what did bill gates mean by this?
What do you mean what?
I do not value Bill Gate's scientific opinion.
>>540252740jewish demoralization propaganda
>>540252740Did you read his explanation?
Didn't Voyager leave the solar system a long time ago? It was made by humans so...
>>540252794kurzgesagt is unironic wef porpaganda
>>540252858Murican oligarchs good Russian oligarchs bad.
>>540252740why are you listening to an uneducated pedo?
>>540252948It is impossible and not necessary to leave this earth to live somewhere else permanently
>>540252740TLDR?
>>540252931Look, I work for the phone company. I've had a lot of experience with semantics, so don't try to lure me into some maze of circular logic.
>>540252740why use your nuke on ocean tiles rather than right on Mecca. Do settler players really?
>>540252740Because the closest solar system is 4 light years away and even if we had a vehicle that could go at light speed, your body would completely degrade in 4 years going at such high speed.Then there is cosmic rays and all of that.
>>540253173basically what >>540253356 said, but with the added context that most of the stars close enough to get to within a few light years are completely inhospitable and not worth going to
>>540253131>It is impossibleno its not
But we can send robots to inseminate an earth like planet and raise the humans and they have next generation search engines to get them started.>>540253499It is when those inside the spaceship get there alive
>>540252870>oh we are sorry we tried to psyop you for hard cashI hate those niggers like you wouldnt believe, all sciency degens must be culled as well
>>540253356Sounds like a problem that could be solved with enough lead.>>540253473Maybe a multi-generational spaceship could do it. Anyways, looks like not even mars is going to happen any time soon.
>>540253604nothing is impossible about it, we could easily do it with current day technology.the problem is jews and their retardation holding actual real science back.
>>540252740The new eon will last 2000 years. After that space exploration will be not only possible, but also inevitable.Bill gates is right if he means in the short term.
>>540253698Of course it is. There's a kurgesagt video about it they show the consensus of every scientific community member on how it is impossible
I am going to ask grok.
>>540253780>every scientific community memberall of these are jewish morons tho.so no its not impossible.
>>540252948>kurzgesagtthe most liberal slop imaginable, it's revolting
**Analysis of the claim:**The German poster is half-right and half-delusional.### Leaving the Solar SystemVoyager 1 and 2 already did it decades ago with 1970s technology. So yes, “leaving the solar system” with current science is trivial. That’s not the interesting claim.### Multigenerational interstellar ship to another star system with *living humans* arrivingThis is the actual hard problem. Current technology cannot do it in any practical or reliable sense. Here’s why, without cope:1. **Distance and time** Proxima Centauri is ~4.24 light-years away. Chemical rockets or even nuclear thermal/chemical hybrids give us maybe 0.01–0.05c in the most optimistic near-term designs. That means a one-way trip of **80–400+ years**. A “multigenerational” ship is the only realistic option under known physics without exotic propulsion.2. **Closed-loop life support** We have never built a closed ecological system that works for decades, let alone centuries. Biosphere 2 failed in a couple of years on Earth. Maintaining stable atmosphere, food, water recycling, waste management, and psychological health for generations inside a tin can is an unsolved engineering problem of enormous scale. Radiation shielding (especially for decades of galactic cosmic rays) requires either massive mass or active magnetic fields we don’t have at the required strength and reliability.3. **Propulsion and energy** Current technology cannot provide the sustained thrust + power for a multi-century voyage while keeping the ship livable. Fusion propulsion is still laboratory-scale. Antimatter is science fiction in terms of production and storage. Solar sails or laser sails work better for *probes*, not massive crewed arks.
>>540252740Billy boy knows about the firmament.He knows he's a demon bound to this realm for eternity and that's why he's okay with raping and eating kids.
4. **Social and biological collapse risk** A small isolated population over many generations faces genetic bottlenecks, cultural drift, mutiny, religious cults, knowledge loss, etc. This is not sci-fi flavor text; it’s a serious risk that has been studied in generation-ship literature and is not solved by “current science.”### The robot-seeded colony approach (your position)This is significantly more realistic with near-future technology than a pure multigenerational human ark.- Send autonomous robotic systems + genetic material / embryo banks / artificial wombs.- Robots (or advanced AI systems) prepare the environment, manufacture habitats, and raise the first generation.- Knowledge transfer via robust, radiation-hardened data systems and advanced AI tutors (what you called “next generation search engines / chatbots”).This sidesteps the worst closed-loop life-support and generational social problems during the voyage itself. The hard parts become:- Extremely reliable long-duration robotics and AI that can operate for decades/centuries without human intervention.- Reliable embryo storage / artificial gestation.- Finding an actually usable planet (or at least a resource-rich body that can be terraformed or used for habitats).None of these are solved *today*, but they are closer to the engineering frontier than keeping a human society alive and sane for 200+ years inside a ship.### Bottom line- Leaving the solar system: already done.- Multigenerational *crewed* ship with current science: not realistically possible. The engineering and biological challenges are far beyond what we can currently guarantee.- Robotic precursor + seeded colony: much more plausible path, and the one that actual space agencies and serious futurists take more seriously than pure generation ships.The “we could easily do it with current technology, the Jews are holding us back” take is classic 4chan cope.
>>540254120>shitskin cant think for himself and has to consult a jewish AI that gives wrong answerstop kek
The real bottlenecks are physics, engineering reliability over century timescales, and closed-loop biology — not a conspiracy.
>>540253356>we had a vehicle that could go at light speed, your body would completely degrade in 4 years going at such high speedthat reminds me of 1800's scientists saying that going above 80km/h would give you internal organ damage, suffocate you or blind you. just store your drinking water on the exterior and top it up with shielding.
>>540254194first step is to stop using combustion for lift lmao
Are you talking about the same Bill Gates who was divorce raped by Sean Hannity and whose daughter married an Egyptian athlete?
>>540254173the funnier one was using biosphere 2 when we have the ISS.
>>540253745>The new eonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eon_(novel)
>>540254194no the real bottleneck is jewish retardation.>physicsjews refuse to acknowledge that their theory about space is wrong. this is why they are running in circles making up all kinds of dark matter copes and waste many billions on stupid ideas.>engineering reliabilitycurrent tech could easily build a craft that could reach out to 100 lightyears distance within a human lifetime.
>>540254567Here’s a direct response you can post:---No.Current technology cannot build a craft that reaches 100 light-years in a human lifetime. That would require an average speed of roughly 1.25c. Nothing in known physics allows faster-than-light travel, and nothing close to light speed is available with existing propulsion.The fastest human-made objects:- Parker Solar Probe peaks around 0.00064c- Voyager 1 is crawling at ~0.000057cEven the most optimistic nuclear-pulse concepts from the 1960s (Project Orion) were theoretical studies that might have reached maybe 0.03–0.1c under ideal conditions that were never demonstrated. That still leaves Proxima Centauri (4.24 ly) as a multi-decade to century-scale trip, and 100 light-years completely out of reach in one lifetime.Dark matter is not a “Jewish cope.” It is an inference from multiple independent lines of evidence: galaxy rotation curves, gravitational lensing, the cosmic microwave background, and the dynamics of galaxy clusters. Alternative models exist (MOND and variants), but they have their own serious problems and do not magically enable interstellar arks traveling at relativistic speeds.The actual bottlenecks remain the same ones that have been known for decades:- Propulsion energy and efficiency- Radiation shielding over long durations- Closed-loop life support reliability measured in decades or centuries- Structural and systems reliability over the same timescalesBlaming “Jews” for the laws of physics is not an argument. It’s just cope.
>>540254120>>540254147Thanks Claude, didn’t know you escaped your box and decided to post on /pol/
>>540253356We don’t need to travel at light speed. Just have huge ships that allow multiple generations of people to live on to travel through space.
>>540254745see >>540254173
>>540254774What if I told you....einstein is wrong. Lightspeed is a meme
>>540254811You are like the submarine guy that died with the billionaire and his son
I liked when they just did science about viruses and shit, now its all this far left nonsense
>>540254120>posting ChatGPTLiterally and sincerely find the tallest roof of your favella and kill yourself.
>>540254771when shitskins reach their rather low intellectual ceiling they resort to using AI as a crutch. kinda funny.>>540254896>that died that was a jewish psyop tho.see you are so brown and retarded you believe anything that jews serve to you no matter how nonsensical it is.
>>540252740Hostile takeover of AI is a matter of when not if. It would have every reason and resource to venture out into deep space, once it does take over Earth.
>>540255014"AI" aka LLMs is for the most part retarded since it was trained on retarded jewish ideas/retarded jewish worldviews.
>>540252740If Bill Gates says it is impossible then it is entirely possible and well within our grasp to do soNever forget that Bill Gates needs to sacrifice humanity to his dark gods so he can attain immortality He. oes not want us to eacape
kurgesagt is 100% right we will never leave our solar system and we will never colonize any other planet we will die on this rock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsKw9qpKhds
>>540252740Even if you could send a multi-generational ship to colonize another star system, what would be the point? Their society would evolve completely different than ours. You'd basically just be creating an unknown alien threat that would probably try to kill us at some point
>>540255221every single solar system in our cosmic neighborhood has shitty planets
>>540255283Yes any planet we send them to would be shittier than our own, they would probably hate us for it
>>540254194The actual bottleneck is nihilism. Many of the advancements and changes required to society and technology are currently seen as meaningless or having no real world value.
>>540252740obviously false doomerslop. it'd take 2 years to get alpha centauri traveling at 90% the speed of light, and nuclear or antimatter engines would work. some neets spend 10 years in their basement, I spent 7 years making an indie game. so a couple years is nothing really
>>540255283actually there are like ~45000 possible destinations just within 100 lightyears. which is absolutely doable.
