>>540277873>no historywhat is chernobyl
>>540277943Soviet history nigger
>>540277873Ethnostate doesn't need a justification to exist, mutt
>>540278023Hahaha a turkified nigger cattle is an ethnostate
>>540277873learn to google, retard.
>>540278081>ukraine>rich historyHahahahahhaChat Jewpt
>>540278081>Kievan RusFirst while are they "Rus" if they arent RussianSecondWhy "Kievan" if its "Kyyiuvvv"
>>5402781435 times longer and more interesting history than USA and 2 times longer than Russia, retard.
>>540278173Rus is stolen name from ukrainians, they had it first, retard.
>>540277873>Russia has spent over $200 billion directly, with total economic costs exceeding $300 billion. The odds of a decisive victory are low; the conflict remains a grinding war of attrition. Analysts predict a prolonged stalemate or negotiated settlement rather than a total military win for either siderusslims lost
>>540277873Nice cope. They are what muscovites try to be. Case in point. The dance that everyone associates with muscovites, the hopak, was invented by the Ukrainian Zaporozhian Cossack.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQlJ6hWhqdYThe different colors of costumes seen here, each represent a different region of Ukrainehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y91l086Ggw&t=335sAnd NONE of it has anything to do with muscovites. The muscovites were shipped in only starting in the 1870s, when the British developed the donbas. And, even up until to day, the muscovites are just city dwellers. They aren't the people of the land.Kyiv is is 665 years older than moscow. The Ukrainian church is 500 years older than the muscovite one. The Ukrainian language is older than the muscovite language. The Ukrainian folk culture is superior to the immitations of the muscovites.
>>540278203Absolute facts. Kyiv is 665 years older than moscow. As stated here>>540278450That burger is just a retard that watched too many RT youtube vids and got remotely PSYOPed with kremlin produced glowie propaganda.
>>540277873The Kievan Rus predates Muscovy.
>>540278173So the muscovites who live 100s of miles away from Kyiv are the real Kyivians, not the ones who. actually live there? Wow, you're coping hard. They are the real Russians. Muscovites are the frauds. Moscow is 665 years younger than Kyiv, see here>>540278450Moscow tried to ban the Kyivian Rus from using their own language already back in 1710. See picrel. The muscovites' whole history is a fraud. Muscovites are finno ugaric-kadyrovitic-slavo-mongloidish mutts.These are Kyivian Rushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y91l086Ggw&t=335sThat's what the muscovites copy and WISH they could be. They don't have the swagger.
>>540278755Where was ukraine in the napoleon wars? Whete was ukraine in the treaty of Paris? I mean its supposed to be a real state right?
Ukraine is weak. It's a road apple.
>>540278755>Moscow is 665 years younger than KievMoscow and Vladimir survived, unlike Kiev which was literally reduced to ruins in 13th century. Modern Kiev has nothing in common with old Kiev except its name, it was built entirely by Russian Empire.>Rus>1710By that time the entire territory of Kievan Rus had changed hands many times and had simply been destroyed, with most of its population having been replaced by a mix of Poles, Turks, and Mongols.The problem with “Ukraine = Real Russia” bullshit is that there's no continuity here. It literally disappeared from existence for many centuries, while their culture and population changed beyond recognition. The only argument here is “well Kiev was the center of Russia at one point” which completely ignores the entire context.Unlike Russia where you can draw a straight line from Ladoga and Novgorod to modern-day Moscow. The fact that Moscow is Russian doesn't even raise a question among reasonable people, because Moscow was literally built by Alexander Nevsky's son, you simply can't get any more legitimate than that.It's like arguing that any European country isn't really itself because of some division of land among children in the 15th century.
