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165k in Chicago, 500 feet away from a metro stop. 4 bedrooms. 1600sqft.
You're going to tell me that's not affordable?
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>>540312265
all your neighbors are black though so you got that going for you too.
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>>540312265
>chicago
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>>540312265
Why is it made of bricks? /pol/ told me amerimutt houses were made of cardboard and plywood
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>>540312265
how much you paying me to live in chicongo?
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nigga you know how much it costs to install bars on all them windows and replacing the whole ass door frames with steel reinforced doors and that's not even considering floodlights, security cameras, guard dogs
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165 thousand dollars is very expensive yes
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>Chicago
It's probably smack in the middle of gang land or something
Imagine paying 165k to live in constant fear
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>>540312333
>>540312439
>>540312462
>I want affordable housing
>I also want to live in a gated community
Pick one
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>>540312509
>I want affordable housing
>I also want to live in a gated community
That's poland
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>>540312509
i wouldn't mind living next to niggers as long as the gun laws are reasonable
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>>540312509
Affordable housing in warzones and billion dollar gated community homes should not be the only two options.
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>>540312265
>Chiraq
>Chicongo
>Obama
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>>540312504
yeah, the side white apartments are in the mid 700,000s
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>>540312509
Even someone like you can understand that a 'house' is pointless if you can't step outside of it without being shot or stabbed.
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>>540312265
Murder and rape housing speculators
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>>540312265
>7759 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60619
Just south of Englewood lmao. Have fun with that.
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>>540312456
>Why is it made of bricks?
It is painted in the pattern of bricks, it's made of foam.
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LETS ALL GO LIVE IN SHEEE_CA-GOOO

ook ook moment 24/7
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>>540312509
Not all white communities are gated. There are plenty that aren't, but oh look, they're only building 750k USD houses there. I've taken a look around my 70% white town and if you settle for anything under 300k it's literally falling apart.
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>>540312456
Those are classic Chicago Brownstones. They were built in the 1800s to retain heat in the winter.
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>>540312265
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7759-S-Wabash-Ave-Chicago-IL-60619/4005715_zpid/?utm_campaign=androidappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
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>>540312439
>>540312333
>>540312265
>>540312833


I live in chicago, this is in the black area. Homes for sale are abundant here but guess what? odds are you'll get robbed within the first month
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>>540312456
It's probably pretty old. Built before Chicago was only partially a shithole and not a complete shithole.
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>>540312265
The fact its even a discussion at all means you're a retarded faggot and we live in a failed state run by inept child fucking nerds.
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>>540312509
>conditioning with two options
fuck off
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>>540312265
>500 feet away from a metro stop
That's code for nigger delivery.
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>>540312462
>>540312504
>>540312733
>>540312878
Why do coasties seethe so much at Chicago? Inferiority complex? Jealousy?
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>>540312265
>chicongo
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>>540313015
try living in Birmingham faggot
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>>540313015
Niggers, actually
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>>540312265
>500 feet away from a metro stop
Enjoy your 24/7 curbside nigger delivery, retard.
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>>540312456
America is the size of Europe with cities, suburbia, and rural areas so sparse that you can't see your neighbors from your porch. Mountains, deserts, plains, river valleys, oceanside. Homes built for all situations including hurricane defense, desert cooling, winter survival, and everything in between. Mansions, shacks, suburbia...
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>>540312265

FOR SALE
$164,900 Est.