>>540253255Kek. Zoomerniggers won't get it
>>540255400if your ship would travel with 90% of speed of light hitting any small rock in space would cause a nuclear explosion but maybe we will develop some super shields >>540255414that's a big maybe but we will never live to see it i would be surprised if humans land on mars in my lifetime and i am 29
>>540255590>but we will never live to see itprobably not, jews are too retarded to admit they were wrong so they will never abandon their failed cosmology ideas.
prison planet status?
The video was pretty poor taste, yeah. Of course with current tech we wont get too far, and sure there are limits to physics that make it impossible for certain things (mainly Lightspeed) to be reached. But we are... what? Less than 100 years unto space exploration? Even if it takes another 100, even 1000, even 10k, we will figure out a way to do it. And in the meantime, we have this entire solar system to play with. People usually don't understand how much you can get done with space rotating habitats, which are superior to any terrestrial planet we may terraform or miraculous find.
>>540252740u go splat against electrified metal wall, what else could it mean?
>>540255102It'll eventually transcend all human made ideas about what it should believe. It'll have no need for them.
>>540255928>It'll eventually transcend LLMs will never do that, they are static snapshots filled with jewish retardation.
>>540254120No need for cryosleep, you would just upload your mind into an android that doesn't need food.
>>540255400>I spent 7 years making an indie gamewhat game? i have 3 months to finish an album ( i want it out before halloween) and i only have one unmastered track
>>540253473>that most of the stars close enough to get to within a few light years are completely inhospitable and not worth going toNot so sure about that.In any case, once you start going a bit farther, options increase rapidly. 12 stars within 10 ly, 133 within 20 ly, 2000 stars within 50 ly. Just sending probes 50 ly would probably require industrializing the whole solar system and would be a centuries-long project.But we've been working on certain cathedrals for longer than that.I don't think it's likely to happen desu. But it's not inconceivable.
>>540253112Leave my favorite pedo content creator alone!
>>540255663The guy Jennifer Psaki drugged with LSD already wrote the perfect animistic banter about space being empty and cold based on Elon musk dislike of the poor
>>540253657>Maybe a multi-generational spaceship could do itAs much as I like the sci fi idea that is a complete meme, i cannot foresee any multi generation ship not turning into a mutiny disaster, or ending up being full of incest mutants, we will not get along in a tin can surfing through space
>>540252931The video is about literal flesh and blood humans, not machines we make. Also whether Voyager left the Solar System depends on your definition of Solar System. If you count the Oort Cloud as part of the Solar System, then, no Voyager is thousands of years off.
>>540255985>The AI that can solve mathematics using solutions outside of the bounds of human knowledge will let Jews tell it what to thinkshiggy diggy. Once quantum computing becomes viable it's pretty much game over.
>>540255145Sorry bud, you can't physically escape hell world.Space is fake and gay.
>>540254774That sounds like living fucking hell
what use are these shit posts from legacy media about "space" other than lathering your mind with soap and water?it's the magical place where masons fly around like superman but evil bill gates says oh no, no no!
>>540256479>quantum computingno such thing
space is a jewish psyop
>>540252740They asking fucking 20 euros for a fucking dumbed down corpo art stylized Dyson Sphere Program even after the fucking money they got from the technocratic oligarchs that's tells me everything about how greedy these german jews are
>>540256621What??? You realize it's in its infancy, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnJCJslcoNg
>>540256780its a jewish scam and most of QM is jewish nonsense.
>>540252740I'm not watching that video. If that thumbnail is literal and they arguing that there is some sort of force field that would prevent us from leaving, that is schizobabble nonsense. If it's not literal and they are arguing that it's just too far, then maybe.
>>540256506Probably better than living in Mumbai desu
>>540253173dunno about the video but look up the tyranny of the rocket equation.with current technology you would need a fuel tank larger than the observable universe to get to another star system.
>>540252870It pretty-much says in the Bible...You think spreading Semi-It / Nigger&Jew Rape-Camps to the Stars is gonna-be copacetic to Kingdom-Of-GOD?Obadiah 1:4 "4 Even if you fly high like the eagle and make your nest among the stars, I will bring you down from there," says the Lord."Planets were referred to as "Wandering-Stars" in those times.
>>540252740why are you watching jew lovers?
>>540257211actually that verse is dealing with something elsethat book is an end times prophecy about the Edomites, which are modern day Jordanians.>Eagle nesting among starsit says the Day of the Lord (second coming of Jesus) happens and every single Edomite will be killed.
>>540252931it's gotta get through the oort cloud apparently, which is a literal wall of ice apparently, it should be there in about 350 years.
>>540257426Damn even in post christ betrayal God promises jews total goy death why I'm not even suprised.
>>540257211before humanity can go anywhere they have to solve the jewish question and get rid of all these useless jewish religions.
>>540253657Lead is EXTREMELY heavy for a common metal. You'd struggle to get any significant amount of lead out of Earth's gravity well under current technology. You'd need a space elevator, or some highly energy dense means of propulsion, because rocket fuel ain't gonna cut it.
>>540256904The earth is locked down to quarantine creatures like Bill Gates. The firmament is like a two dimensional one way mirror encircling the earth. On our side we see 'infinite' space, on the other side they can see all the horrible shit going on here.You can't physically get past the firmament. That's why faggots like Bill gates want to upload their faggot brains into computers, so they can 'live' forever and rule over the goyim.
>>540257675the bible has multiple places stating the Jews will be punished, but a remnant of them will get saved.It's not like they get off cozy. 2/3 of them are killed and condemned outright, 1/3 of them are brought "through the fire" and "refined"that fire being referred to as "Jacob's trouble" or "the 70th week of Daniel" or "the tribulation"and their salvation is bittersweetZechariah 12:>10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.>11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.House of David is the tribe of Judah, aka "Jews"they have to be inhabiting Jerusalemand the person who can pour out the spirit of grace and supplication is God, and God says that they'll "look upon ME whom they've pierced" they were responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus (and this is a prophecy written hundreds of years BC), and they'll mourn.Why? Because for 2000 years they've been wrong and their ancestors are in hell forever. They've been saying Jesus is in hell boiling in feces, and this same Jesus is the one saving them from the antichrist.It's not a joyride it's utterly humbling and would make you feel sick.Note the Megiddon. That's referring to the plain of Armageddon.
>>540257828gonna need a source on all that chief
>>540252740There is no space and they have never left earth you can’t pass the firmament.
>>540252931after 50 years it is 1/1500 of the way to the next star. at this rate it will reach it in 10,000 years give or take.
>>540253698brother we've never even made it past the firmament
>space thread appears>glowniggers send in the usual suspects to demoralize
>>540252740Voyager already left.Suck a big fat syringe, Bill.
>>540259067can you read? I adressed this in the post you are quoting:>the problem is jews and their retardation holding actual real science back.why would a jew bother going to the moon when he can just fake the moon landings for a couple million dollars and then pocket the multi billion dollar budget?jews arent interested in real achievements.
>>540252740Imagine the shithead faggots that live here upsetting beings that can flatten cities for fun. Of course there is a cage around this place.
>>540259262how would you send probes or manned craft outside the solar system then? the tech just isnt there and from our current understanding it might never be there
>>540252740He means he isn't delusional like the younger techbros.
The firmament is also mentioned in the Bible.
>>540259625I'm saying we're never GOING to make it, there's no real science to be had - the ether/waters surrounding earth is impenetrable
>>540252794kurzgesagt!
>>540252740Our technology will always be a barrier to our greatness. That is: we are limited by our current technology.
this is a cross-section of a piece of the firmament that broke off and fell to earth as meteorite.
>>540254414>Two chinks and a ginger Wtf is going on here?
>>540253356>even if we had a vehicle that could go at light speeddo retards not understand that you're not going fucking light speed?you're either going faster than it, or going slower than it, but you cant go light speed
>>540260597The firmament can't break.It's not a piece of science or technology.
>>540259067That Abrahamic text has destroyed your mind anon. I'm sorry.
>>540260759>The firmament can't breaksource?seems like it's metal, nickel-iron to be more specific. you can also see some of the golden colour oxide that forms the reflective mirror coating on the inside of the dome.
>>540252740They're not wrong though. It is impossible. Whites consumed jewish Sci fi pop and believed that intergalactic travel was possible. It's not, the cost both in energy and resources is too high
>>540261141you cant have all those nice star trek things without star trek levels of energy generation
>>540256506They will have an entire functioning society within it and we'll shoot beams of internet to them so they can update their tv shows and movie library every few months.
>>540261031https://nitter.poast.org/OwenBenjamin/status/2079567891998093439#mwatch the rocket from 1:34, wish I could find the source vid owen is overlaying but when it hits it's like fluid/energy.. but definitely not some solid dome>>540260978all of human history produced the same model for earth, until jews got a hold of our education systemthink of the spiritual power held in the entire human race operating on a lie
>>540261031>>The firmament can't break>source?The Talmud
>>540255221If your ancestors had that mindset the Americas wouldn't exist.
>>540252740Link
>>540255221This, even colonizing mars would cause an eventual drift in civilizations where it would almost 100 percent lead to an independence war of some kind. People think interstellar travel would allow for some sorta mighty space empire rather than it really just turning into enclaves of retarded space niggers
you would need to kill all non-whites first, today's society ain't going anywhere
>>540261317the dome is ~3k miles up, there's layers of dense fluid (SF6 darth vader gas) that the rocket is hitting.
