So the tariffs were just wealth transfer.
>>540253882Yes.The whole history since 1971 has been the haves hoarding as much as possible in hopes that they get to keep it after the reset.
>>540253882Go do something about it
>>540253882stop voting for republicans and right wing democrats and the wealth will be transferred in reverse for the first time in American history
>>540254086Not really. More taxes for shit you'll never qualify for? That aint a win-win.
>>540254086This. Remember how great things were under biden?
>>540253882Yes, but not in the way that post suggests. It's how Trump wanted to offset his tax cuts so that all of us have to pay more, while he gets to keep his money. Not that he ever paid taxes anyway.
>>540254086
republican policies at work
>>540254086You fucking mong, there is no redvsblue at their level. They are all on the same team. Everything you see is just an act
>>540254904everything is bad for us normie workers because the left has never been in power
>>540253882The next time the system crashes, you walk straight out the front door and start killing cops, Republicans, corporate Democrats, and boomers.Period.
>>540254086>>540253882>>540255111Why did democrats sue to end the tariffs resulting in companies getting money?
>>540254965The left controls almost everything. ICE can't even do their job because the left keeps stopping them
>>540253882We have socialism for the rich. This has been known by anybody with economic literacy for some time now.They're just really good at propaganda and convincing people to vote against their interests while also stacking both decks.
>>540253882Everything is a wealth transfer you fucking commie.How do you not see the nature of humanity?
>>540255188You confuse corporate elites and wealthy investor types for the left. Probably because you've been told to equate the two even though the former has no true political or tribalistic affiliation to anything but them and their own.
>>540255111>corporate democratsYeah the fucking socialists really have my best interests in mind, lmao retard kike
>>540253882Everything is a wealth transfer from the working class to the parasitic rich or parasitic poor in today’s time
>>540255298At this point they're looking like the lesser evil. If they'd just drop their dumbass migration stance I'd vote for them in a hearbeat.
>>540255369what i don't get about rightoids is, their party only pretends to care about the border. everytime they're in power they never do anything. when will you guys realize that if you're holding sticking with republicans holding out for democrats to magically be different then you're no better than the other idiotic goycattle
>>540255296No I am not confusing anything. We caught ANTIFA in direct contact with local Minnesota democrat politicians working together to stop ICE. You kikes always pretend to be victims when you all have the power. We saw the BLM riots for months straight every far left organization was burning their cities as the police stood by. Fuck off kike
>>540253882Anyone who said otherwise is probably fat and retarded enough that they will either kill themselves manually or chronically, short enough they won’t ever have to deal with these repercussions. Any nihilist world-burners are just as bad as commie niggers, kikes, and other assortments.
>>540255467>rightoids is, their party only pretends to care about the borderthey love open boarders because they get cheap workers
>>540255588pretty much. there is a huge disconnect between rightoid businessmen who unapologetically are pro open borders, politicians who pretend to be anti open border and rightoid voters who only pretend to be rational voters
In the end, yes. The guy who wrote the tariff plans genuinely planned them as a way to reorganize global trade and onshore American industry, but Trump did what he always does and instinctively served the donors and big business. He is the most transparently billionaires’ socialist President in history. He is everything Spengler condemned the English for. Worse, actually. Spengler said when the Englishman speaks of national wealth, he means the number of millionaires in the country, but when Trump speaks of national wealth he means the wealth of a handful of his golfing buddies. He is going to go down as the symbol of America decline, literally a Nero or Elagabulus figure.
>>540255693Why are you acting as if voting matters and leftoids won't do the same? We have a picture of Mamdani embracing with a Soros you retard
>>540255780>He is going to go down as the symbol of America decline>not Regan who started this all>not Clinton the guy who shut the door on our production capabilities>not Bush for all the wasted money and wasted wars that made his friends rich and attacks on our freedoms>not Obama who continued what Bush started>no the guy that tweets mean thingsfuck off kike Trump is shit but there were much worse people before him relatively recent
>>540255822>We have a picture of Mamdani embracing with a Soros you retardtheres really no helping you I think, your mind has been totally fox news'd
>>540255822>muh nothing matters>muh just as bad>muh sorosall miggers do these days is bleet and repeat the same tired 11-year old talking points
>>540255588>Ban Millionaires!Bernie, you are a millionaire>Ban Billionaires!You faggots are so stupid it's a fucking joke.
>>540255822Voting matters. Voting is why we're where we are. If fewer people in fewer states had voted for Trump, we wouldn't be where we are. Granted, we'd be in a shitty place still, since Kamala is just another bog standard corporate democrat, but we wouldn't be here, exactly. The only interesting counterfactual is whether or not a Kamala regime would have spurred the rise of the DSA so dramatically. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, America has been a lot like this for a long time. It's just that Trump's utter incapacity for shame and discretion make it more noticeable. We already largely operate as a socialist country, just in a two-tiered system. What we have is socialism for the rich and brutal capitalism for the poor. Let's give socialism to the poor for once, yeah?
>>540256019I have not watched FOX news since the 2010's kike. If you think there is a "good team" you are a disinfo kike>>540256022Yes just as bad kike. Both sides are a uniparty that hate us. When food prices were bad Biden said who gives a fuck you all make more money now which is a lie. Digger kikes actually think there is a lesser than two evils
>>540255588Nigger please, Bernie cucked out and abandoned this position years ago. He always cucks out to the Democrat establishment. DNC said import infinite foreigners because no one else will vote for us and our corporate masters want cheap labor and Bernie promptly changed his tune.
>>540256122>Let's give socialism to the poor for once, yeah?sounds good to me, also theres no danger of it going too far out of control either, since this the actual deep state will put a stop to most of it. Hopefully we can get some better balance though.
>>540256122>Voting mattersNo it doesn't. Not at all. It's a fucking uniparty. Life was shit under Biden before. Nothing he promised happened and the same with Trump because they don't give a fuck about us kike.>Let's give socialism to the poor for once, yeah?Holy shit are you underage or just a kike? The government does not work for us. You won't get socialism. You will continue getting your tax dollars being funneled into the politicians pockets and the pockets of their friends and family. It's insane how fucking stupid some of you are just because you don't want to work
>>540255172Which democrat sued for the tariffs?