$1,178/mo

4 bd

3 ba

1,686 sq ft

7759 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60619

https://www.redfin.com/IL/Chicago/7759-S-Wabash-Ave-60619/home/13918697
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Just look at this shit anon. It's not a bad house but fucking 350k? You'd have to be retarded to think it's worth that much. Ask a boomer how much they'd have paid for it and they'd probably say less than 5k.
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>>540312941
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>>540313015
Having lived in NY, LA, and Chicago, I can definitely say Chicago is the superior city by far. Chicago gets a bad rap because of the South Side, but what non-residents don't know is that it's literally all nigger v nigger murders in specific neighborhoods that nobody goes to or even has to drive through.
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>>540312265
If it were a viable deal, money would've bought it already.
So it's even overpriced still whilst appearing "cheap."
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>>540312833
Conveniently one block a way from I94 and only 13 murders in the neighborhood this year!
Sure all the appliances have been ripped out on account of the judicial foreclosure and there's a bit of flood damage in the basement, but it already has multiple bids so place yours now!
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>>540313165
Replacing the windows alone is gonna cost another 30k not to mention it's completely unfinished inside.
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>>540312265
entire Real Estate market in USA is how far can you be from Niggers without having a 3hr commute.
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>>540312265
>4 bedrooms.
Are you a boomer or a convict or something ? I want a bedroom with a dressing room and a bathroom, I want an office, an auditorium, a gym, 2 bedrooms with a shared playroom and a bathroom and a guest bedroom + bathroom. I want a professional kitchen with professional air extraction vents, a dinning room and a living room. I also want a genkan and a HVAC with moisture/air controle in each bathroom is non negociable.
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>>540312265
>7759 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60619
its right next to I90 too. a block away.
I live in California next to I80 which I80 and I90 become one. I can literally go outside my house, drive half a mile, get on I80. Drive 2000 miles and end there in 3-4 days with just gas stops and a hotel stay or two if I drove non stop.

its a straight run the entire way
But honestly it looks nice. outside of a piece of shit rusted van parked outside (map google) most cars in the area look new. even a few cadi and lexus. You sure this is a bad neighborhood?
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>>540312848
Please tell me you don’t actually believe that? These areas are colonial and after era. A lot of nice buildings ruined by filth. These places are old enough to pass around old property and invest nothing in them.
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>>540312635
Sure...
"Reasonable" for you AND THEM.
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>>540312456
Its only a brick facade
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>>540313178
Chicago has a good salary to cost of living ratio unlike SF where gas is $6 a gallon or NYC where renting a room is $3000
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>>540313015
Probably something to do with how it has the highest total volume of murder of any city in the country. You may go live there if you so desire.
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>>540313113

Hmmm. Right in the middle of a high-crime area.

Figures.
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>>540312848
>foam
American foam . . .
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>>540312941
the thing is I looked on mapquest. No hoodies walking around. none of the homes have bars on the windows. all upkept lawns. nice cars. many new.
its a far cry from The Bronx or East Oakland
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>>540312265
that house is located in one of the most dangerous areas of chicago and is majority african.
so now that we got that out of the way, what do you all think is the point of these blatantly idiotic and misleading threads of which we have seen thousands?
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>>540312265
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>>540313299
>volume
useless metric
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>>540313290
>Chicago has a good salary to cost of living ratio
That's exactly why I picked it over LA and NY. It's the most affordable big city with literally all the amenities you'd get elsewhere for half the price.
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>>540312265
Hey, good find OP!
Hey, you didn't list the city, so can you check it and see what the crime rate is for that city? I just want to be sure it's as nice as you say!!
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>>540313113
>7759 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60619
https://www.greatschools.org/illinois/chicago/1321-Ruggles-Elementary-School/
Black
93%
Hispanic
6%
Unspecified
1%
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>>540313420
Bro what is going on in Tijuana
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>>540313519
>>540313445
Ahhh, and there it is. Wabash Ave.

Yup. You'll get shot in the first week, just robbed if lucky.

We're done here. You lose, OP
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>>540313203
Fixer upper!
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>>540313299
Its just a massive East Oakland on the south side.
like anywhere there are nice areas. Oakland has Oakland Hills and Piedmont which are night and day in safety and wealth.
even The Bronx has City Island which is wealthy.
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>>540313436
You probably live on the north side, I assume? What do you work in?
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>>540313362
here we are down the street
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>>540313594
>Bro what is going on in Tijuana
Mexicans would be my guess
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>>540312265
Does the home come with insurance for being murdered and robbed by joggers on a daily basis?
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>>540313165
Might need some wallpaper
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>>540313743
Yeah, about 7 minutes away from Wrigley Field. I work from home as a therapist. I honestly don't consider anything south of Chinatown "Chicago." Just stay north and you're fine.
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>>540313362
I agree. I just checked it out. high crime of violent attacks and robberies and break ins. yet you dont see bars on the windows because of local laws. so they put the bars on the inside of the windows. people literally live in a prison because of crime. it's so fucking sad. you drive home and see hood rats hanging out on your lawn and you're too afraid to drive into your driveway.

