Why do normies just ignore miracles?
>>540315340>a stone >survived a fire>A MIRACLE
>should i save entire neighborhoods from being destroyed by natural disasters>nah, just one mass produced statue
>>540315468Personally I worship that brick thing in the background.
>>540315340Shinto shrines survived bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yet you still worship a jew.
>>540315340weird the church would just have it on the dirt like that
>>540315340As the first two normies who replied make clear, they're in capable of seeing beyond the most base materialist world view
>>540315340Why do Catholics worship the Virgin Mary as a Mother Goddess? They know they're all going to Hell, right?!https://aleteia.org/2019/08/20/why-is-the-virgin-mary-feeding-st-bernard-with-breast-milk/
was this a miracle?
>>540315340Considering it's not even scorched at all it was likely placed there after the fact. The ol' magicians miracle.
The holy fireplace survived the fire, too! Praise be to Saint Logburner
>>540315576that's so hot.
>>540315512>that brick thingNever seen a fireplace and chimney before, Muhammad?
>>540315340Somebody post the image of the old women whose sister died in a housefire but deemed it a miracle that the bible survived. One of my all time favorite christcuck copes.
Remember catholics, no where in the Bible does it say anything about praying to Mary or saints.
Here’s another Christian miracle
>>540315576The fucking archangels even bowed down to Mother Mary you disgusting protestant scumEven Jesus himself said "here's YOUR mother" implying Mary was the mother of all christians
>>540315340Goyim non ironically believe God came down, transformed into a bull like Zeus, and impregnated an engaged slut to give birth to Jesus
>>540315512Based Hestia enjoyer
>>540315985Source? (You don't have any lol)
Goyim non ironically believe God came down, transformed into a bull like Zeus, and impregnated an engaged slut to give birth to God
>>540316002Lmao
>>540316055Saved
>>540315340>only thing made of stop>her and chimneyretard fucking everywhere
>>540316020Hestia is bestiabut Skadi is a hottie
>>540315985Keep telling yourself that as you're swallowed up in Hellfire
>>540315340You know what would actually be a miracle? That statue somehow saving that home from fires.But that would mean (((Yahweh))) exists, you dumb goycuck nigger
>>540316057What a grand and intoxicating eloquence
>>540315340>miracle>the only things NOT made of cardboard duct-taped by mexicans survived a fire>thing*S*, because the chimney survived too, but apparently the Abrahamist's idolatry refuse to accept that their omnipotent God that work in mysterious way might take any shape he fucking want
>>540316275The stone could have burned too you half-wit.
why do atheist right-wingers pretend they're religious just to get other right-wingers to become religious?
>>540316057>this goyimfake subtitle. a jew would know 'goyim' is plural. this fact only escapes /pol/tards, the browner ones first.
>>540316458>stone>burningThe fact you say that seriously explain why kikes managed to convince normies that the Nazi's pizza ovens could volatilize 6 millions corpses to nothingness.
>>540315512calm down there, adolf
>>540315576>worshipworship is the word protestants use. Our relation with Mary is different.
>>540316682
>>540315512>chimney survives fireWhy don't we just build all houses out of chimney material???
>>540315340Why do normies build homes out of combustible materials?
>>540316947Whoa, hold your horses, thats commie talk
>>540316947You are going to scare the burgers talking stuff like that
>>540316682Catechism says different.>Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus' mother into our homeshttps://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/catechism/cat_view.cfm?recnum=6909
>>540316947Two out of three little piggies HATE that one simple trick
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>>540315576>They know they're all going to Hell, right?!Kabbalah told you so huh?
>>540317403See>>540317134Catholics "pray to [Mary]" which means they literally worship her so, yes, according to the Bible (John 14:6) they're all damned.
Why are jews, muslim, pajeets, pagans and other human garbage so gay and disgusting?
>>540317134and which is the part that talks about worship? and we pray for intercession>inb4nigga, I had that same argument with protestants countless of times. I'm not doing it again. We do things this way. Protestants are for the most part turbo faggots, so who are you to say how things should be done in Church which survived 2000 years, when protestants couldn't stay one thing for like 50 years
>>540315533Didn't survive Muslims thoughSo they couldn't survive third tier Jews
>>540315576>Why do Catholics worship the Virgin Mary as a Mother Goddess?Well, you see. There were these people called the Cathars. And they lived near Basque Country and the Basques worshiped a mother goddess named Mari. And the Cathars believed in a sacred feminine sometimes embodied as Mary Magdalene. And we can't have people worshiping things other than Roman Catholicism, so the Holy Roman Emperor crusaded their asses in the Albigensian Crusade. And because the Holy Roman Emperor didn't give an actual fuck about religion just political control, they changed to religion to include "Mary, Mother of God," to make Catholicism more friendly to them so they had to burn fewer of them at the stake. Which in turn resulted in a Schism and the Avignon papacy and the Marianists won the papacy so we still pander to Cathars centuries later by venerating Mary.
