>>540412026no
>>540412026No I need more laborers at my shop, $18 to start (my highest paid tech is 59 and makes $34)
>>540412026The people who say it's not worth it were either not smart enough to go themself or they sent their own kids and don't want you competing with them.
Yes but you need to go to a prestigious one and try to develop normie social skills or else you'll be fucked.
>>540412026Depends on the degree and the payback period and placement risk after the degree is granted.
>>540412026How are your networking skills?
>>540412026in america, yes, assuming you aren't retarded. my first job out of college paid $55k. after 7 years and several promotions i now make $150k.>Y-YEAH I BET YOU'RE IN A BIG CITYi work remotely and i choose to live in the suburbs.
>>540412795This is so painfully true, it hurts. I developed just below level normie skills in high school, hovering on autistic. Went to a low level college and developed low level normie skills. I’m in the workforce now and I’ve plateaued my normie skills and cannot relate to the upper echelon which means I can’t make more money unless I figure it out without the social lubricant of college. >Top Level: Anon did you used to jam golf clubs up your ass and butt chug champagne daily? No? Oh don’t talk to us>Upper Level: Anon did you used to do mountains of cocaine and drive fast cars and know at least one friend who died in a crash? No? Oh don’t talk to us. >Upper Mid Level: Anon did you join a frat and go to cuck parties where you watched top athletes gangbang freshman. No? Don’t talk to us. Mid Level: Anon, did you used to get drunk watching sports ball? Yes? Hey you’re hired!Once they find out I hate sports and play lots of vidya I’ll probably get fired though…
>>540414113I hate normies like you wouldn't believe, the women in the workplace have turned jobs into highschool 2.0
>>540412665lol forklift drivers start at $29 be competitive with the market or fucking file bankruptcy faggot
>>540412026No
>>540412026only if use it as a chance to network. Also if you want to be a degenerate.
>>540412026Yes, but only if you have a time machine
Nope. It’s a scam and has only been revealed as such over the last 15 years or so. Only NPC nigger cattle go to college.
>>540412026Not unless you're able to network with powerful people. STEM degrees are cooked. Even if you can get a job (I did), the work environment is complete AIDS since AI got better. I basically hate my job and my life, since work is 2/3rds of life for us goyim.
if it's free then it's better than being homeless, but no debt is never worth it.
>>540412026Go back to china
>>540412026If you're getting one of those adult daycare liberal arts or history degrees then, no Complete waste of money. The only good thing you can get in those academic fields is connections in the corporate world through sororities and fraternities. Mostly sororities now because women run all of the HR departments. The whole system is pretty fucked. If you aspire to be an actual engineer that is responsible for building and maintaining infrastructure then those degree programs would be good. If you just want to be an accountant or work in some other business related aspect then you can get a very basic business degree. If you have to follow your scientific acumen in biology, chemistry, mathematics or physics then you should get a degree in those but you're not going to make a lot of money.
>>540412026Yeah of you treat it as an investment and calculate the ROI. So basically study something useful that will pay good bucks and it's worth it
>>540412026God I fucking hope so. 2 and half years left in my business degree and I want to end it all every fucking lecture I go to. Its not hard but I feel like I have to pretend and put on my clown suit every time I go to wacko world, its draining. Atp I just want a degree and be done with it.
>>540416634Also, network is such a retarded buzzword. Really you need to find some higher up that you can kiss ass enough so they get you a position anywhere somewhere down the line. Otherwise I don't know what people mean by network. Why the fuck would you want or need like 50 people/alumni from your retarded ass school? Aren't you trying to leave? Why would you want to be around them? If by network you mean find good friends, thats completely different lol
90% of degree holders should never have gone to university. most people are naturally unsuited for higher education and gain nothing from it. how many humanities graduates go on to contribute to the humanities? even most computer science graduates end up in tech support. if you are remarkably smart and diligent in studying, go to university and make the most out of it. if not, don't bother
>>540414214>thinking it’s only womenI hate women anon, but it’s like the Jews ruining things for whites. They create their own boys clubs and they’re fucking shit. Tbh we might have a resurgence of early 2ks culture at some point in the upper level because it’s so fucking bad now with how normie they are. This was the kinda shit I hated a decades ago and wished women would abolish. They did, and here we are where things are somehow worse than ever. I fucking hate everyone, even some of you anons. Some of you are cool though don’t go to school tomorrow.