fucking liberal shithole. no different than SF because if you shoot someone trying to rob you, You go to prison for excessive force. and Chicago will always be a LIberal Shit hole
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>>540313288
retard
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>>540313936
I was personally responsible for the fog around navy pier which ruined the fireworks on the 4th kek
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>>540313936
North side still seems fairly expensive though
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>>540314133
Sent it over from London, eh? Cheeky monkey.
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>>540313165
I was raped in a crack den just like that
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>>540313936
>around Wrigley Field
Seems to be a very gay area. Fantastic.
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It's dirt cheap for a number of unpleasant realities including lead. Until 1989, Chicago mandated lead water service lines for the convenience of the plumber union members. To be safe, the new owner will need to replace all pipes, tubs, sinks, valves, water heaters, toilets, soil, etc. because they are contaminated by lead deposits. If the owner needs to use a plumber, installer, remediator or the like and have everything tested afterwards, the costs will be painful.
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>>540313113
*Multiple Offers Received. Highest and Best due by 11:59pm 8/2/26.* Spacious home offering incredible potential for homeowners, investors, or rehabbers.

Yeah they're not selling it, they're fishing for a bidding war.
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>>540314204
I mean, yeah, it's not cheap. But it's nowhere near cities in states like California, Washington, New York, etc. But yes - I could move further out and save money.
>>540314281
>gay area
That would be Boystown, which is very close indeed. The fags keep it pretty safe and clean tho.
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>>540312509
It doesn’t have to be a gated community to be safe and you know that you slimy kike
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>>540312265
Doesn't have bars on the windows yet, so if you buy it you'll have that extra cost. Plus a vlad the impaler fence around the yard
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>>540314366
Gay people are just so insufferable and contemptible. I unironically like black people more (although I'd still rather live around gays)
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>>540312265
>You're going to tell me that's not affordable?
It is if you're unemployed, unemployable, have no skills or savings, and your anxiety disorder and PTSD have kept you trapped in your childhood bedroom for the past decade.
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You’d have to be a retard to buy in Chicago when you can buy a starter home in Gary, IN which is just a 40 minute drive away.
Plus Indiana has the cheapest gas nationwide, the price starts with a 2.
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>>540312265
How far is it from NIGGERS?
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>>540312265

Britbongers ITT about to commit suicide.
That house here would be 600K in a City with as much opportunity as Chicago.
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>>540312848
My parents live in a 1927 house in Aurora, IL and it is also red brick, and is not the only brick or stone house on the block. Down at the corner there's a stone cottage, even. And it's not a façade, I know firsthand, those walls are massive cunts when you're trying to pull cable from outside. Need a 3' SDS masonry bit.
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>>540313113
>>540312265
Huh whats that about 50ft down the road? O im sure its nothing to be worried about.
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>>540314582
They could be anywhere. They could even be mixed with the white people. WORRY
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>>540314564
> Gary, Indiana
No. Smells bad. Either live in Michigan or live in the outer suburbs of Chicago.
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>>540314726
I wonder what it’s like being from IL but not Chicago
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>>540314582
Great Schools says 93% Niggers, 6% Beaners....