>>540315340Because they're normies. Hylics. NPCs. Cattle
>>540315576"Pray" as in ask for her blessing, it goes back to the Latin roots of the word. It is the same as asking saints who are alive in God to pray for you. And no, I'm not Catholic.
>>540318120If you "pray to" something that means you're worshipping that thing. >>540318686Truke
>>540317615>
>>540318467So just like Hagia Sophia for christkikes amairite?
>>540318823>"Pray" as in ask for her blessing, it goes back to the Latin roots of the word.and to clear any confusion, "Bless" doesn't mean they give you power of their own, it means they pray for you. So asking Mary to bless them is asking her to pray for you, the term is intercession I believe.It is why blessing people who engage in homosexuality is ok, but blessing a gay union isn't. Blessing someone isn't a condonement of their actions, it is asking for God to help them (Hence saying "bless you" when someone sneezes.)
>>540315985yeah im sure, the demon lord yeshua, telling all the damned of the world that the whore of babylon, who bore the child of a roman and called it a miracle>YOU are all KEKOLDS
>>540319116AI
>>540318851noand why do you think y ou're in charge of deciding that?
>>540315340This picrel is more accurate
>>540315967the church != christianityyou can dislike the church and still be a christian
>>540315340>have it standing on its own in front of the house>it doesn't burn down with the houseonly devine intervention could possibly explain that. unfortunately, in the time the holy spirit was busy saving that stone statue, 50 children got bone cancer
>>540315340The stupidity of chriscucks knows no boundaries
>>540315340false signs and wonders?why cant romanists stop pushing their marian heresies?
>>540317593I see, you don't get what "ORA PRO NOBIS" means.
>>540318120prayer is worship.there is only one mediator between man and God that is Jesus Christ. Mary cant interces for you.
>>540315576>They know they're all going to Hell, right?!You'd know, wouldn't you.
>>540319309kek
>>540318823>>540319095>bro just pray to a whole pantheon of "saints" lmao, thats what God wanted alrightyou are only entertaining demons
>>540315340The devil does that shit to keep goyim in the darkness.
>>540317593worship comes from the old english "worthship" which means "to give what is due." when you refer to a king as "your majesty" you are worshipping the king. when you use a tranny's preferred pronouns you are worshipping that tranny.worship has only linguistically shifted to refer to the worship reserved for god, which catholics do not give to mary. you can worship your king and your rulers and your celebrities and not be damned, but the worship due to god is reserved only for god. it becomes a sin only when the worship reserved for god is given to something besides god.
>>540320415I don't understand why you faggots are arguing over which version of cuckoldry is better. Before the Holy Roman Empire, 50% of the world was European. Since the Holy Roman Empire, we are 10% and falling. Muslims and Africans roam freely in our lands, eat our food, and rape our women. Our men are so defeated some of them believe they are women. Others of our men have openly embraced cuckoldry. Since Christendom (whatever version you profess), we have engaged in endless wars against each other, reducing our numbers and handing our enemies victory without ever having to meet us on the battlefield. And we are so defeated we allow ourselves to be ruled over by our own women. The Old Gods made us strong. Why do you embrace weakness?
>>540315340>idolatrous statue (no graven images)>you shall have no other gods (cathcucks worship Mary so much so she's more popular than Jesus)>statue survived the same way the chimney did but they don't worship the chimney?Just another day of confused jew worshippers.>>540319444>a-ackchully it doesn't matter that the churches have a serial problem of pedophiliaCope
>>540320851>he doesnt even know about the jesuitseducate yourself before talking about the subject.
>>540320648>It becomes a sin only when the worship reserved for god is given to something besides godAs Catholics do, yes. >>540320485Tick tock.>>540320374See>>540317134
>>540320938Nigger, what the fuck are you talking about? I could care less about some crypto Jews larping as Catholics who are already larping as Christians. I care about the Old Gods and the sacrifices we once made to them.
>>540317271Whoever made that a hundred years ago deserved a bigger raise than what they likely received.
>>540315890What is this guy up to today?
