>>540456461They can't. The US MIC deindustrialized after 1991 since they never imagined they'd have to fight a real war.
>>540456604This. Completely insane that the American government reacted to winning the cold war by giving the next-biggest communist power the manufacturing base that just won said cold war.And in exchange we... got to also give the CCP nuclear icbm tech? What?
>>540456461It makes them less money and it’s probably more dangerous.
Wouldn't they need to literally build more factories? That takes years.
>>540456461you need to get worried when ford makes planes and for some reason you cant buy christmas lights or hearing aids anymore
This is a problem only because of orange niggers tariffs and its funny as fuck.The commodity needed to build this shit changed routes after countries found different partners.China also stopped sending these commodities needed after trump went full tariff on them also.Dumb as he is, he is fighting a war he is losing because the shit needed to keep this war going is no longer there. Stilll he thinks US has everything and dont need anything from anyone else and blah blah blah.Just wait until next year when shit really is going to hit the fan. That part is going to be insane. But of course, people have no clue.
>>540456461Fox news told me we weren't out of weapons so I say we should withhold the spending. It's time conservatives put their money where their mouth is and follow their principles of small government.
>>540457242That's just ONE of the many barriers. The bigger problem is rare earth materials and the ability to process them. Heebs are ultra retards and they tied a bunch of weapons manufacturing to dependent on foreign production. Even a 12 year old could tell you that's a bad idea.Jews really wanted to shave those shekel coins down for maximum profit. So here's the pay out. Rest in piss jew kikes.
>>540457765America has massive rare-earth deposits in california. They are dirty though, which is why we got addicted to communist suppliers. We got to pass all the environmental laws to fell good while exporting the filthy aspects overseas. What a catastrophically bad decision. It'll take decades to get everything up and running like during the 20th century.
>>540457635Military just put out a shitload of money towards military contractors to build munitions now, not in a few years, right now because stockpiles are zero. It's our own fucking Military telling us they have no fucking munitions. Where the fuck did all the money go?
>>540456461defense companies are full of useless jew daycare leaches
>>540458377its a giant pyramid scheme. we laughed at russia because it turns out everyone in their defense hierarchy was stealing, lying, and slacking and it showed when they actually tried to do something. well same thing happened here to our defense hierarchy
>>540458412The fuck they supposed to do, shit out tungsten? The communist said no and we gutted our own ability to produce it ourselves.
>>540456461Can't order parts from China fast enough with the new export controls
>>540458377Buying beach houses, private jets, and yachts for defense contractor executives and shareholders. You know, important shit.
>>540458460As least russia lasted years. America is crippled against an enemy that can't even reach it within a few months? The degradation of the military between Bush and now is unprecedented.
The industry is built to make money, not weapons
>>540456461MoneyIf I produce 3000 eggs. They were worth less than if I produce 300, than if I produce 30, if I have a monopoly.They will produce 1 middle a year and sell it for 1 trillion dollars eventually if we survive that long.This is capitalism baby!Republicans are also the originators of immigration.
>>540456461Jews
>>540456461Guided missiles reqire strong, permanent magnets to operate as intended. The US does not have a manufacturing base that can supply them those magnets. Simple as.
>>540456461iron dome >>>>>> any us military needin the first place, most interceptor was depleted to defend israel from iran barrage TWICE. they launched several interceptor against 1 incoming missile to make sure it went down.meanwhile iran used old missiles and decoys....
>>540456461And create more expenditures? Ohhhh, the stockholders aren't gonna like that!>tfw your country's defense is in the hands of greedy financebros
>>540457464Schizo emperor of a dying empire
>>540456461>Why aren't defense firms building more weapons?They need (even) more bribes, payoffs, and tax subsidies.
>>540457242We still have our factories, most are just mothballed. The defense production act requires factories to be able to be reactivated if needed, but it would still take many months to even get them running, and probably a year or two to get them fully staffed and fully productive.
>>540458988We dont have magnet factories, mothballs or not, we simply do not have them. If you want guided missles/interceptors, you need magnet factories.Simple as.
>>5404589882 years hard minimum. This country does not have the trained workforce to get factories up and running quickly. They're going to have to convince people to go to trade school and then wait for them to finish, and good luck with that considering the fact that Republicans will absolutely demand that those prospective workers pay for it all themselves.
