>muh versailles was unfair
>>540432993>Boipussuanians
>>540432993Versailles was unfair, though. The territorial part wasn’t the issue. Well, at least not in the East. The territory given to Poland was perfectly reasonable, but France retaking Alsace-Lorraine was purely punitive. They had it before so they wanted it again, despite it being almost entirely German. The problem with Versailles besides the territorial issue with Alsace was all the punitive measures imposed on Germany, especially the debt. The country got fucked up. Even if Hitler had never existed, some other resentful person who had been radicalized would’ve risen up, because the punishment Germany faced created the perfect conditions for it. So yeah, anyone bitching about the territorial loss Germany faced in the East is being a drama queen, I agree. That being said, rarely could you ever find anyone who said “Yeah the Versailles treaty is fine, no problem with it, except that damn Poland part”. It’s typically the opposite if anything
>>540433301There are practical reasons why getting closer to Germany's industrial heartland was important to France, so taking that territory from them wasn't punitive.
>>540432993They should've split Germany into smaller states again like after the H.R.E.
>>540432993No not really.
>>540433301>They had it before so they wanted it again, despite it being almost entirely German.Wow, I guess you should give back half of the US to mexico thenBtw my family is from Alsace and majority except for Strasbourg were pro France. German people aren't all obsessed about being part of a giant kraut shithole that just dream of ruining europe. See Austria and Swiss also.
>>540432993whats a sorb
>>540435828
>>540436083a slav
>>540435828the map isnt accuratethere were plenty of germans living in the red areasthey were just split off from the fatherlandall democratic parties in Germany were seething about itHitler was actually a somewhat moderate towards Polandand splitting East Prussia from Germany was absolutely retarded
>>540436049the alsace germans are retarded cheering for that nigger shithole"France" isnt even a thingits a made up shithole
>>540436049The Mexicans moved in after the US took that land. It was almost entirely uninhabited beforehand.
>>540436239Is Germany a thing?
>>540432993dont you get tired playing around with your vpn you little jewish ratkid?
>>540436361its one of the few real countries in europethats why every kike like you is seethign about it
>>540436361no.>>540436458you are not a real country. you're merely a servile goy.
>>540436501and immediatly a seething kike shows up
>>540433301France was justified in taking Lorraine back. Alsace should have remained with Germany.
>>540436331Must be why half the town have spanish nameAnyway, playing the ethnic card to justify a land grab is rich coming from an american>>540436561Shut up bong
>>540436556you're the kike, axel springerovich. you only exist to protect israel.
>>540433301Germany barely paid 10% of the Versailles debts, even though France wanted much more, and Britain reigned them in, which was pretty unfair on France as they got fucked over and their industry destroyed while Germany deliberately surrendered as not to get any significant damage. The debts were constantly renegotiated and cancelled. Hitler just played on German arrogance by pretending they were harshly treated when they were not, and the inter-war period for Germany was decent as their main rival France was in ruins, the 1st world war being mainly fought in France.
France hasnt been relevant since 1871we killed that shithole like we killed England
>>540436721Mexicans aren’t Spaniards. Those towns have the names of Spanish Mission settlements. What land grab am I justifying?
>>540437004>Those towns have the names of Spanish Mission settlementsBack then mexico and spain were one. After Mexico gained independence these parts logically went to Mexico. And then the US conquered it. Also you took Florida straight from Spain. Meanwhile Germany didn't exist when we took Alsace. So I don't see why Americans lecture us on Alsace.
>>540432993Germany got a good deal on the land because it was by language and even if say only 40% of the pop spoke German, German would be the most common language even if 80% spoke something else at home.Hitler really needed to cool it about cutting off newly reformed Poland's only measly 50 mile wide sea access. Just build a fleet of fast ferries and He-111 and Ju-52 puddle jumpers.
>>540437214>Germany didn’t existYou’re trolling right?
>>540437231>just let your country be split up, you got a good dealfuck your shithole
>>540437004Mexican isn't an ethnicity, many of those Spaniards became Mexicans and their descendants are Mexican nowadays
>>5404368301/3 of france was destroyed, biggest demographic loss (more death percentage per population). How dare the """"winner"""" asked for its pre 1870 borders!!!Weird how Krauts don't seeth at Italian gaining South Tyrol though roflBecause I can assure you that these "Italians" don't all speak Italian lol
>>540437276As a unified nation they didn't. It exists since 1870 when they humiliated us at Versailles.