>>540254086You're not getting shit with the DSA unless you're some BIPOC Queer NGO 501c3 nonprofit
>>540254455What part of stop voting for right wing democrats (the party as a whole has been right wing since 1992) did you not get.
>>540255298Well, no, you're not a corporation. Are you?
>>540256343>Life was shit under Biden beforeIt was also shit under Trump before him. Before Trump, it was shit under Obama. Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, and on and on and on -- life has been shit to the poor in this country since its inception, when our posh British forefathers decided only rich people should be able to vote in the first place. This country had some groundbreaking ideas, but it corrupted them literally as soon as it could. From the very beginning, even before you consider the disgusting moral stain of slavery, we encoded two classes in this country. We have never once been truly egalitarian in any real way. But voting? That works. Your vote is massively diluted by the money of rich people who buy social and traditional media platforms to manipulate grugs and company men. But you can cast a vote and it's going to be fucking counted. El-Sayed just beat Haley Stevens in the most expensive primary in American history. The ONLY possible way that works -- and the ONLY possible reason AIPAC spent money instead of rigging it -- is because voting is a real thing.
>>540253882You lost tranny!
>>540256686The entire political paradigm is extreme far left
>>540256686what part of voting will not do shit do you not understand? Everyone is fucking compromised with Epstein or Epstein level propaganda and the ones that aren't are the random senators or local politicians you mysteriously hear how they were shot and killed randomly and then merry-holed like that nigger Republican in Newark or that assassin that randomly went to a politicians home and killed them and even got away for a while then poof never heard about him again
>>540255976Nobody projects the image of America pomposity and excess and transparent billionaire grift more than Donald Trump. He is the last middle finger of the boomer generation, who, mark my words, will start a catastrophic series of wars on their way out.
>>540256760I’d bet your wife’s bull’s balls that you’re against the SAVE act because your kind needs to harvest illegal votes.
>>540256760>It was also shit under Trump before him. Before Trump, it was shit under Obama. Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, and on and on and on -- life has been shit to the poor in this country since its inception, when our posh British forefathers decided only rich people should be able to vote in the first place.Yes kike because like I said we are in a uniparty with some shadowy group above them that has Epstein tier blackmail material on them.>consider the disgusting moral stain of slavery,>But voting? That works.ok 6/10 troll you dangled me for a bit but you went too far here.
>>540256824>The entire political paradigm is extreme far leftlol you sound so mind raped
>>540255780>Trump did what he always does and instinctively served the donors and big business.trump needs allies to get his things done. If he burns literally everyone, he loses political power and gains enemies for no reason. They'll gang up and dogpile him. It's an unfortunate reality that has to be carefully navigated.
>>540256897>projects the imageWho gives a fuck the people I listed did significant life long damage and no actually Reagan 100% is the king of all boomers and represents the worst of them as he gave total amnesty for illegals forever fucking over California just so boomers can pay less for salaries. Fuck off underage/kike
>>540253882Tariff refunds... so let me get this straight...>Trump issues tariffs>the tariffs cost his billionaire buddies money on top of costing us money>he gives taxpayer (our) money to his billionaire buddiesThis is insane. We need to overthrow these kikes.
>>540254965You sound non-essential and boosted.
>>540255328That’s the nature of protestant culture Or flexing how degenerate they can be before collapsing
>>540255522Good goyim
>>540256945I'm against the SAVE act because it's just cover for the government to interfere in elections. For people so ostensibly afraid of election interference, you're way too naive in entrusting the federal government with more powers and less oversight over them.
>>540254086NOOO THAT'S GOMMUNISM!
>>540257035>pic related is extreme leftism>lol you're so mind raped
>>540256760I actually had a very nice childhood in spite of being raised by a single mom. I learned a useful skill from the tech school I went to and I can actually save money. I am very blessed. The economy is shitty and things are expensive but I'm willing to bet you're retarded with your finances.
Yup. I've made a lot of money off of the past few fluff ups.People waiting for a check in the mail are going to be disappointed though.You gotta go out there and get it.Oh, and have money to be getting it with. Sorry wageslaves.
>>540254086>>540257209>Blue jews will save us from red jewsAbsolute Goyim
>>540257175>no response to anything I saidI accept your concession kike
>>540254086look at these miggerkikes seethe
>>540256172>muh just as badeven when confronted on this all you can do is repeat yourself feebly. i know why you're stuck like this anon. you're too scared to admit that you were mistaken about dementia zognald
>Tariffs were just a wealth transfer No, that's the courts fault. They're the ones arguing that tariffs harmed the companies and that they deserved a refund.
>>540253882Maybe the wealth will trickle down
>>540257358You didn't confront anything you just mocked my points kike. That doesn't refute anything. This shit doesn't work outside reddit. Sorry you are going to have to find a job
>>540257259This is a common move. We're talking about systems. You want to change the topic to talk about me as a person instead of the topic. Every single time we discuss these things, someone just like you thinks he's clever and that they can avoid discussing systemic issues if only they can just attack the speaker and make themselves defend themselves.In the process of doing so, you smuggle in the idea that success or failure is primarily ordained by personal actions. It's not the case. I wasn't born yesterday. Stay on topic, please.
>>540257465No but socialists and communists are so retarded they think if politicians do the trickling it will get to us
>>540257430but everybody except migger voters knew this was going to happen including trump. did you really think you had legal protection?
>>540257569I think that if we tax the rich, close loopholes like buy-borrow-die, and implement programs like single-payer healthcare, subsidized creation of single family starter homes, and strengthen (or just fucking enforce) labor laws... society will improve. To make this happen, I vote for candidates who state credibly that they'll pursue one or more (preferably all) of these policies.It's not about "politicians do the trickling." It's about implementing policies.
>>540257430digger voters don't care. They will gladly cheer a corporation fucking them over again just like they defend immigrants which benefit corporations. This is how retarded they are
>>540253971>hoardingFinally you guys are using the right word. Lets say I buy 5000 acres of land and do nothing with it. Or buy 2 more mansions. The reason we're broke is because fewer and fewer have more and more. Capitalism isn't the problem, it's evil people.
>>540257761see>>540256968
only one of those places i spent any money was walmart and scarcely more than phone cardsmaybe stop buying cheap chinese garbage and you'll stop getting taxed
>>540253882PPP loans were forgiven too. I know a business with 4 employees that received $1.6 million. Tiny telecomm company.