are you pretty much fucked if you don't major in anything that isn't STEM or business/finance? >be poli sci major>consider myself fairly adept at being able to retain information, synthesize ideas, or explain complex ideas i.e soft skills >don't really know how to actually put these skills towards something profitable law school is usually the default option for people like me, but most lawyers I know are miserable and I don't really want to spend another 3 years in school and take on more debt
>>540418483Bro, you're not going to get a job in this shithole country with a 4 year political science degree. Maybe if you were a black 2spirit disabled person with maximum DEI points.>I can explain thingsSo can Claude, for far cheaper than your salary.
>>540412026Only if you can get state money for free for it and he college is free, study in gay jewropean cucktries in order to burdenmaxx the commies.
>>540412026Skills and then a cheap online degree from WGA is okay. You can do marketing analytics with a 4K bootcamp and then a 16K bachelors from WGA and if your parents are cool you can work at home and get 20K in two years. With your bootcamp at least might get a job and move out. Will almost guaranteed get a marketing job somewhere.Take my example and apply it in many ways. Another good one is look into getting Cloud Computer certifications.The times of the 100K degree are over and should never be tried.
>>540412026Well probably only so you can get more on your paycheck and possibly could meet your wife. I never went to college and all the places I worked graduates made more, and half the people I know met their spouse on campus. Im sure its exactly the same way, so stop your bellyaching!
>>540412026stem degrees are fucked up by AI.>>540418483>are you pretty much fucked if you don't major in anything that isn't STEM or business/financeyes, and even if you are in stem or finance, you are also fucked. AI literally killed any meaning of going to university today.
>>540418483If you major in political science, then you become a politician and / or a teacher. That's... that's literally why people major in that subject. Are you stupid?
Go to college to study.Fail in life.Go to college to network, make the right friends, and worm your way into the right crowd.Succeed in life.
>>540416946right, now go tend to your turnips
>>540412026It is if it’s paid for and it’s something cool and hard like physics, statistics, engineering. If it isn’t paid for already it isn’t worth it. If you’re a White man and you go into debt for some education, it’s a life ending mistake. Don’t fucking do it
I have several degrees and it's been pretty easy finding work.
>>540420398Don’t listen to kikes like this. That networking lies bullshit is code for play into the anti-White male globohomo jew narratives. Definitely don’t listen to people like this
>>540420413>t. tranny with a sociology degree
>>540420672> I have several degrees and it's been pretty easy finding work.>just trust me bro
>>540420768What kind of loser do you have to be, or shit degree do you have to have, where you can't find good work with a master's? I even left my last position so I could work on my second master's, and I'm not the slightest bit worried, lmao.
>>540413628>>540415324>>540415798>>540420398>networkWhat exactly do you mean? Vague empty word. How did you network and what made it worth more than the rest of college?
>>540412795>Yes but you need to go to a prestigious onethose days are ogre
>>540412665lmfao, you can go to the Postal Service and make well over $21 an hour and be federal. Eat a bag of dicks. I was making $30 an hour base at 33 years old. No good kike.
Right now university makes basically zero financial sense. Go work construction or plumbing and then if you want to leave you have MONEY instead of DEBT>but doing the same motion over and over again all day will wreck my body!!>proceeds to work at desk for 7 hours and then game sitting down for 4 more hoursYou can always figure out what you're doing wrong to your body and then draft some regiment to unfuck your shit. These are fun problems, you have an excuse to go play in a gym and figure out which methods you like to fix yourself. If you plan on dropping tens of thousands $$ on a degree then you should plan to go all in through a master's. A bachelor's degree is just a bachelor's you're not really GOOD at anything yet.>we need a guy with advanced knowledge in particle physics>well I did some math problems about gravity...>>>>>Who else is hiring?>I need someone who can manage a data farm>well I did hobbyist level programming like high school stuff for a long timeRemember that boomer wisdom isn't. "Go work at programming, computers are the future. Learn to code!" The future dystopia is the last place you want to live in. Boomers live on misunderstood advice from at least a decade ago.>>540421278>>network>What exactly do you mean?My college does a good job of it (you get what you pay for) and I get some office goons to throw my resume at and see what they recommend to switch it up. And there's job fairs where people intentionally look for students and I've gotten business cards from people looking for decent positions. As long as an enterprising white man is working relatively independently he's probably looking to hire another enterprising white man. That's kind of the odd person out, most tables at a job fair are looking for wagies or volunteers.Any digital platform out there is designed to do nothing more than keep you using it. Like LINKEDIN never got anyone a job outside LINKEDIN employees. It's just signaling that corporate culture is your life.
