A shoe salesman could live in this house in the 1980s.https://x.com/seanmdav/status/2085087628374732910
>>540265569watching the show in the actual house would be so goddamned literal
No one has ever owned anything goyim, the past was not better, this is the best time to be alive because of slo-I mean food delivery and streaming!
>>540265569God I remember the 90s when a house like this was considered a white trash hovel.For those not familiar, this show:>Al Bundy was considered a poor white trash loser>He worked at a shoe store>Yet he had a wife, two kids, car, and afforded a house
>>540265569Wow, it's almost like television shows aren't grounded in reality, or something
>>540266046>He constantly complained about how bad his life was, how poor he was, and how little he owned>Every other episode was about him attending some convention or sports ball etc type shit that would cost $1,000+ just to be let in the door today
>>540265569>They were considered comically poor. I don't remember that, they were considered trailer trash that moved to suburbia, but I don't remember them being "comically poor."
>>540265569https://youtu.be/VwqspZA1lnc
>>540265569$700k is just €500k, a normal price for a home.
>>540265569
>>540266089It was reality. I was there.Me and my family ate beef/steaks for literally every meal in the 90s despite living in a trailer park and having minimum wage jobs.Ate bags of beef jerky 4x the size of the largest bags available today, and beef jerky was considered a cheap snack, a staple for homeless people, who would be seen eating it frequently.
>>540266089hello shit skin>>540266132What's the best explanation for the Simpsons producers making a show about the Fordist family in an age in which that same Fordist family is dissolving? That family hadn't dissolved on the screens (think of all the 80s sitcoms) yet. The Simpsons are a parody on the ideal which worked because that dissolution hadn't been publically recognized. The destruction of Fordism only became fully apparent, to the blind masses, in the 2000s, with Bush importing millions of foreigners and offshoring the last bits of industry to Asia/LatAm
>>540266132You’re an idiot who is completely wrongAlso, Al’s dissatisfaction was less about money than disappointment with his life
>>5402661891lb of potato chips was 50 cents
>>540266187He earned commission on what he sold
>>540266089fucking kike migger
>>540266215Much to the dismay of the uneducated, unwashed plebs, the US only prospered during its National Socialist period of FordismThe best periods of US was when it was unironically a National Socialist Fordist White Worker's state, which was dismantled in the 1970s:>closed borders>anti-immigration>domestic production (no offshoring)>90% wealth tax>non-profit healthcare (for-profit was ILLEGAL)>strong unions>New Deal social programs>universal employment>cheap shelter (new houses in major cities cost less than 2X median income)The US was a Fordist White welfare ethnostate that benefitted White workers' power (universal employment, unemployment benefit, free education).The National Socialist White Ethnostate established by Fordism was destroyed by Ford's archenemies as they dismantled borders and offshored White Fordist industries to shitskins and imported millions of shitskins starting in the 70s
>>540266187$6 dollars in '87 is like $18 today. gotta love inflation, making everybody rich
>>540265569That was part of the joke you dumb shitskin. Everyone knew a fucking shoe salesman couldnt afford that house in Chicago of all placed even back in the 80s.
>>540266344>$6 dollars in '87 is like $18 todayLmao no
>>540265569>import a trillion Mexicans>haha if they steal your job you’re just replaceable!>wages stagnate to oblivion because literally anything is better than Mexico>HEY WHAT GIVES WHERE’S MY MONEYI hate retarded leftists so fucking much.
>>540266187Yes, but Al Bundy was a local football hero who most likely would have had old team mate friends who could have been in the local banking industry. They would have had no problem floating him a mortgage working as a shoe salesman. That's how it works when you live in the same area you grew up in.
>>540266353hello shit skin>>540266189structural shift you are describing is one of the most significant transformations in modern financial history, moving the American economy from a wage-led growth model to a finance-led growth model.Here is a breakdown of how the transition from Fordism to Neoliberalism structurally engineered the modern stock market boom.Dismantling the Fordist Financial ModelThe Fordist era (roughly 1940s to 1970s) prioritized industrial production, high wages, and domestic manufacturing.Capital Retained, Not Marketed: Corporations primarily relied on retained earnings and bank loans to finance expansion, rather than equity markets.Repressed Stock Prices: High corporate tax rates, strict financial regulations (like Glass-Steagall), and strong labor unions kept a larger share of corporate revenue flowing to wages rather than shareholders.The "Bear Trap": The stock market remained relatively flat or stagnant for decades in real terms, particularly during the stagflation of the 1970s, because the financial system was not yet optimized to prioritize asset inflation.Engineering the Shift: 401(k)s and Institutional DemandThe transition to Neoliberalism in the late 1970s and 1980s fundamentally altered how capital flowed through the economy. The termination of traditional "defined-benefit" pensions in favor of "defined-contribution" plans (401k and IRA systems) served as the primary structural engine for the modern stock market
>>540266046And despite the actress being a jewess because ofc hollywood and she had connection, she portrayed the wife of Al Bundy who was a super hot milf.
>>540266442Interesting take on the subject, that I didn't consider. Hmmmm
JUST PULL YOURSELF BY THE BOOTSTRAPS, SONNY.GO GET A DIPLOMA.FIRM HANDSHAKE.
>>540266158In kike nigger land 2026, yes it’s completely normal just like cutting your child’s foreskin off. Anything the majority thinks is normal is normal by default amirite retardanon?
yea $500k to $750K depending on the population near the house is normal now
>>540266089Look what you've done, you broke the leftist daydream that TV isn't real.Don't tell them the Marvel movies are fiction or they'll have a stroke.
>>540265569The family was poor because of the bills and house payments.IDIOTS
>>540266323>>540266474>brought to you by schitzo chatbot
the house my boomer parents bought for $225,000 leafbux in 1991 sold for $1.4million syrup pesos 30 years later - its not that the cost increasing, in so much as the currency its being evaluated and measured in is decreasing
>>540266724None of them are old enough to have watched it, its just the latest leftist "gotcha".