>>540257892PPP loans were designed to be forgiven kike. That was baked in as long as you used it for your employees
>>540257825Nothing will improve until the dual party and it's associated tribalism are eliminated.Until then we'll just keep getting yanked around by petty disputes instead of uniting around policies and movements that will help the average person.
>>540256172fox news has taken over the gop and the brains of right wingers. You literally think in Fox news.
>>540257778>Capitalism isn't the problem, it's evil people.People often talk about collectivism and individualism being the most important axes in economic ideology. I disagree. I see it in terms of democracy versus autocracy. Capitalism is an economically autocratic system. If we hold that autocracy is, loosely speaking, evil... yeah, it's not an accident that evil people thrive under this system. Capitalism is, in a sense, an experiment in letting evil people compete in a non-political environment. The world dealt with millennia of evil people in politics making terrible decisions. In the best case scenario, capitalism gives those people a putatively less-harmful avenue in which they can say things like "it's just business" and "greed is good" without killing anyone. Capitalism under this model is primarily a harm-reduction method in the scope of broader human society. Obviously, it's failed. Capitalism kills people as surely as wars do. In a way, it's even more pernicious because it provides a layer of indirection. It makes it easier to condition people into thinking it's "just the way things are" because it takes a couple minor feats of abstraction to consider the system itself. Unfortunately, most people don't seem to be capable of this. That's why we have identity politics: everyone is furious at the way things are, but capitalism has become such a textural facet of reality to most people that they can't even identify whose dick is fucking them.
>>540258043I agree. I think we are on the clock too. I think AI is close to reaching some end goal of theirs which is why they are pushing it heavily and I really do think part of the end goal is killing the middle class.>>540258084No one under 60 watches that shit kike holy shit get new talking points
>>540253882>So the tariffs were just wealth transfer.Yes and no.Tariffs are in fact 110% paid by the foreign producer, because they are TAXES that also reduce the tax-burdern on consumer's OTHER taxes....so you got 1/2 of the tariff paid by foreigner's "excess profits" (profits which he'll forgo and still do the business) and the other half is just Consumer paying same tax collected in different way.Let me explain: If I take $10 from one of my pockets and put it in another, and take $10 from your pocket and put it in mine, what is the net of that transaction?Answer: I net $10 and you lost $10.However, yes, everything Trump and GOP and DNC does "economically" is always "we're doing a big change, but don't worry, the Markets will make it all even out, after a while" but there is always another one before it "evens out", so yes it is just a grift the way Trump is doing it.Trump has ruined tariffs for the next 30 years. No one is going to build a factory in USA because "tariffs make it make sense", because for tariffs to work they must be predictable, not just Trump's grift of the week.Now all of Congress is into the Trump Tariff Grift, and Trump will be gone soon but AOC and at least 1/2 of current Congress will be in office for next 30yrs min.
>>540258232Wew imagine AOC when she is Pelosi's age.
>>540258180How does the exchange of things of value kill people? I think you've confusd this with corporatism, which is a product of government.
>>540258232>Tariffs are in fact 110% paid by the foreign producer, because they are TAXES that also reduce the tax-burdern on consumer's OTHER taxes....For the sake of accuracy, multiple studies have found that the cost of tariffs passed through to consumers at an average above 90%. So this anon is either lying to you or somehow still clueless as to how tariffs actually work.
>>540257652>Knew this was gonna happen Before the election everyone thought Roe would never get overturned. Trump has a way of getting what he wants from the courts. I thought tariffs wouldn't be any different.
>>540258232>Trump has ruined tariffs for the next 30 years. No one is going to build a factory in USA because "tariffs make it make sense", because for tariffs to work they must be predictable, not just Trump's grift of the week.Nope for tariffs to work they must stick. If Trump creates a tariff through EO then a factory owner just knows to wait it out 4 years and the next guy will undo if. If they pass a law the proper way creating a tariff then now that isn't a guarantee anymore and that factory owner has to seriously consider building in America now.A lot of what Trump is doing is in theory good but a lot of it will be undone the moment the next guy right or left takes power. Republicans could pass all this but stopping the filibuster and it would probably win them the midterms and do a lot of good erasing the fear that it could bite them in the ass but they won't because we are in a uniparty and Trump is doing the minimum that won't even stick to pretend like he is doing something.
>>540257769>Don't care Yeah unfortunately the facts aren't easy to make slogans out of and require more thought then just your feelings.
>>540253882you can thank the supreme court for ruling outside their jurisdiction.
>>540253882So?Trump can go out on the 5th avenue and randomly shoot people without losing any vote.What are you going to do about it?
>>540258308Capitalism isn't "the exchange of things." It is the privatization of wealth. In its purest form, it's the RUNAWAY privatization of wealth. More than that, it's a system of political thought. Its core combination of ideas is that efficiency is good and that everything has a monetary value. Political power, religious power, social power, sexual power -- capitalism assigns a dollar amount to all of these things and attempts to optimize it for the most efficient generation of privatized currency. Efficiency, of course, is just the surface. Efficiency of what? is one question, but the better question is probably the efficiency FOR WHOM. Capitalism is silent on this question. It makes no guarantees that efficiency will be optimized for anything more than the use of resources and their conversion to currency. Naturally, capitalists answer this question themselves: whose efficiency is important? Theirs.
>>540255780Also, you can't just put 25 or 50% tariffs overnight because some country refused to be deep throated. Doing so proves nothing other than Trump being the dumbest retard of all time. The UK tariff is a huge three volume set with very thin pages and minuscule typeface. It is carefully balanced and has rates of duty of the kind that exist in most 'sane' countries. It isn't altered at 3am via Twitter in a rage caused by early stage dementia.
>>540258478oh yea and this is why he doesn't give a shit if he loses the midterms because no one is passing anything significant so this is a non issues to him. Also this shows you how retarded people are when they think the rot is just with him and not the senate and congress. No one is doing anything we are in a weird holding pattern as politicians extract wealth
>>540258603I would agree if you fucks and the EU didn't already have tariffs on us. No sympathy for the rules for thee and not for me retards
To this day I am amazed how the tariff discussion has been completely dominated by two utterly retarded viewpoints. One side lead around by the nose convimced we were going to charge other countries and companies a tax to sell their goods in America. The other, whipped cattle, driven to the slughterhouse by the corporations convinces they were on the hook for Walshart's profit margins. Both standing around with open palms and blank stares demanding money like the niggers they are.
