Well that's fucking retarded
BRB rowing to america with a windmill assembly kit.
>>540363722midwest germans weren't as retarded as their cousins apparently
>>540363722thanks for the tip
>>540363722Thanks for the shekels.
Kek bongland did the same to us when they cancelled that sub program
>>540363722thankshttps://www.rwe.com/en/refunds/
Trump wasn't wrong when he said you were losing money on every single win turbine rotation.
It is fucking retarded. Why not let the Germans finish, and then sell the windmills back to some other schmuck cuck euro country.
It's good, we don't want those Chinese spy towers watching over our oceans.
>>540363722I don't get it
>>540363722>the party of fiscal responsibility
>>540366083>I don't get it>Jeo Boden signs contract to buy wind turbines>Orange man cancels contract and pays the penalty because wind = woke or something
>>540363722>The U.S. Department of the Interior agreed to reimburse RWE $1.22 billion to relinquish offshore wind lease rights in the New York Bight, as well as off the coasts of California and Louisiana.so we are refunding their lease payment? oh wow, drumpf btfo!
>>540366738>TACO'd again award
>>540366738 >so we are refunding their lease payment? Yep , besides , wind has an EROI below survival .So , nobody needs this fake crap here.
>>540364195>Trump wasn't wrong when he said you were losing money on every single win turbine rotationYes .>>540368947>goes full retard.>>540367374
>>540369026>muh fake data>muh nuclear
>>540363722Pay up mutts
>>540363722Is the oil lobby that strong?
>>540368947Here's a chart that is not from 2013
>>540371044hydro is so greatthe best thing everwe should damn every fuckign river
>>540363797Check hungary and how their bet on nuclear power turned out for them:> https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hungary-energy-crisis-paks-nuclear-plant-shutdown-1812036Meanwhile in Germany:> https://www.acebattery.com/blogs/germany-solar-power-record-energy-storage-solutions-2026Also, thank you Trump! Keep the payments coming!
>>540363722This is good....our turn for start building wind power stations and get money to not build them.
>>540371430>Check hungary and how their bet on nuclear power turned out for them:because they have old nuclear plants>solarthe entire EU energy grid is kept alive by french nuclear powerno amount of green cope will change that
>>540363722that's the price of freedom
>>540363722we really blew it by not advancing nuclear power. At least china has kept the industry alive.
>>540371544>because they have old nuclear plantsThey had to shut it off because of low water levels. A new one needs cooling too.>the entire EU energy grid is kept alive by french nuclear powerThis is false. Germany has enough capacity to on it’s own. If we import from other countries, it’s always because it’s temporarily cheaper if another country has overcapacity.
>>540371544>Danube runs out of water because old nuclear plants
>>540363722No its smart. With wind energy you would get cheap energy which would be in competition with energy made of oil. Which means Trumps friends and big lobbyists would get as much money as they could.God forbid to use local private owned solar energy. Then every energy company loses. Everything woudl be decentralized. This cannot be. This would be communism.
>lol
>>540371739>>540371748new nuclear plants need way less cooling water you fucking green doltsand the entire european grid is kept alive by french nuclear power and they have hot weather as well>Germany has enough capacity to on it’s own. If we import from other countries, it’s always because it’s temporarily cheaper if another country has overcapacity.fucking liar
It would cost more energy to make, ship and install them to America than they would ever generate.
>>540363722Hey, chat, is this real?
>>540363797Nuculular is just a small amount of muttistan power generation.You have the most in the world but still very small.And we have no indigenous uranium so it would be retarded to be dependent for your power on some third world shithole.
>>540371751Not one single country has created cheap renewable energy, and that's with the globohomo slave industrial complex pouring Every Single Resource into it.It's a scam. It's all one big fucking scam.
>>540363722Wind power works, but the better designs are locked up in patent hell
>>540371544>energy grid is kept alive by french nuclear power>The french nuclear power in questionGermany is a net exporter of electricity to France btw.
>>540363722I’m gonna give you a billion dollers to fuck off.
>>540372006only because they take our solar and wind when we produce too muchthey dont need any of thatbecause they have nuclear powerfucking retardour entire grid would collpase without France because our electricity is unreliable>three nuclear reactorsthey have over 50 you fuckign retardd
>>540371836>fucking green doltsOh i thought you think nuclear power is "green" and that you want green energy?>and they have hot weather as wellYeah, they had to shut down 3 plants as well due to the heat.Nuclear power is dumb. It makes us depended on reactor fuel imports and it’s not a stable power source during heat waves. Think about it, we now have load shedding and rolling blackouts in the EU. This used to be a thing in africa. Now it’s here, and not because of solar and wind, it’s because of nuclear power fails during the heat!