>let me tell you about your country
>>540277873Ukraine invented the first pizza in Aratta (Ukraine) 15,000 years ago. Taras the Tasty was a proto-Ukrainian born in the thick reeds of the Pontic-Caspian steppe. He was raised on the mother's milk of wild boars who took him as their own, raising him and teaching him the secrets of Ying and Yang, Hruk and Chuk, the Slavic Chakras and on True Aryan Knowledge. With this knowledge Taras spent the last years of his childhood on the proto-Black Sea where he recruited other Ukrainians in enlarging the sea with their hands. Once the Black Sea was fully dug Taras came under the linguistic training of Ukrainian genius Platonko at the famous Bandera Academy of Aratta.Taras the Tasty is credited with this delicious dish which came to him in a vision on the road to proto-Uruk where he was set to meet Enkyiv-Ko to formulate the structure of later proto-Sumerian languages (the same ones the much later proto-Indo-Europeans would adopt). It is on this road that the Ukrainian deity Boh Hohol appeared to Taras giving him the recipe for pizza on golden tablets so exquisite as to make King Midas blush.Upon the completion of his foundational linguistic work in proto-Uruk and upon his return to ancient Kyiv, Taras consulted the golden tablets and baked what we know was the world's first "pizza" -- only then it was called "pizda." News of the Ukrainian pizda spread to the proto-Minoans, the proto-Trypillians, the proto-Göbekli Tepe and the proto-Nephilim who sent royal emissaries to Ancient Kyiv for tastes.This was confirmed in the oldest Rigvedas, the proto-Code of Ur-Nammu and by Hitler's archaeologists who unearthed a giant proto-pizda in Kyiv which bore a Ukrainian trident made of salted pig fat. Dr. Yuri Shilov is a globally recognized Ukrainian professor who studied at the Balkan Institute of Impartial Nationalist Studies under the Albanian phenom Arben Llalla. Shilov now heads the Ukrainian Academy of Original Ideas and has confirmed these shocking but true facts
>>540277873i would say ukraine had a richer and longer history than israhell and muchicanistan together
It's the end of history for Russia and only the beginning for Ukraine.
>>540278521Ukraine didn't existed when Kiev was created, retarded muttnigger
always the american flag
Says the American. Ukrainian language existed when your country was a stone age shithole.
>>540277873Funny part is that by denying history of Ukraine you deny existence of Russia
Russian scum will pay for their crimes.Ignorant American idiots like op? There is no treatment for these cum guzzling propaganda chuggers.
Why did the soviets give them more territory? The same territory they're fighting for today
>>540278081Notice how its called Kievan rus not Kievan ukrainian
Ukraine AS A REGION is fascinating due to the fact it was a borderlands and convergence of so many civilisations and people, but you can basically never talk about it online anymore because of all the NAFO Slava Ukraini types basically being Finno-Korean hyperwar tier retards have to pretend there was some continuos Ukrainian people and Civilization there forever, that were simply "Colonized" by the Russians during the Russian Revolution. The Ukrainians want to LARP as the Balts, and the Balts genuinely were pretty much Colonized by Polish, Germans, Ashkenazi, Swedish and Russians, and there is a pretty straight line between Balts of 2000 years ago and Balts today, but Ukraine has always been a shifting borderlands of people, civilizations, cultures and it's pretty clear at least in my opinion, that Modern Ukrainian identity is one that is extremely, modern, and modern Ukrainians are actually probably best described as a "Post-Soviet" people. This is what makes the Decommunization laws very funny imo, because basically all of Ukrainian living national culture and identity pre-2014 was Soviet. They basically made their own national history and culture illegal because they want to larp as the Balts.
t. Pedro Fernandez
>>540284356Ukrainian the official language is a constructed language that basically first begins with Taras Shevchenko in the mid to late 19th century.Before that people spoke basically local mixed dialects of regional languages. Again a good example of how Ukraine was actually a borderlands/melting pot of shifting cultures and people.
>>540277873Older than USA
>>540277873>gibs massive state with tons of resource>with a lot of soviet infrastructure>all debt is forgiven, an exceptionally rare clean slate for a country>went to IMF for loan less than 4 years later
>British colony from 17th century with 400 years of historyvs>Eastern European medieval kingdom from 10th century with 1000 years of historyYeah I think Ukraine has more history than you freemason mutts.
>>540277873but enough about the US of A.
>>540277873They had history but then decommunized and declared pretty much all of their culture as "without value"It's pretty funny>The 2015 Ukrainian decommunization laws ban the use of Ostrovsky's name for the naming of public places.[2] Hence Kyiv's Ostrovsky Park was renamed Mykola Zerov Park in 2020.[3]>A monument to Ostrovsky in Shepetivka was dismantled in December 2022 after the Ukrainian Ministry of Culture and Information Policy had removed it from its list of "monumental art of local significance".[4]That's what they did to their previously most famous writer
>>540284728That isn't true. But even if it was why do retard ziggers believe ukraine not being real would be a justification to invade it? >hurrdurr ukraine wasn't on maps 150 years ago we need to kill everyone thereNobody has ever been convinced murdering Ukrainians is good because of that.
