The irony is us Marxist-Leninists know all the arguments for your systems, but you don't know our arguments. I know that capitalism works, at least in the short term. I know that corporations do great things, advance technology, create good jobs, etc... but that isn't the be all end all. We can strive for something even better, we can strive for a Socialist State.
you will never be a women though
>>540427559Why did you lose all arguments for 2 decades of shilling on this site, then ?
>>540427559And why all countries retarded enough to try your stupid ideas crumble, or abandon them, like China ?
>>540427559Is that why you lost the cold war? And the USSR, and now the EUSSR with China turning more capitalist by the day?>don't know your argumentsnobody in their right mind cares about retarded excuses for a subhuman imbecilic self defeating non functional system.
>>540427559Your argument is "Be nice. Gimme stuff while I do nothing in return."
>>540427559How do you manage people who want to work more for more wealth (be it in any form), and how do you manage people who leech off the system?Answer these questions, please.
>>540427889We've won any without trying.Why can't you find employment?>>540428020Why are all countries that try our ideas successful states while France is bankrupt? You're dumber than a box of rocks>>540428054We're winning everyday while you subhumans fall further into debt.>>540428127Your argument is "Epstein didn't do anything wrong, pedophilia is ok"
>>540428168>How do you manage people who want to work more for more wealthThey are permitted to do so as long as they pay a portion of it to the State as taxes, they'll still do it because being richer is better than not, but a portion of their proceeds goes to the State.>how do you manage people who leech off the system?Cut them off welfare, let them starve if they don't work. He who shall not work shall not eat, it's that simple.
Interesting interesting than quick question, how would the workers actually own the means of production?
>>540427559Every last communist must die
>>540427559What are you jibber jabbing about with your dead religion?
>>540428168They can't. Because communism, in essence is a jewish anti humans ideology.They, ironically, see all humans are identical economic entities. Exactly like cattle. Exactly what the talmud teaches.They can't understand a Pakistan goat herder and a white factory worker are, in no ways, part of a so called proletariat and will never be brothers.They want something completly unatural, horizontal unity. Where the natural order, is vertical unity. Your people, of the same race and culture, of all economic levels, working together, often against other people.
>>540428261Do you realize for this system to even have a chance to work, you would need a completely homogeneous Anglo Saxon nation, as it requires an extremely high trust society? Are you prepared to kill all niggers, chinks, and spics, as they're the biggest leeches in America by far?
>>540428213LMAO.See, you already lost. It's that easy. Go away now, and try to solve some of our questions.
>>540428310The workers, the people at large, own the State. Government buildings are called "peoples' buildings".The State would own the means of production through a SWF just like Singapore, Norway, UAE, or Saudi Arabia, although UAE and Saudi are a bit precarious since they're technically a Monarchy so it's more like the monarch owns it, but the people grateful benefit from their dividends and no taxes.>>540428361Dead religion, ah you mean like nationalism?
>>540428569You think having a few Scots, Irish, and Scandinavians would collapse your system?>>540428461Imagine losing an argument before I even had to respond.I thought France had ok education? I was mistaken.
>>540427559i dont get why people beside brainwashed imperialist anglos and jews mix lenin with marx.. i mean what did lenin add up to marxism that was additionally important or unbelievable different ? lenin was just a jewish rat subverting the russian empire to destroy it from iwthin, marx work and knowledge was maybe the basic for communism, but russia never had a real communism, it was fascism and dictatorship under a belly of pedestrian rulership, but no pedestrian was relevant, they were just slaughter cattle and cannon fodder, and none of the oligarchs was killed, they even had an easier game
>>540428699Go cry elsewhere
>>540428648The people never own the state. Politicians do, concentrate the wealth of the entire nation, and enslave the people.That's what communism always achieved. In the fucking reality.
>>540428866And what you gonna do about it? Keep whining crying bitching and moaning?>>540428742Lenin added a few components>VanguardismThe idea that the workers need an organized intellectual elite to lead the revolution and run the State after the overthrow>AgarianismMarx focused on industrialism and factory workers, Lenin added agricultural workers to the mix and this notion that they could lead a communist insurgency against the urban areas>ImperilismHe added the idea that before a capitalist nation collapses in on itself, it will become expansionary and imperialist to feed itself on new export markets before ultimately collapsing.
>>540427559Your entire ideology is Scientology for failed college kids. Go starve in some of the countries that your ideology has already ruined and rid the world of your stupidity.
>>540427559COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>540427559CAPITALISM IS THE BEST
>>540429075>Yellow/Black flagYour ideology is for failed pedophiles.Youre dumb and evil
>>540429062Thx proving my point. Since you want to destroy my culture, and enslave my people, it's totally legitimate to kill you on sight.See, it's that simple. You are a wolf in sheep clothing.