>>540320851anglos were literally swamp people before christianity. england has been christian for as long as the english people have existed conceptually. the romans who built the roman empire are genetically extinct and absorbed by the eurasian negro hordes, and the british race will soon follow. there is no "european" exceptionalism, just the exploits of a smaller people who will soon disappear from the face of the earth no matter which gods they worship
>>540321030yes, but Im not engaging with you cringe larpagan bullshit. enjoy worshiping demons tho.
>>540315340satan btfo
>>540315340>omg a stone survived a fire!!!christkeks once again proving how retarded they are.
>>540320945You can hear it too? Lets go together.
>>540320945what is your evidence that prayer to saints makes god angry or that god gets angry when we talk to other christians?
>>540317271Fake image, the famous tori gate in nagasaki was partially destoryed but one pillar still remained, and it is made of stone. The bottom tori gate image is real, but it is in Otsuchi 1800km away from any city that got bombed. The flood wrecked the town but the gate stood.
>>540315340...Rock surviving fire is a miracle now?Must be hard to be this gullible... and this willingly ignorant of the ashes apparantly deemed unfit to be "miraculously" saved surrounding it.
>>540315533>Shinto shrines survived bombing in Hiroshima and NagasakiNo shrine survived. Hiroshima Gokoku Shrine was completely destroyed and rebuilt after the war, salvaging a few stone objects.
>>540321152Gods Word.Deut 1810 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering,[e] anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord.youre on the same level as a Moloch worshiper in the eyes of God if you pray to the deceased.
>>540315512ah yes, a fine choice
>>540321704are you fucking retarded or just this dumb? The point is the icon represents the literal mother of god. If you think that surviving isn't a miracle you just have hate in your heart for Jesus Christ.
>>540322064>if you dont commit idolatry you hate Jesusyour brain on the roman cult
Rip the sacred fleshSodomize the holy assholeDrink the red blood of the mother of earthMasturbation on the dead body of christThe king of Jews is deadand so are the liesVomit on the host of HeavenMasturbate on the throne of GodBreak the seals of angelsDrink the sweet blood of ChristTaste the flesh of the priestSodomize holy nunsThe king of Jews is a liarThe Heavens will burnDethrone the son of GodGod is deadHolyness is gonePurity is gonePrayers are burnedCovered in black shitRape the holy ghostUnclean birth of Jesus ChristHeaven will fallFuck the churchFuck ChristFuck the VirginFuck the gods of HeavenFuck the name of Jesus
>>540321901okay, you're using a book compiled by the modern catholic church as your source, so you are unknowingly acknowledging that the roman church has the authority to canonize scripture. but let's get to the point:when you ask mary to pray for you are you>sacrificing your child as an offering>divining fortunes or omens>using charms, telepathy, or necromancy to interrogate the deadyou listed literally nothing that applies here. try again prot cuck
>>540315340The chimney survived too, amazing what stone can do
>>540322949yes, this only proves that the roman church does not adhere to the scripture but their catechism, just like jews adhere to the talmud instead of the torah.the catechism is talmud 2.0.>you listed literally nothing that applies here.inquiring of the saints is not inquiring of the dead?you are breaking the statues of God if you pray to saints who are deceased.
>>540321101Name a single thing Christianity has actually done for Europe. Will you be content "not worshiping demons" when you die, looking at your once beautiful continent now more resembling Mumbai than Europe? At what point will you actually defend yourself and your soul?
>>540323174>inquiring of the saints is not inquiring of the dead?let me explain it to you in a way a dumb ape like you can understand to INQUIRE means ASK QUESTIONS. scripture and tradition forbids us from trying to contact any kind of spirit for the purposes of obtaining information.to PRAY means ask a favor of. catholics do not divine secret knowledge from mary. they send a 1-way communication asking her to pray for people on earth. i hope you are capable of understanding the differences between the those two concepts
>>540323473>he thinks you will be some "soul" that floats around after death>>540323487if you pray to someone that is not God even for favors then it still has weight in the supernatural sense.the communication is not 1 way like you think, you address a being not of God thus you are a reprobate.no pilpul mental gymnasitcs changes that fact, you become a spiritual prostitute just like Israel when it practiced idolatry.read up on Jeremiah and Ezekiel what God thinks about that and how it turned out for them.dealing with God and the supernatural is not a fucking game where you make up your own rules. your opinion means jack shit.
>>540323487What does understanding the difference between these concepts mean when the entirety of Western Civilization is falling to pieces while Christians stand by and do nothing except engage in friviolous debate.
