There's a big reason why the 2nd Amendment is so important and cherished in American culture especially in the more, "Conservative," side of things. However, I don't believe even the biggest III%er type knows or understands the significance of it.In the late 18th century in European societies, only people of the upper class could afford to or did carry weapons of any kind. These aristocrats looked at their people the same way the present oligarchs all look at us now: stupid, weak, undisciplined and therefore unworthy of carrying a weapon. Most people in Europe were subjects to higher authority and not citizens in a Commonwealth.Carrying a weapon signified to most people you were a free man of station. A weapon was how you defended yourself from challenges to your property, your rights, your honor and reputation. The very act of carrying a weapon in America is - whether Americans consciously know this or not - is a statement that says>"I am a free man and I am subject to no one. I will not tolerate being aggressed upon and I can and will retaliate against it with lethal force."For literally every single adult male in America to have this right was a statement and, historically, American familiarity with firearms, weapons and violence is way the American Warrior has always been recognized as a cut above the rest. It is only in recent times as domestication of this continent has made our society fat and lazy that this has changed.That is the real reason why the Second Amendment is the last hill so many people will die on. That is why among more Patriotic types the sort of, "gunko pop," mentality exists. Just having any of these weapons stockpiled in your home in Europe a hundred years ago would be grounds for the State to kick in your door. It is a statement that needs to be tied back into the spirit that once motivated it.
good post
>>540333793Inb4 ten million euro trash pretend to confuse a tool that is a precondition to resistance to tyranny with a straw man claim that possessing the tool is resistance itself.
>>540333793is it because gun tickle fara cattle?
>>540333793Firearms are the basic tool of government, modern nation-states, and civilization itself.Civilization and nations are founded on Law.Laws are enforced at the end of the chain by men with guns. That is how citizens in civilization are brought to adhere to the Law. Otherwise nobody would bother or obey laws (without any firearm-wielding enforcer behind those backing it up).There's no country on Earth today whose laws are enforced by men wielding—solely—wooden clubs, brass knuckles, or fly swatters. They use firearms.*Guns, small arms are the basic connective tissue of how the Law and civilization is maintained.*Firearms then are key cardinal tools of governments to preserve their own legitimacy. Without the guns, these firearm-wielding agents, no compliance would be obtained or ultimately obtainable. That is why the globalists are so desperate to disarm America nationwide.
>>540333793Literally every English peasant was armed with a bow mandatorily.
>>540334758When was that law written, and when was it repealed?
>>540333793Amen
>>540334618Rights are suspended threats of mass violence from governed towards the government.Laws are suspended threats of violence from the government towards the governed.When the threat is lacking, a law is a suggestion, and a right is a request. All large human systems are networks of threats.
>>540334758>>540334965Civilizations generally peak when the middle class is largest and most heavily armed. This was also true of England.
>>540333793boomer copethe reason is niggersnow kill yourself
>>540333793sadly we no longer have proper aristocrat weapons, we have laser accurate reaper machines that take all the fun out of everything.
>>540333793The historic fluff is cool and all, but personally the main reason I own guns is because I know a race war is inevitable and I don't want to get gulag'd by a shitskin horde; at least not without a fight.
>>540334083Something else I wish Americans would understand is that we were never supposed to have the Military Industrial Complex or massive, full-time standing armies. I think people because of video games and anachronistic thinking assume things have always been this way but that's not true. Almost every single time the US went to war before Korea we had to build and arm our forces from scratch. What's crazy about this is that it was all of these armies that were undefeated.The Founders would be aghast at the idea of the massive array of alphabet agencies and legions spread out all across the world in the name of the Republic they started and would certainly think it had fallen at last if they saw the sheer scale of the ability foreign lobbies have to throw our fighting men at their problems.
>>540337625Even police forces like the modern world understands them would be absolutely shocking to people in the past. Turns out whites never had nor needed vast armies of mercenaries roaming amongst them, sworn only to the state, able to deal out death and judgement at will. The only time in history things like modern police appeared were right before civilizations fell into chaos and disarray.