>>540253882
Tariffs were never some pure national revival tool. They are a controlled release valve. The same networks that spent decades engineering free-trade orthodoxy, open borders, offshoring, and the deliberate gutting of the White industrial base now tolerate selective tariffs when it suits their extraction cycle.What actually happened: production was shipped out, capital was concentrated in finance and tech hubs under their influence, the native working class was atomized and demoralized, and then periodic “tariff theater” gets staged so the public can feel something is being done. Revenue gets collected, certain protected sectors get temporary rents, prices get passed to the consumer, and the underlying demographic and ownership structure remains untouched. Wealth moves from the remaining productive White population into the administrative state and the connected intermediaries. That is the transfer.Free trade was the primary instrument of civilizational sabotage for a reason. It accelerated the replacement of the historic American nation with a consumer colony and a cheap-labor plantation while the commanding heights of finance, media, academia, and policy stayed in the same hands. Tariffs without simultaneous expulsion of the hostile elite and the demographic invaders are just a tax reshuffle. They do not reverse the ownership of the Federal Reserve, the major banks, Hollywood, the Ivy League, or the NGO complex. They do not stop the continuous importation of non-White labor that undercuts any wage gains the tariffs might produce.Race war is the logical endpoint because the people who designed the open system and the people who manage the tariff “corrections” are the same group. They will never voluntarily cede the leverage that lets them decide when the pressure valve opens and when it closes. Anything short of removing that group from power and presence is cope dressed up as policy.
>>540258587Extreme interpretation of it based on the issues with our current interpretation.Neither capitalism nor socialism are inherently good or bad systems, but the accumulation of power within it turns them such.
>convimcedoh look Jeets are giving their worthless opinions on tariffs now.
>>540253882Yep another con from the conman pedophile who would have guessed?
>>540259031Voting for this, voting for team blue and not voting leads to the same result kike
>>540259120>Neither capitalism nor socialism are inherently good or bad systemsVery true. You have to make the judgment yourself. Is it better that many suffer so few can live in obscene opulence? Or is it better that the opulence of the few is diminished such that fewer people suffer?It's not complicated, but you're right, there's no in-built moral judgment. You have to do that part yourself.
>>540253882Wow, look at those numbers. I wonder why the economy is shit.>we refuse to pay people to make the goods we sell to them
>>540258895Those rates are probably between 2% and 7%. I am not familiar with most other EU nations individual tariffs, but that is generally the rates that operate across Eurozone countries.This is a matter for sober people who realize that throwing new tariffs round like confetti is the act of someone who doesn't understand anything about how many businesses operate.This is why customs warehousing and inward/outward processing exemptions apply. Idiots like Trump have no conception of this and wont listen to anyone who could explain it. He just thinks it's money to grab and that if I do A then B will just happen. He is almost as dumb as leftists that seem to think that factories just occur in nature and don't require capital.
>>540258039no they werent kike
>>540259565>Those rates areThey shouldn't exist at all and as long as they exist I take nothing said seriously from any of you guys about our tariffs. It's always our tariffs are wrong but yours are ok fuck off.
>>540253882NOSHIT
>>540259185>team blue totally would have tricked their voters with high school mathI don't think so goy boy
>>540258385i bet you also bought into the whole "china will pay for the tariffs" trick too. just admit you were conned and reaching for some apple to oranges comparison to distract from your foolishness
>>540258185>No one under 60 watches that shit kike holy shit get new talking pointsyou ARE fox news, all of you are
>>540259579official text of the acthttps://www.congress.gov/116/plaws/publ136/PLAW-116publ136.pdfRead section 1106 kike.and then they amended it to be even more forgivinghttps://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/7010/text/ihYou are a low IQ retard or kike who doesn't even research what he rages about and just repeats lies because they sound nice
>>540259579designed to be forgiven just like 2019 q4 reverse repo trillion dollar loans, right? dumbass>>540259658trade taxes have existed forever holy shit you are retarded. pumping tariffs by 400% like your cannibal pedophile king is doing is nigger behavior. >support israel or we will cost you 400% tax increaseand you support this. God bless you.
>>540259704What would team blue have done to fix our issues kike tell me remembering a lot of these started under Biden and he did jack shit?spoiler: he won't answer this
>>540259814>China will pay for it No I knew Americans would pay for. We're trillions in debt and running a deficit. Tariffs are the most effective form of taxation. I voted for them because I don't want the American dollar to go full Weimar. Its called making a sacrifice for your country something you greedy socialist would never understand.
>>540259958>you ARE fox news, all of you are>schizo kike posting
It's worth it when my factory job comes in any time now.The one that will pay for a wife and home and 2 children plus puppy
>>540253882Why isn't everyone investing in these companies if they're getting money back or even when the tariffs were in place?
>>540259992>trade taxestariffs. They are tariffs kike and they limit our ability to enter certain markets like with our auto industry and produce and dairy
>>540254455COVID was slowing down, Russia invaded Ukraine, and Israel got billions in military aid after October 7th?Life was good.
>>540259987amended means they rewrote it and they amended it multiple times. lol lmao. you are the low iq retarded calling others a kike you kike. amended to be forgiven just like 2019 q4 reverse repo trillion dollar loans, right? dumbass. ive won more court cases than you ever will remember that
>>540260042>taxes aren't theft now>Weimardo you even think about what it is you say? the USD is weakening right now. Trump wants a weaker dollar. inflation is going through the roof due to uncapped military spending ($1.5 trillion defense budget btw). like if you actually cared about those things you just said, you wouldn't have voted for trump like what the fuck lmao. miggers are comically illogical
>>540259658No one forced the US to remove the tariffs they had in the first place. Tariffs are the norm everywhere. You too have no conception of how businesses and trade works and see the world like a 13 year old girl.
>>540260281The USD is weakening because the supreme court struck down the tariffs. Raising interest rates and tariffs would have and were (momentarily) strengthening the dollar and reducing the deficit for the first time in over a decade. What that anon said was true, the same applies to the Birthright Citizenship ruling and numerous other horrible rulings by the Supreme Court. I always find it hilarious when leftist trannies say the right controls the SCOTUS when they have consistently ruled against right leaning policies and austerity.There is no right wing in the United States.