>>540265569Easily a 2 million dollar home in Palo Alto Ca
>>540265569Too bad that the country wasn't overrun with shitworlders and there wasn't endless faggotcrat gib me dat programs that allowed large blocks of section 8 housing to take over neighborhoods that contributed to the overall disaster that is the housing market.
>>540266089TV shows are a reflection of reality and illustrate the times it was made in. Did you miss the part of the tweet that says the comedy came from how poor this quality of living looked? Surely you didn't tire out before reading two whole lines.
>>540265569DAMN...IT'S ALMOST AS IF...SOCIALISM AND MIGRANTS DIDN'T ENRICH OUR ECONOMIES OR SOMETHING...
>>540266724>>540266731hello shitskins>>540266878What the fuck happened to the Fordist future?Optimistic mid-century predictions about the Fordist future could easily come true if the West hadn't chosen globalism and send our industries overseas. Because White nations have regressed into liberal shitholes. The 3rd worlders that we waste all our time and energy on only care about McDonald’s and Made in China. US technology corporations got sabotaged -- then the oligarchs exported all our legacy technology manufacture to China and keep forcing the same shit down our throats as upgrading would reset the economy and the oligarchs can't have that. The future was in the past, it died with the murder of Fordism.
>>540266972Kys schizo
>>540267028lmao@immigrantshows of the Golden Age era (1940s-1990s) revolved around the Fordist lifestyle: Leave it to Beaver, Brady Bunch, the Jetsons, Flintsones, Simpsons, Happy Days, Love and Marriage, I Dream of Jeannie, Bewitched, ALF, Archie Bunker's Place, Back to the Future, Partridge Family, Dinosaurs, Wonder Years... all represented the common Fordist family of that era. What's the best explanation for the Simpsons producers making a show about the Fordist family in an age in which that same Fordist family is dissolving? That family hadn't dissolved on the screens (think of all the 80s sitcoms) yet. The Simpsons are a parody on the ideal which worked because that dissolution hadn't been publically recognized. The destruction of Fordism only became fully apparent, to the blind masses, in the 2000s, with Bush importing millions of foreigners and offshoring the last bits of industry to Asia/LatAm
>>540266158Why the "Bombed Out Europe" Myth PersistsThe idea that the US only prospered because its competitors were destroyed is a simplification. While the US did hold a massive share of global GDP immediately after 1945, its long-term post-war growth was actually sustained by rebuilding those foreign markets (via the Marshall Plan) so they could become wealthy trading partners, not by keeping them down.The boom ended globally in the 1970s when this domestic Fordist social contract broke down, replaced by globalization, automation, and the offshoring of industrial jobs.If you want to look deeper into this era, I can break down how the 1970s oil shocks ended this boom, compare the growth rates of the US vs. West Germany, or look at how housing policies differed between these countries
>>540265569The 2 story, 2 bath 3 bedroom my oldest brother bought back in 2013 for $54k, left me & my wife when he died in 2021, now zillow valued at $465k. Thankfully we have low property tax, last year's was only $375. But the fact that this place gained hat much fucking value in a relatively short time is insane.
Late college graduate hereTurned 30 when I graduated and lived with parents that year. Immediately started working at an office making $48,000 a year so save up to move out. Had a loans/collections I paid off in the mean time.At the end of one year, I had $14,000 in cash saved. The CHEAPEST single-family-residence in our town required a downpayment of $49,000...........($17,000 for a shit chance FHA loan if you had ok credit, which I didn't because you're absolutely broke and indebted after college)This might have to be the generation where many people just uproot their lives and families and start fresh somewhere far cheaper.
>>540266158Be a history poster on /biz/ or /his/Hear normies parrot the same old line: "USA only got rich because Europe was bombed to ash in WW2!"mfw they actually believe thisLook at actual historyIt wasn't a US monopoly, it was a global synchronization of absolute gainsEnter Fordism: the ultimate economic engineStep 1: Pay industrial wagies enough to actually buy the slop they produceStep 2: Watch domestic demand explodeStep 3: Infinite growth loop unlockedLook across the pond by 1955West Germany is literally undergoing the WirtschaftswunderAlready the second strongest economy on the planet while still clearing rubbleFrance enjoying Les Trente Glorieuses with comfy state-backed growthJapan rapidly re-specifying its tech tree into a manufacturing juggernautCanada and Australia building massive suburbs with high wages and dirt-cheap housingEven the USSR is flexing high GDP growth and launching satellitesThe reality?USA didn't get rich by keeping everyone else downUSA got rich by exporting the Fordist social contract and funding the Marshall PlanTurns out having wealthy trading partners makes everyone richerThe entire Western world was making it at the exact same timeFast forward to the 1970sOffshoring starts, supply shocks hit, Fordism diesBoom overNow we just have cheap plastic consumer goods and unaffordable housingImagine thinking one country carried the whole 1950s boomIf you want to keep cooking on this topic, I can format the next breakdown into a specific perspective. Would you like to see how the 1970s collapse happens in this style, a breakdown of why the USSR's version eventually failed, or how modern offshoring ruined the comfy wagie lifestyle?
>>540267224north Dakota?
>>540266353this, it's just like him having a hot wife who he didn't want to fuck. the show was satirical from the outset.
>>540266941But these younger generations would rather die than return to the days and polices of Ronald Reagan or earlier when people could live better. They would rather scream about racists of the past than try to accomplish anything similar they did.
>>540265569You retards forget it was a scripted show or something?
>redfin says house sold in 1998 for $320,000> with inflation $320,000 is now worth $655,000Seems about right
>>540265569I just looked it up. 4 bed, 2.5 bath, 2,189sqft, 0.23acre lot. Pretty good sized house. It's in Deerfield, Illinois. Is that a nice neighborhood? I guess cause it's so close to Chicago it's overpriced. Move away from the city and you could probably get a house that big for like $450k/$500k
>>540267224My grandma bought a house in the 70s for $60k and in 2024 I sold it for $600k. The housing market is crazy. Right before covid hit I'd be lucky to get $350
>>540267296Rural SE Kentucky. Older 2 story built in 1959, 5 acres. Value went through the roof cause of northerners fron new england migrating to southern rural Kentucky, northern Tennessee to escape high taxes. Zillow has it listed as worth so much because of similar house size selling right across the county line for tgat much, but Kentucky has kyr property tax fixed at rural low income levels because my wife's disabled, i only work part time. There's no way I'm going sale my house and the property taxes won't change anytime soon. So it's just tge way things are.