>>540334618The barebones nature of our law enforcement apparatus before the 1960s would really shock some people. I had ancetors who were policemen of various kinds. You were expected to provide your own firearm. The positions many times were voluneer or paid very little by today's standards even ranking benefits. All of them still had full-time jobs or grew, raised and hunted their own food - sometimes both.I would also argue that while laws are enforced by violence, yes, the only way you can have a free society where Law is the ultimate authority and not the State itself is in a homogenous, high-trust society of morally conscientious actors. No other kind of society can maintain a system like that.This is why going all the way back to the 19th century America has slowly begun to centralize and citizens have lost their agency. We are literally losing the capacity to govern ourselves. It's also no great shock that this coincides with having less Americans in the country and I don't just mean non-White ones.
>>540334758Being armed and trained so the king can throw you at his next problem =/= A society of free men being allowed to be armed and equipped with the same weapons as professional soldiers.
>>540337281Suppression of slave revolts was a part of it too, I'm not sure why you're so angry.
>>540337625>we were never supposed to have>MIC>full-time standing armiesCentralized gigantic federal government, correct. It began in earnest immediately after World War II>1947 National Security Act>founding of the CIA>Cold War vs. Warsaw Pact and communist China in global geopolitics frameworkalthough some of the administrative state aspects of the Washington D.C. swamp took shape during the Depression 1930s.The federal government we have now 2026, and the multi-trillions $$ required to sustain it, along with its global reach were never envisioned by The Founders.
>>540337430Says the guy who's never been in a firefight like ever.
>>540337585Based.
>>540333793blablablablaempty words circle jerkyou wont do shitNew York is ruled by a communist muslim and you arent doing shitthere is no point when you ever will
>>540337896counter strike is not real, big guy.
>>540337941>he thinks i feel bad for yankeesI'm not that kind of American, Hans.
>>540337974Did I say it was?
>>540333793Based. I still think niggers shouldn't get guns tho.
>>540338065Did I say anywhere that they should?
>>540338065There isn't a place in a decent society for an unarmed class of men. Disarmed male populations are an inherently degenerate idea and the very notion of it creates further degeneracy.Our statements are not in conflict.
>>540337825>high trust society>centralize>govern ourselvesCorrect, 'policing' in America was traditionally akin to being a volunteer firefighter, community and regionally oriented.It was only in the late 19th and 20th century that the focus on permanent institutional law enforcement establishments mostly in large urban centers (e.g. Chicago, New York City) that are not "high trust" areas; certainly over the past hundred years many of these have devolved into lawless free fire zones.Concomitant to this is the general dumbing-down of the mass populace, the American 'education' system, and total lack of basic civic training and awareness of what a constitutional republic is, and how all Americans have a role in that. In order to participate you first must have the lowest-bar rudimentary conception of what it is and means. (NPCs today have a vague, highly globalist, CIA Factbook, or post-WWII European 'parliamentary democracy' analogic impression, of what it means to be an American; that is pathetic but also intentional)Responsibility—for being an American and member of one's own community—must be taken, and it isn't so hard or requiring excess brain power.
>>540333793https://youtu.be/HwqjZ84gD_c
>>540333793Based.
>>540337878the 2nd amendment was never an issue in american life until the passage of the civil rights act and the movement of blacks to citiesthe only reason the 2nd amendment is important to you is because of niggersand you dress your shit up in useless lofty boomerisms because when push comes to shove you'll cuck out like the faggit you are.we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for boomer garbage like you.
>>540338015oh reallyand the south isnt full of nigger cities?
>>540338163All correct. The reason we have all these massive organized police forces is because of multiculturalism and niggers. That's it. They were totally unneccessary before.Why could you get hard narcotics at the drug store? Niggers weren't buying them and tweaking out all over the place.Why did Prohibition really happen? Low impulse control trash from Europe and niggers couldn't be trusted with alcohol.What is the ultimate justification for every single piece of totalitarian law enforcement practice? Niggers would just run rampant without it.