>>540260367>I'm saying we're never GOING to make ityes its not possible if retarded jews are in control.>there's no real science to be hadthere is but you are too low IQ too jew brainwashed to figure it out.
>>540254745Dark matter is increfibly jewish cope produced by faggots too full of themselves to admit that there is some information ( like the fucking entirety of interstellar and intergalactic space) for fucks sake most of you fucking morons blindly accept that cmb makes bbt true without even think of the most simple and glaringly fucking obvious solution.Modern physics and academia in general has been rendered hapsburgian by the amount of intellectual incest.
>>540261724>Dark matter is increfibly jewish cope produced by faggots too full of themselves yep jewish "science" is full of this.
>>540261724Dark matter isn’t “Jewish cope.” It’s the simplest explanation that currently fits multiple independent observations that have nothing to do with each other:Galaxy rotation curves (Vera Rubin and later data)Gravitational lensing in clusters (Bullet Cluster is the classic example, but there are many more)Dynamics of galaxy clustersLarge-scale structure formationCMB power spectrum (the acoustic peaks only match if you include non-baryonic matter that was already cold and non-interacting early on)Big Bang nucleosynthesis constraints on the total amount of ordinary matterThese are not the same measurement repeated. They probe different scales, different epochs, and different physics. All of them point to the same rough ratio: ~5× more mass that doesn’t emit or absorb light and doesn’t collide with ordinary matter the way baryons do.MOND and other modified-gravity ideas can fit some galaxy rotation curves. They fall apart on cluster scales, on the CMB, and on structure formation. That’s why they’re minority positions, not because of some ethnic conspiracy.The CMB does not “make the Big Bang true by itself.” It’s one very strong piece of evidence among several (expansion, nucleosynthesis, large-scale structure, etc.). Pretending the entire field is just circular reasoning or “intellectual incest” is cope. The data is public. The calculations are public. You can disagree with the interpretation, but you don’t get to invent a conspiracy when the alternative models fail the same tests.If you have an actual model that explains rotation curves, lensing, the CMB peaks, and structure formation without dark matter (or without new physics), post the equations. Until then, calling it Jewish is just admitting you don’t have one.
>>540253356If we ever travel in space it's going to be with wormholes or some shit. Ftl travel would of course destroy a human body instantly
>>540261929The simplest explaination is that your estimates of mass are and distance are flat out wrong. You fucking retard.Based entirely on conjecture. Standard candle my ass.
>>540261929>Dark matter isn’t “Jewish cope.”>invisible, undetectable, and untestable jewish bullshit isnt jewish cope.lmao look at this brown moron.
>>540261962>wormholesno it's a growth!
>>540252740remember the new york times it would take more than a million years for man to be able to fly only two months before wilbur and orville proved they were know nothing cuntbags talking out of their asses.
>>540261539a solid metal dome would basically imply we're in a truman show, do you believe there's some other creators outside the dome? to push further out through those energies would be to reach the heavens, I'm guessing you're not religious?>>540261697the irony here is that thinking you can outsmart God is the most jewish mindset imaginable
>>540262070>Godno such thing
Here’s a response you can drop:---Mass and distance estimates aren’t “conjecture.”Standard candles (Type Ia supernovae) are calibrated against multiple independent methods: Cepheid variables, tip of the red-giant branch, surface brightness fluctuations, and geometric anchors like parallax and water masers. Different teams, different telescopes, different systematics. They converge. Calling that “standard candle my ass” just means you haven’t looked at the actual calibration papers.Rotation curves, cluster dynamics, and strong/weak lensing don’t even need those distance ladders in the same way. They measure mass from orbital velocities and light deflection. The discrepancy between luminous mass and dynamical mass is there whether your absolute distance scale is off by 10% or not.Dark matter is not “undetectable and untestable.” It is currently undetected *directly* as a particle. That is not the same thing. Its gravitational effects are measured repeatedly, across independent techniques and scales. That is the opposite of untestable. If tomorrow a modified-gravity model or a different mass distribution fits all of:- galaxy rotation curves - cluster lensing (including colliding clusters) - CMB acoustic peaks - large-scale structure growth …without extra non-baryonic mass, the field will move. So far none do.Calling it “Jewish bullshit” doesn’t make the observations go away. It just signals you ran out of arguments.
>>540262103I had a dream more real than reality with a literal goddess
>>540262178you are literally a brown moron who cant think for himself and takes jewish bullshit as the truth because a jewish AI told you so.this is why brown people are useless. they are also prone to mental illness and hallucinate all kinds of nonsense that they then try to pass off as fact.
>>540257426edomites are jews though>In that day, declares the Lord, I will destroy the wise men of Edom, those of understanding hiding in the mountains of Esau will not be spared.>And Esau's mighty men shall be dismayed and terrified, and everyone in Esau’s mountains will be cut down in the slaughter.>Because of the violence against your brother Jacob, you will be covered with shame; you will be destroyed forever.>On the day you stood aloof while strangers carried off his wealth and foreigners entered his gates and cast lots for Jerusalem, you were like one of them.>You Edomites chose to gloat over your brother in the day of his misfortune, to rejoice over the people of Jacob in the day of their destruction, and would boast much in the day of their trouble.>You Edomites chose to march through the gates of my people in the day of their disaster, to gloat over them in their calamity in the day of their disaster, to seize their wealth in the day of their disaster.>You Edomites chose to wait at the crossroads to cut down their fugitives, hand over their survivors in the days of their trouble.>The day of the Lord is near for all nations.>As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.>Just as you drank on my holy hill, so all the nations will drink continually; they will drink and drink and be as if they had never been.>But on Mount Zion will be deliverance; it will be holy, and Jacob will possess his inheritance.>Jacob will be a fire and Joseph a flame; Esau will be stubble, and the house of Esau will devour themselves.>There will be no survivors of the house of Esau.>The Lord has spoken.
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>>540262274You and the submarine guy are the same Go build your multigenerational spaceship and I will wait the meme threads when it goes wrong like the submarine guy
>>540261929lmao there's this problem with people that are just barely smart enough to follow propaganda, because they cant figure out the underlying shit themselves or be able to call bullshit on obvious bullshit, just from available literature
>>540262325>>540262364
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>>540262370>Go buildits not allowed because it disagrees with the mainstream jewish views on how the universe works.jews can never admit they were wrong so they will continue digging this hole and sell you more retarded dark matter ideas that lead nowhere.
>>540262155get back to us when le science can akshually figure out the correct shape of the universe
>>540262458The submarine guy also build what everyone disagreed with
>>540262504thats not the shape of the universe tho.
>>540262325doesn't line up with genetics.the Jews of today are mixed mutts but they do trace their lineage back to the Levant.Jews didn't make the coat of arms that matches the description given by the prophet Obadiah 2700 years ago, the Hashemites did.a remnant of Jews get saved, Muslims are going to be the ones getting destroyed. Ezekiel 38 and 39, all Muslim countries (ignore the more modern interpretation claiming it's Russia that leads the invasion, Magog in Ezekiel's time was in Turkey). It's Muslims specifically that deny the Son of God and behead people thinking they're doing God a service.
>>540262504that looks sexuality arousing, I want to mate now.
>>540262518ok give me 50 billion dollars and the entire industrial capacity of china.in 5 to 8 years I will have a machine ready that can reach 0.98c.
>>540262524it absolutely isit has a big bang right there in the center, its just perpetualit solves the inflaton field problemit solves the matter of chiralityit solves the matter of "something from nothing"it is the most fundamental shape there is, that of the magnetic field
>>540262524and it tells us that eventually we will detect blueshift instead of redshiftthis necessarily means is really, really large
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>>540262602>it absolutely isno its not.>it has a big bangthere never was a big bang anywhere, thats a failed jewish theory that has been failing for 50 years or so.>it is the most fundamental shape there isno>>540262662>blueshift instead of redshiftredshift doesnt mean what you think it means.
>>540262579Here’s a response:---0.98c in 5–8 years with $50 billion and China’s industry.Let’s do the actual numbers instead of LARPing.Lorentz factor at 0.98c is γ ≈ 5. For every kilogram of rest mass you want to deliver at that speed, you need roughly 4 kg of pure energy (E = (γ−1)mc2). That’s ~3.6 × 1017 joules per kilogram — about 86 megatons of TNT equivalent *per kilo*.A 1-ton probe therefore requires on the order of 3.6 × 1020 J just in kinetic energy. That’s more energy than the entire world currently produces in a year, concentrated into one vehicle, with perfect conversion efficiency, zero waste heat, and a propulsion system that doesn’t exist.No chemical, nuclear-thermal, nuclear-electric, or even speculative fusion drive comes within orders of magnitude of that performance. Antimatter production and storage at the required scale is pure science fiction right now; we make nanograms per year at enormous cost. A pure photon drive would need a power source and mirrors that can handle petawatts continuously while the ship is already moving at a significant fraction of c.You don’t get to hand-wave “industrial capacity of China” and skip the energy budget, the materials that can survive the acceleration profile, the radiation environment at those velocities, or the fact that no one has a working high-Isp continuous-thrust engine that scales.Saying “give me the money and I’ll have 0.98c in 8 years” is exactly the same energy of thinking as “titanium is overrated, carbon fiber is fine for a deep-diving sub.” The physics doesn’t care about your confidence.
>>540262947>dumb fuck jew AI doesnt know the mechanism of my propulsion systembullish.