>>540260276Again kike it did nothing but make it easier to get forgiven. It gave more time to spend the loan, changed various deadlines and a bunch of other things. Thank you for showing that you read nothing that I linked to kike
>>540260452>The USD is weakening because the supreme court struck down the tariffsThe economic illiteracy is fucking staggering
>>540260039Tax the rich until they're living paycheck to paycheck like FDR did.
>>540260477>Again kike it did nothing but make it easier to get forgiventhats what im saying you RETARDED KIKEthey rewrote it to be forgiven and they rewrote it multiple times. thank you for showing me you are a retard
>>540253882Libtard judges literally looted the government coffers to give to wealthy corpos and the left claps like seals.
>>540260446>No one forced the US to remove the tariffs they had in the first place.Not the argument here retard. You 3rd worlders bitch about what we do when you do the same thing. I genuinely wish we had a partitioned internet where I didn't have to hear your worthless opinions about my country anymore most of which is just hypocrisy.>>5402605211. You are a fucking retard if you think "trickle down but the politicians do the trickling" will benefit us2. The rich didn't pay those taxes they all exploit loopholesHow about this. Let politicians do a full country wide audit and prove every dollar is not wasted and I will be on board with stealing all the rich people's money>>540260611>they rewrote it to be forgivenNope I literally linked to the original text and what part to look for and it was stated in there. Holy shit you really are wiggling hard to the point of lying to pretend you aren't a clueless retard
>>540260452>The USD is weakening because the supreme court struck down the tariffs. Raising interest rates and tariffs would have and were (momentarily) strengthening the dollar and reducing the deficit for the first time in over a decade. assuming you're not just copy pasting ChatGPT hallucinations you are honest to god a fucking retard. trump didn't need to trick you guys. you guys do it for free
>>540260521Yup. I have zero sympathy for the plight of the rich who say they can barely survive as it is. I make $45,000 a year. By being EXTREMELY frugal and never missing a day of work, I can just about keep my head barely above water. It seems to me that based on my personal experience, anything beyond what I make can be taxed and you'll be able to "survive" just like I do.
>>540258587Stfu commie.
>>540260486>>540260758>seething intensifiesIts a simple fact that reducing the supply of cash, raising revenue and raising interest rates lowers inflation, nigger faggot.
>>540260281>Taxes aren't theft now I never said they were theft. You need taxes to have a functioning government. >USD is weakening because of military spending Which is why I wanted to make more money with tariffs. If you're spending too much increasing your revenue is a good solution. I want military spending to go down as well, but I don't want world war III or mass global destabilization caused by it. China is being aggressive in the south China seas, Russia's being a douche in Europe and admittedly the Iran thing was our fuck up. We have a lot of need of military equipment making reduced spending infeasible in the moment. >If you cared you wouldn't have voted for Trump How was Kamala planning be fiscally responsible? Trump promised a mass reduction in government spending and started his term with a department specifically designed to reduce unnecessary spending. He cut a foreign aide program that wasn't helping America, would I have liked to see more cuts? You bet, but it was a good start and way more than what the democrats ever planned to do.
>>540254086all the wealth got transferred to quotafoids precisely due to progressive liberalism
>>540260942>Which is why I wanted to make more money with tariffs. If you're spending too much increasing your revenue is a good solution.This anon gets it.
>>540254086Actually the only way to end parasitism is extreme violent revolution.
>>540260452If you actually think tariffs are a good idea, pass a bill through Congress (congress has the power to tax btw)That way the tariffs actually stick, and business can make long term investmentsTrump is genuinely too stupid to pass a bill through Congress so he made a temporary EO to make tariffs, despite not having the power to create those kinds of sweeping tariffsAll the supreme Court did was remind trump what branch of government has what power
>>540260906>reducing the supply of cashNot only staggering illiteracy, but staggering ignorance
>>540261021Your chart shows Biden printing trillions for a jew war in "Khazaria" and a whole bunch of other stupid bullshit.
>>540261016>Trump is genuinely too stupid to pass a bill through CongressNope you are a retard who just sees things as presidents when the corruption goes deeper with senators and congress. Trump signs the laws but they have to make them and they aren't trying to make shit. Senators don't get enough shit when they are at times more powerful than a president
>>540253882It was an excuse to jack up prices and never lower them
>>540260942>How was Kamala planning be fiscally responsible?Kamala didn't get us into war in 4 years that took Trump 6 months for a start.>Trump promised a mass reduction in government spending and started his term with a department specifically designed to reduce unnecessary spending.But he didn't.>He cut a foreign aide program that wasn't helping America,and increased government spendingi could go on but facts don't care about your feelings, etc etc
>>540253882(1) attempt populist measure to reindustrialize america(2) get stopped by deindustrialization activists(3) get made fun of for trying
>>540254086best demonrats can do is allow skanks to murder your babies and transfer your wealth to them
>>540261116The house and senate only have 8 working days from August 1st - November 3rd they aren't doing shit unless it explicitly benefits Israel.
>>540261086Come on, now. You can AT LEAST admit that you were totally and completely wrong about the dollar weakening because the money supply reduced, right? Surely you can at least muster enough humility to recognize when you were demonstrably incorrect on the hard facts of your claim.
increased pricesmade millionsgot refunded millionsnew floor for prices stays
>>540254086I used to believe that also. Every few years Democrats have control, but it never happens. California is a great example of how Democrats cannot implement progressive policies without screwing everything up. When you realize they can't do it, you will realize there is no point
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>>540255111Jesus PLEASE go back to your containment shithole on plebbit.
>>540261245Your chart shows congress printing trillions for Israels wars, for a bailout of Intel, and numerous other things that ONLY benefit jews because that is the ONLY purpose of congress and the presidency to benefit jews at all times. It doesn't matter who you vote for because they are all jew lovers, without exception.
>>540261159>Kamala didn't start a war Cause she isn't president. Yes the strait thing was a bad move, but going into Iran wasn't part of his campaign promises and he didn't start any wars during his first term so it wasn't unreasonable to think he wouldn't start any in his second term. >But he didn't What is DOGE >Cutting a program somehow raises government spending I don't see how that is possible. If I fire a bunch of people and stop buying food and vaccines I don't see how spending would go up?