>>540320852>WEAR THE FUCKING JACKET, GOYKek. Youre supposed to pretend that its not blind hate, nigger. You fucked it up
>>540323745>he thinks god will reward him with heaven if he is a coward in this life that won't fight or die for his faith
>>540325199>he thinks faith in God is about collecting brownie pointsso immature
>>540316618prolly ai subtitles he said these not this
>>540319170Even worse... A street shitter.
>>540323745>dealing with God and the supernatural is not a fucking game where you make up your own rules. your opinion means jack shit. ...he says while also saying shit like >if you pray to someone that is not God even for favors then it still has weight in the supernatural sense.sure it has weight. you're asking a spiritually righteous person to advocate for you. you cannot back up the statement that any brush with the supernatural is inherently evil considering you believe in baptism. >the communication is not 1 way like you think, proof, man. how are you so certain that the rosary is 2-way necromantic communication with mary? what has you so convinced?>you address a being not of God thus you are a reprobate.by this logic every time you have a funeral or a wake you are damned, since you say things to the dead person.i get that theology is hard and requires a lot of difficult reading but what you're doing here isn't evangelizing, you're looking for intellectual "victories" to stoke you're ego and convince yourself you're to smart for all the church father's pilpul. don't worry, i'm positive a 20-30s something schizophrenic racist on /pol/ knows more about worshipping god than 2000 years of people who dedicated their entire lives to it
>>540318686Mary veneration was popularized in Constantinople in the and more specific the council of Ephesus. Sometime in the early 400's by Theodosius II sister Aelia Pulcheria. But you can go back even further for archaeological evidence. At least to the 150's AD in the Catacombs of Priscilla.Nestorian didn't even argue against veneration, he just objected to calling her God bearer and wanted to use Christ bearer.
>>540325401>you're asking a spiritually righteous person to advocate for you.there are no people floating around to receive your prayers.you have Jesus Christ who presents your prayers as incense before God. this is why we pray to him alone.you pray to anybody else then your prayer goes to the kingdom of satan. thats it.>how are you so certain that the rosary is 2-way necromantic communication with mary? what has you so convinced?praying beads are a pagan tradtion (muslims do the same btw), and Jesus told us not to pray like the heathens who think they are heard for their many prayers.praying the rosary is anti christian.>by this logic every time you have a funeral or a wake you are damned, since you say things to the dead person.dead people cant hear you, why talk to them?>i get that theology is hard and requires a lot of difficult readingoh please, fuck off with the myth that the bible is hard to understand.God made his commandments straight forward and clear. when he says to not engage in spiritual communication then thats it and it stands. man is simple so God talks to him in simple manner. its only when he addressed the forces of darkness when it takes nuance to understand what he says.>what you're doing here isn't evangelizingand that was never my goal. I simply point out false teachings and doctrines of demons that entered the sheepfold and tell them to stop heretical practices that are against God.> you're looking for intellectual "victories"no, I worry about your soul. how is it always about "winning" with you guys. just stop.>more about worshipping god than 2000 years of people who dedicated their entire lives to itread Revelation 2 and 3, Jesus rebukes the churches and doesnt pad them on the back.
>>540315512>Brick thing.>Fucking fire place.>Netherlands.god you fucking killed me with that, well done, its just as good as the one use fireplace made of wood.
>>540325901there are no people floating around to receive your prayers.before Jesus' ministry, the faith was not even sure if life continues in any way after mortal death. however, we now know that the church on earth is not the only church, but there are 3: the church militant on earth, the church triumphant in heaven, and the church penitent in purgatory. in fact, in Paul's ministry he explicitly describes the saints in heaven watching you live your life as if it were a race.the saints are living in heaven where they await bodily resurrection and glorification, and you'd have to contradict Paul to refute that, which is what the muslims do.>you pray to anybody else then your prayer goes to the kingdom of satan. thats it.so if you ask your city councilman to vote against the parking meters, that prayer goes directly to satan? i think your primitive monkey brain doesnt understand that "prayer" isn't some magical message spell that people cast by folding their hands together, it's just *asking* for something.>praying beads are a pagan tradtion (muslims do the same btw), and Jesus told us not to pray like the heathens who think they are heard for their many prayers. praying the rosary is anti christian.Jesus prayed the brachot, which were repetitive jewish prayers to god. god doesnt hate repetitive prayers, he hates prayers that are performed to virtue signal to others. the rosary is just a simplified version of the these kinds of prayers that lay people can memorize and recite while they farm or work.>dead people cant hear you, why talk to them?again, youre contradicting Paul here. Revelation also gives us some clue that the saints are waiting in heaven and have at least some idea of what is going on on earth.>oh please, fuck off with the myth that the bible is hard to understand.okay retard explain Exodus 4:24-6
>>540325269Nigger, why do you keep avoiding my question? Let me repeat. What reward will your god grant you if you do not defend your faith.