>>540456461There ain't no money maing, turns out line going up don't equal shit getting done
>>540457139>givingI hate this gay ass meme, China bought that shit when America went bankrupt in 08, those of us who lived in the era still remember China not only bought the fabrics, they bought the schools and a shit ton of land and resources to go with it. Throwing your nation away to make Jews rich has consequences you know?
>>540459318The average American never had even an iota of involvement with that decision, anon. But, even still, your point does stand.
>>540458988>>540459200And honestly the defense contractors are just making the rational decision to not actually do it. If they hopped to and did it as fast as possible...well what if Trump gets thrown out on his ass, some Muslim DSA guy gets the presidency, and he cancels all the orders? Millions thrown away for a war that will certainly be lost this year no matter what they do anyway. Why jump to it?
>>540459318The giving was in the 80'/90's desu and it was certainly giving. Just like America is now giving to India.
>>540458247>America has massive rare-earth deposits in california. They are dirty thoughAll rare earth deposits are "dirty". What Asia does is processing and refining which can be a toxic process and because of that the US regualtions have made it so that its nearly an impossible undertaking for American manufacturers to make.One does not simply pull "clean" rare earth out of the ground.
>>540458988Doesn't matter how many factories you have if you don't have the materials you need to make shit
>>540458247and no one will invest in this shit, they'll grift, but they won't seriously invest into it, there's no profit to it.
>>540459318You must be 18 years or older to post here.
>>540459977Thus, the American military dies while on a transfusion of communist slave labor. Oil may be the blood, but a modern military needs protein, it needs METAL.
>>540460056Kek, you dumb mother fucker, go watch one of those Michael Moore movies, I don't remember which one it is, probably bowling for Columbine, it will explain why you're now poor and full of Mexicans, is in one of his movies
>>540460056I think is actually this one, bowling was before the crisis
>>540456461Because they just take money
None of the war the US in is an existential crisis level. US could easily stop participating in the conflict at any moment. If you increase your production and the conflict end, you will be left with tons of unsold stocks, and any new plant or production line would be dead weight. By taking it slowly, not only do you avoid possible loss due to overexpansion, you can charge more for the same stock because of how scarce and how needed they are
>>540458733We can make magnets in the lab if needed. Just need to build the factory for it though. lol
>>540456461american boomers fell for their own propaganda then got fat, greedy and lazy it's sad but at least they enjoyed decades of american supremacy
>>540459520And that's going to apply to trying to get workers too. Why spend time and money learning how to do this shit when even if the orders don't get cancelled once they've fulfilled their contracts they'll just do mass layoffs to save money?
>>540456461Because you can't just crank out highly complex munitions in bulk without either building more factories or having a huge decline in quality.
>>540460469>>540460536>Fucking Michael Moore>Admitting/implying you are a VPNfagOpinion discarded
Probably because China controls core components and may restrict the export of these
>>540456461The supply chains are long for these weapons. It can take 50 months from the initial order to weapon delivery.
*blocks your genocide path*
>>540456604Yeah this is bs. Russia managed to refurbish old tech and build a new base and so can USA given the incentive. USA has just as much old tech as russia does/did, the context is just different: can't do anything with tanks in Iran, not even use them as glorified artillery. USA can't do a naval assult. Literally shooting ducks tier. They can't stage an invasion from the east via iraq/kuwait because it takes time to amass forces during which you'd get harassed all the way through. Pakistan is the best bet but then you drag pakies into the war which they will not do because it leaves them in a weak position against India and it's not a cake walk to invade from a moutainous area either. Regime change was the game plan and it didn't work. A real invasion of Iran if serious will be the bloodiest war US has ever been a part of.
Probably not in the contract is it?
>>540456461Your homeland security is not economically viable goy
>>540457139That didn't happen until Bill Clinton, who was literally caught taking campaign funds from a Chinese nationalist eeked out a third way victory against two republicans. NYC was then flooded with China's undesirables, and then the subversion began.
>trillion dollar military budget>”sorry, we’re out of weapons! how about this $300 screw?”
>>540457139the epstein class made sooooo much money though
>>540459318>i had no choice they offered me money to betray my second country goy
>>540456461If they run out of missiles I guess they can just use people.
>>540462223>Hating Michael Moore You're a tranny
>>540456461Why are we so incapable of producing things these days compared to WW1, WW2 and the cold war?