>>540267466>the policies of ReaganThe wealth will just trickle down bro. If we grant them amnesty they'll just turn American bro
>>540267689True. These older large houses you use to practically be able to get for free it seemed like cause no one wanted to live so far back in the mountains on back dirt roads. Now their values skyrocketing with the influx of people from new york, new jersey, virginia, ohio, etc
>>540265569>>540265712The joke was that Al Bundy could have never afforded such a house even back then. The entire premise is about how he leads an absurd life.
>>540266189Yeah this shit never happened, little zoomzoom. Beef was always a luxury. If you were on welfare you ate beans or maybe chicken if you got lucky.
>>540265569Housing market crash within 10 years unless they find the Fountain of Youth
>>540268024nah you could buy a condo in 2001 for like 100k. Same condo now is 400k. It's unrealistic levels of inflation.
>>540267466>the days and polices of Ronald ReaganWe started printing money unsustainably 2 decades before Reagan, it just hadn't caught up with us yet. His policies wouldn't do jack shit, nor would those of any other administration we've had since. This goes way way beyond left vs right
>>540266089>things were never good goy!
>>540266507Who fucked him all the time even if he didn't want to
>>540265569American economic prosperity was only because of abuse of brown people. The future is about equity and inclusion and whites will have to check their privileged as we head into a more equal world for all
>>540265569this is the simpsons house
God, you guys will bitch and argue about anything. It's a fucking x post about a fictional television family.
>>540265569Were actual shoe salesmen able to afford a house like that in the 80's? A fictional TV show doesn't mean anything on its own
IT’S SIMPLE, SUPPLY AND DEMAND. The day people stop buying these homes at an outrageous price is the day they drop. I drive people in their 80s and 90s and they all tell me that buying a house was akin to buying a car now. Like yeah, it was a bitch…but it was 100% possible. And if you could t afford a new one then you’d buy an old one CASH. Just like buying a car used to be almost free; sometimes FREE, if you were willing to work on it. They all tell me the same shit: “we just wouldn’t have put up with that.” But boomers are selling their homes to buy a whole other new home so they can just do it again in 30 years and move to a glamorous convalescent home. I don’t know what the solution is.
>>540266046>hollywood lies>TV cabala liesthe propaganda thru media since the age of film and TV (and newspapers before that) still isn't known by some anons?
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>>540268798Nobody was making any money off black people in the 80s except record producers, crack dealers and the prison system.
>>540268024Part of the show plot point is that they bought the house in the 70s shitty Chicago neighborhood that became gentrified. He was a poor asshole trying to keep up with his new rich neighbors and in financially crushing dept because of it.
>>540266089The Wire is. The most realistic TV show ever.
>>540268114Lol no, fat ghetto nigresses have existed for decades. What absolute nonsense.
>>540266731>they never call you a liar
>>540268798Maybe they should start abusing black people again so young people could afford homes
Conservative influencers definitely got the memo. >THE DSA IS WINNING EVERYWHERE! TALK ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE EVERYTHING IS, BUT *DONT* BLAME TRUMP!
>>540265569Import hundreds of millions of illegalsProperty prices go upJews use fiat currency to build more rentals, decreasing the dollar's value and increasing property prices further>Why is this happening?It's not an affordability crisis, it's an invasion crisis.
>>540265569That house is not 700k
>>540267240>This might have to be the generation where many people just uproot their lives and families and start fresh somewhere far cheaper.Those trying to leave will be hunted down. Forced back.
>>540266748That's nothing. Just saw a house that sold in 2021 for 400k go for 1.6 mil this month. And I'm in buttfuck nowhere.
>>540267689>My grandma bought a house in the 70s for $60k and in 2024 I sold it for $600k. The housing market is crazy. Right before covid hit I'd be lucky to get $350Also keep in mind that Married with Children first debut in 1987, when Kelly was like 15 years old and Bud was 13 or so? The Bundy's have been living in that house since the early 1970's. The neighbors Steve and Marcy moved in next door during the first episode of Married with children, and they had to pay a lot more for their house than the Bundy's. Because house inflation was happening back then too. Mary and Steve were both working at a Bank and had no kids. But I guess even in the 1970's on a mortgage that house would have cost $30-$50k and Al would have been wage slaving away for the rest of his life to pay it off.
>>540268727Yup, there's no group that hates Jewish people more than transgenders. They are the real modern day Nazi's. At least Trump understands is and is putting an end to their way of life for Israel.
>>540266187$18/ hour is barely over current minimum wage just for context
>>540265569TV isn't real life. I know, shocking!
>>540266433it literally is dumbass use an inflation calculator
>>540269846>3 cookies for a $1 when I visit NYC most bakeries charged anywhere from $5 -$8 per cookie
>>540265569You're bitching about that shitbox, but 100 years ago a guy who worked in overalls with a wife and four kids could afford this with nothing but a horse and plow and growing some wheat.
>>540266189>It was reality.No it wasn't. Which is why their neighbor, Marcy D'Arcy, was a high level executive at a bank with a trophy husband she could be a sugar momma for. A low level blue collar shoe salesman at the local mall has never lived in the same affluent neighborhood as a white collar high level banking executive making 10 times what he makes per year. TV isn't real life and never will be.
>>540266089That's the thing, it was reality. We have decayed significantly in 30 years.
My mom's old heroin dealer was in a band with the jewess who played Peg Bundy.
>>540265712I'm just now realising it's entirely possible to watch Frasier in Frasier's apartment but in VR.
>>540271754>TAKE THAT PIECE OF SHIT AND GET OFF MY STOOP
>>540266187Owning a dog wasn't expensive back then, the only 2 times you ever took them to the vet was to get neutered and to get put down.