>>540371836>new nuclear plants need way less cooling waterThat is not true. Even the newest existing NPPs still just use the same gas turbines with exactly the same cooling requirements.
>>540372056You pay in real money, you pay us in Euro.
>>540371961Examples?
>>540372107>>540372110France has ove 50 nulear power plants running you fucking green doltsdo facts even entire your amoebic brains?
>>540363722>Well that's fucking retardedThat's Trumps America right there
>>540363722How come wind power works fine for the UK, NL and DK but we don’t do that in USAmany
>>540372006maybe check the economics of it. How much money do you get for exporting energy vs how much money do you pay for importing it? It's a massively negative balance for Germany.
>>540363722trump really is the final season of murrica. dont think they can top this.
>>540372183>do facts even entire your amoebic brains?Fact is, the load shedding currently happening in the EU is because of nuclear power and not solar or wind. Hungary is going into nuclear darkness.You lost, it’s over for nuclear.
>>540372319>t's a massively negative balance for Germany.That number alone is meaningless. You have to factor in how much it costs to build, maintain and retire 50 NPPs.
>>540372104>they dont need any of that>because they have nuclear powerrussia and kazakhstan were recycling frog uraniumniger was providing them with uranium all of these deals post 2022... gone... like tears... in rainfrance will shut down its plants, just like you did
>>540372442without nuclear power the entire european elctricity would shut downyou fucking retard
>>540372158Would you like to upgrade to a large fries?
>>540363722>what is a contractI swear, every time /pol/ faggot defects to reddit, the average IQ of both boards goes up.
>>540372548>without nuclear power the entire european elctricity would shut downSame is true for any other energy source that we are currently relying on.Nuclear bros are really dumb.
>>540372548No we would just start coal power up.Not nice for green retards but no collapse.
>>540366537Wind is sub-optimal to Solar and Nuclear.The main issue that no one but engineers talk about is the gyroscopic effect and wear from it on standard wind turbines.My area has a LOT of steady wind, and 10hrs~ of sunlight a day.In the area we've seen people try both, I run solar.All the guys that had windmills have inconsistent power generation and major wear and tear.Plus it was ridiculously over priced.Solar on the other hand has been the easiest to maintain, and much more consistent energy generation.
>>540372548Nah that's bullshit. Thermal power plants are much more flexible and better at maintaining a stable grid.
>>540372667hu what?there isnt even any wind currentlyfuckign retard
Why?
>>540372675well, that defeats the entire purpose then
how do chuds cope with deep red texas being the biggest renewable state in the US?
>>540372733FUCK windmills and FUCK YOU
>>540372447If it is cheaper to gift money to France instead of building a power grid that can run on solar / wind energy, will such a power grid ever become sustainable?People here also mentioned that NPPs need water for cooling. Do you think such a power grid can be realized without water as a working media (i.e. Pumpspeicher)? It's quite literally the same problem.
>>540363722Don't let Germans run your energy policy, ever.
murder every fucking green in this countrylow IQ dolts
>>540371888Now we are dependent on chyna and the US
>>540372744Neighter is importing Chinese solar sells which are 50% cheaper and while German ones are 25% more efficient.
>>540372811>If it is cheaper to gift money to France instead of building a power grid that can run on solar / wind energy, will such a power grid ever become sustainable?>>540372811>>540372811>Do you think such a power grid can be realized without waterBatteries exist and you need gas as a backup for emergencies anyways. Might as well use them rarely when there's neither wind nor sun.Pumpspeicher is very different. You can't build those anywhere at a river. You need a mountain since efficiency depends on how high the drop is.
>>540372996>muh batteriesholy fuckign shitjust kille these fuckign cunts
>>540372978A boat load of solar panels still imports way more energy than a boat load of coal.
>>540373064Batteries can store a lot of energy every home with solar has batteries to keep the surplus gained over the day for later usage I thought germans are smart and know a thing or two about solar, batteries etc.
>>540363722Just doing the bidding of his Saudi overlords, nothing to see here
>>540373099I rather have made in Germany made with German jobs okay.
>>540373161you run your electical grid on batteries frirst, chinkyou think Im sutpid?
Solar and battery economics are good now. Build nukes too though. Can’t have enough energy.
>>540373378>you think Im sutpid?uhh yea :D
>>540373521please go ahaed chinkrun your entire electrical grid on fucking batterieswhile in reality you build more nuclear and coal
>>540373064>muh batteriesBattery prices are so cheap, it's basically a non-issue.Building the infrastructure to attach them and determining a reasonable schedules to charge and discharge them is more challenging.It would really help if we had dynamic electricity prices and dynamic feed-in compensation.