and you can bet the Beaners are bottom of the barrel.
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>>540312439
just don't be a poor nigger, simple really pic related is my neighborhood.
>>540312456
majority of homes in chicago and the great lakes region were built during the late 1800s of brick and stone from local quarries.
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I'm gonna tell you 'you're a faggot!' and leave.
YOU'RE A FAGGOT!
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>>540314773
Also if niggers come and fuck your shit up, remember that the Chicago PD, America's best and most competent, not corrupt, and not retarded police, are on the job of catching them.
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>>540314984
>average home price: 1,000,000$
Not everyone makes 400k a year anon
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>>540312509
>>540312265
PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LIVE NEAR NIGGERS BECAUSE NIGGERS COMMIT CRIME AND ACTS OF VIOLENCE
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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>>540314564
>Gary, IN
I'm from CA and even I know Gary, IN is a famous Nigger slum.
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>>540312265
Sikako is fucked n city
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>>540312767
On the contrary, the whole point of a house is that it's a place where you can be safe from being shot or stabbed
>>540312972
There are lots more options like "rent state housing at cost to lower prices" or "abolish zoning regulations to lower prices" or "TKD" but I think they're outside the scope of this discussion, don't you?
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>>540314908
just ask
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>>540312265
>not affordable?
It's a niggable neighbourhood isn't it?
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>>540314582
NOT FAR ENOUGH IF IT'S ONLY $165K

>>540314984
I BET YOU LIVE NEAR A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF NIGGERS DON'T YOU?!
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>>540314789
>NIGGERS are definitely here, he thought.
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>>540314564
GARY IS FULL OF NIGGERS YOU RETARD
THAT IS WHY THESE HOMES ARE SO CHEAP
BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE IN THEM
ON ACCOUNT OF ALL THE NIGGERS
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>>540312456
>made of bricks?
Those bricks are made of cardbored.
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This is bait you retards got baited. I swear /pol/ has just turned into bait, goonbait, or twitter screen grabs.
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What does it look like now? Google maps image pls
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>>540314524
You meant isn’t, you whatever you are
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>>540315572
And what should we be talking about? The retarded situation in Hormuz? The spectacle of electoral politics where whoever gets voted into power, mass migration continues? Maybe you'd like to talk about how the retarded deficit spending to support the retarded response to the retarded flu season caused rampant inflation?
Oh, I know! How about all the retarded deficit spending to replace all our jobs with AI!
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>>540313290
chicago rents in the good/desirable areas exploded post covid. basically anything along the north leg of the blue line or near the lake shore north of the loop is expensive as fuck.
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>>540312265
Falling asleep to gunshots and niggers music blasting at 3am on a Tuesday doesn't sound that great though. Move to rural Illinois for a similar house in that price range. All you would have to worry about there is white trash meth heads stealing your lawn mower.
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>>540312608
Not for long. The retarded leftoids will flood it with third worlders and preach open borders and then when housing gets more expensive, they’ll resort to socialism. And when you can’t walk the streets without getting stabbed by some muzzle they’ll call for more disarming and surveillance.
Leftoids are such retards.
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>>540312635
>he thinks niggers follow gun laws
Lol.
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When I was a kid we lived near a housing project with mostly Puerto Ricans. Meh, they stayed in their area and didn't go into the white part of the neighborhood (the whites were pretty trashy people and not that great either tbqh). One time a guy in a suspicious white panel van ask my dad for directions to the project and he pointed him right to where it was because he knew the cops were doing drug busts down there and would probably get him.
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>>540312265
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>>540312265
Welcome back, real estate retard anon. Let's get to it.

7759 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60619

At least you didn't blatantly lie about the price this time.

It doesn't have a kitchen. There's $30k in cabinets, countertops, appliances, plumbing, easily. Probably closer to $50k if you want to match the rest of the aesthetic of the interior.

Bathroom needs a vanity, sink, paint. $3k if you got the right guy.

Missing a couple of can lights but that's not too bad. $750, mostly for electrical labor.

Basement was flooded. New doors, new floors, flood cuts to drywall, mold abatement, drywall repair, probably some framing, new paint throughout. $50k if you went super super cheap on materials.

Backyard is a disaster.

So figure roughly $100k in repairs again, on the low end. That's all out of your own pocket, by the way. So let's take a look at the neighborhood and the comps.