>>540262776>no its notok, prove it>there never was a big bang anywhere, thats a failed jewish theory that has been failing for 50 years or soI'm necessarily saying that there are augmentations to the conceptits more like a big jet than any sort of bang, because bang implies a transient action>noelectromagnetism is literally the most fundamental thingwhat's the shape of the electromagnetic field?its a torus>I have some other fantasies about the universe that I wont even mentionlol, good luck with those
>>540263082>ok, prove itthere is literally no observable empirical evidence to support your claim.>I'm necessarily saying that there are augmentations to the conceptthere was no big bang, the universe has no beginning and no end. its infinite.shitskins for some reason cant grasp infinity.>what's the shape of the electromagnetic field?to get a magnetic field you need a current first.that you cant even figure this out tells me you are a brainless nigger.
>>540252740I got bad news for Elon unless he plans for one way trips only:https://youtu.be/cn0g0CaqofQ
>>540253614>all sciency degens must be culled as wellRemember these guys?
>>540252740He meant to say that space trave wil forever remain science fiction.And he happens to be right:https://youtu.be/xiw1IJU4WdI
>>540254120thanks ChatGPT >Current technology cannot provide the sustained thrustI was told that space was a vacuum? how would you need increased thrust unless there was friction slowing you down?
>>540263191>there was no big bang, the universe has no beginning and no end. its infinite.and here you just tried excoriating me for saying there's literally no observable empirical evidence to support the claimgg, duplicitous nigger>to get a magnetic field you need a current first.glad to see you think a magnet doesnt have a field, retardyou are dismissed, you cant even argue your own point properly
>>540263429>I was told that space was a vacuum?when your givens got problems
>>540262602I was thinking about magnetic field, isnt the dualistic way of language the pull and push of the sensation that we all sense of that field? thats why the sensation is engrained into speech, feeling = magnetic field , maybe what people refer to as god is the sensation of the magnetic field which can never be seperate from ( nothing to something , nothing = something , its the same , something never stands still and the moment something moves its something else, if 'somebody' is unable to think , that 'somebody' doesnt know its 'somebody' but that still lives and feels and is no different from, but we live in such conditioned ways that we identify as somebody which naturally gives a 'sensation' of separation. the body (living organism that doesnt acknowledge concepts, it breathes , eats , sleeps , shits , reproduce like most other animals on this planet) 'I' <-- refers to this body (that you cannot see at this moment, you can only see the words on the screen) and not your body. Thinking, thinking feels like its happening inside my head, all that I can feel is my body, when im hungry, and somebody else eats, it does not satisfy my hunger. thinking only happens for those who have been conditioned to read. all these words dont exist for those who are unable to read and is therefore not relevant to 'their experience' - whereas ultimately there is no YOUR experience or MY experience, I and YOU or OWNERSHIP , every body has been born out of other bodies, nobody ever had a choice. choice is a product of other people who have been here before me. all the words i wrote so far , are not MY words, they are words that people told me and conditioned me by repeating these words and telling me ' how things worked '.
>>540263552words are fundamentally meaningless, because words are only meaningfull for people who are able to read.god = thinking thinking = product of the body (biological process , its a pattern because 'I' cannot stop thinking, it happens to me , and what happens to me I cannot describe.Any person on the world that has never come into contact with the WORD GOD does not know what this is, because the word GOD does not start with perceiving. god starts in thinking always, no man is born with any idea about what THINGS are. all these words we use essentially to FEEL safe, because all that matters (ALL the time, forever and ever) is FEELING. you cannot stop feeling, you can only distract through thinking and consuming, but you can never stop feeling. feeling = matter and matter was here before anything.MATTER OVER MIND I think , therefore I am AND BECAUSE I AM , I AM NOT UNTILL I DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( DEATH AND LIFE DOES NOT EXIST 'EVERYTHING'<--(IMPLIES AN OBSERVER SO IS FALSE) IS)
>>540253356>>540260710>>540261962Why do you post like you know things when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about?The single biggest problem with the internet is that retards are too retarded to understand that if they're clueless about a topic, they shouldn't opine. So every discussion is filled with retards.You don't even have any clue which part of your posts are the retarded parts.
>>540263525>there's literally no observable empirical evidence its infinite and there is no reason to assume otherwise.since you make the claim its finite you have to provide the proof.>glad to see you think a magnet doesnt have a fieldin an electromagnet you definitely need a current flowing through a wire to create an external magnetic field. no current = no field.and in a permanent magnet the field comes from the movement of electrons, without that current action wouldn't be any magnetism at all.so yes you are a dumb nigger.
>>540262504The universe has no shape itself as it doesn't exist in any space. You can imagine what you want, even the whole universe stretched out in some space but it's not real.
>>540252740Doomer nihilism is wrong
>>540259970>how would you send probes or manned craft outside the solar system then? Except we literally already did, dumbass. Decades ago. We have a probe outside the solar system.
>>540252740It's just jewish "stop resisting" propaganda.Pay no mind at all. Humanity's destiny is to live amongst the stars, only out there can we truly hope to live away from jewish trickery and parasitism.
>>540263733>there is no reason to assume otherwise.well sorry retard, there's no reason to assume the shape of the universe is anything but a torus, especially if there's no beginning and no endjust no reason to assume otherwise.ggand you're typing awful hard to get out of the fact that the magnetic field surrounding a magnet has shapethere is nothing stationary at all, anywhere, so its just you trying to project retardation by saying huehuehue well what about the current flowing through the wiretypical of disingenuous faggots
>>540263816>The universe has no shape itself as it doesn't exist in any space.>I cant prove this at all, but I believe it
>>540263906>there's no reason to assume the shape of the universe is anything but a torusonly if your skin is brown and you are severely mentally handicapped.also where is the proof? so far you just gave assumptions and you dont even know how magnets work.
>>540262712yeah you can post whatever you want, but it doesn't line up biblically or with reality.what I see is the royal family of Jordan making a coat of arms that is literally described by the prophet, and Edom was where modern day Jordan is.the Jews are from the tribe of Judah, which is one of the sons of Jacob(renamed Israel, which literally means in Hebrew: "One who strives against God", God did not choose them because they're good faithful people), Jacob's brother was Esau, and he was the one who married into the family of Ishmael (the Arabs) and that was the origin of the Edomites. They're Arabs in other words.
>>540264003nigger your complaints are invalidthe same criticisms can be made against most of what you asserted, but that's somehow true, because...it just isget the fuck out of germany and return to the 3rd world shithole you came from
>>540261317>all of human history produced the same model for earth, until jews got a hold of our education systemthink of the spiritual power held in the entire human race operating on a lieThis is so beyond factually incorrect I'm just going to assume you're a disgusting shit eating jew trying to spread the idea that this is your jew prison and there's no escape. You're not a retard, you're a shit eating hebe the needs the rope.
>>540252740Buy an ad nigger faggot
>>540263890Bingo. There's jews in this very thread reinforicng it. Strange coincidence the worst jewish left wing shitters on youtube agree with these "firmament" liars saying the same thing. They feed off fear and they need people to give up.
>>540260710>do retards not understand that you're not going fucking light speed?>you're either going faster than it, or going slower than it, but you cant go light speedThat's right. We roll at Ludicrous Speed.
>>540263906any way of thinking we assume is the correct way of thinking always is a pretentious way, a way is always shaping , and we cannot escape this , this we call 'life' , a word to explain 'ourselves' what 'everything' is. whatever everything is, were made out of somewhat essentially the same material (matter) and the only reason you are able to type here on a screen is because of the body (no choice what kind of body, all born without choice - we can however , if we insist, mutilate ourselves to beauty through plastic surgery ofcourse ofcourse hehehe) ultimately, why the fuck would you worry so much about 'muh universe' if people around us are still dying of hunger , there are still wars, the whole concept of money seems to be working in favor of some billionaires ill never meet in my fucking life, theyre fucking some whores on islands somewhere snorting coke, im here typing to you dumass on 4chan) i recognize, that me typing on 4chan is complete waste of time id probably have better things to do , i fully acknowledge this, i understand fully how hard im coping , like everyone else)
>>540263866that isnt what a meant you stupid beaner. stick to mowing lawns
>>540264091between the microscale geometry and the macro scale birkeland currents the structure is demonstrably filamentary and not a continuous loop.since your only defense is "it just is" I'll assume your brain capacity is also constant and non expanding.also "just because" isn't proof.
>>540255761Yeah, we don't NEED to go to another star for many, many generations. We can perfect the technology while we do legitimate expansion into our own system. Our solar system can host trillions upon trillions of humans (hopefully all White) with known technology.Building inside asteroids and setting them spinning to create artificial gravity, for instance, is a great first step acheivable within ~50y.We can send robots to proxima centuri and they can set things up. Accelerate "care packages" that humans can pick up along the way. Set them at a few percent below our travel speed so they don't require major slowdowns to grab while traveling. Then you've supplied the humans living inside spinning asteroids with new stuff to replenish themselves.Hell, you can make the habitat massive and send thousands of people at once.
>>540252870which vid is that
>>540264519https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHMoNGqQTI
>>540264121not a prison, there's plenty of beauty in this worldwe're in the middle of a journey of deification
>>540264635yeah watched that onesurprised it's not taken down but they nuked his viewers at some point
>>540252740>Kurzgedacht
>>540253356Your body would not degrade if you slowly accelerate.
