Fight faggots are so annoying. A 12 year old with a knife will win against Mike Tyson. I work out and once fought some dude who did BJJ and I didnt even have to hit it, i pinned him to the ground casually and kept yelling at him to stop. Skills dont mean shit if u dont have muscle mass.
>>540373061Just to be clear the annoying part is everyone chimping out at Jona hill for making a joke. "Oh bro he wouldn't last...". Okay, so fucking what? What are u going to do when I pick up a random rock and Crack your skull? U hit hard and fast enough to knock me out with one punch with those spaghetti arms and tubby belly?
>>540373167>What are u going to do when I pick up a random rockKill you while you've distracted yourself.
>>540373061>A 12 year old with a knife will win against Mike Tyson.12-year-olds can't even protect themselves from rapist school teachers.
>>540373061>>540373167>>540373248>t. faggots
>>540373061Taboo series 2 when?
>>540373061>>>/asp/
>>540373061If it weren't an art, the strong would always win. The difference is that Jonah is a kike, and Tom is an Aryan.
>>540373061if we had decent mods on this board, this non-political internet tough guy larp would be in the trash and OP would be on a 3 day trip
As I progress with jiu jitsu, the less likely I am to fight random guys. I might look somewhat imposing at 6'2 190lb with 20% body fat. But I've discovered that I'm not really that strong, even though I lift.And every time I roll with someone heavier than me, they fuck me up. (I'm not very good)And there's some tiny little guys who beat me every time too. Hell, there's a girl who beats me regularly too. But she's very good.Anyway, it's true, it's quite humbling. You absolutely never know who's going to wreck you.
>>540374018Its all gay. CIA teaches people to take our people 4x their size. Not hard to nick someone vein. Even a midget and reach your thighs. Any positions gives you reach toa. Vital
>>540373061Jonah feldstien is such a pathetic loser
>>540374018Well, one thing i've learned about street fight is no matter what opponent you face, you better run away if the dude is obese. And i mean real fat fucks, all the grease is like an invincibility spell cast on them. They can tank anything (especially when drunk) and the minute they grab you it's GGbuhbye for you.
>>540374259This. No one is afraid of a jew, they are as weak as indians
>>540374018grappling is the state that you are murdered in a streetfight.learn kickboxing and dont risk getting into a conflict where a knife has the final answer.leading people on with the impression that they need bjj in a real life scenario that has spiraled out of control?that's going to get people killed, a relatively effortless loss of a human life that tried to save its own life or otherskickboxing to be quick to engage/disengage, dont get yourself isolated with chimps from several directions
>>540374018Hey bud, just FYI, you're currently having a homosexual spergout. Classic signs. Just stay calm, don't blow any niggers, and it'll pass.
I'm a real BJJ blue belt ama
>>540373061Dude on the left has a white belt ffs.Martial arts are good exercise and great for balance.
>>540377047its a humiliation ritual, probably a punishment but maybe just transactional
>>540376963are you a top or a bottom?
>>540373061very good ragebait thread but i assume 99% of the pajeets and other brown subhumans on this board never did any martial arts and won't fall for your bait.
>>540377110Youve never taken any.Men have trained to fight for thosuands of years.
>>540373061>>540373167Ok hope that works out for you or whatever
>>540373061>fight faggots are so annoying>immediately acts like oneWorkout faggots are all the same
>>540377118It's a lot of fun.
I love bbjs. I usually pay extra for them.
>>540373061> i pinned him to the ground casually and kept yelling at him to stop.Did you rape him?
>>540373061
>>540377118Indian wrestling or "Pehlwani" involves two men in their underwear, wrestling in a ring made of poop. The goal is to pin the other Indian face down in the poop while you mount his buttocks with your groin until he submits.https://youtube.com/watch?v=qnP-ovLQ9Kshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=qnP-ovLQ9Ks
>>540377117Top
>>540374259>fedelstein Who is that?