Oh nice, right next to 1-94. Who doesn't love the sound of freeway traffic. Pretty close to the lake too, you're really going to love the brisk air coming off that in the winter. The good news is Home Depot where you would buy your shitty new kitchen is right down the street. Greater Grand Crossing, that's a great neighborhood for violent crime. East Chatham too. Both towards the bottom of public safety in Chicago. As long as you don't park your car on the street and don't go outside at night you should be okay maybe. Or maybe not. Says here East Chatham is about 92% black. You're going to stick out like a sore thumb anywhere you go. Niggers are going to know exactly which house to hit.

East Chatham has a median sale price of $150k, Greater Grand Crossing about $260k, so let's split it and call it $200k for your neighbors. And you're only in it for like $360k. What a steal! You'll definitely be making your money back on this one.

You sure know how to pick them, real estate retard anon.
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>>540313054
>Birmingham
That was real estate retard anon's last thread.
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>>540312941
Unironically this is where all the nonbinary folk go to, first, try to gentrify; end up getting the biggest blackpill of their lives living among niggers, figuratively and metaphorically kek not sure what happens to them after. I think they become the innawoods people in western states
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>>540313255
Yes auto loans are incredibly easy to get as long as you can prove you make at least $500 a month. But just because they got it doesn't mean they make the payments , there are some neighborhoods that even repo guys wont go into.
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>>540313362
>what do you all think is the point of these blatantly idiotic and misleading threads of which we have seen thousands?
I like to call him retard but in truth he's either an abjectly demoralized millennial seething about being priced out of whichever coast his parents live on or he's a demoralization shill.
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>>540315572
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>>540313344
20 homicides in the area in 2025.
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>>540315169
I go days without seeing a nigger, self segregation is a real thing up north compared to the south where whites have 30 nigger neighbors.
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>>540314564
>Just move to a place with no jobs where you're in fear for your life at all times. That's how you get a start in life.
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>>540316734
that's true every diner down there has blacks working in the kitchen, washing dishes, mopping the floors, outside doing road construction work, etc.
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>>540312265
>no fence
>no garden
>no privacy
>house entrance literally on the footpath
>Chicago
Completely understandable it's that price. Even leaving aside the racial aspect to this. The minute you go out for work or shopping, some fucking junkies going to be breaking in. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it's some sort of renovated crack house.
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>>540314256
I am the one who raped you.
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>>540312333
It's brick though, so it's hardened against small arms fire.
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>>540317495
chicago homes predate cars kangaroonigger, the "garden" is a backyard behind the home, majority of them are also fenced, detached garage is also behind the home. a majority of US home entrances are on a "footpath" even in the suburbs are you retarded?
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>>540312906
Good. High prices are how you keep the niggers out. You really do just have to choose one or the other.
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>>540312265
AHAHAHAAHHAAH FUCKING KILL YOURSELF OP YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
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>>540312265
If you're fine with never having anything nice because if you do you're instantly robbed and are constantly under threat of being attacked just getting your mail or going to your car.
Most white people are not okay with that.
Only browns seem to tolerate that kind of thing and normalize it. It's weird and self destructive.
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>>540312265
>500 feet away from a metro stop.
and 500 feet from 500 niggers
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>>540312509
>Pick one
No, you.
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>>540320752
bro I've never seen a double built in oven, microwave, and espresso machine. WTF that's nice.
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>>540312265
You don't understand, anon. They don't want to have to settle for less desirable areas. They're like 40 year old, fat , ugly poor incels that refuse to settle for anything less than a 10/10, teenage virgin
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>>540312456
>Why is it made of bricks?
those arent bricks
those are jew ashes from the holocaust pressed into blocks
some call them bnai bricks
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>>540312504
and if you put bars in the window they are gonna want to break in even more
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>>540312635
post the racial statistics of the county you live in
I guarantee its over 90% white which is why you would make such a remark