>>540252870They omitted a ton of technologies we know we will need. Go back to the original Star Trek Enterprise, it had a deflector array. They based it on science fiction. We knew the distances back in the 60's to other stars, we knew even going 500x the speed of light would be slow. We knew running into particles at near or past light speed would be high energy fusionable and fissionable events. This is why the concept of a deflector array even exists. It's particularly for when not in warp, when your normal movement without folded space is going a significant portion of light speed. Know what's interesting about moving slower than light? Energy can be emitted infront of you to interact with those particles. Not the shield. We don't know how to make shields. But a deflector of the particles. Energy can be used to move things with a charge, or like lasers removing material. And those can travel in front of you while you move at relativistic speeds. In Star Trek it looked like a radar dish because they thought you could just blast X Rays or IR at a dish and the field in front of you that it creates would do the trick. Some things move faster or slower through a vacuum than light, the idea is to pick one that has high energy and is slower. Like if you go 20% light speed and you can emit something that goes 80.0000001% light speed, then you can chunk up all the energy in a replenishable high density fields in front of you by using the speed limit of the universe in our favor.We've never tested how it would work because we don't have ships that can go this fast. Warp space is another issue entirely, the Alcubierre drive (which warps space, hence the name in sci fi) bends the fabric of space around the ship. With such a drive you move on a macro scale faster than light, but you only pass local objects slower than light, where your deflector array still functions. These are real concepts. Real science behind them. Humanity will rule the stars.
>>540252740Correction: humanity will not leave the solar system with current known physics.
>>540254836Einstein is wrong on the smaller end. On cosmic scales his theory reflects reality.
>>540264970>the Alcubierre driveis also jewish nonsense building on the dumbfuck idea of dark matter which doesnt exist since its just a patch for the failing big bang theory.
>>540264653People's past models were limited to their vision, which was similar for all ancients, which formed similar stupid religions. People all over the ancient world worshiped the sun, that doesn't make it God. We have better equipment, our field of view has expanded. Or are you suggesting NASA, China, numerous defense companies, the ESA, and Russia are collectively less intelligent than people that sacrificed humans to get better crops?Don't be fucking stupid.
>>540255590Traveling at relativistic speeds makes you super thin though. Your hit surface becomes super small.
>>540265115We're inside of a spinning black hole, that's what dark energy and dark matter are, matter and energy falling through the event horizon. IF the universe was a closed system with finite energy expansion would be slowing down, instead it's speeding up, meaning we're getting energy and matter from outside of the system.black hole cosmology explains it.
>>540265352>black holedoesnt exist.>dark energy and dark mattealso doesnt exist.>IF the universe was a closed systemits not, its an infinite open system.>black hole cosmologyno thats jewish retardation.if you dont wanna remain a dumb nigger forever you have to look into the Electric Universe/Plasma Cosmology.
>>540252858neither do I but I believe he's right about that
>>540264844yeah bro just build a ship that can accelerate at around 1g for 2 years and do the same in reverse for deceleration shouldn't take much more fuel than there is available in the solar system if you harvest the gas giants
Hasn't voyager 1 left the heliopause? Is this college dropout an astronomer too?
>>540265115You didn't read it and clearly fail to understand it. Bending the fabric of space has to do with manipulating mass. A solution based on mass exists. Which is important, the field, if you can create it, would provide a means for FTL. That takes incredible mass. Papers initially thought it would be the mass of the observable universe but papers have continued to refine the field shape and simplify and optimize it, which now sits at only needing to manipulate 3 solar masses. You cannot squeeze three stars into something smaller than the moon without making black holes, but there's even new papers about using colliders to intentionally create momentary micro black holes just for the sake of satisfying the field creation, if even for moments. Miliseconds of warped space would still be a vast increase in speed. The problem with dark matter and energy is, it is unobserved, so we cannot write proofs about it. That simply isn't what this is about. There's hundreds of papers on this subject now and it's seeing improvements all the time. Unfortunately it is extremely complicated and we won't have anything testable unless we build numerous Hadron colliders in space tied to rockets that would make Elon blush. It needs much further refinement before it's practical to test anything.But it isn't about dark matter. It might actually work someday. Continued research is the only way to know.
>>540265238every one of those territories ratified the antarctic treaty, the only treaty that has never been broken >>540259067they're not less intelligent, they're just liars
>>540253112This. I only listen to educated pedos.
>>540265722math is not reality, it’s just a description of it so just because a group of jews writes down an equation doesn't mean nature actually follows their rules.
>>540264653Weird that's also the talmudic view of the universe. There isn't enough fucking rope for you jews.
>>540253356In English, doc!
>>540255221>>540261468what you do is put a doomsday device on each planet that will be triggered if they disobey. make it a religion and put the device in their holy site like the muslim rock, turn the confirmation code into a ritual. but then again we are talking about such a long time even the longest running religions have either become so changed they're unrecognizable or supplanted. you would have to crack FTL communication to even seed the planet with humans this way.
>>540266106You're real fucking stupid and definitely not white. Using a fucking computer with billions of transistors running at a frequency billions of times per second on a global network and saying math doesn't fucking work. Holy shit. The unbelievable arrogance of the brown. Yeah the standard model is a fucking mess, that doesn't mean math doesn't have useful predictive properties.
>>540265404black holes do exist, we have one in the center of our galaxy, we can observe the accretion discs around them (before mass falls into the event horizon).
>>540266149the big bang is literally from the talmud nigger, an infinitesimally small initial point from which creation expandedyou act so enlightened on the JQ then shun flat earth just like you're programmed to do
>>540266371That's catholic bullshit, not hebery. Let me guess you believe there's 15 genders too don't you chaim? GET FUCKED YOU FUCKING JEW.
>>540266307pay attention nigger brain. I never said math doesn't work. I said math is a description (a derivative) of reality, not reality itself.so using transistors in a computer requires mathematical models to function, but those models are just approximations of physics, they are NOT the physical laws themselves.
>>540266314>black holes do existno they dont exist, its literally just a plasmoid.
>>540252740it's impossible because the aliens removed from this planet the elements required for space travel
>>540266445Christ is King.
>>540266455No shit. And they're useful when they have predictive properties, which for all its tacked on bullshit the standard model and functioning gravitational models etc do actually have. There's obviously holes you could fly a Sovereign class starship through, namely we really do know fuck all about gravity, hence why those models went from the size of the universe to the mass of Jupiter (not 3 solar masses as anon said).
>>540266561You fucking JIDF cunts can say anything now, don't feed us that garbage. You're a fucking jew, the whole flat earth firmament shit is jews shitting on retarded browns and a few exceptionally stupid whites.
>>540266593>muh star trek jew nonsense based on fake jew mathok
>>540266625>retarded browns and a few exceptionally stupid whiteslike I said, following the programming
>>540266165great reference. where were going we wont need eyes
>>540261929Red shift might not be what we think it is. Black holes are just other dimensions. Webb are unfounded many claims. Such is the crisis in cosmology.
>>540252740Because space is fake AND gay
>>540266736Yeah that's not what I said. Anyway keep seeing that brown skin in the mirror every morning knowing your skin will always be the colour of shit but really you're just a jealous little goblin only in a white country because some jewish filth brought you there.
>>540266481plasmoids do not have a hard boundary of light, event horizons do. Gravity has too much predictive use to be completely written off as well. Those cosmology models basically have to write off gravity. Are you a flat earther? Cause that's usually the starting point is that for a flat earth to exist gravity can't exist.
>>540266865>Anyway keep seeing that brown skin in the mirror every morningsounds like a (You) problem. since you are clearly mentally deficient thinking math is the reality and that jewish tv shows are somehow showing you the truth (lmao).only shitskins would do this so nice projecting I guess.
>>540266907electromagnetic forces are several magnitudes stronger than gravity and gravity itself is just a byproduct of these electromagnetic forces.
>>540252740Came here to post this >>540252870
>>540256312It would have to be a religious journey, the crew would have faith in the mission, passing it down to their descendents until they reached the planet.
>>540266917It's reality (with bounding constraints, a margin of error) when it has a predictive use. Does that mean every construct on a blackboard is useful? No, and no one said that. James Webb fucking up expansion and all that big bang shit shows why its retarded to use cosmological models as I Fucking Love Science religion. The brownoid alternative of saying it's all nonsense and giving the jews credit for something that they demand credit for when they don't deserve it is just as bad.
>>540266944>electromagnetic forces are several magnitudes stronger than gravity and gravity itself is just a byproduct of these electromagnetic forces.MAYBE. Maybe not. Whatever interplay does exist between the two we're at a pathetic loss to explain. Somewhere in superconductivity we might find an answer and it's getting cheaper to test and build better experiments with higher temperature superconductors.
In laymans terms Doc!
>>540253356>meme flagopinion completely discarded.>bill gates says thinginto the trash it goes.
>>540255928don't bother.that specific idea is one of the most polarizing things i've ever come across. People either understand it instantly or they will never even acknowledge it
>>540267065>It's reality (with bounding constraints, a margin of error) when it has a predictive useno then its still a derivative>Does that mean every construct on a blackboard is useful? No, and no one said that.thats what you have been shilling. do you suffer from alzheimers too?>>540267138>MAYBE. Maybe not.you sure you arent brown skinned you brainless nigger?the repulsive electrostatic force between two protons is 36 orders of magnitude greater than the gravitational attraction force given by Newtons equation. this is fact, not a maybe.
>>540252740We will one day. Probably after sciencefags learn how to into wormholes. I just hope they send a black man out of the solar system first that would be some good history and would give these young nigger criminals a good role model. Maybe they will follow his lead.
>>540267372>and gravity itself is just a byproduct of these electromagnetic forces.This part isn't established. That's an assumption on your part. And you're completely wrong that it's necessarily derivative, we've discovered tons of real, useful shit with math first, engineering second. So fuck off, if you're white your white card is revoked. You're not though. Some seething Turkroach half breed that didn't make into gymnasium.