>>540377489Everything in india is so fucking gross
>>540373061> Skills dont mean shit if u dont have muscle mass.If you don't have skills you're at risk too. When you get to a point where you truly understand a martial art you realize the training is all BS, that the goal is not giving a chance to your opponent.For example, many people think karate is pointless, that it's too robotic. What if I told you the hand you think is to aim is actually supposed to grab, push, pull, blind, etc? It's a two hand system and a punch is always grab and punch. From there you understand karate is the art of "cheating". The goal is not a fair fight.As for having a knife, yeah the person with the knife has the advantage.
>>540377462He looks like a faggot to me.
>>540373061>I work out and once fought some dude who did BJJ and I didnt even have to hit it, i pinned him to the ground casually and kept yelling at him to stopIt's so sad how untrained retards unironically believe they can fight
>>540377185I think people who are bullied or feel weak practice the most, professionals hate fighting and if there was no money in it they wouldn’t do it I trained for a few years and been in enough street fights to know I don’t like it at all, I can relate to the dread gladiators must have felt before entering the arena, when you know it’s on for real I’m sure theres outliers, none that are professional though, wars and battles happen and militaries train for all kinds of reasons and none of them have ever been for ‘fun’ People claiming that are projecting to hide something, not confident enough to be honest, it’s fun to get your teeth knocked out of your mouth with a rockor hammer? Oh wait it’s not and never has been
>>540374572Fatties get crippled if you kick their knees
>>540373061>BJJ
>>540378674>I trained for a few years and been in enough street fights to know I don’t like it at all, I can relate to the dread gladiators must have felt before entering the arena,if you grow up in a horrible neighborhood and get into a lot of conflicts because of it, the fights are over in the mind quicker because of all the adrenaline.the memories that lingers the most is walking away and the sense of metallic taste and smell being so elevated because of all the brain chemicals kicking it at overdrive.maybe the beating sound like a drum of a pulse that is almost in sync with a mindset growing increasingly more narrow while trying to observe for potential armed threat.at worst, you grow more intolerant and take less risk of time between expectation of rationality in othersbut you are right, most professionals only fight if the money is justifying it.just like a bodybuilder who dont drop below 10% bodyfat if theres no show with money on the line.especially if its mma that is intentionally flattering bjj for the sole purpose of entertainment
>>540373061From Jonah Hill's what??
>>540380666
>>540381094Based
>>540380411>From Jonah Hill's what??"development through trial/error and discpline equals humility"jonah hill is a jew, a jew becoming physical is mostly always performative.Tomy Hardy is a proper white who fight for the sake of fightings sake.
>>540379006>One gif>Hundreds of MMA fights that end in a submission
>>540373061Skills don't mean shit if you don't have mass, muscle or otherwise, and you're not going to get "skills" from martial arts. Martial arts are just dancing.
>>540384307>Dancing
>>540383369That gif is of a fight that allowed foot stomps to the head while grabbing the ropes, seems like a pretty strong counter to grappling. If they allowed kicks and knees to the head of a down opponent while you grabbed the fence in MMA there would be a lot more gifs like that.
>>540384916Go watch King of the Streets on YouTube
>>540377910Hey, it's possible he pinned some 2 month white belt lol.
>>540381094He's been putting in the work
>>540384916This is Maurício Rua fighting in Pride where yes, that stuff was allowed. But Pride also had a ton of submission finishes - and most importantly, Rua is BJJ black belt himself.
>>540373061I miss practicing BJJ. I had an infection and can't do it anymore. Perhaps you should give it a chance. It's humbling to get smashed by foids and teens, kek.
>>540373061LAH MAO. Jonah Hillsteingoldmanblatz's a fuckin' kike, the fuck's he gonna do? Fuck's sakes, Brock Lesnar could snap that spineless Jew in two without even fucking trying, and that dude's mostly known for WWE and MMA. They'd have to carry Jonah Kikesteinblatzgoldman-Hill off and out on a goddamn stretcher.