>>540265569It's a comedy TV show you fucking idiots.
>>540271989*Also did any of you watch the show?They literally couldn't afford food.
>>540271933Why do have to constantly take your dog to the vet?
>>540265569You can own ithat exact same house in Syracuse NY for only $150k you guys are all bunker trannies https://www.zillow.com/syracuse-ny/
>>540272017>They literally couldn't afford food.Even if they could Peg would just ruin it with cigarette butts and band-aids.
>>540272017He also made commission and wasn't a wagie. Everytime he got a commission cheque they would joke how he insulted too many fat women that week and his commission was too low
>>540271754Victorian style houses are my favorite.
>>540271989>>540271768wrongfrom January 2000 to July 2006, starting with Bush NWO leader's Housing Bubble, home prices surged 900%Avg price of house around 1998 before globalisation and free-trade went full swing>$180k in NYC (boros)>$150k in Bay Area>$150k in LA>$120k in DC>$140k in Sydney>$120k in Melbourne>$140k in Toronto>$190k in Vancouver>£70k in LondonAvg price of house after 2004 massive free-trade/open-borders>$800k in NYC (boros)>$1m in Bay Area>$600k in LA>$500k in DC>$900k in Sydney>$700k in Melbourne>$600k in Toronto>$1m in Vancouver>£400k in London---------------------------------------------------------before free trade:>domestic production of goods>goods were affordable and of high quality>lowest cost of living>affordable housing (house costs only 2 times the annual salary)>90% whiteafter free trade:>homeless/opiod/suicide epidemic/white genocide>unemployment>highest cost of living>unaffordable housing (10-20 times the annual salary)>plummeting life expectance>shit quality products that kill you>millions of illegal shitskin locusts invading and killing whites
>>540272228>Avg price of house around 1998The Bundy house sold for $320k in 1998 you fucking know nothing idiot.https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/641-Castlewood-Ln_Deerfield_IL_60015_M87634-91660
>>540266158No, that's insanely expensive. I want to know how anyone affords that, let alone affords to buy several (landlords).
>>540272401>famous house sold for cheapI'll just leave this right here (note the cheap prices during the bubbles in the 70s/80s/90s):1975 $21k $654,463https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/126-W-Ave-31-90031/home/6945854Bought @ $24,000 (1976)https://www.redfin.com/CA/Escondido/903-N-Fig-St-92026/home/3955498Bought @ $35,700 (1976)https://www.redfin.com/CA/Escondido/1839-Pamela-Ln-92026/home/38782981992 $146,000 2018 $1,049,494https://www.redfin.com/CA/Milpitas/2242-Levin-St-95035/home/5535052000 $150,000https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/158-W-Ave-27-90031/home/69459441995 $150,000https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/1521-W-84th-Pl-90047/home/72927111995 $150,000https://www.redfin.com/CA/Sun-Valley/8340-Glenoaks-Blvd-91352/home/52701181998 $150,500https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/6001-Eucalyptus-Ln-90042/home/708401111/1/2000 Sold $201,500 7/20/2018 Price change $900,000shttps://www.zillow.com/homedetails/512-Gertrude-Ave-Aptos-CA-95003/16134819_zpid/2002 $235,000https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Marcos/1709-Rees-Rd-92069/home/39158541998 $153,500https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/2247-Crandall-Dr-92111/home/52262391999 $150,000https://www.redfin.com/CA/North-Hills/8840-Debra-Ave-91343/home/57479351995 $150k $802,453https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/4004-W-Ave-41-90065/home/70793292000 $150 $664,277https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angeles/158-W-Ave-27-90031/home/6945944Bought @ $25,000 (1996) Sold @ $387,320https://www.redfin.com/NV/Las-Vegas/8331-Lori-Marie-Cir-89149/home/29097735
>>540265569We say "shoe salesperson" now, faggot.
>>540272401Yep and due to inflation $320k in 1998 is $700k today.
>>540266089>t.spic anchor baby
>>540272401And the average wage for someone selling shoes in 1998 Chicago was less than $8/hr, grossing around $16,500 annually in base pay. Chicago offered 5% to 10% commission on merchandise sells, and Al wasn't exactly a top earner as he was always calling his customers fat asses. So, no, he couldn't afford that house. TV isn't real life and never will be.https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2000/Jul/wk3/art04.htm
>>540265569Yeah and Trump was this cool businessman in apprentice but IRL he's an orange piece of shit that can't stop sucking Jew dicks lol.
>>540271989>It's a comedy TV show you fucking idiots.Obviously, this. 'The Bundy's House' was really just a few seconds of stock footage that they would mostly show in the intro of the show and nowhere else. Fox Television never once filmed on location there. All sets were on a sound stage and they did film in front of a live studio audience 95% of the time. There are a few exceptions to this, like the episodes where they go to London. The show had like less than 10 sets total. The living room/ kitchen, the garage, the basement, Al and Peg's bedroom, the back yard, the shoe store a few other sets. The sets didn't even match up to the layout of the house they filmed.