>>540462312Building old tech won't do shit, the generals already stated they have bombed everything that could be bombed, even Trump himself admitted they bombed everything they could have bombed. Close to obliterating the country and doing countless war crimes there is no point on spending the capital, first the President will need to declare war, Congress approve, resources diverted and then you have the whole WW3 escalation possibly, so on, so forth. Is a cluster fuck, it was always a cluster fuck and escalating will only make it an even bigger cluster.Now they're selling pipe dreams
>>540456461>Pentano presses defense firmsWhat is that? Communism?
They won't unless the government signs a long-term deal, otherwise it's not worth the venture.
OH GOOD TENS OF BILLIONS MORE FOR WEAPONS TO REPLACE WASTED WEAPONS THEY'RE GOING TO WASTE ON WARS THEY PROMISED THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START AND NOT ONE CENT FOR THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED MAYBE DON'T START WARS OF CHOICE THEN FAIL AT IT NEXT TIME FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>>540459153do magnets
>>540463950This is the only real answer. These companies are purely diriven by wanting to make as much money as somehow possible, and making more weapons (or even making them at a reasonable price) is not in their interest. The US is utterly slave to "le free market" (A few rich intrest gorups)Same fuel prices go up in the US while they export fuel. If they had the means to even do some nationalizing the US would not need to care abotu hormuz
>>540462852I wonder if they simply don't have the talent to pull it off.
>>540462852Your industries were much more nationalizedThe richest people paid basically 95% tax.Now its all owned by shit like Blackrock and rich people officially have no money, its all "legal persons" who through 5 loopholes pay less tax then Jimmy the store clerk working at Gamestop. This also makes Jimmy not want to go sign up
>>540456461Because many of these weapons were too expensive to be useful from the beginning. But military faggots applied the same retarded logic like leftards when they argue "Elon Musk should pay to end world hunger", arguing "we can afford to shoot 5M missiles at 5k drones for a very long time". It's not about the money - the price is just a representation of how hard and complicated it is to make things.Bringing cost down is not something you do when pressed or poor, but of strategic importance.
>>540456461What others have said but also this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxwF93wnRQo&t=7s
>>540456461A lot of the IC components that goes into the fancy missiles and guidance systems are now sourced from China. A rare earth embargo can literally deplete your missile stockpile within months, especially at the rate they were bombing Iran during the initial week..
>>540464378>This is the only real answerNoThe US can't produce much at scale anymore, especially if it's advancedIt's the same reason the bridge in Baltimore that got hit by that jeet is still far from being repairedIt's the same reason billions were thrown at high speed rail for 0 feet to be laidIt's the same reason that ~500 billion was invested in semi conductor manufacturing to amount to not a lotYou can't run an advanced economy with this many nons, especially if they're shoehorned in places that they have no business being inMost of the people with degrees cannot perform the function of their titleMost of the low level workers are semi retardedI'll give an anecdotal example of a good friend that works at a major defense company (one you've heard of)He designed a prototype for a partSent the specs down to the fab deptSits there longer than it shouldHe says wtfGoes down there after days, turns out 0 progress has been madeThey stuck some mestizo on itHe had to go find the 1 White guy in the deptAsked that guys boss if he could use him to make the prototypeFinally agrees, part gets made, works in no timeBasically weeks wasted because of nonsWhile I want this empire to fail and in principle have no problem such things happening because it's hilarious to watch zog flounder, it's a microcosm of why the US in incapable of ramping up production in a major wayYes the US could produce a lot more trucks or something more simple, but when it comes to advanced electronics or weapons systems, or key components that are difficult to manufacture, throwing money, pajeets in the mid level, and mestizos at the low level will yield the results that everyone here expectsAdd a bunch of jews and harpies in HR for insult to injury
>>540456461Because the money is laundered to fake shell companies that make nothing.
>>540457765And now Jews have to submit to Iran for their greed. Too bad so sad.
>>540458582Right? 5 months and we still lost all our bases. Complete embarrassment.
>>540456461They are, but the US keeps giving away all the weapons to Israel for free while going deeper and deeper in debt.
>>540459238But Sam Altman and Elon Musk said AI will create matter out of thin air because "reasons"
>Oh no why doesn't the country which has been hurt the most by Israel do thing so that Israel can keep existingwhat the fuck are threads on /pol/ these days?
>>540458247Holy shit, imagine the red tape in Cali trying to get a rare erfs mine set up. Might as well not bother.