>>540384307Sure, you're not going to get skills from training and mass always wins.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWWWXyVuOos
Iv done krav maga for 12 years. I would take anyone in this thread. Get fucked up nigger
>>540377185you misunderstood me, I am not saying martials art is a humiliation ritual, but that jonahs embarrassing act in public is a humiliation ritual
>>540385352he'll pin them all lmao, haven't you heard he lifts - UNLIMITED PINNING
>>540377462based
>>540385507Kek.
>>540385372Brock Lesnar is an expert grappler himself lol, D1 heavyweight champion wrestler in college.
I really don’t know what it is about BJJ that attracts and cultivates the most delusional obnoxious faggots. If any of you knowers grew up around druggies and nigs like I did, you probably already know this but there’s a big difference between:1. Sport fights2. Street fights 3. Self defense situations 1 looks like fighting in a ring or octagon, where obviously the sport itself is most advantage. 2 looks like some street beef shit where two guys square up and throw down, maybe at a bar fight or whatever. 3 is when a homeless nigger on bath salts attacks you with a knife randomly. BJJnigger desperately want to believe that only does BJJ dominate 1, it dominates all 3. This is pure fantasy. First of all, there is a massive difference between all 3 and the skills don’t exactly transfer over. In an octagon or in a ring, there are rules, expectations, you’re wearing gloves, there’s no weapons, you know exactly who your opponent is and where they are at all times. There’s a degree of certainty you don’t have in 2 and 3 that allows you take certain risks like going to the ground. In 2 you absolutely cannot risk that, and in 3 it’s literally fight for the knife so you don’t bleed out quicker while you slowly bleed out instead and literally anything goes. I’ve dabbled with MMA over the years and as far as I can tell, wrestlers dominate the octagon. So it’s not even the king of #1. I could see how it would be better than most things for 3 but quite honestly if you find yourself in a situation where those skills help along the lines of scenario 3 you’re probably going to die and wrestling is still better anyway. So this BJJ shit is pure delusion by the biggest faggots on the planet. You’ll notice none of these guys actually put their money wear their mouth is either. In the street they only choke out fat old drunks and shit talk. It’s a sport for fucking losers.
>>540385352>foids and teensthat's a stretchhelio didn't allow w*men to go beyond purple belts for a reason
>>540385682You sound like a white trash douche that probably served in detention more then you attended class. I literally don't care what you think or say.
>>540378885Good example of frame. In most combat sports, attacking the knees directly is not allowed. The knees are sensitive and very important joints that if damaged could cripple you forever. So it's just not safe to allow or train direct attacks on them, like say stomping on the cap with all your body weight. Nobody would go to a gym or dojo where any random sparring session could end with never walking unassisted again. But of course in a street fight or self defense, the frame opens up and stomping on knees becomes an extremely valid tactic. Especially against fatties who are already overstressing them. I've even read fencing treatises which advise you to stomp on the knee if it becomes available, but these were of course for duels to the death, not casual sparring for fun.Much of effectiveness comes down to the frame in which you're operating. Punches are completely ineffective in BJJ since they'll just throw you out of the tournament and losing isn't effective obviously. But it's hard to imagine MMA or self-defense without punching.Violence is an esoteric topic, especially melee violence. It's one of the few things where not only do most enthusiasts have no direct experience with it, but where getting experience isn't a smart option. Leads to a lot of theorizing with very little fact to balance on.
>>540384307skills is baseline biomechanics, choreography is merely a symptom or a religious ritual that might do both good and bad for you
>>540377708> For example, many people think karate is pointless, that it's too robotic. What if I told you the hand you think is to aim is actually supposed to grab, push, pull, blind, etc? It's a two hand system and a punch is always grab and punch. From there you understand karate is the art of "cheating". The goal is not a fair fight.That’s well put this is still a little delusional. There’s really only two reasons you’d be fighting. One is because you’re doing it for sport, in which case the whole fair fight thing is kinda faggy. The other is if you’re literally fighting for your life against a feral nig who just rushed you and is stabbing you in the abdomen, in which case not only will karate not save you but neither will this fight unfairly stuff. You know what actually saves you? Well, at that point maybe you have a sliver of a chance of not dying if you deploy incredible speed and aggression to grapple the knife away from your guts but mostly what actually saves you is simply not being around nor relaxing in the first place. 99% of attacks could be avoided if people just learned to look at blacks, browns, obvious crazies and junkies as wild animals, and if they carried a pistol and knew how to maintain distance, draw, and fire. If you are worried about self defense and you spend more time training punches than your pistol draws you’re majoring in the minors.