>>540333793The Bill of rights only applies to the federal governmentStates can ban gunsOnly liberal queers say otherwiseThat’s what our founding fathers set up. Liberals incorporated. Real conservichads hate the14th amendment
>>540338294How is making people understanding Foundational American Political Theory a, "lofty boomerism?" Nowhere in the thread have I denied that niggers are a problem.It's a lack of appreciation for our philosophy and a distance of ourselves from our responsibility as citizens that is the reason a lot of things are shit.Don't talk crazy to me. Until you've stood, on your race, as a White man, in a prison with NO organized White gangs, fought and carried the scars in life to prove you aren't a little cuck - even WITHOUT a firearm - don't sit there and act like you're all high and mighty and gonna come down and save us all.
>>540338382That's really not exactly my fault. It's more the fault of your nigger-loving cousins who all came over here and overwhelmingly fought for the Union against Americans and forced all the niggers to be free, but then of course all the Unionist faggots passed laws to keep niggers from even coming into their states and gave the niggers guns and legal protection to do whatever they wanted.
>>540333793I don't think that's correct. In fact I would guess that outside of strict German states, most people in Britain and it's colonies had firearms. Every American colonist outside of maybe Boston or New York, had to hunt for their food every single year. What they were against was a government that would restrict that authority and confiscate weapons and enforce martial law.
>>540338451States can't ban guns. That isn't how our Constitutional government was originally set up. They can't outright ban firearms ownership.>Real conservichads hate the 14th amendmentTrue and Based.
>>540333793Freedom of speech is a double edged sword, it is the tool that certain types use to brainwash your youth to follow Marxism or mutilate their genitalia and if freedom of speech is absolute, it protects them too. At some point you have to realize that absolute freedom produces more evil than good and it is necessary to limit it in a way that will prevent evil outcomes while ideally allowing good outcomes.
>>540338662The real problem was the introduction of foreigners who were the ones who created all these changes.
>>540338662Listen polack, ima give you some real deal esoteric US constitutional knowledge that most Americans don’t even know.The first word of the first amendment is: Congress.That means only Congress. That means states can restrict speech, religion, the press. States can permit these things too, but they can suppress them. That’s what the founding fathers established.14th amendment debauchary is what made the bill of rights incomprehensible to the common man
>>540338844Every amendment after the Bill of Rights was a mistake, especially the 14th and 19th.
>>540338656The entire bill of rights only applied to the federal government. That was the constitution set up by the founders. US v. Cruikshank demonstrates this.States can also allow guns as much as they want, militias are state institutions after all, serving at the will of the state, and disbanded at the will of the same.We can argue the correctness of this, but it’s certain the founding fathers didn’t mind states dispossessing criminals of guns
>>54033891317th hurt too. Ruined the government aristocracy. (Which admittedly was corrupt, not terribly more so than today though)
>>540338844modern republican and democrat don't give a damn about what the state can or can't suppress. Everyone is a lincolnian now. They all want big government overreach to save them. This country will never work.
>>540338614what retarded horseshitthe vast majority of the army were anglos, just like you
>>540339850I have German immigrant ancestors who fought for the south
>>540339880based
>>540339892Most likely conscripted but yeah you don't hear about Germans because the western theater is not as famous as the east
>>540338614You seem in the know about a lot, but the fact is the Civil war was a psyop and both sides were being run by the usual suspects (and whigs). Just another mass human sacrifice. The union actually had tens of thousands of desertions when emancipation was announced.
>>540339850Not true. Over 40% of the Union Army were foreign-born.
>>540333793>"conservative"
>>540339880They're an extreme minority, though. Many Germans were Pro-Union or at least had abolitionist tendencies.
>>540340160Sure it was bro. Sure it was. I'm so glad your anachronistic favorite faction in all of this was just right all the time. Still a SouthNat. Dixie still did nothing wrong.
>>540340205you like to make up shit, you nigger>>540340225and? so did Angloswas Lincoln a german or what?