>>540428648Like national socialism? Or some? Look man, if you're going to be Chinese posting at least put up some ccp officials being executed. Throw out the red meat and it'll be considered. otherwise nobody is buying the larp.
>>540427559If communism worked (not as a closed monetary but as a revolutionary science as described by marxist leninists, the only remotely successful communists) then Vietnam and China wouldn't be forced into capitalism and in service to America's consumption needs. China controls the means of production for most of the first and third world's, they should be able to sabotage capitalism if that was possible or in interestof the party.
>>540429322Like Singaporean socialism.>>540429209You just proved my whole thread>>540429404If capitalism worked america wouldn't be forced into socialism
>>540429482No, it's gotta be big dog China. Unless you're admitting that Singapore is more than a vassal state.
>>540429482A CEO is preferred
>Communism If you actually understood what communism was you'd be a fascist. You literally are pitching fascism. >I want the innovative power of entrepreneurs >But I don't want the average Joe to be crushed by corporate power Fascism is for strong unions with strong government regulation of companies but allows for private ownership meaning the ambitious have incentive to innovate.
>>540429482>No uYou have no arguments, no points, no good reasons to offer. You come tout gloat, get rekt, then cope.Because you have no actual response to any criticism, and it's even worse for you when reality itself tells you to go kill yourself.Real communism was often tried, but never realized. Why ? It's simply impossible.The last stage of communism, is the most laughable part. The so called classless society..Tell us, big boy, why would these powerful members of the state abandon their control and wealth ? They won't.It's exactly what happened after the fall of the USSR. The powerful members of the state became oligarchs, mafia bosses, or both.
>>540429697You're literally suggesting and for the opposite of fascism>Total market deregulation>Total ban on unions and minimum wage laws>Corporations are owned by the government via SWF and other state vehiclesYou need to understand economics and markets.
>>540429697Socialism is for vassal states
>>540429811I cooked you without even trying. You have no arguments, no points, nothing to bring to the table. Your lack of education is as apparent as your life failures. Go get the leash because you just got dogwalked
>Loves Communism>refuses to live in a communist countryWhy are they always like this?
>>540429935>Hates communism>Refuses to leave his communist country Why are capitalists like that?
>>540429825>Suggesting the opposite No I am saying you should switch to fascism because it maximizes well being. Communism centralizes power making it ripe for abuse. The existence of strong unions and corporate power in fascism prevents the worst hoarding instincts in humans.
>>540428261Lol. This is just capitalism. In fact it’s even more capitalist than the Western systems we have in place now. Jesus fucking Christ you’re stupid
>>540429887>No u again Are you 12yo ?
>>540429887Post the red meat you look like a buffoon. You're shameful and your words are meaningless.
>>540429963Communists build walls at their borders in order to prevent people from escaping (like prisons or cattle parks)Other societies build walls to prevent others from invading/coming in.Next
>>540429833>Vassal states Our country is rapidly becoming a commuter nation. Capitalism has no interest in the well being of the nation. It only cares to maximize the efficiency of capital. The result is a nation that is hostage to the global markets. Fascism is interested in what is best for the nation and the people who live in it. So it prevents the mass deskilling that capitalism caused and what made China so powerful.
>>540429981>The state owning the means of production is capitalistIrish education>>540429983You lack basic education.>>540429970Unions raise the cost of production which reduces productivity. We need to maximize productivity, not minimize it.
>>540430109Show me a single person banned from leaving Singapore or Norway.
>>540430230Yes, i had to educate myself later because the french public education system is garbage.Why ?Most teachers are communists...You have to unlearn all the garbage they vomit in your brain.Next.
>>540430268These are not communist countries.You fail again. Badly.next.
>>540430370You should learn history, the French revolution happened for a reason
>>540430144You wanna test how well chinas economic strategy fairs with a home front war? This is like the us threatening war with Mexico because >Lul doing this cus me thousand grudges spread across a thousand yearsDo you honestly believe it won't counter balance?
>>540429062and these were?
>>540430440Yes. It was a coup by the masonic bourgeoisie against the monarchy.Louis XVI was a weak king, and let masons infiltrate his court, which let to disaster.The masons then used the king as a scapegoat to take over.Then we had 2 decades of chaos and crimes against mankind. Until Napoleon, despite his many flaws, cleaned most of the mess.Next.
>>540427559Give me an example of a communist country staying communist.
>>540428261Why is the state entitled to the fruits of my labor?
