and blabs on and on about history and their superior political structures lol...I know what you're saying, but you cannot have such a robust country like China and not have any sort of political or social ideology to follow for moral structure. Again, the little red book.
>>540227462Capitalism has not existed in generations. The modern world operates under financialism. The Jewish debt based currencies we are forced to use demand infinite growth, which required mass immigration.
>>540229424>Its a fucking jew scam anonHitler was right about the international jew.I am curious if Hitler knew about the synagogue of satan and knew that in addition to the edomites, canaanites, khazars and ashkenazi jews there are also those who say they are jews but are not, pretty much any human or human-like being that works for the forces of evil is a "jew"Jesus was for all intents the last jew, and those genetic jews left in Syria-Palestina were wiped out by Hadrian.The "jews" whatever they are must be destroyed utterly and to the last.Anyways, Henry Ford hated jews but had a factory full of white men who were tasked to build cars they themselves could afford.What is possible without the jew is limitless.
>>540227896Absolute retard
>>540228130>Communist parties have always opposed influx of foreign workers.Except they don't any more, faggot. At least not in the US which is the only country I care about. Commies here want the country flooded with shitskins in order to accelerate towards le revolucion.
>>540237691There is no communist party in the US. All communist parties in the West have been disbanded post 1991.