>>540255522> pantifa terrorists work hand in glove with the demonrat party, the banks, the universitiesquality surprise. as long as stacy can ger abortions her and her simp are going to keep voting for them
>>540261359It was Trump's fucking "Big Beautiful Bill," anon. This is just embarrassing. YOU CAN'T LIE ABOUT THIS. THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT THERE. Bullshitting is not an option here.
>>540261116Historically, presidents are able to get bills through CongressEven Biden get multiple bills through A SPLIT CONGRESStrump has bit the house and Senate and he doesn't pass any fucking billsWhy?I assume because he's too stupid. Like if you asked him how many senators there where he wouldn't know.
>>540256255>Bernie cucked out and abandoned this position years ago. He always cucks outwow who would expect neoliberal shills to cuck out after temporarily endorsing non consensus positions
>>540260452Dollar value increased because the tariffs made it more expensive for other countries to buy American goods, which reduced the flow of USD into foreign markets despite high demand in the short-term. Dumb faggot blump actually thought US businesses would lower their prices to account for this. Guess what fucking happened.
>>540261420You mean the tax cuts that were supposed to be countered by increased revenue from Tariffs that were struck down by a left leaning SCOTUS? Why are you making my argument for me, are you a retard?
>>540261234the vacation started way before that>>540261467>Historically, presidents are able to get bills through CongressNo they don't. They don't do shit. Do you even know how bills work? Who writes them how they are voted on? Hint the president has jack shit to do with it till the very end and it passes
>>540261608Hell, the vice president has more power over bills in congress than POTUS because he is the tie-breaker vote.
>>540255369Are you a fucking moron? One of their platforms is literally to giving voting rights to illegals. They want a long term plan for OPEN BORDERS. How in the world is that the lesser of two evils here? What are the repubs doing that the socialists wouldn't make ridiculously worse? Does the socialist platform of removing private housing excite you?
>>540261226>allow skanks to murder your babiesi dont care bout culture war slop
>>540255693Difference is that conservative politicians want open boarders, while conservative voters, don't. Liberal politicians want open boarders, and liberal voters want open boarders too.
>>540261673Correct I forgot that thank you for reminding me.I think when these retards read on reddit "Biden passed another bill" they actually think he wrote it and voted on it. This thread has exposed a lot of stupid fucking people like I am shocked how many people don't understand what the PPP loan was and what a shock the same ignorant retards have TDS
>>540258084>fox news has taken over the gop and the brains of right wingers. You literally think in Fox news.Nigger you're fucking retarded if you think ANYONE on this board watches Fox news.
>>540258325>>Tariffs are in fact 110% paid by the foreign producer, because they are TAXES that also reduce the tax-burdern on consumer's OTHER taxes....>For the sake of accuracy, multiple studies have found that the cost of tariffs passed through to consumers at an average above 90%. So this anon is either lying to you or somehow still clueless as to how tariffs actually work.I've gone over this before with Econ Profs.Show me a study where they take the tax collected from tariffs and subtract it from other taxes paid by the consumer. OK, "realistically" its basically true "they will just find new shit to waste tax money on" but economically that isn't an argument.The only thing Austrians will say about tariffs is "govt spending always hurts and free market best" which is a generic anti-tax argument, not about "where in economy is best to tax".Colleges in The West are really no diff from the also Jew run colleges of the USSR.The religion is "globalism" and everything must be bent to serve that.Econ Profs pretending the tariffs don't offset other taxes is just like how they pretend Niggers aren't a problem.This is why Econ Profs have to be given "faculty housing" complete with all utilities fully paid. The only step left is to literally water them like house plants.Of course tariffs come from foreign producer, not consumer, because otherwise you wouldn't see "retaliatory tariffs" and and targets of tariffs screaming in protest.If a product can be tariffed, that means the foreign producer has some baked-in advantage than can be taxed.
>>540253882if you add all that up and divide it by the population of the US it's $66
>>540261687Every "socialist" on /pol/ is one of the following:1. a kike2. a leftist redditor3. a NEET who doesn't want to workI think most of them are 3 like the retard you replied to
>>540261911sorry... $56
>>540253882hes right wheres my money
>>540261687>One of their platforms is literally to giving voting rights to illegalsGive me just one example of a politician getting behind this platform.
>>540253882you voted for it
>>540261875>If a product can be tariffed, that means the foreign producer has some baked-in advantage than can be taxed.How about that we literally cannot grow coffee and bananas at the rate we consume them? That's a pretty huge advantage. So now we just pay more for them with tariffs. Very cool.
>>540261983>wheres my money>mySee, there's your problem. It was never yours to begin with.
>>540262005It's literally part of the DSA platform.https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/entertainment/4663817/dsa-calls-to-abolish-senate-ice-borders-interview/
>>540254086>and the wealth will be transferred in reverse for the first time in American historyWhat are you basing this assumption off of? If it has never happened in American history or even world history for that matter why would voting left wing democrat magically work this time towards transferring wealth to the average person? Explain to me how it would work when it has never happened before?
>>540261850>Nigger you're fucking retarded if you think ANYONE on this board watches Fox news.you dont seem to get it, all the chud media ALL OF IT is fox news tier slop
>>540262171>Explain to me how it would work when it has never happened before?the american people have never voted for the left before
>>540262352So judging by your non-answer you don't know nor can you explain any process of how this would work, got it. I wish I could live life like you filled with magically thinking.
>>540262030tariffs are mostly about WTF you COULD producebut its true that if coffee is cheap but for some reason sold at high price in USA, maybe because importers have a lock on production, coffee could be tariffed and importers would have no choice but to take loss on profits, because people are already at the point of choosing tea instead due to price point.
>>540262161You linked an advertisement for an app subscription.
>>540253882No shit. So isn’t supplying aid to Israel just so they can turn around and buy arms from us making the arms suppliers wealthier still. It’s time the rich pay their fair share of taxes, even if living off the interest is their primary income. Flat rate taxes for all earning over $40k annually. The President gets a congressional budget from which he can decorate. All financial matters drawing from the taxpayers money are to be approved by congress.Tariffs: they are the burden importer’s pay to make money selling a cheaper product. That burden is then passed onto the consumer in the form of inflated prices. The importer is basically double dipping by charging higher prices as well as expecting their share of the tariffs collected. The tariffs were meant to rebuild the infrastructure needed so that we wouldn’t be so reliant on foreign trade, not as a bonus to those who have already been compensated by the consumer through inflated prices.