>>540284780They also kept stealing Russian gas for years despite being able to buy it at a symbolic price.The first judeogypsy state.
>>540284218>Implying that Ukraine didn't have history beforehand
>>540277873SO Pussia is losing against a country that doesn't EVEN exists? sad!
>>540284728Which was basically the case anywhere in centuries prior. Do you really believe that people in France, Poland or Great Britain spoke the exact same in the 1600s?Having regional dialects morphing into a national language is the historical norm. France had complete different language in Bretagne, Elsass or Occitanie before the French language was standardized. Ukraine was just a bit late
>be rusling cuck loser>another russian refinery bombed by Ukraine this morning, still burning as you read this>turn on US VPN>make angry thread on /pol/ hoping it will somehow unbomb the refinery and restore Russia's reputation to pre 2022 levels>it didn't workSuch is the life of a cuck loser aka OP.
>>540277873That's not the US flag
>>540277873seethe, vpnnigger
>>540278241>stolen nameThey are Russian just like Novgorodians and Muscovites are Russian.
>>540278241You cannot "steal" a name , nafotranny. It's a self identification spanning centuries used by millions of people and multiple generations.Saying that the people in the east that were of Rus origin "stole" something because a meme state created by Lenin 1000 years later claims in their historiography that another city of the same Rus people was "theirs", but actually hates everything Rus-sian including the language "Old Russian", the history of Rus, and identifies more with westerners (openly hostile to the Rus) is just demented propaganda cattle headcanon
Soooo.. kind of like usa or current germany?
>>540287561Lol, nice vpn take xd butthurt russian diaspora is worse than kikes
>>540277943What is holodomyirv
>>540278081Don’t see no rus in the word ukraine
>>540287561You know that the first mordern independent Ukrainian state existed in 1917?Scheiß Ossi
>>540278755they're not muscovites, they're russians, you retard
>>540284936It is true.>But even if it was why do retard ziggers believe ukraine not being real would be a justification to invade it? I was just stating the fact that English and the US has been around lot longer than the "Ukrainian language".>>540284901This is one of the things that really shows the modern Ukrainian Government is purely driven by insane historical revisionism rather than dealing with actual reality and it's wild watching all the NAFO/Redditors cheer it on because "fuck tankies" or some shit. Imagine if like Trump came in, he then banned the Democratic Party and declared it illegal to like or celebrate any bit of US culture between FDR to Obama, and instead you have to worship some alt-history meme state where the Business Plot was successful.
>>540287561No lies detected.
>>540286967Sure, but Ukrainian is not older than the US, and the language itself basically didn't even become the primary spoken language used in day to day life until post Maidan.
>>540277873these are the worst colors i've ever seen for a flag, literally the colors of piss in a toiletbowl lmao
>>540288398They keep using that color scheme for all the fake countries.
>>540277873ukraine is basically the european version of a kind of independent texas, because foundation of their conscousiness came from armed settlers known as cossacks, whom occupied a kind of space that nobody really had claim to at period of settlement.
>>540288473i should also add, they also tie themselves to kievan rus. i think this isn't very realistic, as kievan rus was completely wiped out as civilisation. contemporary ukr is spiritually cossack in every sense of word.
>>540284494ussr was successor of russian empire, which was formalised under stalin who essentially resumed position of tsar. however, communism was insanely unpopular with people and russians are not strong in organising states or runniing efficient govts. because of that, they had concept to divide the ussr into satilette states, "soviet republics", and puppet governments. in this case, they believed they could better manage the empire where tsar had failed. of course, that is just the glamorised version. in reality, these divisions were conducted solely for admin purposes as enforcement came from pure state terror, cheka/nkwd, agitprop, military occupation etc.
Turdies in OverdriveGot bombed by ukies again?
>>540279139Leave it to an American to conflate the state with the country with the nation with the society. A nation can exist without a state or a country, a state can have no nation, a country can have a foreign-imposed state, or no single nation, or be part of multiple states. You probably think the Baltics exist since 1991.