>>540456461because greedy merchants love capacity constrained markets as those limit competition and drive prices up - they dont see a difference between stick of ram or missile interceptor - current "free market" is so corrupted by oligopolies, cartels and backroom deals that its totally dysfunctional
>>540456461No materials, no factories, no skilled workers, etc. And nobody will care to actually do anything (aside from stealing money) because Trump will be out of the office before anything could be completed anyway.
>>540465036Whats baffling to me is that you fags have one (1) factory to produce raw TNT, and that something as simple as artillery shells cant increase in production. You poured billions into three or so factories, and all but one is producing way less than projected.>>540466263>totally dysfunctionalbut it works as intended
As it turns out, outsourcing everything into china and india just so that useless eaters (investors, shareholders, mic contractors and fiat money lenders) who hate middleclass can pocket more money with higher margins without doing any actual work has it's drawbacks.Who wudda thunk dat?
>>540456461kek, this board is literally retarded81 replies and not even close
>>540467405And you added another one, even more useless than everything else combined.
>>540456461The truth of the matter is we deindustrialized and outsourced all our manufacturing to China (and other countries) because of their extremely cheap labor and lax labor and environmental laws. It was simply cheaper to have all the low and mid end manufacturing done elsewhere, so we could do the advanced finishing steps here. That was what allowed America to win the Cold War and enjoy unprecedented prosperity for the last 30 years. And it's what is going to damn us all to hell now as globalism and our global supply chains and networks breakdown. Those countries who fell behind because they opted out of the system will be at an advantage because they have most of their necessary manufacturing and processes 'in house'. We though? We're fucked. We need to reshore all these factories, we need to spend years training up a workforce AND incentivising them to go work in these factories, and we need to change a whole bunch of labor and environmental safety laws to get our capitalist class to even give a shit (why invest here if the third world is cheaper at the end of the day.)There is an option that most of /pol/ would hate - and that is reforming a version of our global network to just North America, and have Mexico and South America be our new manufacturing hubs with some juicy free trade agreements. But Trump already fucked that by tossing out NAFTA and butchering NAFTA 2 and making in poison for Mexico to swallow.Meanwhile China is basically like how the US was pre-WWII - it has raw materials and industry aplenty and when WWIII inevitably kicks off, they'll be able produce at scale at levels that would make US military planners cry in bed.>But muh terrible quality ChinkshitThe quality doesn't matter so much as quantity. And when the US is depleted within the first months of the war (or sooner based on this embarrassing Iran war performance), China will quickly find the advantage as it out produces and outguns us.
>>540467344It's run by retards who have no real world experience. The people who built our industrial base are dead and the ones that maintained it are retired/retiring.
>>540457139american culture is just being kikes and making money even if it involves a form of suicide
>>540465036I think it's fair to say that "nationalism" or whatever you want to call it definitely plays a part in such roles, I mean it does in any job, but some guy who is partioritc is going to feel more of a duty to perform well compared to someone who sees it as no different to working at McDonald's, at the end of the day he still goes home alone to no family and ZOG'd society. You know what I mean? It absolutely has an effect on the chain. If nobody is moralised to work then they won't, they'll do the bare minimum.
>>540458247What company in its right mind would make an investment like that in CaliMexico?
>>540457242Plus that's risky as hell. It's completely against all interest of a systems manufacturer to build extra capacity. That's just going to cost a whole lot, and that's going to mean thst you're going to be stuck with a useless factory when the war ends.Far better to maintain status quo where there is endless money coming in and the manufacturing books are going to be filled far into the future.
>>540457464This is over 30 years of mismanagement. Everyone with a brain warned these dumb boomers that this would happen.
>>540456461Because that's old outdated tech that they thought they wouldn't have to keep using but they're too pussy to showcase new tech against a third world shithole like Iran.
The United Israeli States of America only faces one threat, its native population.Destroying ones own infastructure is counter productive.
Good luck making current americans work. Jeets, nigs, even non Mexican spics, muzdog muhomies, drugged people, whites are nigged up, women i mean bitches.... alright now put them in a factory and make them work. Good luck.Depending on an ever lowering amount of traditional american stock upkeeping all this bs will not work.Im waiting when bubba from the south stops joining the military.Long story short, its over. Just gotta go through the motions.
>>540456461Because that would be inconvenient for those media shills who want Trump's war to fail.
>>540462344You know that Israel was also involved in this. Back when the plan was to jump to a new host.