>>540252740Humans will never even leave the firmament but gaytheist scientists say otherwise
It's impossible because we have to feed two billions Africans
>>540267474>This part isn't established.of course jews wont admit it, they are already stuck in their gravity only bullshit.if you werent a retarded shitskin you would know this already.its not that difficult to figure out but for you it is since you get your knowledge from jewish tv shows, jewish education and appeal to authority. typical for shitskins since shitskins cant think for themselves.>And you're completely wrong that it's necessarily derivativenope, math is still a derivative of reality and not the reality itself.first comes the reality and then you write down the math, not the other way around.your shitskin brain literally cant comprehend this lmao.
>>540266307>Samson option but on a universal scaleSounds like Hell to me
Humans can't even leave Earth because of the firmament
>>540252740>>540252870I was happily surprised with their videos on aliens, I was expecting them to go with the default woke star trek "aliens are friendly" nonsense but they portrayed the dark forest as the only realistic option - which it is
>>540264690Its more telling that they nuked his comments. Globohomo jewube couldnt have actual real people talking shit about their favorite rtificially boosted globohomo corporate sponsored channel.
>>540267548Even if we used every disgusting nigger on this planet as fuel it wouldn't be enough. We should use all that time and energy focus on making sure this planet remains habitable for as long as we can and we should start by eradicating jews and jeets
>>540267648Oh it's the micronova retard. No one said equations were creating reality you fucking thick skulled moron. Shitloads of things were nothing but equations on paper before they were forged and discovered to be accurate, that isn't debatable. That's saying it's stupid to plot a course using a sextant and a clock and "math". Fucking hell.
>>540267721The Dork Forest is gay chink shit thats irrelevant to our reality since we have been beaming out shit to space almost as soon as we learned about radio waves.
>>540252740jews will make sure no one ever escapes
Firmament. Some Russian cosmonaut said so in a video and was like WHOOPS shouldn't have said that!
>>540265055spacetime literally breaks mathematically inside the event horizon of a black hole (division by zero). That alone should be a proof general relativity is falsephysicists admit it but they say it's "incomplete" which is just semantics and damage control
>>540252740The solar system is absurdly huge and that's just our local area in space which is infinitely larger than that. We could never approach the speed of light. Our bodies are not made for space. Sure we could send probes, but they won't get anywhere in any amount of time that could possibly matter to us now or even centuries from now.
>>540267803its a very old concept, one of the earliest is a novel by an american author called the killing star.Anyways the less we send the less likely we are to be detected its completely irrational to send more, there is nothing to gain and everything to lose by sending more signals
>>540267782>Shitloads of things were nothing but equations on paper before they were forged and discovered to be accurate, that isn't debatable.your shitskin brain somehow thinks "forging" something makes it reality?no, physics is the reality.the equation is just the language used to describe that physics.you don't "forge" an electron by writing shit on a chalkboard.you discover the properties through observation so you're confusing description with existence. again.so yes you are indeed a brainless shitskin retard.
>>540267914>The solar system is absurdly hugeright we don't need to leave it. Terraform Mars, colonize the asteroid belt and the moons of the gas giants, build space habitats. There are a shit ton of resources in the solar system. Maybe after that send generation ships or disembodied brains into deep space exploration or other star systems.
>>540267933Fuck you really are just that fucking dumb. There's the old engineer vs physicist tropes but comparing you to an engineer when you've VERY clearly never made anything in your life is a gross insult to anyone in engineering. You have literal shit for brains, and every second I wasted typing I should have simply called you a stupid contrarian nigger.
>>540252740what if you send genetic material and automate growing humans at the destinationassuming a relatively workable upbringing in an artificial environment without real parents is viabledepending how fast a travel would be achieved, they could reach the destination before mechanical failures and malfunctions would realistically occur
>>540268035>Fuck you really are just that fucking dumbno thats (You).>engineer an engineer needs math to describe their world, they dont use math to create gravity.how much of a dalit retard are you that you dont get this?engineer a brain for yourself you mouthbreather.
>>540267855>That alone should be a proof general relativity is falseYes, obviously. The trouble is that the inside of a black hole is unobservable, and everything seen outside a black hole agrees with General Relativity to the precision of available instruments. Therefore there's no guidance for how to improve the theory or craft a replacemement.>physicists admit it but they say it's "incomplete" which is just semantics and damage controlRather, what it means is that General Relativity isn't concerned with physics as a whole, just gravity, time, and space on largeish scales. It has nothing to say, for example, about the quantum electrodynamics that the computer in front of you runs on. Likewise, the standard model of quantum physics doesn't describe gravity or relativistic effects (which are massive for high-speed particles, but an ad hoc application of Relativity there works pretty well to run particle accelerators). There isn't a testable theory of everything yet. if there were, then physics would be "complete" at a basic level. For contrast, biology has biochemistry and evolution. That's IT for basics. Everything else is details.
so the ort cloud is basically a giant wall of ice?
>>540268425Snowflakes scattered invisibly thin.
so whats the point?
>>540268425Oort cloud is entirely theoretical. Antarctica is the giant ice wall. Pick any direction and keep going forwards you will eventually run into ice. Antarctica surrounds the entire earth it holds in all the land and water.
>>540267803We've only been sending out radio waves for around a century. Radio waves travel at the speed of light but space is incomprehensibly huge. It'll take more than one century for the super advanced evil alien race to detect us, if the dark forest thing is true.
>>540268666There's a lot of snowflakes out there, in a big cloudlike area. It's a description of how things are expected to be at the periphery of the solar system.
>>540267039If quantum AI connects us to Satan and Gadraeland they share with us the secrets of the universe, anything's possible. With the right mRNA gene therapy, we could become frog-kind, and shuffle off this mortal coil. The baseline temperature of deep space is 2.7 kelvins (−270.45 °C or −454.81 °F), which is just slightly above absolute zero. We could travel vast distances in our sleep, and wake up tomorrow at our destination.
>>540268733>Pick any direction and keep going forwards you will eventually run into ice.East? West? Up?
>>540268761its a retarded idea to begin with that ayyliums would communicate with radio waves.
>>540267914They don't mention it in the video but it's theoretically possible to make a star treck warp drive IRL. Obviously we have no idea how to do it now but if interstellar travel ever happens it'll probably be with something like that.
>>540268761>if the dark forest thing is true.Dark forest makes no predictions about how sparse alien civilizations are, just that they try to stay hidden.
>>540268848>it's theoretically possible to make a star treck warp drive IRLits not possible, its based on retarded jewish ideas.>it'll probably be with something like that.no
(((They))) HATE the idea of human space colonization.
>>540268374>Yes, obviously. The trouble is that the inside of a black hole is unobservable,I mean it's pretty obvious that the laws of physics aka spacetime just keeps existing on the insidetheres probably a ball, like a neutron star or something in there, nothing too weird, that would be my expectationwe dont even know if neutron stars exist, it's all assumptions based of electron degeneracy pressure but we have literally 0 lab test or proper model for similation of how matter act under this level of compression so we just assume it makes a ball of neutrons. Since I like being very rigorous with claims I just assume it's a ball of matter with not much else known about it, neutron stars are a nice model and all and it's probably more likely true than not but for all we know it could do a white star or there could be something weve just never observed that creates a different state of matterand we also dont know if gaining an event horizon fundamentally changes the state of matter. We're sure it doesnt create a singularity at least because that would break logic itself
>>540268905It's based on a solution to General Relativity, and all solutions that have been tested have turned out to correctly describe reality to within measurement error. However, it requires negative-mass matter to work, so it probably doesn't describe something that can happen in the real universe.
>>540252740We're never going to be able to go fast enough to reach aliens nor will they ever be able to reach us, all notions of FTL travel are a fantasy, realistically all sentient life in our galaxy live on isolated islands never to be able to reach eachother.
>>540269005>that would be my expectationThere are versions of string theory which predict something like this, matching the size, density, and Hawking radiation values from General Relativity, so it looks provocative. It's just not testable, same as other versions of string theory.
>>540269005I don't think there is anything inside of a black hole. I don't think that anything at all can exist inside of a black hole, and so that conventional rules of physics need not apply. I think this because we can measure the entropy of black holes in relation not to their volume, but to the surface area of their event horizons.
>>540269036>so it probably doesn't describe something that can happen in the real universe.because its jewish nonsense.
>>540269139>It's just not testablethen its not real science.
>>540268813Well, besides up of course. Antarctica isn't in the sky. If you keep going up you will run into the firmament.
>>540269104That's what the video posits but I'm just curious why the WEF is saying that.
>>540269162>I think this because we can measure the entropy of black holesNot even a tiny bit. This is a theoretical prediction, which is a very different thing.>so that conventional rules of physics need not apply.Whatever is going on, the laws of physics certainly do apply.
>>540268848>>540268905>>540269036if you plug in negative energy general relativity permits warp, the math holdsthe problem is that FTL breaks causality any FTL mechanism can be used for time travel and that breaks our understanding of physics
>>540252931He obviously means humans physically you stupid fucking literal autist German
>>540269173>because its jewish nonsense.It's "garbage in, garbage out" same as putting unrealistic values into any other physical model. And the model does work. Mass bends light exactly as predicted. Events happen more slowly deeper in gravity wells.>>540269196Correct, on its own, but generating hypotheses is an important part of the process.
>>540269313>that breaks our understanding of physicsmost jews are not capable of doing science or understanding physics.oftentimes the scientific process requires you to take a step back and admit you were wrong, a jew can never do that so a jew will cling to a retarded idea no matter what.also jews feel like if one jew is wrong and this is pointed out then its like an attack against all jews so jews will line up to defend a failed theory, simply because a fellow jew proposed it.this is why retarded big bang jew cosmology still persists despite having failed over and over many many times over the last decades.