>>540385800Get stabbed to death by a feral nig than because you thought your BJJ training made you a bad ass for all I care then retard
>>540373061>>540373167I want you to know it was me.
>>540385352> dude BJJ is so SICK and COOL because you get hurt by little girlsThere’s something seriously wrong with BJJniggers
>>540378674>I think people who are bullied or feel weak practice the most,Most of the best, most well-practiced, most composed martial artists I've met have been manlets. Which I think makes sense, they have the most need to master technique.Martial arts are fun though, as long as you go into it with the humility that it's mostly pretend and doesn't make you invincible.
Martial arts are a waste of time for wannabe tough guys and anyone who doesn’t get it is a retard or a faggot
>>540385682BJJ is just super popular right now, which invariably leads to a crush of McDojos and douchebags. The fad'll burn off eventually.It's a great hobby combat sport though. No strikes so you won't get CTE and it's highly skill based due to the ruleset. Very engaging, relatively safe and fun.
>>540373061If one man can hold you down, then two men can rape you.
>>540374018>rollVery gay. Btw 99% of street fights are slugfests and you’ll be hit in the face long before you can straddle your aggressor and choke him with your groin or whatever.
>>540386254Yeah but other combat sport and martial artist hobbyists aren’t like this. I don’t see why popularity should cause all of them to be obnoxious faggots. You never hear wrestlers or boxers talk like this.
>>540386254Btw I agree it can be fun, just like any other sport. It’s a good way to make friends. I’m just saying this shit about becoming a human weapon is fantasy. It has virtually zero real world application.
>>540373061>A 12 year old with a knife will win against Mike TysonRetard>once foughtDouble retard.Gymcels are the bunch of stupidest retards.
>>540386051Being outgrappled by someone half your size is a pretty good demonstration that the shit works. It's inspirational.>>540385894Attacking the knees is perfectly legal in MMA, both with strikes and submissions. Coincidentally, knee injuries are quite common in BJJ when you don't tap fast enough to a leg lock and someone wrecks your shit. >>540385682Every sport has limitations. But BJJ (well, I also retired from MMA) ended every fight I've found myself in as an adult, even of the crackhead variety. Your average person has no real defense against a good blast double, and have no fucking idea what to do once you slam them on the pavement and get on top.
>I work out and once foughtLiterally, a non-sequitur. Survival fighting is about knowing how to take down an aggressor as quickly as possible; not about a rope-a-dope Rocky bout.>wing-chun, muay thai, and taekwondo since the 90s>all honest teachers tell you that what they teach is 99% useless in a real-life survival fight scenario
>>540385709Just a couple of weeks in the beginning. Women I mean. >>540386051Not what I said. Do you practice something?
>>540386393Sure they were lol. From Karate in its heyday to MMA bros, lots of people get delusional when they start training.
>>540373061BJJ is for pussies. Anyone with a brain can beat them easily
>>540386783>get in a fight with a BJJ guy>he lays on the ground and opens his legs to meI guess I won?
>>540386783They push the BJJ meme because it commingles nips with macaco niggers. There was a talmudvision commercial during the Wog Cup that ran non-stop, promoting (((diversity))) and the (((melting pot))), that cited (among other kikery) exactly that -- Brazilian jujitsu being created by Yo'suke samurai and, thus, how 'great' it is when the world is diluted into a homogenised, cultureless, brown mess.