>>540437369"the winner"lolyou fougth a small part of the garman armyyou fuckign shithole
>>540437468We were fighting the whole thing once you made russia collapsed by spreading the judeo bolchevik virus onto it. Another wunder invention from the german philosopher minds.
>>540437435Germany has existed for over 1000 years
>>540437585ah yes except the british and the americans and we had millions of casualties on the eastern fronyou didnt win shit, you shithole
>>540436049Hey, I’m the guy you were responding to here. My ID may have changed. Anyway:No need to get so defensive. I’m simply explaining why Germans felt resentful towards Allied powers, and your country especially during the war.Comparing Alsace-Lorraine to former Mexican territories is laughable, though. 90% of territory claimed by Mexico that’s now a part of the US was never actually under their effective control. They effectively controlled a few settlements and missions on the coast of Southern and Central California, some settlements along the Rio Grande in New Mexico, and some small parts of Southern and Coastal Texas. There was an absurdly small amount of people there, many of whom did not feel loyal to Mexico, nor could they be effectively controlled by the Central government, as Mexico had a hard enough time controlling their modern-day North, let alone the modern-day Southwest United States. See picrel.Los Angeles had 700 people when Americans began settling it. It was described as a “humble pueblo” which is a polite way of saying a crumbling village outpost in a completely undeveloped area. Texas and California had almost nothing of what you see today besides a few old mission buildings. Nuevomexicanos often did not even consider themselves Mexican. Modern Mexican identity as it exists today was not yet codified and dominant everywhere. Mexico almost lost its modern day North and the Yucatan peninsula to secessionist movements, and those movements weren’t even driven by Anglo settlers. Anyways, as for your next point about Krauts being pro-France, I’m aware there was pro-French sentiment there. That doesn’t change the fact that Germans in Germany couldn’t give a fuck. Besides, I’m pretty sure the French government itself wasn’t exactly confident in the long term dominance of this sentiment, considering uhh, demographic shifts which occurred in Alsace, to put it lightly.
>>540437435this is a really semantic and complicated subject. Germany did exist and still exists as a nation with multiple states (BRD, Austria) the North German Confederation was a state, as was the German confederation it evolved from and the HRE before that. The Holy Roman Emperor used another title King of the Romans/King of the Germans.
>>540437553You know that's mostly due to post-WWII expulsions right? Nothing to do with Versailles
>>540437553the fake state of "czechoslovakia" was also created after WW1
>>540437587Not your modern nation created by das Bismarck. Austria should have won against Prussia.>>540437671why are you moving the goal post? you said that we fought a "small part" of the german army. Was the German Spring Offensive of 1918 a "small part" of the german army, y or n? >>540438017>many of whom did not feel loyal to MexicoSame with Alsacians towards Germany. Back when France took Alsace, they were some free state.>Germans in Germany couldn’t give a fuck.Well too bad for them (and the rest of Europe since their chimpout cost us a lot). Also weird how they don't care about Italy having south Tyrol (they took it in 1918, 0 past history). It's almost as if all of this is bullshit to justify imperialist wars.>>540438177> Germany did exist and still exists as a nation with multiple states (BRD, Austria) the North German Confederation was a state, as was the German confederation it evolved from and the HRE before that. The Holy Roman Emperor used another title King of the Romans/King of the Germans.Saying that modern day Germany is the successor of that is a complete non sense historically. German nations were fighting each other (see austria vs germany). So no, 1870 had 0 legitimacy to take Alsace, and to justify it then simply said "well because of ethnicity".
France isnt realit died in 1871 and then again in 1940
Germany was 100% justified in defending itself from the Jewish aggression in 1939. It's too bad the Jews and Freemasons worldwide won and pinned all the blame on them and even retro-actively in 1972 started pushing the holocaust lie.
>>540438378How is modern Germany not the successor to the HRE when you follow the historical evolution? France also fought other French states and proto-states, the hundred years war started because Philip VI wanted to seize the Duchy of Aquitaine from Edward III, does this mean that any conquests that France made in that era were illegitimate?
>>540438378>and to justify it then simply said "well because of ethnicity".That was a different US flag. But how do you justify the existence of France? As a nation-state or something else?
>>540437313lower than a Sea Monkeyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MalaysiaYou know there were lots of shitty Krauts in Poland whispering about "this Poland thing will be over soon and Berlin back in charge".Really should've deported all the Krauts from East Prussia or WTF and given the land to Poland if Hitler couldn't let it go and behave.