>>540272791My Grandparents bought their first ~1500sqft house with cash while raising 3 kids on a single income from my Grandpa's job at a courrogated box factory...>>251029414>Grandpa purchased his home in 1965 for 20K>worked as a janitor>paid off the house in full in 5 years>same house today is worth over 1 million and is in bad shapeI blame the globohoboomers>>251027403I must have imagined my aunt buying a 3 bed home in Ontario california while being an assistant manager with full healthcare/retirement at the local grocery store.>>251026754I remember when you could live comfortably in a Southern California suburb on a single income. I remember it because that’s how I grew up>>251025927A worker in the US with a minimum wage job could buy a house with 8 months of his income in the major cities.Look at this numbershttp://www.thepeoplehistory.com/20s-homes.htmlhttps://fraser.stlouisfed.org/files/docs/publications/bls/bls_0302_1922.pdfAnd this numbers are from 1920 when it was less technological and production was lower and harder to do.>>251025519ask any boomer what percentage of their annual income their house cost them. The highest I have heard is 125%. Can you imagine how easy it was to make 50k a year household income and buy a 62k house?>>251025454my grandpa bought a 3 bedroom 2 bath house in a suburb in the 60s for $80,000 2018 dollarsthe same house is 1.5 million
>>540272895I remember when you could live comfortably in a Southern California suburb on a single income. I remember it because that’s how I grew up>>232756133A worker in the US with a minimum wage job could buy a house with 8 months of his income in the major cities.Look at this numbershttp://www.thepeoplehistory.com/20s-homes.htmlhttps://fraser.stlouisfed.org/files/docs/publications/bls/bls_0302_1922.pdfAnd this numbers are from 1920 when it was less technological and production was lower and harder to do.>>232756071Remember how your grandpa or maybe even your dad could work 40 hours a week and have a nice house, a new car every few years, yearly vacation? That lifestyle was stripped away so slaves in Asia could make and sell us cheap shit. Enjoy your never rising wages and ever increasing debt.>>232755984I must have imagined my aunt buying a 3 bed home in Ontario california while being an assistant manager with full healthcare/retirement at the local grocery store.>>232754816Before free trade/china/open borders, the economy was great, infrastructure was in good shape and middle class citizens could afford a house (2X avg salary in all cities), new car, clothes, the latest technology, etc.. with ease. Media was much more wholesome than it is now. I was a kid in the 80's and in high school late 90's- even then I'd noticed everything had started to suck in media and that people were struggling more financially... and I was still a brainwashed liberal kid back then>>232756719>Grandpa purchased his home in 1965 for 20K>worked as a janitor>paid off the house in full in 5 years>same house today is worth over 1 million and is in bad shapeI blame the free trade/globalism
>>540272596What does that have to do with the house from Married with Children? Furthermore, most of those are crackhouses in nigger infested neighborhoods.
>>540272943>My Grandparents bought their first ~1500sqft house with cash>paid off the house in full in 5 yearsAt least try. Come on now.
>>540273066The entire Phoenix/Vegas area used to be dirt cheap because the weather is almost unbearable 6 months of the year. People flocked there from other areas of the US almost exclusively because of the cheap prices. You could buy a brand new house in the west valley for $50k. Then bankers and immigration bubbles happened.>>217410975I must have imagined my aunt buying a 3 bed home in Ontario california while being an assistant manager with full healthcare/retirement at the local grocery store.>>217411023I grew up in the 80's in the SF Bay Area. Believe it or not it was white. It was like heaven on earthSeriously, the worst problem we had was Heavy Metal gangs. Groups of high school metal heads carrying occasionally fighting in the alleyways after school. There were no injuriesThe worst dregs of society were long haired white dudes in vans smoking weed in a parking lotIt was so peaceful and everyone shared the same culturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fgV0JaBU0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKP1V-SILghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oX-z4iV4uM>>217411070Back in the Golden Age White America, those "shit jobs" are what 99% of the population used to be able to afford a house and a family onwith one income earner per house hold also>>217411211In the 1950s, my grandfather was offered to partner in on a purchase of 3000 acres of what is now Brea California. I think it would’ve cost him like 10 grand. Now that would be worth tens of millions. Now imagine the people who owned tens of thousands of acres of sought after areas that exploded in the 60s 70s and 80s. I once knew a guy in Tulsa Oklahoma who his great grandfather owned a few hundred acres in the Rich area of town. He sold it to a developer for $20 million and It became a high-end golf course. Grandkids got rich over grandpas simple existence.>>2174112502017:The average family income: $48,000The average car cost: $30,000The median home price: $480,000
shitskin paws typed this >>540273066 >>540273145
>>540273153>The entire Phoenix/Vegas area used to be dirt cheap because the weather is almost unbearable 6 months of the year. People flocked there from other areas of the US almost exclusively because of the cheap prices. You could buy a brand new house in the west valley for $50k. Then bankers and immigration bubbles happened.I'll ask again: What does that have to do with the house from Married with Children, located in suburban Chicago?
>>540273204Guaranteed I'm Whiter that you. I also make more money than you. How did ole gramps pay for his house in cash, and then still have to pay the bank for 5 years to own it? Your math isn't mathin'
>>540273256Before free trade/china/open borders, the economy was great, infrastructure was in good shape and middle class citizens could afford a house (2X avg salary in all cities), new car, clothes, the latest technology, etc.. with ease. Media was much more wholesome than it is now. I was a kid in the 80's and in high school late 90's- even then I'd noticed everything had started to suck in media and that people were struggling more financially... and I was still a brainwashed liberal kid back then.>>208627550I must have imagined my aunt buying a 3 bed home in Ontario california while being an assistant manager with full healthcare/retirement at the local grocery store.>>208627584Most new houses in the U.S being built today are china-tier anyway. Shit, a lot of the multi-million dollar mansions that have been built in the last 10 years in the U.S are china-tier.>>208627521>>208627881WRONGIn 1971, you could buy a new Ford F-150 for $2,500. At $4 an hour, it took 625 hours to buy the truck. Today’s model costs $30,000, and the average hourly wage is $26. So the wage earner has to work for 1,154 hours to get a standard F-150. Put another way, he has to sell almost twice as much of his time to get a set of wheels.You can do the same calculation for housing. An average man paid about $24,000 for the average house in 1971. Today, he pays $371,000. Priced in time, the house cost 6,000 hours in 1971 and 14,269 hours today.
>>540273153>In the 1950s, my grandfather was offered to partner in on a purchase of 3000 acres of what is now Brea California. I think it would’ve cost him like 10 grand. Now that would be worth tens of millionsOle pawpaw couldn't scrape together 10 grand to buy 3000 acres? Hell, the way you talk he could've made that in a month at his janitor job. Anyone with a double digit IQ would've seen that land would turn them into millionaires later in life. So, are you telling me ole pawpaw was a retard, or that in reality, $10k was a shitload of money for a blue collar worker to come up with in the '50s? I'm going with the latter.
>>540265569Back then you could still shoot niggers and no one cared. PC liberal bullshit.