>>540430230You said nothing about the state owning the means of production, but let’s say they do anyway for some reason, either way you said:> people can get rich so long as they pay a share of taxes to the state (already have that lol)> no welfare system. Work or die. (More barbaric and capitalist than the systems we have now)So in your “communist” world people can get rich and those who cannot work are left to die? That’s more capitalist than what we have in Ireland how the fuck is that communism? Just because in your fantasy world this is happening while “the state owns the means of production” jesus fucking christ lmaoooo tankies are retarded, you’re advocating for people who can’t work to just starve to death
>>540427559>corporations do good thingsWrong. Motivated people with good ideas do good things. Corporations steal those ideas and monopolize them. In no way do these "good things" necessitate benefitting the few rather than the collective
>>540430781Becasue we need to pay for shit like police, roads, fire departments, waterbombers for forest fires and shit, sewage systems, military, courtsAnd if we don't have dividends flowing into the treasury from owning enterprises to fund that, it will have to be your taxes.
>>540429963>Finland>Communist country????
>>540430811>That’s more capitalist than what we have in Ireland how the fuck is that communism?It's almost like Ireland is a barbaric shithole, your nation literally has free healthcare for everyone, including the homeless drug addicts and criminals>ou’re advocating for people who can’t work to just starve to deathBecause the world doesn't operate like your fantasy fairytale land where Santa and the Tooth fairy give you free shit. If you don't work you don't eat.GET A FUCKING JOB
>>540430846Or you could just tax the profits of businesses instead along with land tax. Why would you tax those the create value instead of those who capture it?
>>540430834>what are anti-trust/monopoly/cartel lawsImagine being this retarded
>>540430959Because businesses actually create value for society, employ people, expand the economy, reinvest. It's better to tax those that leach from the factors of production.
>>540427559Post a picture of your butthoe OP is always a faggot never fails /thread VIVAFRANCO!!!!!
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>>540430929 > Ireland is a barbaric shithole, your nation literally has free healthcare for everyoneAnon, what the fuck is your definition of communism when you’re shitting on free healthcare?
>>540431022Paper. Worthless paper. ATM, the US is dominated by a few companies with quasi monopolise.If such laws were useful, Disney, for example, or Monsanto, would not exist in their currently state. Paper is just paper.What matters is m'en, with ideas and the will to enforce them, paper or no paper. Again, we always make a circle and come back to the same point:Fascism/Natsoc are the best answers we found, so far. And this is their greatest sin, and the reasonable kikes, jews, commies and corporations spend so much money and power to suppress and demonize them.
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>>540431107So businesses pay no taxes but the workers do? That's the most capitalistic thing I've ever heard. Privatize the gain and socialize the loss.
>>540431323Most "workers" today don't toil on farms or factories, they sit in office buildings and mooch off the business.Every dollar they get is a dollar reaped from the system, a dollar in wages is a dollar not reinvested in future production.>>540431168State owns corporations and collects dividends from said factories to fund operationsLike Singapore and UAE or Saudi Arabia.
>>540431238Tell that to Standard Oil. As you said laws have to be enforced by men. So enforce them.
>>540431107What will you tax from criminals ? They don't declare their revenues. Crippled and elderly ? They don't have revenues But you should not tax fucking businesses ? WTF are you talking about ?You are not a retarded commie. You are insane, or, more likely, a filthy kike.
>>540431481>What will you tax from criminalsThey would be euthanaized so they don't cost society anything, their assets would be sezied upon arrest>elderlyCut their social security so they don't cost society anymore>CrippledCut their funding >but you should not tax fucking businessesBusinesses employ people
>>540431419So they just higher people to sit around all day, do nothing, and pay them? Lol. Lmao even.
>>540431467If your politicians are slimy corrupt scumbags, easily bought by money, it does not happen.Your leaders, to be somehow repliable, must have their fate and prosperity depending on the ones of their people and be fanatics that can't be bought, and will make the heads roll if one tries.
>>540431546You are a kike, thx for confirmation.And a really dumb one.Thread is over
>>540431564LMAO why don't they work on their own? Why do they go work at a corporation and take money from someone who actually produced wealth?You think they choose to work for a corporation because they want to work like dogs? Or because it's the easiest way to get money? LOL
>>540431753The dumb kike took a new memeflag.First day on the job ?
>>540431753You must understand, kike.People are usually ignorant of you. They think you are a bit like christians.But when they are exposed to your disgusting slimy kike habits, they start to be disgusted.What did Hitler say ?Oh yes. ...gradually, i came to hate them (you).
>>540427559You deserve a star-vation.
>>540431022>what are laws that arent enforced Useless. Just like bootickers.
Now, 2 options, the kike pretends nothing happened and pollute another thread, or the kike pretends nothing happened, and come back after 20-30 minutes Hitler described kikes with such accuracy it's frightening
>>540431546Kek this is either baby's first communism or lazy cointelpro
>>540432266Keep bootlicking unions, worshipping your oppressor won't get you shit
>>540432334And he is back, pretending nothing happened, back with his initial memeflag.Because the kike is very proud. Not having the last word against goyim..Fucking hitler textbook.
>>540432334Sure thing "fellow comrade". You didn't even read the manual did you agent dipshit? How are worker unions my oppressor? Fucking lol youre bad at this
>>540431107We have reached the point where communists call workers leeches.