>>540386582Yeah it works specifically at BJJ grappling and basically nothing else. I don’t know how morons don’t get this?> ended every fight I've found myself in as an adult, even of the crackhead varietyKek ok bro
>>540373167I assume the anons who are mad at you are martial artists, possibly Asians with small penises? I am a black belt but no one I meet would guess. Im not gonna die pretending to be some cartoon warrior. A knife costs $5. A blackbelt in my practice can get his belt with absolutely no knife defense training- it is provided only by caring masters who are passionate about the benefits of the art to the students. Many places that sell monthly subscriptions to kids and etc lack the equipment to train for it even if a good instructor wanted to do it. Probably 0.001% or likewise of my time training over a decade had to do with knives. They dont even talk about guns. A knife costs $5.
>BJJ niggers refusing to acknowledge their buttscooting doesnt work on someone who can kick or knee a downed opponent to the head, or just strike in generalsame as it ever wasits not 2005 any more you fuckin monkeys, nobodies giving up arm triangles and guillotines are hilariously ineffective.
>>540387169I think Rogan and his buddies popularized it and people are so desperate to make friends they end up making friends because they’re all rolling around on each other feeling like their bad asses and that’s what gets them hooked
>>540386318I didn't realize learning jiu jitsu means I can't throw a punch. If anything I'd throw a punch and go for a double leg, then work from there.Nobody ever has to tell a boxer that he doesn't have a ground game. Or that he can't defend against leg kicks. Why do retards have to make that comment about jiu jitsu.When was the last time you saw judo win a street fight? Like twice ever? Yet judo students never have to justify their existence. Or wrestlers. Or anyone else.I think it's because a solid 40% of MMA fights end with jiu jitsu submissions, and people think it's boring.Yeah, there's not as much glory in choking some guy out. Oh well.
>>540388201Good postI'm at a Rickson lineage. A lot of the hate comes from the "STAND EM UP, REF" beer gut fans that just want to see KOs.It's a really nuanced martial art, I encourage everyone to go try their free BJJ class then post on here about it
>>540388201>I think it's because a solid 40% of MMA fights end with jiu jitsu submissionsdisengeniousmost professional MMA fights end after a guys gets pieced up, falls to the ground and then rnc'd. Or they give up position while getting ground and pounded so the fight will end, basically saving face by giving up a submission instead of tapping out to strikes. Very rarely in modern MMA does a fighter seek out a submission on a cognizant opponent and win with that strategy.>Nobody ever has to tell a boxer that he doesn't have a ground game.Thats changing rapidly thankfully, boxers are getting exposed a lot lately as sportsmen, not fighters.
>>540373061Judo and wrestling are the only practice martial arts. Kendo is good for riot police too. But yeah once a weapon gets involved you just want to get distance or pray.
>>540374018>DUDE BJJI'll just stand up. How bout them apples?
>>540387498It works. I don't know why there's so much hate for it lately. Name another fighting sport where you can go 100% in practice and get an exact imitation of what you'd do in a real fight. The only thing you don't do is finish the submission. But subs are effectively checkmate anyway. It shows that you would have absolutely won.It's funny to see "just stand up" and "just punch him bro" guys get rekt when someone gets their arms around them.>This ain't REAL fighting bro>*Passes out*
>>540373061Pistols made fighting obsolete, only a fool would engage in a street fight knowing full well it might be a gunfight. Fun sport; useful only against the retarded in the real world
>>540385682>>540385894decent posts.>Violence is an esoteric topic, especially melee violence. It's one of the few things where not only do most enthusiasts have no direct experience with itThis is both very true, and completely untrue. As a matter of spoken understanding, it is a topic very few people have the capacity to talk about authoritatively, but as a matter of primal understanding/instinct, most men with even a shred of masculinity about them understand it well enough.Just like animals, humans playfight, just like animals, that is really where we learn the most. Even without it being serious combat you learn most of what you need to about fighting before you're even a teenager - leverage, balance, grappling, striking, all the essentials of how to apply force to overpower someone. Everything else we learn after is built on top of that.One of the most interesting things I've noticed about the disparity of realistic fighting knowledge is how much more nuts and bolts pragmatic larger/taller men are about than shorter/smaller men (and women as an extension).Because when you're a big dude, when you're doing that playfighting when you're young, the first thing you learn is how easy it is to overpower someone smaller than you. You have to be constantly monitoring and moderating how much force you put into the play to avoid hurting people, so you learn a lot more about it. Meanwhile, this understanding and effort is invisible to the smaller men - and most of them leave this era thinking they are a match for the larger men exactly because they don't have direct knowledge of exactly how much the larger men were holding back to give the smaller men a chance.Which is why anytime you see any kind of discussion of fighting you can almost always tell who the small men are, because they are the ones throwing out all sorts of copes about this technique or that, or how if they just "went berserk" they could win.