>>540432993It was unfair and that map isnt tracking Germans in Moravia and its innaccurately tracking Germans in Memel and Eastern Poland, I think its counting Memellanders as Lithuanian despite them identifying as neither German nor Lithuanian and when voting they voted to rejoin Germany.Also just forcing innocent German civilians to live under the thumb of another ethnic group for no other reason than punishment, thats insane.>but da Germans ruled over Polesbecause Poles didnt have a kingdom since the middle ages.Poland was revived by necromacy from the Middle Ages.Germany inherited its right to rule over Poland legitimately.Poland's rule over Germans was done by the treachery of Versailles.
>>540438667Why 1871? I can imagine 1789 during the "Jewvolution", but 1871 idk.
>>540432993i like how goyman didn't touch my land, but took all pooland. that will tell you who is superior.
>>540438378The Germans didn't care about Austria
>>540439301Bohemians and Moravians are confused Germans.
>>540439287France was decisively defeated in 1871b y Prussia and the other german stateshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXqmWX16iXEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVISzFmBiPU
>>540439151>Meme landerslel
>>540436049>half of the US1. Mexicans didnt even settle Northern Mexico until the 1870s, and Northern "Mexicans" were European Spaniards, Austrians, and French who petitioned to join the United States but our foolish shortsighted government said "no". Now ALL of Mexico is goblino.2. France has no right to Burgundy's former territories which were robbed of being apart of Germany through trickery and unfortunate wars of inheritance.The White parts of France are more like Germany.The Brown parts of France are more like Spain.TRVE GAVLs and Franks are for rebuilding Charlemagne's kingdom.Its only retarded liberalism that pushes infinite granularity in government formation.3. Germany is the most successful country in Europe, being a leader in science, technology, and finance, the strongest economy, and Germany has consistently produced the most righteous nobility and most righteous and enlightened peasantry, a fact that makes being a non-elite actually bearable. Without Germany Normies would be 100% subhuman instead of 99%.Germany is the Israel of White people.
>>540439421Austrians are Germans and they did care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_question
>>540436361Yes obviously as Germany has a unified ethnic fabric, a unified history, and a unified culture.Germany can actually function at a high level.Theyre the sole European country that can go beyond 50m people and not become assbackward democratic retards ruled by oligarchs manipulating the masses.Germany has China tier levels of mass organization, something no other European ethnic group has.I suspect Nords would have it and maybe would surpass Germans but Nords for some reason hate beauty and so they refuse to breed, Pandas of the north.
>>540439625It was a rhetorical question, because he said that France isn’t a thing. They are both nations.
>>540432993you also have to chop up europe and give most of it to turkey. slavs have always been turkish invaders, they spread like wildfire. if you went back in time far enough there would be no slavs but only germans all the way to the eastern border of russia and also in the middle east, no turkroaches, only german people.
>>540439708half of "France" didnt even speak french 2000 yers agoyou dont understand "France" if you think its a nation the same way Germany is
>>540437214>Mexico and Spain were oneNo, they werent.There was Viceroyalty, Crown land, and independent Spanish settled land.The American South West wasnt settled or owned by Mexico and was claimed long after Spain and Mexico went separate ways.>>540436830Britain blockaded Germany for months after the treaty had been signed just to punish them.How is imposed starvation not harsh?How is stealing 1/5 of German land not harsh?How is what was done to Austria not harsh either?How is forcing civilized humans to live under Slavic orcs not a crime?>>540437369You lost the war fairly, Britain cynically pulling you across the Finish line doesnt garner you a seat at the table.You should have been punished for your defeat.
>>540439798*200 years
>>540438378Why SHOULD France have Alsace anyway?Youre never going to do anything great with it, youre filling it with Orcs.
>>540439798And yet people still spoke French 200 years ago, that proves that French people exist. The borders of the French nation you can debate but not it’s existence.
>>540439447>>540439301Youre Germans in denial, and what you did to Austria was wrong.>DA HECKIN SKODA WAS STOLEN BY DA NAZISok well Skoda was built by Austrians and then Czechs nationalized it in 1919 and then stole all of Austria's gold lol.That famous Czech gold people screech about, it wasnt even Czech, it was Austrian.
>>540433301>Even if Hitler had never existed, some other resentful person who had been radicalized would’ve risen up, because the punishment Germany faced created the perfect conditions for it. Imagine if a pro-soviet version of Hitler arose? Without the eastern front and without having to save the Italians from their own military incompetence, he would have most likely reached London and Lisbon.