>>540273465Before free trade (open borders), My boss, graduated STEM in mid-late 80s. His starting salary was 45k.Today it is the same. Yet price of everything has surged 9000%.He bought a house in LA for $70K the same year he started work.He bought US-made Commodore computer back then for $700he could buy a brand new car and pay it off in 2-3 months. He'd buy a new one every year for work because they were so cheap>>208036953Back in the Golden Age White America, those "shit jobs" are what 99% of the population used to be able to afford a house and a family on.with one income earner per house hold also>>208038472the interesting thing is that the majority of programmers from the 60s to the 90s did not have a degree. They either went to a vocational school or on-the-job training. And they were US citizens.but that doesn't depress wages like importing boatfulls of niggers who also support the kike educational establishment.>>208038514Before free trade/china/open borders, the economy was great, infrastructure was in good shape and middle class citizens could afford a house (2X avg salary in all cities), new car, clothes, the latest technology, etc.. with ease. Media was much more wholesome than it is now. I was a kid in the 80's and in high school late 90's- even then I'd noticed everything had started to suck in media and that people were struggling more financially>>208038771I must have imagined my aunt buying a 3 bed home in Ontario california while being an assistant manager with full healthcare/retirement at the local grocery store.>>208039212Remember how your grandpa or maybe even your dad could work 40 hours a week and have a nice house, a new car every few years, yearly vacation? That lifestyle was stripped away so slaves in Asia could make and sell us cheap shit. Enjoy your never rising wages and ever increasing debt
>Zoomers are so retarded that they think a TV show was an accurate portrayal of the time
>>540273360>In 1971, you could buy a new Ford F-150 for $2,500.No you couldn't as F-150s didn't even exist then. I'm a autist for classic American cars, so I know for a fact they didn't exist. I'll own a 69 Boss 429 one day.
>>540268024he was constantly in debt too. I think in one episode he had just paid off his dodge he's owned for 20 years and I think in another he said his house would be paid off in 2076 or something and he got his pay docked to satisfy property damage and all they could get out of him was $2 a month.
>>540273543>Before free trade (open borders)Hey, you're not going to get an argument out of me in favor of free trade; I think we need to go back to Hamiltonian economics, but, I'm also not going to let you blow smoke up my and others asses. >My boss, graduated STEM in mid-late 80s.In what? From where? >His starting salary was 45k.Where?
>>540265569>How was your date, snuckum?>Oh fine, fine. Just me cruising around, listening to the Oldies station at 1500 Watts. Made a lot of new friends. Take, uh, Officer Lewis for example. Unfortunately I couldn't hear his siren at first, but luckily police cars are now equipped with rammers, that gently eased me into the rail. Luckily the cop liked oldies, so he beat me with his nightstick to the tune of "Hey Jude". Then he wrote me up 18 tickets; including the one for bleeding on his pad. How was your day?
>>540273624>>540273742My Grandparents bought their first ~1500sqft house with cash while raising 3 kids on a single income from my Grandpa's job at a courrogated box factoryThey could also buy a house with about a years wages working as a newspaper boy>>208039966my grandpa bought a 3 bedroom 2 bath house in a suburb in the 60s for $80,000 2018 dollarsthe same house is 1.5 million>>208040050ask any boomer what percentage of their annual income their house cost them. The highest I have heard is 125%. Can you imagine how easy it was to make 50k a year household income and buy a 62k house?>>208040124The silent generation has spent more years in retirement than they worked enjoying generous defined benefit pension planssilent generation, worked very little and have a big house>>208047111US also had a much lower cost of living and much higher quality of life before free trade/NAFTA/China/immigrationBay Area, LA, San Diego, NYC used to all be working class blue collar white cities. The houses in these cities were priced at 2X the average annual salary.It took a blue collar worker only 2 years income to afford a house in cities that are now out of reach for even white collar earning 6 figures.Also, products were much cheaper and of higher quality before free trade.china/immigration/Free trade raped the west>>208045529how could these retards even shill for free trade after 3 decades of irreparable damage that sunk a 1st world country into 3rd world hellscape?do these ivory tower retards have a basic understanding of economy, where the supply of gas skyrocketed from $1/gallon to $4 due to America birthing China's rise in global trade?The escalation of oil prices led to all costs (food, transport, goods) increasing dramatically etcThis is one simple example where China's participation in global trade increased the cost of basic products, not to mention the effects of locusts on global housing bubblehow can these yids continue to spout their bs
>>540269506Correct. That's why his neighbors are all snooty WASPs in blazers and boat shoes. But my point still stands: his lifestyle, as depicted, is literally not affordable. The entire family was completely out of place. It's like pointing to Uncle Phil and saying "see? this was the typical black experience in the 90s"
>>540265569>TV propaganda to placate the amerikan poor doesn’t represent reality 50 years laterwow that’s really weird
>>540265569I own like the same house and it's hanging out at 380k but im in Florida and you can go fuck yourself
>>540269603they got fat from soda, chips, and sweets. they didn't get fat from steak. it was expensive as fuck even back then. the average family could only afford beef cuts once a week for Sunday dinner at best, and the occasional hamburger cookout.
>>540273759Yeah, I've had dogs since I was 3 and never had to take the to the vet more than a couple of times. They all lived well into the double digit ages just fine. I've never understood the retards that take their dogs to the vet constantly and then they die at like 8 years old due to all the toxic bullshit the vet gives them.
We have almost the same prices of Seattle here.1991 my parents bought a 5b 2.5ba suburban home for 190k when I was born.It's now worth 1.2m so has increased in value 33,000 or so per year which is insanely expensive but the west coast is flooded with chink money
>>540273906>t. dog fucker
>>540274057ur lying America was always expensive and brown/yellow
>>540273906I always laugh when neighbors or coworkers tell me about all the money they spend for vets. Like what type of goyslop are you feeding your pets that they are constantly shitting themselves or developing cancer.
>>540265569The point of housing being too fucking expensive is true but this isn't a good example because celebrity/TV homes have retards who will overpay for them. The Breaking bad house was way overvalued but still sold 800,000 more than market rate.