>>540325833Heretics
Holy shit... God kept the fireplace intact!!!!
>>540315627>strong enough to survive a roaring forest fire>weak enough to be destroyed by 1 subhuman with a hammer
>>540316642Underrated
>>540316947mine house chimney now no burn
>>540323487>to PRAY means ask a favor of>dear saint, please do this for me, or make something happen for me, or watch over someone for me >no it's not asking a favor I'm asking the saint to intercedeJust stop.
>>540326953>>before Jesus' ministry, the faith was not even sure if life continues in any way after mortal death.wrong, the belief was always in the resurrection from the dead.>we now know that the church on earth is not the only church, but there are 3: the church militant on earth, the church triumphant in heaven, and the church penitent in purgatoryroman made up garbage. the church are the saints who reign with Christ.> in Paul's ministry he explicitly describes the saints in heaven watching you live your life as if it were a race.no, Paul talks about the glorious resurrection in the coming of Christ.>the saints are living in heaven where they await bodily resurrection and glorificationno, humans dont live in heaven after death. heaven comes to earth and we are resurrected to live eternal on earth with Christ.1 Thessalonians 413 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,[d] that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.we are asleep when dead.>so if you ask your city councilman to vote against the parking metersoh stfu, dont test the Lord with your stupid games.>Jesus prayed the brachothas nothing to do with the Rosary but those are prayers of thanksgiving.>that lay people can memorize and recite while they farm or workso useless prayer, how generous of the clergy to condemn the "lay people" with heathen prayers.>have at least some idea of what is going on on earth.no, thats not what the passage in Revelation says.
>>540326953>okay retard explain Exodus 4:24-6Moses was uncircumcised since he was raised in the home of Pharaoh.he was on the way to bring Israel out of Egypt in that way which would make him a hypocrite. but you cant walk good with your genital having to heal.thus his wife cut the sons foreskin hand touched Moses foreskin with it, thus the groom of blood.its not rocket science.>>540327003>What reward will your god grant you if you do not defend your faith.I get nothing from defending my faith. God doesnt need apologists for him or defending.God and his Word stand on themselves.
I will not worship the king of the jewsI will not worship the king of the jewsI will not worship the king of the jews
>>540327823Shalom.
>>540327898>"i will not worship the king of the jews">"shalom"fuckin hell christkikes are mindraped
>>540316682I figured worship was basically singing hymns or psalms to God. Not praying.
>>540315340>Church burns down>Everyone’s homes are destroyed>No preparation by clear cutting trees within 50 ft of external roads to prevent fires from reaching the city.>Sent millions of dollars to brown people in other countries>Loses everything>Stone statue that can’t burn didn’t burn.>Think it is a miracleWhy are American Christians like this?
>>540315550no you just choose to ignore the most obvious answer, why doesnt the mountains melt when the wood on them catches fire, is it because it doesnt burn hot enough to destroy it,,,,,,,, NOOOOOOO that cant be it zombie jesus said NOT TODAY FLAMES..never breed and kys
>>540327457>wrong, the belief was always in the resurrection from the dead.no, the sadducees explicitly rejected the idea of an afterlife because they only believed the first 5 books of the old testament were canon. the pharisees believed in life after death because they influenced by greek philosophy. pharisee literally means "separatist" because they were seen as going against the orthodoxy of their day.>so if you ask your city councilman to vote against the parking meterswords mean things. all because you dont understand what prayer is ontologically and thereby are incapable of distinguishing it from magic is a failure you'll have to work through yourself to see things as they are.>have at least some idea of what is going on on earth.>no, humans dont live in heaven after death. heaven comes to earth and we are resurrected to live eternal on earth with Christ.you are partially correct, but with a grave error. the eternal life that's promised to us will take place on a perfected earth, however, souls are not "asleep" after the person dies, they are with christ and watching us as is shown in revelation and in Hebrews 12.>so useless prayer, how generous of the clergy to condemn the "lay people" with heathen prayers.I'm sorry are you a JW? Or a Seventh Day Adventist? The Soul Sleep heresy as far as i know is only believed by those retards and nobody else so you're outing yourself here just a bit.