>>540439989France is jewish prison ruled by Paris
>>540440097And Germany is a based paradise a local rule?
>>540440176of local rule*
>>540440176France doesnt exist without ParisBerlin is unimportant to Germany
>>540432993Wtf is a Sorb?
>>540439989France being inbetween Germany and the Atlantic makes people think its a civilized region on the "human" half of Europe.Its not. France is a wild frontier where Medbugs roam and uncivilized deranged gauls piss and fart on each other.France isnt a real country because real countries are civil, France is a wilderness of culture.>but the architectureyes the architecture, the remnants of isolated noble estates, country estates, built by a nobility that was three stratum above the ignorant barbarians dwelling inbetween Burgundy and the Western Sea who surrounded them in the hinterlands of that savage region they call "France".France is a handful of enlightened rural estates surrounded by a wilderness of ignorance and stupidity.Its not a real country anymore than a handful of Texas plantations surrounded by Comanche tribesmen are a real country.
>>540440303German-Polish mutts who realized they can leverage their identity to have special privileges in Germany.
>>540439805Go on play on semantics. Point remains: the dudes those parts were conquered by the US and the guys who built the towns such as "San Diego" weren't John Smiths for sure.But suuuure France taking Alsace it like totally not okay!>Britain cynically pulling you across the Finish line doesnt garner you a seat at the table.They really didn't. British suck at land warfare.
>>540440257Perhaps, but I don’t see how that makes France not a real nation. It just evolved in a much more centralized way after the Carolingian civil war. Which by the way makes both France and Germany a single nation, Franks.
>>540432993Poles didn't fight. The Axis liberated Polish lands from Russia, creating the first modern Poland in 1916.
>>540440314lmao
>>540440352Mesolithic Hunter Gatherers built France, Neanderthals built France, its not yours it belongs to the Neolithic tribesmen who built the dolmens of Carnac.Marseille belongs to the Greeks, Massalia not Marseille.The guys who built the towns such as Marseille werent Pierre d'Beauforts
>>540440556Exactly! Then don't complain about Alsace
>>540440436>Poles didn't fight.Poles fought in all three armies of their partitioners. Quite literally forced to fight their own kin on the other side. It was because such a large number of them was in military service that they could win against the Bolsheviks.
>>540440675Alsace is only french because you sucked american cockyou worthless shithole
>>540440675>>540440753Who cares if Germany or France own Alsace? Germany and France are supposed to be one nation in the first place.
>>540440935you dont seem to know a lot on france and german relation... nobody in france nor in germany would ever want to be part of each other, btw france has too much jews, so me neither
>>540440935Lotharingia would be the richest and most powerfull nation on earth if it still existed.
>>540435968wouldn't matter they were all self determinists and germans would just vote to reunite. liberal failings
>>54044068216,500 on the Germany/Austria side. Not exactly "large numbers".
>>540441077They are still heirs of a common heritage.
>>540432993>noo, you have no claim on the cities and regions you builddilate
>>540433301The Alsace-Lorraine question is not so simple as "they wuz Germans" the Alsatian language is similar to Luxembourgish, so it's related but distinct to standard German. It would be like the Czechs claiming Sorbian lands because they are also Slavic.On top of this, it had been a part of France for centuries before Prussia annexed it in 1871. The generals and politicians waging WW1 were older then German Alsace Lorraine itself. (Many of the French military leadership even served during the Franco-Prussian War)Beyond all of that was the fact that France had to bear the brunt of basically the entire western front being fought on their own territory. (Parts of northern France are still uninhabitable to this day) The desire for compensation and to avoid repeating this meant that the return of French lands up to the natural frontier of the Rhine was basically non-negotiable.Regarding the way too harsh, very unfair reparations, the reasoning for it again stemmed from the above factors. Btw, speaking of the Franco-Prussian war, Prussia also imposed reparations meant to cripple France but France just nutted up and paid it off early. Germany on the other hand, constantly played injured gypsy in an attempt to get the reparations cancelled. Weimar Era hyperinflation? A direct result of Germany intentionally inflating their own currency to try sabotaging reparations payments. Even after that when things stabilized the allies were still willing to essentially forgive German war debts and they stopped paying in 1933. (See >>540436830)TL;DR "muh Versailles" is all just one massive German cope. They basically chimped out on their neighbor, gave up when things were about to turn on them, then seethed about how they "dindu nuffin" only to promptly chimp out again and get buckbroken for good. Truly a spiritually niggerbrained nation
>>540432993Remember the 6 million Sorbs o7.