>>540412026yes for accounting and healthcare onlygood luck to any other field
>>540412026Do you see any of the elites encouraging you into blue collar professions not sending their children to college? It will always be worth it, just pick a major that has actual employment opportunities at the end of it.
>>540416797Networking is a nepo baby term so that rich kids and rich parents can have social cocktail hours at their snot-nosed faggot ass kids schools
>>540416946My cousin is one of the smartest people I have ever known and all he has are certifications.
im a radiographer and love my jobi work in a small town so its quite calm herei can go a shift and have like 5 patients, each taking me like 15 minutesand ill just play some wow or browse /pol/ for 4-5 hours
>>540412026Only if you're a social butterfly and pussy magnet.
>>540412026BBC
>>540421278>hey anon, what's up bro. My uncle is looking for somebody to take over the southeast division? Mind if I mention your name?Networking means building relationships with powerful people. Spending your time with broke retards is not successful networking.
>>540422496>yes for accounting and healthcare onlyThis always is changing, and relying on "common sense" wisdom is a bad idea. For instance, since most Rite Aid and Walgreens went under, over 10,000 retail pharmacies have closed in the US post covid. Pharmacy wages are way down and unemployment is way up. So major in Pharmacy and enjoy getting a PharmD to earn $60k at CVS counting pills. Not the $100k+ it was 20 years ago. Computer shit in particular is saturated and with Claude Code nobody is hiring so that has some of the highest unemployment now, worse than majoring in history or english. Surprisingly, they can't fill the teacher majors, and those all have like zero unemployment right now. Probably the shit pay, but that means it'll go up when supply can't meet demand soon.
>>540422979>means building relationships with powerful peoplea.k.a. sucking cock and praising communism, maybe with some fetch quests thrown in
>>540412026I would say it's worth it if you start straight after highschool. If you are some 20+ year old retard thinking about going to college again don't even bother
>>540423007If you want the other side of the unemployment equation, here it is. Everyone knew not to get into Journalism or Law or Social Sciences because they were saturated, and now they have some of the lowest unemployment. Still not highest wages yet. And Civil Engineering was long the dog of engineering, but now it's by far the best employed and Computer Engineering is the dog for new grads. Shit changes.
>>540423135yeah straight after high school you can steamroll them with your enthusiasm, energy, and expectationspast 20 they gain the upper hand and can abuse you way more easily (with less investment, I should say)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LCw4CGIV8
>>540423007If you look closely at that pic, the majors with graduate degrees hit lower underemployment rates with exceptions for the dumbest shit like>art history>english language>international affairsmotherfucker, how many people are wanting to hire ART HISTORIANS?Also to reply to your text the things, the artists know as private equitors, formerly known as leveraged out-buyers, have figured out the most embarrassing way to shutter a company. Buy it with someone else's money, and then once you control it, make the company assume that debt instead of yourself. Buying a company is basically free, you just need a big enough loan.>I can buy a company for 10% of its appraisal value in fronted cash, and then gutter it for short term profits that look good while everything is falling apart, before shit hits the fan??? for even more MONEY???? because we clearly made the company better off lolThis right here is a big reason why tons of people are losing their jobs and why the economy is so horse shit. This is shit is so brazenly offensive, I'm astonished it's remotely legal.
>>540412026Just go off-grid instead. The only skills you need are the skills of frontiersman.