>>540327898I WILL NOT WORSHIP THE KING OF THE JEWS. I REFUSE
>>540315540They just pulled it out of wreckage and someone took a picture, unfortunately this isn't a day and age where most people are religious and those secular laborers probably weren't thinking about it . Your average Christian's catechism is so watered down, this wouldn't even register
>>540327898>if you don't worship the king of jews then you're a jew
>>540328036both sadducees and pharisees were sects within the community.John 1124 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” Martha knew about the resurrection on the last day and that was the belief since the OT.>all because you dont understand what prayer is ontologicallyplay your talmudic games and see how it turn out then.>souls are not "asleep" after the person diesyes they are, thats what the bible teaches in both the OT and NT.Revelation talks about the saints under the altar who are saved and want their murderers to be held accountable just as Ables blood (the soul is in the blood) cried out from the ground.Hebrews 12 talks about angels who are always associated with clouds in scripture and the witness is the scripture itself.has nothing to do with saints floating around you.>The Soul Sleep heresythe Word is not heretical, papist. stop believing in roman fairy tails.
>>540315340Emile Zola literally witnessed one, admitted it, and then went right back to atheism. It’s what the Bible meant by they are under a powerful delusion since they are wicked
>>540316947What is that chimney made out of anyway?
>>540328431Miracles
>>540315340this is the most facebook normie boomer bullshit I've ever seen
>>540328333>Hebrews 12 talks about angels who are always associated with clouds in scripture and the witness is the scripture itself. has nothing to do with saints floating around you.Hebrews 11 transitions into 12 with:>And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect. Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for usThe "cloud of witnesses" is referring to Abraham, Abel, Noah, etc. and is CLEARLY not about any angels. It's easy to be confused when you only study the bible based on vibes and not actually through an exegetical reading of the text. >the Word is not heretical, papist. stop believing in roman fairy tails.i dont get it, are you ashamed of whatever heretic sect you identify with? are you JW or are you 7th day adventist? I assume the latter because you seem to attribute divinity to Jesus, but that's not much better. you are a fringe heretical cult spitting in the face of the church god himself established with peter.
>>540320648>Anyways, I'm going to attach this image that has no place here to my defense of obtuse practices that are sufficiently vague to function as entrapmentHey. Did you know that you can leave the internet? No one actually needs you here, and it's actively detrimental for you to use it.
>>540328884>The "cloud of witnesses" is referring to Abraham, Abel, Noah, etc. and is CLEARLY not about any angels.how do we know about Abel, Noah and Abraham? THE SCRIPTURES, thus the scripture is the witness.clouds are angels both in the ascention of Jesus into heaven and of the saints in the second coming. clouds are always associated with the divine. Jesus did not raise Noah, Abraham or Abel yet, only in the second coming.>i dont get it, are you ashamed of whatever heretic sect you identify with?I dont associate with sects or cults which romanism, JW and SDA all fall into.I associate with my faith in Jesus, the holy Scriptures and being born again in the Holy Spirit. nothing else, no tradition, no dogmas, no doctrines of men whatsoever. it all pollutes the the white linen that was given to me through justification in Jesus.>you seem to attribute divinity to Jesuseven the RC would coin you a heretic if you deny the divinity of Jesus.> you are a fringe heretical cult spitting in the face of the church god himself established with peter.where does it say "and you are Peter and on this rock I will build YOUR church?".its JESUS Church. not Peters.
>>540329281>>540329281>how do we know about Abel, Noah and Abraham? THE SCRIPTURES, thus the scripture is the witness.clouds are angels both in the ascention of Jesus into heaven and of the saints in the second coming. clouds are always associated with the divine. that makes literally zero sense. why would paul go on talking about these people great people and say and their accomplishments and immediately "therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses. oh but actually i meant angels who i hadn't mentioned once in this letter but i hope you guys didnt think the witnesses were the guys i just spent 3000 words gushing over.">I associate with my faith in Jesus, the holy Scriptures and being born again in the Holy Spirit. nothing else, no tradition, no dogmas, no doctrines of men whatsoever. it all pollutes the the white linen that was given to me through justification in Jesus.You *literally* are using a book canonized by *roman catholic bishops* as the primary source for your faith. do you believe that the church was always heretical or that it was on the right course up until it canonized the bible and then turned evil? was jesus wrong when he said the church he builds on peter will never fall to hell?>where does it say "and you are Peter and on this rock I will build YOUR church?". its JESUS Church. not Peters.god built his (jesus's) church on "this rock" (peter) who founded and led the church in rome. every roman pope is in direct succession with peter.>>540328901it's time for bed old man
>>540316947you some kind of jew hating commie?here in 'murcuh we build our houses from the strongest wood chips that have been glued together and compressed.