>>540441166Lothar was supposed to rule all three, but his faggot brothers decided to doom Europe to centuries of civil war and division.
What are Sorbs like these days?
Germany simply needs to die off quietly and not cause the world any more trouble. Their nation has brought more than enough misery into this world. Let over other people replace Germans.
>>540439625bro what are you talking about. china is basically soft anarchy
>>540441527>turkishkek
>>540441275what stupid french liesalsace is a german dialect its not a distinct langueyou lying french nigger
>>540432993The part with "Poles" is a lie. The designated various non-Polish tribes as Poles to get to those numbers. But Sorbs, Masrurians, Kashubians etc may be Slavic, but certainly are not Polish. They also didn't want to be part of Poland.
>>540441576>muttStill, thank you for kicking germans in the ass. One of the very few good things americans ever did for our planet.
>>540441780Turks are the most mutted people on the planet. I am in Constantinople right now and the variety of phenotypes I see in the “native” population is fascinating.
>>540441527Unless you're a K*rd that's the most ironic statement I've ever read. Not only is Turkey dying out its responsible for some of the worst atrocities in history.>>540432993Germany did nothing wrong in relation to WW1, Russia started the war by mobilizing first and had a pre-war pact with France to divide up Germany between themselves, they planned out the whole thing.
>>540441983Poland also mobilized before Germany did in WW2
>>540441780>k*rd doesn't realize Germany and Turkey were on the same side in WW1no wonder your race is so fucking stupid and easily used by Israel/America
>>540441927>mutt flag>I'm in Istanbul right nowDid you rub those 3 little neurons of yours together to come up with such a shitty lie?
>>540442120>doesn’t know how a sim card works
>>540442047Poland literally wanted the war in WW2, because they thought France would save them, and ironically it would have if they had comitted, but WW1 loses had taught the French they had to be cowardly and hope for a defensive victory. Poles were just so high on copium/stupid when consulting with the French they couldn't figure out they were getting betrayed.
>Turkey dying out its responsible for some of the worst atrocities in history.Killing Europeans is not an atrocity. We did many good deeds for the planet by killing millions of Europeans
>>540433301>the debtYou mean the one germany was forgiven from paying after trying to jew its way out of paying?
>>540432993It was more to do with the debt and disarmament which left Germany completely defenseless and economically handicapped indefinitely. The treaty wasn't even slightly reasonable, the territorial losses were the least of the problems.
>>540442120I think this guy tried to sell me some “hand painted” tiles today
>>540442349>>540442198>mutt flagYou're a pathetic, little liar cunt. Find a better excuse next time you room temperature IQ oxygen thief.
>>540442494Here’s a cruise ship I took. picture of today in the Bosporus and now I am on the wifi here. You should learn how sim cards work, mutt. Bring me more roach coffee.
>>540442937
>Germany takes Ukraine, Belarus, Baltics, Poland, Finland>Heh, das Realpolitik>Germany loses territories with majority non-germans>it was... le hecking unfair!kill germnigs
>>540443270>Finland
>>540443270>loses in two weeks against germnigsthe only reason Germany doesnt own Europe is due to americanscertainly not shitholes like yours
>>540442349I loaded up his semi with scrap steel a couple days ago. Dude gets around apparently.
>>540443270
>>540443379kek
>>540443379what does that have to do with what I wrote, dumb shit lover? Poland was a kiked shithole high on copium but it doesn't mean that germcucks didn't get fucked hard enough
>>540443270>mandatory polish butthurtthanks for your service
>name is gerbils>looks like a rat
>>540432993If some German tries to tell you the Treaty of Versailles was unfair, just tell him that what the Germans did to the Russians (Treaty of Brest-Litovsk) was 10 times worse.
>>540433301>France retaking Alsace-Lorraine was purely punitive. They had it before so they wanted it again, despite it being almost entirely German.This does not mean the German speakers ever identified with Germany the country. They were Alsatians and Lorrainers first and foremost. Anyway, what's wrong with its return being "purely punitive"? Nothing whatsoever. Dindu Nuffins had no business taking it by force in the first place so crying about losing it again is peak lederhosen faggotry.
>>540445967oh really, russia was split in half?tell us more
>>540446159how many french shills are on this baord that repeat the same shit again and again?
>>540446207Facts hurt the deluded nationalist, I see.
>>540432993The kraut will always tell you what happened to him but never why it happened to him
>>540446268your nigger shithole called "France" isnt even a real nation