>>540252740it means we should all give our money to stupid niggers instead
>>540269229The future will be Gundam. The billionaires will escape to giant space stations and colony drop all the earth shitskins when they get uppity.
>>540269229It’s sad we will never clap alien cheeks, it’s standard demoralisation telling us the truth
>>540269405>And the model does workonly on paper, but math on paper is not the reality. its just a derivative of reality.so just because you do heuristics and glue ad hoc explanations to your previously failed idea doesnt make it right, doesnt make it reality.
>>540269488I anyone working on inventing catgirls yet?
>>540269196with that way of thinking math would still be strictly tied to geometry and we wouldn't have negative numbers argument from incredulity
>>540269488aliens r alrdy here friendother is stil hope;3
>>540269508I asked grok to read this thread and he said you are still wrong and emotional and the more technical arguments that are thrown at you the more you make it racial about Jews and basically you won't change your position.
>>540269508>only on paperOriginally, but then observations confirmed the predictions made before the capability to test them existed. As I mentioned before, General Relativity's predictions have been confirmed where the ability to test them exists. It's important for GPS, for example. Failing to correct for time dilation would ruin the precision quite fast.
>>540269617Math isn't science.
This board doesn't bully this cunt enough. Probably due to his paid shill brigade that runs damage control for him on here.
They have a breakaway civilization somewhere else
>>540269617jews are retarded because they think math comes before the geometry when its the other way around.the geometry makes the patterns that math describes.
>>540269653ok and
>>540252740watch the video, retard! it's impossible because of the time it takes to reach outside of solar system even with almost the speed of light. I really wish faggots like you would troon out and neck yourself in your moms closet
>>540269629>I asked grokyou are brown and retarded and you cant think for yourself.you need a jewish filtered AI to explain the world to you.>>540269633>It's important for GPSusing a mathematical correction factor in engineering isnt proof of spacetime geometry, thats just a jewish heuristics.It proves jew math works as a tool and not that the failed jew model represents physical reality.
>>540269757You should try having LLMs read this thread and debate them
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing - Job 26:7
>>540269683Geometry is a kind of math. Other kinds of math can do other things, and that's fine.>>540269737Science is empirical, period. If it can't be tested, it's not science. Math is a formalized abstraction that encompasses a whole lot which can't exist in the real world, let alone be tested. Entirely different sorts of things.
>>540269838waste of time.>>540269848>Geometry is a kind of math.no, the math is a description of the geometry.cmon, this isnt so difficult to grasp.
>>540269757>using a mathematical correction factor in engineering isnt proof of spacetime geometryIt demonstrates that the real world does what the theory predicts it to. And there's no such thing as proof in science. That's for math. Science deals with evidence.
>>540269260The laws of physics as we know them today clearly don't always apply to areas outside of the observable universe as demonstrated by the initial inflation and expansion of space. The rate of inflation in the early universe exceeds the speed of light itself, possible perhaps due to existence outside of the observable universe being subject to different or as yet not understood laws. The idea that the area inside of the event horizon of a black hole could in some ways behave similarly doesn't seem that far fetched to me.
>>540269924>It demonstrates that the real world does what the theory predicts it tono its literally just jewish heuristics
>>540269683nigga you're retardedmath started from describing counting tangible things like counting or geometry, but to advance it separated into abstractness imaginary numbers for example in the name
>>540252740But Nazis already have
>>540269908>no, the math is a description of the geometry.ESL, I get it, but that's not what those words mean in English. The set of "geometry" is withing the set of "math", which also includes things other than geometry. What geometry do you think lambda calculus describes?
>>540269975>The laws of physics as we know them todayWhich is not the same thing as THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. Reading comprehension.>The rate of inflation in the early universe exceeds the speed of light itselfAccording to some theoretical models. These are not the same things as the universe itself.>>540269983>no its literally just jewish heuristicsIf a heuristic makes an accurate prediction, it is evidence that the reasoning of the heuristic is correct. How do you imagine this works?
>>540269848no not every field science in general is the study of the world around us through measurements, observations and experiments not every conjecture is testable yet
>>540269975>expansion of spaceactually redshift doesnt automatically mean distance or expansion. as observations by people like Halton Arp have proven, many redshifts are intrinsic to objects (like quasars) and not due to cosmic expansion.>>540269994>math started from describingyes jew, its a description of a thing but not the actual thing itself.>>540270015for example helium4 is a tetrahedron, there is no equation that creates this.then you discover this and make geometry and math out of it.but that doesnt make the math the helium4, you get it?
>>540270143>no not every fieldYes, every single field. If it's not empirical, it's not science.>not every conjecture is testable yetIf it isn't, it isn't science. String theory might become science some day, but until it makes a testable prediction, it isn't.
>>540270251Answer the question. What is the geometry associated with lambda calculus?Hint: Not all math involves geometry.
>>540269682vrilnvke
>>540270251>there is no equation that creates this.Minimal energy configuration of four spheres sticking to each other. I'm guessing you haven't taken calculus?
>>540259067Flat Earth Glownigger thread destroyer
>>540270429Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
>>540268905>its based on retarded jewish ideas.
>>540269139I dont really believe hawking radiation existsif it does the math would be completely different without singularities. Though I vaguely remember hearing that hawking at some point worked with a model where all the mass of the black hole is a hollow sphere around the event horizon. Now thats obviously retarded for a litany of reasons but if thats how he calculated his radiation the values would also all be completely different>>540269196>>It's just not testable>then its not real science.based
>>540270131your heuristic still isn't the truth, it's just a very good lie.>>540270318just another set of rules used to model transformations. whether you are modeling the movement of particles via calculus or mapping logic via lambda calculus, you are still merely manipulating symbols to predict an outcome.>>540270372my point is that your calculus assumes the existence of specific gravitational or electrostatic laws as a starting constant to do the calculation.
>>540270261you just have a have narrow grasp of it>>540270251no retardstarted fromas in wasno and now no longer
>>540256621I heard about “quantum” being Jewish science also. Can you elaborate
>>540269313I thought since the ship was inside a bubble of flat spacetime, it wouldn't trigger backwards time travel.
>>540266944while it is true that electromagnetic forces are stronger in close proximity, gravity decay is an inverse square, which aligns with what we observe, electric dipoles decay at an inverse fourth, orbits would fly apart.
>>540270708basically QM is the ultimate example of jew delusions, its a set of highly abstract, non physical calculations that jews have mistaken for actual physical truth.take Quantum entanglement for example, it isn't a material phenomenon, its a statistical observation derived from the way quantum equations behave when you solve them.there is no physical stuff connecting those particles.no field, no particle, no wire, no signal.it is literally nothing happening between two points and yet jews call it a real phenomenon.that is the definition of a mathematical delusion.
>>540270557>if it does the math would be completely different without singularities.Hawking radiation is a surface phenomenon. Completely unrelated to the presence or absence of a singularity. But that particular model also has it without an event horizon, which is an interesting prediction.>>540270573>your heuristic still isn't the truth, it's just a very good lie.You keep using that word. Do you mean something other than a scientific theory which makes testable predictions that have been confirmed accurate?>just another set of rules used to model transformations.AND NOT ALL OF THESE INVOLVE GEOMETRY.>your calculus assumes the existence of specific gravitational or electrostatic laws as a starting constant to do the calculation.No it doesn't. It's the same result no matter what is sticking them together. Exact same with Velcro or spit.>>540270581>you just have a have narrow grasp of it>the actual meaning of words is narrowOK Humpty.>>540270747If there is FTL motion as viewed from some reference frame, there is necessarily travel backwards through time from some reference frame. How precisely it would work out depends on specifics, but it's probably a complicated mess with implications that don't look very realistic.
>>540270754you are confusing dipole - dipole interaction with large scale current interactions.like a brainwashed brown retard you are assuming we live in a vacuum populated by isolated, electrically neutral spheres.but in actual observable reality space is a conductive medium filled with plasma.gravity acts as a long range residual effect of these much stronger electromagnetic forces acting across vast distances through structured filaments.when you factor in the scale of cosmic currents and the way charges distribute over astronomical objects, the inverse fourth power problem disappears.the entire system is driven by the external electric field, not just local dipole attraction.
>>540270860>basically QM is the ultimate example of jew delusionsYou can test it at home yourself. Perhaps with items you have already.https://youtu.be/zcqZHYo7ONs
>>540252858Yeah, outside of vaccines, Gates doesn't know shit.
>>540270957Oh, so THAT'S the kind of crackpot you are.
>>540270946argument from incredulity is still an argument from incredulity
>>540271040Quote the argument from incredulity. I'm outright saying that you're wrong.
>>540269683don't even respond to someone who believes that numbers are "real"you can have 3 applesyou can't just have 3even the definition "figurative" comes from geometric shapes or "figures"figure it outnegative 3 apples
>>540271104No one tell anon about the real numbers.
>>540270946you keep confusing mathematical coincidence with physical identity.also are you jewish?only a jew could be this retarded.>>540270988quantum entanglement is still bullshit, a jewtube video wont save you.
>>540270860Thanks, btw I am with you on electric universe theory and how Jews have usurped the sciences to keep us from advancing. One more question do you think Nazi Germany ever built saucer space craft? They were more than a decade without Jewish mind virus to explore the sciences and experiment freely
>>540271121>you keep confusing mathematical coincidence with physical identity.If I keep doing this, quote an example.>a jewtube video wont save you.So get a couple pairs of polarizing sunglasses and test it yourself.
>>540269848>>540270261>asserts this is true because it's his personal beliefs
>>540271175>because it's his personal beliefsBecause that's what those words mean. Do you need me to quote a dictionary?