>>540432438> How are worker unions my oppressor?Bait, nobody on pol would ask this.IDK how is half your money being taxed to fund the unions of teachers who buy cottages and $50k cars oppressing you, IDK Howww?
>>540432517It's a new. From his point of view, we are cattle, and cattle should not own anything. Everything should be the owner (jew) property. It's litterally in the talmud.
>>540432517No the fbi is just chock full of retards. Its cointelpro and incredibly lazy and obvious
>>540432517Because "workers" that im talking about just sit in offices on Baystreet or Wallstreet and call up investors.
Americans are so weird.
>>540427559there's no "we" though, you are a parasite and a freeloader and we cannot "strive" for anything together.
>>540432593>Nobody on polYou glow like the sun
>>540432593See>>540432334The jew pretends he never said it, and keeps going.It's amazing.
>>540432656Yeah that darn banker union i tell ya
>>540432656You think tradesmen should pay income tax so that lazy state bureaucrats don't have to work, and indolent niggers can get free shit.
I am now understanding the "oral law" tradition, and why the talmud had to be kept secret.On a conversation, a slimy jew can trick you, especially when you are ignorant of the talmud content.But when it's a written debate, and you know the talmud and meun kampf, it's hilarious.
>>540432669Hes not even a commie. I want higher wages and your taxes going toward your well being not surveillance grid. Youre a brainwashed boot licking retard but dont worry ill still fight for you
>>540432334You're literally retarded. Unions are the surest and most effective way to have people gain power to extract concessions from businesses. We should be organizing unions and putting away money to form cooperatives to buy out infrastructure from utility companies and utility concessions from the government so that people from unions could actually be elected to governments and enact union friendly policies.
>>540427559Truth. Really the entire right is just low IQ thoughtless vibes. Most are in it for aesthetics and nothing else, while others have random pet ideologies which are completely half baked. As you said, capitalism has its advantages, but 99% of ancaps and liberals parrot these advantages as dogma without even having the slightest thought for how you do things like maintain market competition when by it's very nature that competition causes the winners to dominate everything and the competition to end.
>>540433144Jews hate unions. That's why they support state employees, recruited from the bottom of the barrel, like teachers union in the US, to destroy their image, or just break them with "diversity" from third world countries.A white man union, like the factory workers in the US in the rarely 19th century, taking over, is their worst nightmare. We had that in France too. If the factory owners was a scumbag, workers (paid per day in cash) would just ignore his factory and work for a competitor. The way to break this was, again, mass immigration.
>>540433529*Early 20th century
>>540427559Did you a good job of that.https://youtube.com/shorts/lKuKIxJtYdE?si=GUMe2Oi15ucKuan9
>>540427559Oiest of ves goyim Communists did like 100 Holocausts against us Jews. It was horrible. You can't possibly support people who tried to claim we Jews were enemies of the state!I'm literally shaking rn my little black cube is gonna fall off and then I'll totally lose my shit
>>540427559>but you don't know our arguments.You mean the falling rate of profit?Why did marx's biggest prediction turn out to be dead wrong?Marxists are wrong about literally everything.You people are a religious cult that worships dictatorships.How the fuck do unironic communists still exist in 2026?
>>540428213>Why are all countries that try our ideas successful statesLMFAO what? They literally all collapsed, ended up like north korea or liberalized like china and vietnam.Why do you people lie all of the time?
>>540428648>The workers, the people at large, own the State.Uh no. The small elite "vanguard party" does.the workers in reality don't own shitsymbolically "owning" something while having no say in how it's run is nonsense
This is what happens when communists take over.Lenin was a massive failure.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWWqhsh848E
>>540429482>Like Singaporean socialism.Singapore is literally the most free market capitalist country on earth.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_economic_freedom
>>540427559the data says otherwise—
>>540427559
>>540429121You’re going to a grammar gulag once the revolution comes
>>540433743Communism is jewishmarx was a jew
>>540427559Just say bolshevikStop wearing the masksYou want everyone someone produces, like semen, female ejaculation, blood, tears, and babies
>>540428648>The buildings are called X but actually the state owns it and just uses taxes to give some of it backSo then the workers don't actually own it lmao
Be charitable to Op, a kike on his first Day of poisoning internet wells.He dent from power to the people, to tax workers to death.His sweat smells jewish from 2 km. Disgusting filthy creatures, kikes. No shame, no honor, nous honesty. Just lie until something sticks to the wall.And kikes then wonder why we hate them...maybe because they are devoid of any human qualities. The synagogue of satan. Even an atheist with a brain has to admit they are demonic.
Gommunism died anonEven chiner bowed to superior capitalism Claiming to be a gommunist in a western country;where everyone contributes to capitalism like it or not,makes that individual a poser