We would have been full nuclear now if women didn't have voting rights since it's them pissing themselves because some dogshit communist plant melted down ~60 years ago. It's like refusing to use fire since some retard burned down his hut.Also wind is dogshit.
>>540373743Instead we have this retarded system where the most expensive energy source determines the price even if it contributes only 1%.
>>540373743>it would really help if we destroy our entire industry
>>540372978>German ones are 25% more efficientwdym? 25% MORE efficient than chinese ones? huh? that'd be CRAZY, you must be mixing up some stats lol there is an efficiency stat in solar cel capture of sunlight and the maximum theoretical is 30% while the rest is heatgerman ones usually hover around 23.5%chinese hover around 24% and are leaders chinese are also super cheap because of the economy of scale WHICH ALSO helps you, since german panels rely on chinese cell wafers however a few days ago china shattered the world record at 29.2% efficiency https://okdiario.com/techy/en/trina-solar-set-a-world-record-with-a-commercial-panel-at-29-2-efficiency-and-907-watts-verified-independently-by-tuv-sud/7014/>>540373695well china has nuclear because chinese nuclear is thorium you don't know how to make thorium plants you have nigerian and kazakhstan uranium and that is all in the past >>540372494
>>540373952that energy is what saves our asses every daywithout that we would have blackouts every day
>>540374083And that's why we need price fixing? Is that your argument?
>>540374054that doesnt answer why you dont run your electrical grid on fucking batteries, you dishonest chinkesepcailly since you gloat how great your batteries supposedly areyou dont even believe your own shit
>>540363722The wind is getting in the way of oil profits.
>>540374146im trying to get into your fuckign head, that france is keeping our entire country aliveif Germany would have to rely on our own electcity we would already be deadand everything else you read in our traitorous press about that is a lie
>>540372691Trump is stopping wind for oil though.
>>540366738Literally fine and reasonable
>>540374155batteries are pretty cool ngl I just parachuted into your rage reply chain because it was funny I'm not against making nuclear and coal (coal just as an emergency reserve tho) but batteries and solar and wind and hydro are a must too but I don't see europe making more NPPyou guys aren't Rostom lol not even close your one boutique plant every 3 years is not profitable because you don't know how to mass make them and you have no uranium
>>540374229You are just making that claim out of your ass. The German power grid is designed to run independently from France and is generally very stable.
>>540374417then run your chinese grid on batteries, if your batteries are so greatdont lecture us about that stupid shit>>540374420utter liar
>>540371888Nuclear fuel bundles can be bought in advance and then used during wartime. Pipeline gas is very cheap but vulnerable. Renewables and coal are local resources, but not necessarily the best option in peacetime. The idea that we need to be 100% independent from America's enemies all the time is bullshit. That's just economic sabotage meant to enrich the mutts. Funny how people who pretend to hate Trump demand Germany's eternal devotion to our worst enemy.
>>540372996There is a mechanical energy storage solution. It's called oil
>>540363722It's called a 'buy out'.When you want out of a contract, you just pay them an agreed sum to end it prematurely.
>>540374595oil is chemical energy retard
>>540374054Maybe my mind was from a few years ago when we were that much more efficient. Chinese are not dumb like poopjeets of course they would bang us eventually since our retarded leader want to play muuh fair trade economy while China has state capitalism which we can't compete against.
>>540374669when it gushes out of the ground for free it's mechanical
>>540374537you can't be independent from america because you lost the war, you have no nukes, your fighter jets are american, your military tech is american, your software is american, your banking system is american and you have rammstein on your soilso when americans tell you to go to war against russia or china or whatever you must...
>>540369725Not really. All wind power plants are heavily subsidized. The gowernment agrees to a certain price and pays that price no matter what for every W they produce. It's cheaper to pay them upfront than to pay them for decades when they produce electricity that is not needed (usually when it's windy it's overproduction of electricity and tye government has to pay gas power plants to shut down, so that wind power plant could keep producing electricity)
>>540374694China is much poorer than Germanyand their entire strategy is to steal ancd cheat
>>540363722Revenue positive. Those pieces of shit cost billions to maintain. There is no such thing as renewable energy. The laws of thermodynamics are undefeated. Also, if you really want to fuck up your climate, start taking wind energy directly out of the atmosphere and tidal energy directly out of the oceans. Burning shit is actually safer for the climate.
It's every western countries own fault that none of them have accomplished cladding their ubiquitous real estate roof areas to a unified PV grid with accompanying storage and load balancing infrastructure IN THE YEAT 2026.They had TWO FUCKING FULL DECADES at minimum to do this.But they didn't. Why?I don't know.Most of those nations debts went into the stratosphere anyhow and they accomplished anything worthwhile for their populace...