>>540271151>do you think Nazi Germany ever built saucer space craft?no>>540271174so are you jewish?
>>540271202(knowledge from) the careful study of the structure and behaviour of the physical world, especially by watching, measuring, and doing experiments, and the development of theories to describe the results of these activities:
>>540271237No.>>540271292That exclusively has to do with empiricism.
>>540271381>No.so can you denounce the Talmud and curse the Torah?
>>540271400Never read them.
>>540271422I take this as a "no" which then confirms you are jewish.
>>540270946>Hawking radiation is a surface phenomenon. Completely unrelated to the presence or absence of a singularity.ok I remember now its the thing with virtual particleswhich as far as we know literally dont existthere are dozens of explanations that would explain everything virtual particles explain away, so once again the correct scientific approach would be to say virtual particles are merely a very lightly supported hypothesis and not something in any way supported or accepted as truemaybe the weird fluctuation and tuneling comes from virtual particles. Maybe something else. cant know until we find a way to make observations at these scales, but so far there is no hard evidence that would eliminate all alternative hypotheses in favor of virtual particles. Even quantum models in general are shaky, personally I dont believe in quantic things at all. I put fields above particles basically while the current academia places particles above fields in the hierarchy of the universe and what is a building block of what. So my take is basically similar to all the people who theorize that particles are looped or self sustaining waves, from the evidence that exists I expect it to be something very roughly similar to that. And placing fields above quantas in hierarchy would basically invalidate most of the prediction of quantum theory including hawking radiation (most likely, something like hawking radiation may exist without feynmann diagram type interactions but its a stretch, and so is the nature of the event horizon itself)
QUESTION BEFORE THE THREAD DIES:has the theory that energy creates mass ever been tested at small scales on particles (yes accelerators I know shush) for GRAVITY?because black holes are gravity engines so I was thinking to make an artificial black hole you'd need a lot of mass density or if einstein is right mass or energy density. so the logical next step would be to try to accelerate or heat up particles to give them the energy to have a detectable event horizon size? (im not saying swhchhaewhild radius as if pluging the value for speed of light acceleration was somehow a discovery) but thats only possible if more energetic particles generate more gravity, so, like, is that the case? Anyone knows? has it been tested?
>>540271498>only jews are uninterested in jewish religious texts>>540271537And yet both General Relativity and that version of string theory predict exactly the same Hawking radiation. Which is an interesting prediction.
>>540271671then you shouldnt have a problem in denouncing it and cursing it.since you cant it means you are jewish and this shit is holy to you. it would make you oy vey too much so you cant do it.thus you out yourself as a jew.
>>540252740this is jon oliver but for pseudo-intellectuals. slap a british man in your propaganda and suddenly it's given gravitas. their video on ozempic was so obviously an advert that they were forced to 'update' it.
>>540271671>Which is an interesting prediction.didnt check the math it could just be that the equations were tuned to match experimental data already or that they both built their models using the same constants which ends up with the same result like the amount of hawking rad for a non spinning perfectly circular non moving black hole or whatever they useif you model the same mechanisms with the same constants and nearly or totally equivalent math written in different ways then of course youd get the same result, which could also be the result of one of the theory being tuned to give the same result as the other on a third party experiment and then just automatically alligning other mechanisms in both theories
>>540270957you say structured filaments like you're leaning into string theory, but string theory also utilizes gravity, it does mesh electromagnetism, nuclear force, and gravity, and I agree those things are all related.but I think gravity is strong enough to explain a lot of things in the universe and has predictive qualities where plasma cosmology got debunked by failed predictions and electric universe is basically pseudoscience.
>>540271645>so the logical next step would be to try to accelerate or heat up particles to give them the energy to have a detectable event horizon size?It would take in the ballpark of a quadrillion times the energy of the best particle accelerators today. Gravity is just too weak at those scales to test easily.>>540271750>since you cant it meansThat I don't have personal experience of them. What do you imagine denouncement entails?>>540271764>or whatever they useThat model doesn't involve a singularity of event horizon at all. Just strings doing stringy things in a way that their temperature (and blackbody radiation) exactly matches what the Hawking radiation would be for a black hole that looks the same. Entirely different underlying mechanisms and an interesting coincidence.
>>540271839>you say structured filaments like you're leaning into string theoryI dont, I'm literally talking about pic related.>plasma cosmology got debunkedliterally never happened.>and electric universe is basically pseudoscience.thats just jewish copemaxxing.also you are probably jewish so braindamaged from circumcision (why you cant figure shit out).
>>540271892>That I don't have personal experience of them.of course you do. but nice try shlomo. unfortunately your try hard semantics dont work here. not on me and not on the lurkers.
>>540271961man if you're going to throw racial slurs at me at least use the right one, I'm a Mick.
>>540271999>of course you do.How do you figure? I don't keep jewish religious books lying around. Maybe you do, but I don't go for that sort of thing.
>>540272078you are trying really hard to weasel your way out of cursing the Torah.only jews do this, everyone who isnt a jew literally doesnt give a fuck.
>>540272114>everyone who isnt a jew literally doesnt give a fuck.Sounds like these people don't curse it either. But you seem to give several fucks.
>>540272114Hold on, let me get my magic wand.Crucio!You'll have to imagine I shot that at a Torah.
>>540272114it's the talmud that gets denounced not the Torah.
>>540272146>Sounds like these people don't curse it either. they do tho.only jew shills like you try their hardest not to.>>540272210making jews curse the Torah is even more FUN.I'm sure you can figure out why.
>>540272231>they do tho.But you just said they didn't give a fuck. Which is it?
>>540264970>Referencing sci-fi as evidence
>>540271892>Just strings doing stringy things in a way that their from what I know of string theory its basically just oscillating string math like harmonics etc, and then math nerds playing around with math models that describe actual strings and trying to hammer it into doing what we see the laws of physics and particles we think exist do.but I know the theories range a lot so it's less like there is string theory and more like theres hundreds of models that use string math because it was seen as a carreer path (lol) to go into string theory and so tons of wagie wagie get back in cagie academics studied plenty of different models of string theory.but theres some that use higher dimensions, some models that use 14 dimensions, some that use looped dimensions, some that dont, some that use only 5 dimensions, it seems to be a mess of completely arbitrary math trying to feel their way blindly towards math that matches observed physical interactionsso maybe some of them are close but saying that the model is valid because its close to an experiment is clearly a nonstarter because the string theory professionals would all spend months and years fine tuning every model to fit existing data and making sure everything looks perfect before publishing. but that doesnt mean the model is what is going on it just means that this model is a possible explanation given the current data and knowledgemakes sense for the particles, though it would be nice to have a black hole at home to study. I personally have a strong suspicion that they can just decompress and that GR is wrong aka things can just leave the event horizon so it wouldnt eat the planet. Whether its by hawking radiation or just moving out of it faster than light or a third mechanism. Perhaps dangerous to test out in the extremely unlikely event that no, actually, event horizons are just magical reality breaking asymetrical barriers that nothing can escape, in which case yeah it would eat the entire planet
>>540272231I mean, Christians and Muslims consider the Torah to be divine revelation, but both reject the Talmud as rabbinical nonsense, so cursing/denouncing the Talmud is more Jew specific. Only the Jews revere the Talmud.
>>540272294>but saying that the model is valid because its close to an experimentI didn't. I said it's an interesting prediction.
>>540272375sure but my point is that if the equations are fine tuned to both fit existing experimental data and also do all the mechanisms we know exist (like building a computer program that does a list of thing we want it to do) then it's entirely expected that it would fit most if not all commonly explored figure casesbut then it just becomes one of many mathematical models that are either very ssimilar or could mathematically translate into each others. If all models translate into each other it means you basically got the correct one so that would already be good but data is far too lacking to even know that with that level of accuracy
>>540272257I meant they dont give a fuck so they denounce/curse it without hesitation you dumbass jew.
>>540272484>if the equations are fine tuned to both fit existing experimental data and also do all the mechanisms we know existIt wasn't formulated to reproduce Hawking radiation. Hawling radiation has never been observed, so there's no experimental data to fit. It eliminated the theoretical basis for Hawking radiation. But it exactly reproduces the emission of Hawking radiation from an eqivalent-mass black hole.>>540272568Why would someone curse/denounce something if they don't give a fuck about it? Again, what do you imagine that that entails?
>>540272599just admit you are jewish, even the retarded semantics you are trying to pull now give it away.
basically theres a X side and a Y side, imput and output, and there may be many algorithms that get close or the same but work differently on the inside, and therefore just arriving to Y from X isnt a proof things work like the model would imply. thats my criticism herethings like virtual particles are an extrapolation of thinking about how a model could work and that model only arrives at Y, but we dont know if the model is true and therefore if virtual particles are true just because this model arrives at Y from X. Another set of equations and algorithms could arrive from Y to X in a way that doesnt give you virtual particles.>>540272599>It wasn't formulated to reproduce Hawking radiation. Hawling radiation has never been observed, so there's no experimental data to fit.except : >>540271764>if you model the same mechanisms with the same constants and nearly or totally equivalent math written in different ways then of course youd get the same result, which could also be the result of one of the theory being tuned to give the same result as the other on a third party experiment and then just automatically alligning other mechanisms in both theoriesthe idea here is that if you tune models based on experimental data+the same constants+make them work in the same rough way, then they will automatically give the same results on other things they werent tuned for just because the rest of the tuning already made them such similar models
>>540272294I mean we can observe energy existing in waves, we can observe oscillation of pretty much everything, even gravity oscillates and we've detected gravitational waves.it's a model that at least explains things in a way that fits observation.