>>540265569The only way to get it to stop is to hit, impoverish and shame the profiteers, national socialist style. The more leveraged, the deeper the fist of justice. Anyone here could do what the real estate money grubbers are doing, but you don't, because you realize a society where everyone aimed to do that wouldn't function. Unironically tyranny would solve this.
>>540266433Shadow stats on Tom’s inflation calculator are bullshit. According to that I was the equivalent of a millionaire today working at a grocery store in the early 00s
>>540269179> I don’t know what the solution is.Neither do I. I have no power to make the required changes. Trump was supposed to close the border and he betrayed us for his Zionist funders.
>>540274150if you have a dog at all you might as well watch niggerball and root for your favorite team of niggers you dog cucks. >you know what this home needs? a barking, annoying, ugly, stinking shit factory. >lets just get a furry jeet that walks on all 4s and barks, basically. or we can get the nigger version that is an added walling liability that can maul someone because he sneezed at the wrong time. dogs are for RETARDS
>>540268024After season one, the show gave up any pretense of portraying a realistic family life and became a full blown farcical sitcom. Which at the time anyway was kind of refreshing, but looking back it was pure degeneracy jewish mind virus bullshit. Still it was a nice juxtaposition to the Cosby Show, but unlike MWC, Roseanne was an example of a poor working class family actually based in reality (until the last retarded season). How much is their shitty house going for, because that would be a better example.But MWC was full of ridiculous jokes like Kelly and Bud fighting over "toaster leav'ens" for example. The Bundy house is a poor example for what he's trying to get across with the price of homes, because Al wouldn't have been able to afford that house even back then in 1987 on his retail salary, especially with freeloading Peggy spending all his money.
>>540275103None of your reactionary niggerbabble applies to me because I train my dog, keep it in a kennel and never let it inside the house.Who does your retarded ass take me for?Some type of dogfucking white foid?
>>540275188Wasn't he the store manager? People managing a shoe store in the early 1990s could easily afford a home almost exactly like Al's here.
>>540275103Shut it, Abdul. I'd shoot you in your inbred face and let my dog eat your throat out. You only hate dogs because one barked at your pedo prophet Mohammad's gay lover. KEK.
>>540266189MWC was a farcial comedy that was even less realistic than other shows where everything worked out in the end and the family was supportive of each other and the parents and children were successes at life.You're describing a kind of "reality" portrayed by Roseanne. I remember when they'd be in the kitchen doing a scene while Roseanne was doing those boil in a bag crap meat and gravy bags that you'd dump on toast and nothing was even said about it, she was just making dinner while talking about whatever the episode was about.
>>540268114>always a luxuryRope yourself you lying whore, some of us fucking lived that era
>>540265569Immigrants = higher prices = lower wages = happy Socialist jews.
>>540265569So what? All your work is being sold away via currency manipulation. You'll own nothing because you're all too pussy to take what's yours. Women and property. You'll have neither. Just suffer because you won't violently take what's yours by birthright
>>540275421it's invader shit skins who shill revisionist shit to turd-worldify American history to psyop whites to think we were always a turd world shithole
>>540275421this, fuck ground beef has doubled in like the last 6 years alone. In the 90s you didn't even think that much about food costs. College bars had giant cheap beers for like $2 at happy hour, mine had a giant quart mug of Guinness for $5.
>>540265569In Italy, we have a comedy from that time too called "Fantozzi" with many movies really; the protagonist, Fantozzi, is a comically underpaid and abused wageslave. It was meant to be a satire for the time; today, if you get what Fantozzi had in the show, you are considered well off.is not just amurica
>>540275325There is no canon within the tv show that portrays him as the manager, though there doesn't seem to be a manager as "Gary" is only portrayed as the owner.Letting Al hold the title of manager would have given the character too much dignity. So instead it seemed to be implied that he was just another low level retail employee and failure at life.
I didn't want to read all the thread so sorry-not-sorry if this was said already:- The Bundy family lived in Chicagoland, and the price is obviously jacked up because of the TV show fame, so double whammy right there.- TV shows do not reflect reality. King of Queens, Malcolm in the Middle, The Simpsons, any sitcom all show idiots living in mansions. - If you give up shopping for a home because of one fantastical dud, you get what you fucking deserve!
>>540265569MWC was a show about poop, dick, and booba jokes. Do the goyim really think what they watched on the electric jew was a time capsule
>>540265569Could also be expensive... because its the Al Bundy house
>>540266046My dad was a maintenance worker in the 90s and afforded all that, so...
>>540265569People don’t believe me when I said a manager at McDonalds could enjoy a middle class life and support an entire family with a house and yearly vacations and shit
>>540266442That's something people don't realize. Boomers didn't have to deal with credit scores when they got their first houses because credit scores didn't even exist. They got a mortgage by going down to the local bank and giving the manager a firm handshake. As long as they were known in the community and had a steady job they could get something.
>>540275387>Roseannegod i hate that showthat Goodman jew was the most blobby fatass on TVall those sitcoms fuckin suck so badit's simply the worst shit
>>540266474>Fordism to Neoliberalism structurally engineered the modern stock market boommuh neoliberalism lmao. the core major differences are the lack of unions and federalreserve private company and the rest of wallstreet getting bailed out numerous times when they make bets with money they did not have with derivatives. one of the most recent examples 2019 q4 reverse repos trillion dollar loans at zero interest. the biggest ponzi wealth transfer in the last fifty years. man in the middle brokers trading on dark pools where your 401k and ira dont even hit active markets but are traded on an IOU ledger. your trades never hit the market. then these same financial entities have members serving inside regulatory goverment agencies passing more and more laws that steal from the country they reside in and break every possible law.
>>540266731Shitskins
>>540265569>what is growing commute times>what is gentrificationNO NO NO IM MIDDLE CLASS! MAMMY AND DADDY LIVE SOMEWHERE NICE I DESERVE TO GET THAT STRAIGHT AWAY!!!You are as soft as a baby.
Wasn’t Al a Freemason? I remember no ma’am, but I don’t remember ever them mentioning a lodge.I do remember John Goodman on Roseanne was a member of a lodge, so that must make him a member of a secret society.