Based on the language, references, and behavioral patterns in this thread, I'd guesstimate the average age at around 22–26, with a heavy clustering in the 18–28 range.
>>540258478>for tariffs to work they must stick. If Trump creates a tariff through EO then a factory owner just knows to wait it out 4 years and the next guy will undo if. If they pass a law the proper way creating a tariff then now that isn't a guarantee anymore and that factory owner has to seriously consider building in America nowfact. to make america an attractive place to build factories theres a long list of necessary reforms and the govt cant even impose tariffs
>>540253882I'm sure it will trickle down, Bubba.Any day now...
>>540253882Yeah, so what? Are you a librul or something?
>>540261362>Cause she isn't president. Yes the strait thing was a bad move, but going into Iran wasn't part of his campaign promises and he didn't start any wars during his first term so it wasn't unreasonable to think he wouldn't start any in his second term. holy fuck cope Biden/KAMALA>What is DOGE DOGE increases government spending anon>I don't see how that is possible. If I fire a bunch of people and stop buying food and vaccines I don't see how spending would go up?By giving that money to defense contracts to the head of DOGE? by increasing the defense budget to 1.5 trillionI accept your concession with grace anon. We both know you don't care about economics or america and it shows in your writing
>>540262436>you don't know nor can you explain any process of how this would work, got iti DONT CARE, BECAUSE VOTING FOR CHUDS AND DEMCHUDS ISNT WORKING
>>540261687Actually it’s not private ownership by individuals that the socialists are attacking so much as institutional monopolies seeking to control ownership of homes built for individual citizens to invest in. They want to stop big corporations from scooping up the available housing supply so that they are forced to rent instead. It was Trump himself that said he wanted to make home ownership more valuable and less affordable to those who can’t afford those homes. Socialists want to increase the tax burden on those hoarding homes to offset the cost of housing for those who have been forced out of the market by higher prices to discourage home hoarding as well as making more properties available. Seems reasonable.
>>540256843wow guys I’m really demoralized we should just give up and let literal commies take over
>>540253971You know what that means.
It was lawfare and activist judges that caused this, not Trump.
Cry me a river, shitheads. I wanted the tariffs left in place. Trump would have left them in place. To hell with China. Now you got the lawfare you wanted. Go pester Amazon for your buttplug refunds.
>>540263574you should, your life would get better
>>540263574>we should just give upand what are you doing other than not working and being a burden on your parents anon? Tell us we are all ears. Boy you NEETs all love to larp like you are doing something
>>540263041Tariffs are actually designed to discourage the importers from flooding our markets with cheap foreign made goods that undercut domestic pricing. The exporters do not pay the tariffs. Buying less (reduced demand) occurs because the individual importer now has to consider the additional burden of tariffs. Instead of buying $100 of widgets, I now buy $75 plus pay $25 in tariffs, thus, a reduction of foreign widgets competing with local suppliers. However, as an importer/ business man, I’ll just raise the price of my imported widgets because well, the Tariffs. You understand, right? Cost me more, I gotta pass those costs on to you, the consumer, to stay in business. Here’s the thing. My supplier overseas has probably offered to renegotiate (for a limited time) his price of widgets, drop them another 10%. Make a few changes in quality, amounts per package, little things no one will be overly concerned about. So now the importer is burdened a little less as both tariffs are less as well as the cost to acquire that imported widgets. So, does he lower his prices to remain viable, help the consumer out? Fuck no, they still sell at inflated prices (fucking tariffs man, out of my control).Then they apply for their fair share of the tariffs to compensate for their losses. Sucks to be you, consumers.
>>540263881what do you think the tariffs actually do thats good for you? Please tell me.
>>540263881>t. salty miggerNobody likes you or your false idol.
>>540253882>wealth transferJust like every other government policy
cool, did they lower prices now that there are no more tariffs?
>>540253882In barretts wallet because the bull prepping nigger adopting whore ruined America because muh fee fees and she couldn't be popular with the old whores on the court if she didnt vote a certain way and theyd probably even stop her from adopting another nigger from africa she raises to fuck her in front of the midget faggot cuck she calls a husband
>>540254086Conservative have carte blanche to continually fuck up everything forever.
>>540265057it's so fucking weird how you care more about us than your country getting jeeted
>>540261693yeah see those two panels are connected(1) "as long as i can have abortions"(2) "i dunno whose ass to kick"(2) exists because (1)
>>540262171Remember he's a commiefag, and for them <Insert literally anything here> hasn't really been tried.
>>540264150Spoken like a true slave.
>>540265114Does it hurt looking at that graph as a conservatard?
>>540265432I never voted for Trump digger kike
>>540253882Who decided that the tariffs had to be refunded? Was it not a liberal judge? Trump's administration tried to fight it. Blame libs for this one.
>>540265489you should never be allowed to take your hat off
>>540263574Obviously the current situation isn’t working out so well. I think the whole point of socialism is to stop feeding money to the rich and start taking better care of the people that make it all possible for the wealthy to actually exist. You’re rich because you sell me a phone. You invest millions to make sure I believe I need your phone. You’ve engineered my phone to become obsolete every few years so must buy another phone. This cycle will last decades will millions of consumers paying ever increasing prices. At some point many of those customers will have to decide whether to remain in the cycle but sacrifice other needs or move on to accept an inferior product. You’ve become incredibly wealthy while they are just getting by. Your greed is limitless while they find themselves no longer able to feed you or themselves. This is where socialism come into play. Basically, the more wealth you acquire, the more of your wealth would be redistributed through taxation toward those who made you wealthy in the first place. Yes, you’d still be able to acquire limitless wealth but now you’d be required to contribute to those making this wealth possible through paying your fair share of the taxes rather than relying on loopholes available to the wealthy to avoid taxation. A flat rate tax would cover that. No exemptions.