>>540374816china stole all your thorium that's why you don't have it...
>>540374965>becomes useless for a great part of the yeargreat strategybrilliant green nigger
>>540374518>utter liarNo evidence. I accept your concession on your initial claim.
>>540371921>China doesn't exist
>>540374326>destroys every part of America to drill for oil>NOT THE WINDMILLS!!!!>/pol/ acts like this isn't retarded.lmao
>>540375078Retards like you should be culled.
>>540363722Only to smoothbrains
>>540375089black line is what we needwhat we produces fluctuates wildly around thatand we need to import every day from France to keep the grid stablehttps://www.energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=de&c=DE
>>540372667Fucking intellectual over here.
>>540375159you dont even live in Germany, right?only a small part of the year do we have regular sun
>>540375078>>540372708are you an american in germany?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIAwR4z7qdc
>>540375402>we need to import every day from FranceThe maximum capacity of the connections between Germany and France is like 5% of our total electricity demand. If you think we don't have 5% overcapacity than I have to doubt that you are German.
>>540374965Seeing as there's not enough PV in the entire world to achieve a quarter of that, I guess total global catastrophe was inevitable.
>>540375959hu what? we have to import several gigawats ev everyday to keep the grid stable
>>540363722Why do we have to pay? Wtf is Germany gonna do if we just building?
>>540376152>there's not enough PV in the entire world to achieve a quarter of thateh? who told you that? Toyoda?
>>540376194Prove it. We import electricity because we would have to burn more gas otherwise. The German grid ran perfectly fine in 2022 when France shut down half of their NPPs.
>>540374774STFU shitskin. We can implode America's ability to control Europe but our astroturfed traitor regime simply doesn't want to. There have been plenty of opportunites to stab the mutts in the back, especially since that mongrel kike Trump became burger king.
>>540376500in 2022 we still had our nuclear plants, you dolt
And how does that support your claim?
>>540376384The power bill told me that. If PV had any hope of solving the problem it would already be solved, retard.
>>540376534>we are slaves but we are superior ok?you're lashing out on me because I'm right
>>540372107>it’s because of nuclear power fails during the heat!why can't solar and wind make up the difference?
>>540376828>The power bill told me that.anon power bills don't have vocal cords
>>540377043Correct. Power bills don't lie.
>>540376613Yes three remaining one with like 4giga watts combined. That's like 5% of the total demand. Now you're just being retarded on purpose.
>>540377194hu?5% is what you jut said is what we can import from France anyway
>>540374669It's fossil fuel that stores chemical energy. I thought you people were all engineers?
>>540377882>fossiloh, he didn't get the memo...
>>540377448Good ragebaiting in this thread. It’s sad however that there are actually people in real life that are this retarded and still advocate for nuclear
>>540378134anonFrance send electricity to us every fucking day
>>540372926>nowoh you sweet summer child
>>540378258Retard we are a net exporter
>>540378479did you just change your VPN and repeat the same shit youve said the entire thread?
>>540378583Do you still not get this after getting btfod at every step ?
>>540366537Like everything that motivates orange man, it's about petty spite. Scotland built some wind turbines near his golf course and since then he's vowed to do everything in his power to wipe it out at any cost. And since he's the king with no other US government branch willing to go against him, wind energy must be crushed.But wind energy is still making great progress here despite decades of Republican attempts to destroy it in favor of oil bribes.
>>540378635paying others to take our electricity is not "net exporter"
>>540378709Not understanding the European electricity market (or in your case also not understanding the German market) is sad. Keep advocating for nuclear though, definitely not a dead industry for retards !
>>540363722He would have to loose more money by building them.
>>540363722No windmills barely make back their costs in their operational lifespan and the disposal method ruins large tracts of land for anything but grass.
>>540378819hat is exactly how it works, you fuckign retardwe pay others to take the electricity we produce too muchthats not net exporterand nuclear isnt dead, it keeps the entire european grid alive
>>540372006The only reason why they were shut down is because the greens hate nuclears and passed a lot of laws to make the power plant work less. Of course we can have them running by 45°, we already have. But th greens want them shut down.
>>540379008*that
>>540379008> and nuclear isnt dead, it keeps the entire european grid aliveYou are so retarded that I refuse to believe this is ragebait. Imagine unironically writing such shit>>540378963The worst windmills last 20 years and turn a profit after 7 to 12
Why not take delivery of the fucking turbines and sell them to another country? Or was this some deal where the Krauts would manage the wind farm as well? OPs article is fucking useless on details.
>>540379089you know France has 50 nuclear plants running, rightyou fucking dolt>>540379089>windmill turns a profitbecause they are sponsored by the state