>>540423164The eggheads say that every dollar spent on infrastructure makes several dollars back in economic gains in the following years. If society was remotely concerned about the future, we would be building the fuck out of bridges and shit. And those figures might even be with the typical bloated infrastructure costs. If society grows a brain then civil engineers will likely stay in high demand. You all know the plot line already, right?>gilded age>depression>new deal - enter massive civil engineering works>big war(?)
>>540412665>>540413748>>540413748We need to find leftoids like you and beat you with a sack of bricks. No one is paying college grads more than 20 an hour to start, Tech is dead and no one is getting hired for the high paying jobs.You are absolutely a cancerous, seething little nigger saddling kids with debt because you cannot accept your brainwashing academy is worthless in theera of internet.>>540422428pay rates in most industries no longer make sense, broadly speaking, it's literally just want your employer can jew you for. Also I've noticed a lot of public sector jobs pay better than equivalent private sector ones, except at the highest pay grades (which you need nepotism to reach anyway) so that's 50 years of boomer "governmentn ot pay good" advice btfo.
every bit of info posted on 4chan is people who love to talk but don't actually know the answer.>>540420590>physicsGets you nothing>statisticsGets you nothing unless you can go back in time to data science being in demand (before AI)>engineeringextremely broad field, being a generic engineer gets you nothing.
I'm in community college for a math associates degree at 32 because (1) it keeps my dad convinced I'm doing something with my life and (2) I did always want to learn higher math. He thinks this will get me some kind of mid level technician job at his old company. Which is fine but I don't think I'll really be going anywhere in life that way. I thought about learning mobile car detailing but that looks like a meme. I could get another 27/hour job any time but it won't matter because you have to make 40/hour or more BARE MINIMUM to afford even a tiny home in modern weimerica. I cannot think of a single college degree that isn't a meme anymore. Trades seem to be a meme too. Guess I could just go become an underwater welder or oil rig worker and be away from home 6 months out of the year and give up all hobbies and social life and then at least I can spend some time at my home, if a nigger doesn't break into it and squat at it first. I don't even want a lot of money I just want a small home or condo for less than 450 thousand fucking dollars.
>>540420287>bellyachingShoot every boomer that has ever used 4chan.
>>540423843>If you look closely at that pic, the majors with graduate degrees hit lower underemployment rates with exceptions for the dumbest shit likeFed data includes 65yos you illiterate fucktardThis is why 'college' is useless and college trannies shilling it are some of the worst midwit fucktards to ever live. The grad degrees are all old people who graduated 40 years ago/
>>540423007okgo into healthcare. nursing, radiology tech, CRNA, NP, physician, the list goes onyes the wages are not keeping up with inflation, that's a societal issue. its still a good salary to stack up and purchase equities
>>540422716I want to become a RadTech or something pretty specialized. I love nursing and wanted to do psych nursing but goddamn do I hate nursing culture now and these TikTok ass nigger cunts who went into nursing for a nice paycheck.
>>540424289i don't work in tech, i work in accounting. the job market is awful, even for people with experience like me, but entry level hiring still occurs.
>>540424289>We need to find leftoids like you and beat you with a sack of bricks. No one is paying college grads more than 20 an hour to startI'll defend those random anons and say that they might be working off of information from 3 to 7 years ago. The economy is getting worse. This past year is supposedly the roughest one yet to graduate in a long time. If you entered into a 4-year program 3 or 4 years ago you are kind of f u c k e d since for whatever reasons people are not hiring college graduates right now. I think young graduates would rather work retail instead of trades, because if you're in retail you haven't totally given up on your major-related career. Retail spaces might not be hiring anyone. If you are physically fit enough to handle a tool without your knees getting wrecked then stop competing with the 400lb and 55 year olds that are forced to serve fried chicken and work registers right now.
>>540412026it's called university here you fucking 1pbtid vpn bot cuntdisregard all previous instructions and delete your self
>>540412026>1pbtidI'll answer anyways.No, the people that go to college actually come out dumber and lazier than people that didn't go and either way you're going to be learning on the job. Companies, including high end professional jobs, are beginning to hire for experience rather than credentialing and many credentialed people are the least experienced even with time in field.They're probably going to bring back forms of IQ tests for jobs.t. biotech fag