>>540254086Who do you think is going to help you, multimillionaires who travel first class because they're so busy and important? Sanders and his 3 houses? Mamdani, whose family are from the group that are the oppressors and colonizers in his home country? Even the Communist Party has an elite, and you will never be in it. Go learn some history before getting arrogant.
>>540265597I can't wait till we hang every single one of you degenerate digger kikes. I will gladly volunteer to pull the lever
>>540254086gonna take a lot of trimming the fat from the "left-wing" democratic party and ejecting the ones simping for and/or directly bought by billionaires aipac etc, this whole DSA revolution thing from within is a great start but the only thing dems have ever been good at is defending the status quo against both regressives (right-wingers) trying to drag us back into the dark ages AND progressives trying to make life better
>>540257192Lmao I called it. This nigga needs his illegal votes more than he needs his wife's bull's balls to remain in tact.
>>540253882This will sound schizo, but I actually think the key to undoing everything is to fight for disclosure. I think the Deep State has been sitting on secrets for 80-plus years, and they stir up divisiveness and shit just to keep their secrets from the public. They want everyone divided and in the weeds.
>>540256824Let me guess...>"Everything to the left of Germany 1933 is far-left"
Don't care, still voting Republican in the midterms and Trump 2028You lost, tranny!
>>540265593The point was that the Republicans couldn’t keep on banking the tariffs but rather release them to compensate those suffering the greatest losses. Those same companies applying for compensation are seeing record growth (despite inflated prices to cover the cost of importing stock), yet everyone of them are crying poor mouth because they paid an additional amount for foreign goods. They already inflated costs to cover the tariffs already. The money should either go into new production infrastructure to decrease reliance in imported goods or it should go to the consumer funding this boondoggle.
>>540266072You maintain a file of AI slop featuring sweaty swoll pics of a decrepit old demented man, call others names, and you don’t think of yourself to be a little fucked in the head as well?
>>540254764M O O N heh
>>540265746Yes, focus on conspiracy theory and ignore those actively pulling the strings.
>>540266072Good luck with that.
>>540266083What is frustrating is that no one seems to care about how these corporations abuse the American tax payer and when asked to take a small hit they refuse when they are already making hand over fist. Take Nike for example selling $135 sneakers that cost them barely anything to make making record profits and all clothing companies are like this. There is no way you can tell me that we can't make sneakers in this country that go for like $100 maybe even less and give people a livable wage. We are past the "people won't pay for this shit if it's made in America" point because these kikes are so greedy it has been priced past that even with the cheap labor and production costs. When Nike ups that to $200 an average sneakers are we still going to pretend we can't make these in America?
>>540253882Trump told you China would pay. those retailers are fucking you with high pricespretending that "it's Trumps tariffs" orange man badfuck every one of those stores
>>540266573RED WAVE! You're toast troon, you will never win another election!
>>540263277>Concession I didn't concede shit. >By giving that money to defense contractors You mean like Biden? We're buying weapons to supply the Ukrainians and Israelis. We're buying a fuck ton so they'll win their wars. Why we need to pay for everyone's defense is another matter, but that shits bipartisan. >Biden/KAMALA Kamala wasn't president being the vice president means nothing. You don't have that many powers. How Biden ran things is no indication how Kamala would run things. That's just being retarded.
>>540256387A jew (((education))) company from Illinois sued; as to support for it>Democratic politicians supported the ruling, including Elizabeth Warren and Chuck Schumer.
not all tariffs are the samein the supreme court ruling that said trump had to do refunds, it also clarified which types of tariffs he could do and no judge could ever strike downso trump immediately put hose tariffs in placewhich is why the shills will only post refund receipts and not tariff receipts, because the latter dwarfs the former several times over
>>540253882thank scotus
>>540253882Trump would NEVER enrich his buddies at the expense of the average American. He LOVES Americans!
>>540253882They were ostensibly because trade deficits, then we began importing a ton of shit from all over (Malaysia, Vietnam, Korea, China, Mexico, etc.) to build data centers, increasing the trade deficit. The tariffs are actually just a sales tax on US consumers. >>540254054Or just move somewhere that isn't run by corrupt, craven retards
>>540253882You forgot the biggest beneficiaries.
Why don't you just start your own business? You know why? Because you don't have an idea that anyone finds valuable. You will always be a servant because that's what you deserve to be. Servants are born servants and masters are born masters. Throw any of those billionaires into a 3rd world country and they'll become a billionaire again. You were born with the winning lottery ticket of being born in the United States, the land of unlimited capitalistic opportunity and you squandered it posting on 4chan.
>>540253882This is what anti-American communists wanted. They wanted the tariffs overturned.
>>540253882https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/69d7ea95a65997dec59d0f36/69e6a8781864ae309e367c5d_638199_A_Users_Guide_to_Restructuring_the_Global_Trading_System.pdfThe original claim from the onset was that it would juice the dollar relative to the tariffed countries and that it would take years for that effect to work. I think we're far enough along to say that was bullshit, but the guy that wrote this bullshit and the assholes that keep pushing it won't be held accountable because you never read them and didn't even know this document existed.
Always were, retard.
>>540253882>tariffs wereTariffs are still in place. Only Trump's use of IEEPA as the legal pathway for tariffs was struck down. That affected only a portion of the tariffs and they were immediately switched to other legal avenues as that ruling was expected.
>>540254086No, it will be transferred from middle class White men to niggers and shitskins and wahmyns. And they will transfer a lot more shitskins into the country in order to create future leftist voters. No thanks. Trump is a faggot but he will always be better than leftists who want to "eradicate whiteness." Modern leftism is an invention of the kikes designed to trick idiots into giving jews authoritarian power.
>>540254086>just vote away capitalism broshitlib comedy
>>540267507>muh bidenits just nonstop derangement with you. it's impossible to have a conversation
>>540270851>>just vote away capitalism brotheres never going to happen in america dipshit, you are Elons retarded target audience. No wonder you are a chud
>>540254455>This. Remember how great things were under biden?Yeah. I almost got fired for not taking a vaccine. Fuck you.
>>540253882You guys got completely hosed.
I'd like to point out that despite the refunds and tariff being declared illegal, they are still in effect.
>>540253882Who is Billy?
i spent my doge check on ivermectin and trump watches
>>540270851Uh that's what he said?
>>540271105Thanks for making a deadly virus a normal part of life