>>540265569What if the house value is actually the same and the dollar simply lost it's value?
>>540267689my great grandfather built a simple 3 bed house for $10k a mile from the beach in butt fuck nowhere on an unsealed road in mid 1970s with no urban sewer. he had no next door neighbors. the land cost him $2k. today its worth $4million because its in a rich assholes wealthy paradise full of huge fuck off mansions. But note that back when he built it $10K was his annual wage. It wasn't even his main residence either which was a few hours drive away
>>540265569I feel like this is similar to the Homer Simpson argument. Isn't part of the joke that he can't really afford to live like that? In the episode where they win a bunch of money the wife says: "I can finally write a check with today's date on it!"Implying they're living far beyond what they can afford.
>>540275188Peggy pulled in hard cash at the stripclub but you don't get to watch those episodes because of the goddamn FCC.
>>540265804My grandfather was a truck driver after WW2, owned 3 houses bought his wife and kids all their own cars on top of his cars. My father was a shelf stocker in 1980, he bought a 4 bedroom 2 bathroom 3 living room 2 car garage with massive front and backyards and pool, all by the time he was 20, my grandpa helped cosign and then my father paid it off after i was born a few years later. He to this day brags about buying cars and selling them left and right.Oh and this is in Los Angeles. He still has the house and has 2 others my grandfather left him. He pays 100 bucks a month on the house and it's worth a mil easily if he sold it, and it's nothing special, built in like 1940. A smaller house next door was listed for not even a week and went for 800k the asking price.And let us not forget; let me be clear; here are the facts; i'll be honest; i will say this; fuck googles fuck skypes fuck trannies.
>>540266323Havent US unions always been shit and retarded corrupt especially pre-90s?
>>540267466Reagan/Thatcher 80s Neo Liberalism is what caused mess we live in today. We are living in the outcome of their policies.
>>540285401>He pays 100 bucks a month on the house and it's worth a mil easily if he sold it, and it's nothing special, built in like 1940.Lying ass nigger. Prop 13 ran out in Los Angeles so now property taxes are going way up.t. actually own a house.
loved that show, it was before the politically incorrect era. Peggie was my go to, bitch look like a jewish witch
>>540269846Based. For over 15 years now i've been telling friends i ain't eating at places that got rid of the dollar menu. No dollar menu, no dollar.>>540275498>30sMy parents and grandparents and their grandparents all did it in their 20s.
>>540285775Don't (you) me nigger.t. actually own houses.
>>540285883She definitely looked like the type to suck the soul out of you, both literally and figurativelyNo wonder Al was depressed and tired all the time
>>540266046>and a loyal but also cynical dog
>>540286152i jerked off more to Peggy than Kelly. i think i only jerked it to Kelly like 3 times, two of those times was because she looked like a girl i was dating and i just decided to keep jerking it to Kelly.>>540286192The dog voice shit was hit or miss. Still cool to have it instead of not.
>>540265569Iconic TV houses are collectible The famous Brady Bunch house in Studio City, California, sold for $3.2 millionhouse used for Malcolm in the Middle, located at 12334 Cantura Street in Studio City, California, sold for $2,800,000The famous Breaking Bad house in Albuquerque, New Mexico, sold for $1.3 millionThe iconic San Francisco Victorian house featured in the opening credits of the 1980s/90s TV show Full House sold for $6 million
>>540285675Reagan was a b-grade actor and Thatcher was an ultra conservative housewife. They were just souless puppets and so is Drumph. Just a face to the backroom controllers whims. Neither were political genius and were simply used by the Multinational Corporations and Finance kikes to get their bidding done.
>>540285675Thatcher, that whore destroyed your military. Reagan got shot in the chest 11 days after inauguration in 1981, VP Bush was immediately sworn in as President acted as President 3 terms, then he installed Bill Clinton, then His son GW and then his boy Obama.
>>540265569ah my blue pilled days when i used to love this degeneracy, anti-maternalism, white loserism psyop of two jewish-negroid showrunners.
>>540267689My grandma bought a house in the late 40's using the pocket change she'd steal from my grandfather who worked as a waiter and had a gambling habit, wasting most of his wage at it, within 5 years she had enough savings for it.
In the past if you worked two jobs you could stack huge amounts of cash, get rich and start a company.I would say you can probably still stack cash EXCEPT every job I've applied to is either not actually hiring (office jobs making 29 an hour) or nigger slave shit like delivery that fires you after one mistake.
>>540275421The US would fall apart tomorrow if people werent constantly being gaslighted.
>>540266634>owning a house in a white neighborhood is a leftist daydreamBoomers like you are going to be killed and you're going to scream on /pol/ how unfair it is that all this is happening to you
>>540286606>ah my blue pilled days when i used to love this degeneracy, anti-maternalism, white loserism psyop of two jewish-negroid showrunners.i always hated that shit, but everyone around me seemingly loved iti remember my friend at school ate all that shit upworshipped sitcom faggotrymade no god damn sense it's not even funny most of the timejust forced laugh track creepy shit
>>540265569Ok, but how much of that price is THIS IS THE AL BUNDY HOUSE FROM THE AL BUNDY SHOW WHERE AL BUNDY'D HIS ALS ?Cause faggots pay a premium for REMEMBER TV SHOW!?!!!!!?!?!?!?????!?!?!?!?!?
>>540286871My sister's fiance sold some of his star wars collectables for the down payment on their $400K house
>>540265569>This house in the Simpsons was affordable on a single wage!Shut the fuck up. It's fiction.
Married with Children is underrated. So many hot chicks and funny bits that have never really been duplicated. Al’s facial expressions are fucking hilarious. Absolutely classic, and yes, even back then it was kind of a joke that they had a decent house, everyone knew that wasn’t happening
>>540266433What it's like being a dumb nigger whose niggerish dumbness is constantly exposed as dumb niggery by people posting RAYCIS FAKS N SHEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIITHow would you feel if you didn't have inflation calculator this morning.
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>>540266565>flushes toilet>crowd goes wild