>>540288796Finally a smart comment here
>>540277873>tf
>>540288796Current borders Ukraine trace their existence to Bolshevik Jews handing over Russian territory, making a Ukrainian SSR and forcing Ukrainization there in the 1920s on Russians that were semi-halted by Stalin later.Talking about some region(s) being kind of proto-Ukraine doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Lenin is their de facto national father without him, Jews and the USSR, "Ukraine" or whatever it would be called would be North Macedonia tier and they sure as hell wouldn't have a coastline at all.
>>540277873Treaty on the Russian–Ukrainian border (2003)Putin signed it personally
>>540278043USA is literally a nigger cattle country
>>540277873>tf>tppoterry
>>540284248Neither did Russia, what's your point?
>>540287845>you know that the first Ukrainian state is only 100 years old!>btfo!???This 60IQ is reminiscent of Urkimmigrants. Go back and get banned.
>>540289012that's pretty bad argument to make considering the entire world after 1945 in eastern europe was product of "bolshevik jews", if you are talking about borders.
>>540277873Barracks state of cossack land pirates that causes maximum seethe you mean
As I said week 1 Russia should have nuked all its main cities.
>>540290284>Neither did Russia, what's your point?>>540278173CHOO CHOO, TRUTH NVKE COMING THROUGH> CHOOOOOO CHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wulf-ingaZ (1st c. BC – 3rd c. AD)Scandza (1st–3rd c. AD)Harudes (1st–3rd c. AD)Suiones / Svear (1st–3rd c. AD)Gauti / Geats (SWE) (2nd–6th c. AD)Chaedini (NOR) (2nd–4th c. AD)Dani (DK) (4th–6th c. AD)Wulfings (Scyldingas) (4th–7th c. AD)Angles & Jutes (4th–6th c. AD)> Rex Gothorum- Ostrogoths (3rd–6th c. AD)- Visigoths (4th–8th c. AD)- Thervings (sub-tribe)- Greuthungs (sub-tribe)Rex Vandalorum (2nd–6th c. AD)- Geats/SWE connection- Przeworsk culture (PL)- Silesia (CZ/PL region)Burgundians (3rd–6th c. AD)Skjoldungs (DK royal line) (4th–10th c. AD)> Rex SveorumYnglings (NOR/SWE royal lineage) (5th–9th c. AD)Suiones / Svear (formal kingship: Rex Sveorum) (10th–12th c. AD)Varjager / Varangians (8th–11th c. AD)Úlfhéðnar (9th–11th c. AD)Jomsborg / Jomsvikings (DK/SWE & Wends/PL) (10th–11th c. AD)Vikings of Gotland / Gotar (9th–11th c. AD)The North Sea Empire (Cnut: DK / ENG / NOR / parts of SWE) (1016–1035 AD)The Varangian Guard (10th–14th c. AD)Garðaríki / Early Rus’ (Hólmgarðar, Aldeigja, Kœnugarðr -> Novgorod, Ladoga, Kiev) (9th–11th c. AD)- Norse settlements along key river routes: Volkhov, Dnieper, Neva- Early trade hubs connecting Scandinavia -> Byzantine Empire -> Islamic Caliphates- Formation of Rurikid rule (Rúzland / Rusrike)- Leads to the establishment of Kievan Rus’ (Rus’)Kievan Rus’ -> Grand Duchy of Moscow -> Russian Empire (10th–16th c. AD)- Kievan Rus’: consolidation of Slavic and Norse elements; Kiev as central capital- Gradual centralization in the Grand Duchy of Moscow- Expansion into the Russian Empire, absorbing earlier Norse-Rus’ territories> TKD (you)
>>540278081sorry, meant to (you)kioyuuevvwwwwhere you go >>540290935wasnt supposed to be citing >>540278173
>>540290229boomers are older than Ukraine as an "independent" country
>>540277943A disaster for Belarus
>>540277873>name translates to "borderlands">only people that support it are r*dditniggers
>>540284624This anon knows.
>>540277873But enough about Belgium. At least the Ukraine or whatever they call it now tried to invent a new language or some shit.
>>540277873What is the Tzar of Russia?
>>540291215thinkpadfashion sense of a 5 year old kidgoatee to artificially midrash the devoid of a chin and jawline40% bodyfat
>>540291215ok? and my country means "land of the fields", america was named after a italian i dont know what argument you make here.
>>540277873Many such cases around the world.