>>540380666>>540381094>>540385075Awesome
>>540387498It works at grappling in general, same as judo and wrestling - and grappling is one of the fundamental ranges of fighting.>Kek ok broSlamming someone on pavement and getting on top is pretty reliable lol, if that's hard to believe someone just hasn't done it to you yet.
>>540388659>I don't know why there's so much hate for it lately.>exact imitation of what you'd do in a real fightthats whyits the same cope as boxers ignoring wrestling or leg kicks.>It's funny to see "just stand up" and "just punch him bro" guys get rekt when someone gets their arms around them.its funny to see man bun gi rollers have their dome bounce off the mat repeatedly because they never train while even theoretically being exposed to elbows or fists from the guy in their guard.
>>540388384>Very rarely in modern MMA does a fighter seek out a submission on a cognizant opponent and win with that strategYes, because their opponent is usually also a black belt in jiu jitsu. The best MMA fighters have studied it for years because it was so effective early on that it got spammed to win fights.>Fuck I better learn thatFollowed by a gradual reduction in guillotines and triangles because the recipient learned jiu jitsu and can escape.I'm not calling it the world's best fighting style. Everyone should take a little from everything.But in a real-world fight, jiu jitsu is a serious advantage.
>>540388659Do you feel the same way about "just use your knife" guys?
One time my master Mr. Fujimara responded to a question about how to defend yourself against the knife, by making us run laps, saying that this was how
Just stand up is great advice now do it with someone life Roger Gracie on you.
>>540373398i would protect my hard peen from not getting sucked by that teacher if you get what i mean
>>540388557Just standing up requires a solid ground game in itself. I can just stand up, but your average rando who thinks grappling is gay probably can't.
>>540373061>I know! I'm gonna take testosterone and a bunch of other bullshit chemicals to become something completely different than what I've always been! >Wish granted >Is now a delusional retard who takes himself way more seriously than anyone else does. Cringe.
>>540388891>Yes, because their opponent is usually also a black belt in jiu jitsuwho give him this? We need to check brutha. Black belts are thrown at anyone and everyone that spends 3 or 4 years in a gym these days. I would argue BJJ is less effective/prevalent at the highest level because once people learned how to not get their limbs grabbed during ground and pound ( and yes yes they learned how to do so from BJJ gyms), BJJ consequently had much less to offer MMA.>But in a real-world fight, jiu jitsu is a serious advantage.against the untrained. You could say the same for boxing or wresting. But they too are less effective out of their own safe space. My issue with BJJ is the defenders of the sport are the least likely to acknowledge that their particular practice is in fact NOT a panacea to all physical threats or even just unarmed combat in general. Boxers have this problem too as I said earlier, and they are getting exposed more and more as training MMA becomes more mainstream.
>>540388436Judo and wrestling are also great. Huge amount of cross-over between them and bjj. They all specialize at slightly different things, all have their strengths and weaknesses. And all will generally wreck someone who doesn't have a solid grappling game of their own.
>>540389077Weapons fundamentally change the nature of fighting, that's why people invented them. For some reason, we still squabble unarmed a lot of the time, and it's best to not be completely useless at it.