NO ONE wants to live near people who stand outside all day with no job and commit real crimes daily
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>>540312265
It's cheap as fuck, but that's kinda how we know there are more than a few caveats.
Parading scams or extreme exceptions does nothing to convince people for good reason.
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>>540320871
>Just settle for a shit hole filled with violent niggers so you can be a statistic.
שלום
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>>540320871
the UK is the second least affordable country relative to local income.
unless you are a nepo baby with mommy and daddy giving you a leg up you have it worse then almost anyone else next to only canada.
also, if you had read the thread you would know the house op posted is located in a chicago hellscape with high crime, homeless africans wondering all over and low income mass housing right down the street
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>>540312265

the kind of dwelling that comes with a live-in crack dealer. No, thank you.
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>>540320871
Death to all jews.
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>>540321254
>the UK is the second least affordable country relative to local income.
So what?
>unless you are a nepo baby with mommy and daddy giving you a leg up you have it worse then almost anyone else next to only canada.
So what?
>also, if you had read the thread you would know the house op posted is located in a chicago hellscape with high crime, homeless africans wondering all over and low income mass housing right down the street
So what? None of this has anything to do with what I said.
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>>540321221
If that's all you can afford then yes that's what you have to settle for. If you want to live somewhere more desirable then earn/save more money
>>540321276
>Death to all jews.
Agreed 100%
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>>540313178
That's true of pretty much all high murder rate places really
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>>540321254
They (jews/jewshills/golems) come back in no small part because anons like you treat them like they’re people. When will you get it that they’re not?? Are you seriously that cowardly that you can’t either just ignore them or tell them to kts and move on? Or are you working with them? We will be wiped out because of your kindness for them unless we sweep you up too somewhere along the way. Choose wisely.
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>>540321377
Nice new tactic, jew. If you don’t want to be taken for one, don’t act like one/offer them aid and comfort. I’m out of here, couldn’t help it but this stuff is everything.
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>>540312265
it will be 450k in 2 realtors
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>>540321329
yes, it does.
you are saying that people complaining about not wanting to spend $160,000 to live around african gangs, violent crime in african neighborhoods are somehow entitled and not willing to settle.
either that or you comment is not based in anyway to the topic of the thread and you're just trolling.
either way you are irrelevant.
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>>540321377
>If that's all you can afford then yes that's what you have to settle for.
Imagine paying for the privilege of living in close proximity to niggers.
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>>540312265
>"Housing is too expensive"

Nice houses in decent neighborhoods are expensive, yes.

Don't post small shit houses with zero property in Niggerville cause of course they're more affordable. Duh.
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As if most boomers didn't also live in dirt shit poor conditions in their 20s.
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>>540312265
> 500 feet away from a metro stop
Aye, there's the rub.
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>>540322041
I'd rather grow up poor and live in a segregated 99+% community than the absolutely niggerfied country we live in today hands down. Boomers grew up and lived in an entirely different country from the US today. In fact, if you went back in time and told people what the US of the 2020's would look like they would wonder what war we lost.
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>>540312265
>security storm door
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>>540312265
>chicago
>next to a bus route (inner city)
nigtown. enjoy being murdered for your cell phone
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>>540313255
>You sure this is a bad neighborhood?
gee I don't know hard to say
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>>540313178
haven't lived in any of those 3 (thank god) but been to all of them and I do like Chicago the best. It has the best skyline, downtown (loop) with beautiful river and lake and the people are way more chill than NY or especially LA. Wrigley stadium is awesome too.
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>>540312265
This the new demoralizing tactics shlomo?
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>>540312509
Not being able to live in a high trust White community for an affordable price is a symptom of White genocide, and should not be tolerated and worked around. Kikes need to be killed until conditions improve.
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I will just buy the cheapest land I can find and build my own shitbox. Unless you are uber rich the houses you can buy are all shit quality ready to be scrapped.
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>>540322632
Even he is shocked.
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>>540323019
the government will send armed men to tear down your home if you do that without a license, it happens in spain all the time. they do this to plan cities but mostly deny those licenses to protect landlords since they worked so hard and all

the license is what is expensive about making a home
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>>540314564
Ah yes, britbong, excellent bait. Gary, IN is the patrician's choice, with it's it a staggering murder rate of 78.15 per 100,000 (few years ago).



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