>>540315340The "evil one" can also perform "miracles"
>>540329786>such a great cloud of witnessesRev 146 Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. 7 And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”>You *literally* are using a book canonized by *roman catholic bishops* as the primary source for your faith.all scripture is inspired and given by God. no roman catholic contributed.>do you believe that the church was always hereticalno, it was co-opted by satan over time.>god built his (jesus's) church on "this rock" (peter) who founded and led the church in rome.no such thing. enjoy your Simon Magus imposter instead of Simon Peter.if the pope were Peters successor he would spread the gospel, but he does the opposite. he is successor of Judas Iscariot.
>>540325833You aren't differentiating between the Roman Catholic Church and the Byzantine Church. And even then, Mary veneration was more in line with the veneration of Martyrs and Saints in the early Church. It took on a new life after the Bogomil and Albigensian crusades. That's when the weird "defending Mary's virginity and purity" crap really kicked into rull retard mode.
>>540327618>I get nothing from defending my faith. God doesnt need apologists for him or defendingCope. This is why Europe is being conquered by Islam. I'm glad Christians like you are dying. We need a lot less forgiving and a lot more Vlad the Impaler.
>>540330309>such a great cloud of witnesses>Rev 14Revelation is written by an entirely different person long after paul was dead. why would you use that as evidence despite paul explicitly saying that the patriarchs and the great saints were witnesses? it makes literally no sense. >all scripture is inspired and given by God. no roman catholic contributed.scripture was not "given" like the book of mormon was "given." every book in the NT was written after jesus' earthy mission had concluded. in fact, there were hundreds of contenders for new "scripture" that didn't make the cut. the leaders of the catholic church met in nicea and prayed for guidance on discerning which ones were inspired and which werent. the fact that you believe the scripture is more than just text is because a council of catholics 1700 years ago said that they were.>no, it was co-opted by satan over time.so when Jesus said that when it came to the church he built on Peter, "the gates of hell would never prevail against it," Jesus was just wrong. sure that makes sense if youre retarded>if the pope were Peters successor he would spread the gospel, but he does the opposite. he is successor of Judas Iscariot.source: vibes, internet schizos, and meth.
>>540321603>>540321853based shill killer
>>540330899>>540330309unbased reddit spacing chatgpt faggotniggersgo back
>>540330899>paul explicitly saying that the patriarchs and the great saints were witnesses?he did not. 1 Thessalonians 4.>scripture was not "given" like the book of mormon was "given." every book in the NT was written after jesus' earthy mission had concluded.by his apostles who he gave the Holy Spirit.> "the gates of hell would never prevail against it,"gates are a defensive measure. the Church is the one attacking. the roman catholic church succumbed because it was never on the attack but a prostitute who spread her legs.>source: vibes, internet schizos, and meth.no, sober observation. youre the one who is high on satans opium copium.
>>540315512>that brick thing
>>540315468Then where is the soot?This is not the fist time I've asked a jewish German this question
>>540331360>1 Thessalonians 4if you are talking about Paul saying "our brothers who sleep in death" it is literally because in the original koine greek, he used the word "koimaomai" which was a common greek euphemism for dying. in greek he says "our brothers who have fallen asleep," and he does not use the word "death," because the word "death" was added by translators who thought english speakers would be unfamiliar with the explicit greek euphemism.but you wouldnt know these things if youre a retarded vibes heretic who thinks he can understand theology better than the people he put on earth explicitly to explain theology to you (priests, bishops, and monks).>gates are a defensive measure. the Church is the one attacking. the roman catholic church succumbed because it was never on the attack but a prostitute who spread her legs.that is bizarre pilpul and shows a deep misunderstanding of the original aramic. the phrase jesus was using is literally how people expressed the idea of being conquered by. to translate the idiomatic speech, jesus is saying "the gates of hell will not conquer it.">no, sober observation. youre the one who is high on satans opium copium.maybe read something written by an actual church father who spent his entire life meditating, praying, and teaching the faith, rather than some schizo you found on tiktok.
>>540316947There are plenty of homes made of brick in North America. Some climates don't work well with brick construction.