>>540333793We know you're terrified of the niggers you played catch and release with, no other place on earth ever released millions of slaves from an entirely different race and culture into their population.
>>540338958>States can also allow guns as much as they want, militias are state institutions after all, serving at the will of the state, and disbanded at the will of the same."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."- St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803No the founders weren't OK with states ruling on arms either.
>>540333793you're subjected to foreign influenced faggots from the entire world who hates you (especially the UK, they aren't your greatest ally. they want to own you with vengeance).your politicians are faggots trying to sell you as nigger cattle so they can dine in luxury.you're subjected to arbitrary globalized tyranny attempting to erase your american heritage every day.they work it through your police, your healthcare, your schools, your media.yet you remain unbroken.they simply can't figure out the fact that free people can kill them too.they hate that.
>>540340225For sure, but my German forebearer was German. There were several European nationalities in the south, especially in Louisiana. I just like people to know because Germans are always stereotyped as yankees. I don't think they wanted to fight the war because at home would have meant conscription into ongoing wars. Germans had no problem slaughtering each other in 1866 either in the Austrian-Prussian war. Pick your poison I guess.
>>540338958if america is too hard for you you can always kill yourself.you really won't be the first to do so.
>>540337430>we have laser accurate reaper machinesYou no gunz faggots are so easy to spot. Give obviously never fired a gun and comments like the above make it painfully obvious.
>>540340289Not true. The Egyptian Mamluke empire was quite literally former slaves.
>>540340246>I'm so glad your anachronistic favorite faction in all of this was just right all the time.But that's what I'm telling you to stop doing. I literally pointed out how the union was being run by jews and whigs and you accuse me of being pro union because I don't also simp for the jews and whigs in the south.
>>540340435there are a bunch of anglo shills on this board that try to frame germans for starting the civil warwhich is absolutely laughable
>>540340268Nah, Lincoln is old Massachusetts stock
>>540340534Germans showed up to a fight that had been brewing for 30+ years. They were strong abolitionists though and were brutally zealous. But these are Germans that were more entrenched in American life or 2nd generation. Some of them were exiled socialists.
>>540340603of coursethere was also a huge anti slavery movement dominated by anglos"the little woman who wrote the book that started this great war"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Beecher_Stowe
>>540340534Many Germans were yankees in spirit but many were also just useless golems for the war machine. The real yankee republican was the real cause of the war. They were fellow anglos.
>>540340717exactly
>>540340392Hyper based!
>>540340268Nope, those statistics are all verifiable and pretty well-known to any student of the American Civil War.
>>540341595what statistics?that Lincoln was a german?
>>540340289Deal with your own problems in Australia before you throw stones from a glass house.
>>540340527Your depiction of the South's actual aristocracy or those in government couldn't be more wrong. It's a weird strawman and all you have is Judah P. Benjamin who never did the Confederacy wrong, not even after the war when he was living in Britain and it would've been completely to his advantage to do so.
>>540340698She's just proof women shouldn't be allowed to publish or engage in the political process. Which - guess what? - the Founders all didn't deny.
>>540341610No, that the majority of the Union Army was foreign-born you ESL faggot.
>>540341701youre story changes every time
>>540340209Then every single Marxist-Leninist government disarmed its citizens. Civilians had more gun rights under Hitler, and he even got rid of the more restrictive Weimar policies.
>>540341663So you maintain that the Confederate government had no former whigs in it, nor any connections to jews domestic or foreign.
>>540333793Lot's of wordsYou won't do anythingJust be honest and say "we want guns for fun"You're not using them for any other reason
>>540341663>Davis gets arrested >Benjamin successfully flees kek
>>540333793
>>540343817I didn't say that, just that the conclusion you are drawing from these connections is bullshit.
>>540345317Yeah and Davis was never convicted of anything. Also, Benjamin and Davis both fled. So I don't see your point - and it's a good thing Benjamin did, too, because he took all records of the Confederacy's spy ring with him.
