Why didn’t the ancient Greeks discover the Americas?
>>540399467democracy ruined them
>>540399467>What Christianity does to a mofo
>>540399467There is some speculation that they might have. But its merely historical speculation. There is a fairly strong chance that the Phoenicians did and historically the Hellenes were somewhat contemporary to the Phoenicians so its probable that the Greek city states were at least functionally aware of a large continent beyond the Mediterranean Sea.
>>540399745Then why didn't they write about it?
>>540399467This is the guy under the helmet by the way. Yes, he is Jewish.
>>540399467Based on your image the Greeks figured out how to live a long time ago
>>540399781imo he is one of the good ones
>>540399781The odyssey reminds me of a scene from the chosen where the Jews are re enacting Alexander the Great and I realized that's all Hollywood has ever been All that said The movie was fire
>>540399781armor is like a male burka in a way
>>540399467where do you think atlantis was?
>>540399467Ancient Greek ships were more primitive. It took until the development of the cog ship to be able to cross the ocean safely. The Greeks would hug coastlines to explore. But they couldn't go across open ocean.
>>540399745There's a zero percent chance any ancient civilization discovered the Americas. Their boats were shallow draft and relied on oar power. They were incapable of long sea voyages, they'd either flounder or run out of supplies. And that's not getting into their total lack of open sea navigation. Even in the Mediterranean boat travel almost always took place within sight of land because of the risks involved in open water and the need to beach to sleep and eat and get fresh water.
>>540399757They may have, we don't have every piece of Hellenic era discourse in existence. It may have been such a common knowledge traders factoid or speculation that no one ever wrote it down. But the Greeks were not unaware of the wider world around them....they just had a much smaller localized focus because in their overall world all that mattered was their own culture specifically and they only really invested themselves in other cultures if those cultures were invading them, or they were invading someone elses countries.Even if you go into the age of Alexander....you read a LOT about the wide ranging conquests of Alexander but almost nothing about the cultures he was conquering...it was just the greek way of sorting out the world. All that mattered was greek things. A continent so far away that barely any ship but those manned by the most skilled sailors could reach would be of little interest to early Greek culture.
>>540399898They would have came from Asia into Russia and thru Alaska If you think it never happened before 1200 whatever idk what to tell you
>>540399898See you say this but we have archaeological evidence of Polynesian cultures all the way out into the middle of the Pacific ocean and far earlier than they should be there.Pretending like a double draft canoe is eastern sea magic and the culture that created greek fire and Archimedes Screw couldn't figure out trading cogs with keels is kind of one sided vision.Not all ships in that era were built shallow draft....the major bulk of them were because that ship design worked well in the Mediterranean maritime enviroment usually....but the Phoenicians were everywhere, and much much earlier than everyone else. To pretend like their maritime advancements wouldn't propagate to other cultures through trade exposure is like pretending technological propagation is not natural.
>>540399467Because they were nowhere near an ocean, in their day the strait of Gibraltar was known as the pillars of Hercules which held back the huge monsters of the Atlantic ocean. They clearly knew nothing good would ever come from across the Atlantic.
>>540400359I'm starting to wonder if the western hemisphere is cursed or bad land Idk why but I've felt it in the woods my whole life a dark feeling like something evil is watching
>>540399813oh no, he died?
>>540400752Injuns, the blacks haunt this place as well.
>>540399467Triremes are not capable of making transatlantic voyages
I'm actually baffled that the Vikings were able to discover America even if they took the Iceland -> Greenland hopping route.Their boats compared to conquistador boats were a fucking joke, I can't imagine a long trip or facing a storm on one of those glorified river boats.
"Hur durr, why didn't the Allies use laptops and ChatGPT to break the Enigma code in WW2?"Because the tech wasn't there yet, you 80 IQ kike wannabe.Ancient Greece was from 3000 BC to 500 BC. At that time, an "ocean vessel" was a glorified canoe. It ran on oar power, they had no compass, no sextant, no maps, no GPS, no engines, no radar, not enough room to store supplies for a three year journey, no nothing.Ships had to hug the coast or be lost. That's why it was plausible that Odyssius took 20 years to get back home: once out of sight of the coast ships would just float in circles until they ran out of supplies and died.Ships were run by oar power. Physically moved by teams of humans. And they couldn't do it very long, and required lots and lots of food. They didn't have the storage space for the rations required for long journeys, nor would they survive the trip with their arms intact. Additionally, they didn't know the cause of scurvy so they would all loose their teeth after a month at sea.Ships mainly powered by sails didn't come around until 100 AD, and were not popular until 900 AD (why make something complicated when slaves were free?). The sail allowed ships to become massive behemoths with enough storage space to have the food, water, and lime juice for a trans-atlantic trip.The compass, sextant, and star charts were not around until the 1450's AD, almost 2000 years after Ancient Greece stopped existing. And guess when long distance exploration became popular, including Columbus' trip to the Bahamas? 1450! Shocker!Fucking sub 80 IQ curry niggers that cannot understand "time" acting like they are all clever and shit.
>>540401136I thought that too but there could be something more too it
>>540399898This, unlike later more advanced ships of the late medieval and early Renaissance period, the crew did not typically "live" on the ship.The ship was a vehicle that took them places, but they would stop every day to camp and resupply on the shore.