>>540317271truly Shinto is the way
>>540315340>Stone survives fire.My frying pan has miraculously survived similar conditions for five years yet no qt pilgrim girls come to my place to look at it.
>>540332900It's carved granite, not wood.
>>540332337>Then where is the soot?Cleaned off by the photographer, it's not in the ruins is it?
>>540328020What's funny to me is youre the obvious moron lol
>>540332766>than the people he put on earth explicitly to explain theology to you (priests, bishops, and monks).ahahaha, he gave us the apostles and the Holy Spirit. not transgressors. death is sleep until the judgement.>"the gates of hell will not conquer it."doesnt change the fact that gates are a defensive measure. Im pretty sure Jesus knew what gates are used for.>written by an actual church fatherfallible man instead of the inspired Word of God. go worship your traditions of men heathen, you dont even acknowledge Jesus divine nature.he warned us about your kind, the great apostasy and falling away from the faith.rip bud.
>>540315967Now post the rabbi numbers. Just to be fair, do it for New York, Los Angeles, and Israel only. No need to use the entire world.It is far worse.
>>540315468#justidolaterthings
>>540330747> This is why Europe is being conquered by Islamlol conquered? They're being let in by politicians despite the people not wanting it. Muslims aren't conquering anything, there's just plenty of parliamentary traitors to go around. All these people who, I assure you, aren't Christian themselves.
>>540333249>Muslims aren't conquering anythingAnd they basically go to live in ghettos. It's like how Jews lived in Europe until WW2.
>>540315576I think there's been enough verified Mary apparitions and associative miracles to at the very least, treat her as a saint.
>>540333353Her veneration goes quite a bit beyond canonization though.
>>540333072i never denied jesus's divinity you actual schizo >doesnt change the fact that gates are a defensive measure. Im pretty sure Jesus knew what gates are used for.so in your opinion the bible is so easy and simple to understand, yet jesus speaks in a way that can only be understood properly by schizo internet retards after what he said has been translated into greek, then into latin, then into english? right...>ahahaha, he gave us the apostles and the Holy Spirit. not transgressors. Acts 20:28>Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.oopsie looks like paul seems to think the holy spirit chose leaders to lead the flock >death is sleep until the judgement.and your only proof of that comes from the fact that you don't understand koine greek and misunderstood an english translation of paul's words...right...
>>540333612>I assume the latter because you seem to attribute divinity to Jesus>>540328884>yet jesus speaks in a way that can only be understood properly by schizo internet retardsMatthew 1310 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.”15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed,lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their earsand understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’>oopsie looks like paul seems to think the holy spirit chose leaders to lead the flockyep, and we are told to test the spirits.>and your only proof is scripture
>>540333353>And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
>>540315487>God's ways are not for us to understand.>God works in mysterious ways.>God is telling us something; we just have to open our hearts and minds to understand.
>>540315512tpbp
>>540333859i'm sorry but citing passages where jesus talks badly about unbelievers and saying "THIS IS YOU" is not an argument. >>I assume the latter because you seem to attribute divinity to Jesusi think this is more proof positive that you are a literal giga-retard because that statement does not state nor imply that its author does not believe in jesus.>>and your only proof >is scripturethen prove soul sleep with scripture you giga retard your last attempt only proved you don't know anything about greek, paul, or the gospels
>>540334221>"THIS IS YOU" is not an argument.it is>then prove soul sleep with scriptureJohn 1111 After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.” 12 The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” 13 Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died
>>540334371>John 1111 After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.” 12 The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” 13 Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died"again... "fallen asleep" was a common euphemism for death. all the contemporary literature used it. maybe jesus is making a point about how his power over life and death makes resurrection as trivial as waking someone up, but how on earth do you stretch that to mean that jesus is referring to the "soul sleep" heresy?
>>540334609because Jesus said plainly that he died and was asleep.how much jewish pilpul do you need to contort the plain written words of Jesus?
>>540334672lol
>>540315340Fake and gay
>>540334672why do you contort what jesus meant when he said he founded his church on peter and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it?you seem to selectively read into things based on vibes alone and not with any regard to greek, aramaic, biblical history, or church tradition.
>>540334830>churuh tradtionfound your problemMark 75 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” 6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,“‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”
>>540334901you have no idea what any of those verses mean and are literally just latching onto key words and reading meaning into the text that isn't there. you are a literal 70IQ retard
>>540335077>I refuse the plain written black on white Wordthanks for your concession
>>540333939>burns your shit down>don't think about it bro lololslave mentality