>>540401268Tell that to the Vikings that reached America on a fucking longboat
>>540400359It was actually the larger storms of the Atlantic that would sink most primitive ships, but they would assume it was monsters.
There's very few reasons to even attempt to cross the Atlantic. Only reason the whole age of exploration happen was because Constantinople fell to the Ottomans and people were looking for alternative routes o Asia. Just going around Africa hadn't been attempted either and that's literally just hugging the coast.
They got colonized by Arabs
>>540401330Haven't even read past the first sentencePathetic
>>540401330That sounds like bullshit historical revisionism from globetards. Thinking they would reach Asia by going the opposite direction in the 1400's is just nonsense.>inb4 they knew le Earth was round since ancient time praise AtomNo they didn't
>>540401322By hugging coastlines, you gypsy retard.
>>540399467Nobody ever looked like the "before" image because that's comic book tier fantasy.
>>540401418MYTHOSDon't ruin it
>>540401409What coastlines you mutt retard fuck? They had to cross the Atlantic you think you can reach Iceland in one day and then Greenland in one day and then America in one day you shit for brains fentanyl chimpanzee?
>>540399467on top of what othere said, I think they were satisfied with the land they had
>>540401253The Mediterranean isn't the best place to sail even now, the wind is all over the place going from nothing to 30 knots and back to nothing all the time. The tiny little tides and lack of strong currents as well led them down the path of multi oar decked ships.
>>540401471They obviously sailed through the famous west passage
They sailed ionian sea and thought themselves expert sailros
>>540401241They weren't exactly river boats. They were pretty flexible ocean going vessels.Still, the only reason they did as well as they did is due to their sun stones letting them take very consistent routes before the compass.
>>540399564We wuz Byzantine now? Wasn't that a rome ?Byzantine made greek great
>>540401418trvke, greeks showed us how they looked like through their coinage, the modern beautywashing has to stop!
>>540401650They aren't exactly Atlantic crossing boats either. Compared to the actual ships the Spaniards used they might as well be river boats in fact you could store a viking longboat on a Spaniard ship to use it for river sailing.
>>540401757>Fat Tintin coinKekI'll clip that coin so hard that nigger would look skinny
>>540401405The smartest people at the time didn't believe in flat Earth anymore. Ancient Greeks had astronomers observing the sky and they knew planets behaved differently from the stars, even if they didn't know what they really were or that Earth was like one of them too.By 1400's they had advanced ships and merchants who sailed from Norway to Africa and saw themselves how the sun and winds change with seasons. By that time it was already common sense to everyone that the world is round.
>>540401765They would be pretty impractical for that. They were pretty long, sometimes longer than the carracks.
>>540401951Absolute nonsense you should look at European maps drawn in the 1400's they had no idea where China was or what it looked like but of course they knew you could reach it by sailing the exact opposite direction. I don't even believe in flat earth but all the effort put into revisionism to make them look dumber than Middle Ages peasants raises some eyebrows. Because even the peasants would question why the ships are going west to reach east.
>>540401241What is crazy is that the news didn't spread far and wide despite them apparently even meeting natives in Canada. They probably thought it was just part of the northern island chain and not worth investigating more.Some other country could have colonized America centuries earlier if they knew it had warmer regions too.
>>540402144Why do you think they called the islands in the Caribbean that they landed on the west indies?
>>540402204Exactly, Vikings fighting in Constantinople was probably more impressive news than finding some spear chucking bozos in what they believed to be one of the northern islands.
>Athens, GeorgiaPretty sure they did?
>>540402204They probably would have settled it if it wasn't for the little ice age. The fur alone from Vinland was more than enough.
>>540402304Sounds like they believed the earth was flat and wanted to do a round trip around the world. And even so the average peasant would probably think this is madness since they had no idea about the size of it.
>>540402421That doesn't make any sense
>>540399467someone important said there was nothing beyond Gibraltar, so they didn't try to go further
>>540402483Why not? You can reach India by going in a circle on a flat map.
The most famous Greek navigator of all time got lost sailing back from what is now turkey to what is now Greece and and drifted around in the Med for ten years before he got home, how the fuck were these retards supposed to cross the Atlantic?
>>540402513No? Not really.
>>540402529kek, big if truewhat a bunch of goofs just stick to fucking little boys leave the sailing to the professionals
Polynesians were the best navigators.
>>540399877In sardinia
>>540402604works on the flat earth map :^)but seriously you see this absolute goofy piece and you actually believe the person who drew it believed the earth was round and you could reach India by sailing the opposite direction? Revisionism.
And the fake globe from "1490" is an absolute fabrication and you have to be mentally challenged to even believe that story. So an actual bozo from that time period was able to draw an almost perfect representation of the European+African face of the globe and got the scale of the earth almost perfectly right by using le ancient calculations and shieeeeetOr maybe the logical conclusion: it's a forgery made by globetards.
>>540402738I believe it was possibly Megalithic Malta since Sardinia is rather large.
>>540403020>le ancient calculations and shieeeeetIt's trigonometry anon. It's incredibly easy.
>>540399898>open waterMaybe back then oceans were not the same as today geography wise.
>>540401253Dude, they lived through the bronze and copper age. There was established trade from North Africa and evidence of tin and ore trading from the UK out of all places. The entire med had a fucking trading system that historically reached all the way to Gibraltar and beyond. They weren't fucking prairieniggers on canoes.
