>>540466026
AI will solve it

>>540466026
Gravity-Thermal Engine (GTE):
- Closed-loop Pumped Storage Hydro (PSH) using the Francis turbine built above floodplains with cascading storage tiers via concrete faced rockfill dams (CFRDs).
- Pumped Thermal Energy Storage (PTES).
- Supercritical CO2 (sCO2) turbine.
- Electric Thermal Energy Storage (ETES) with Combined Heat and Power (CHP).

Gravity is the stabiliser. Thermal energy is the driver.
The water-based gravitational loop provides grid stability, baseline inertia, and cooling.
The fire-based thermodynamic loop provides bulk energy storage, power amplification, and heating.

The metric is not gravitation energy or thermodynamic percentage; it is resource conservation.
The cascading hydro tiers handle the steady-state baseload on their own.
The sCO2 turbine is a thermodynamic force multiplier.


Pair it with -
Pumped Thermal Energy Storage (PTES):
Bidirectional thermodynamic machine.
Uses electricity to run a heat pump, creating a high-temperature hot store and a low-temperature cold store, and then reverses the cycle to generate electricity. It is designed to change states and balance the sCO2 fluid loop.

Electric Thermal Energy Storage (ETES):
Passive thermal vault.
Converts electricity into heat via resistive elements, holds it, or accepts raw thermal energy directly from an external source.


When done a certain way, you don't need to bother with anything else. Nuclear would be the only upgrade.

>>540466026
Costs more for a kWh of electricity. If you disagree you are free to invest into one (you won't)

>>540466422
>Supercritical CO2 (sCO2) turbine

There's also co2 battery that's coming up.

>>540466026
the fishies bump their heads on them and die, think of the fishies

>>540466026
Because beaches and tides tend to be useful for far more important purposes, such as logistics and fishing.

Also there is a lot of wishful thinking involved in its yields as the ocean is absolutely merciless and makes a mockery of any remotely optimistic maintenance cost forecasts, that is what makes it unviable.

there'd be no more fishies if they all drowned

>>540466446
There's more to it and 'd post everything but I don't want to take over your thread.

>>540466026
>Billion times safer than Nuclear or Fusion.

Why are you retarded ?

>>540466436
Wow, a non-retarded post
This, it has to beat a solar panel sitting passively in the sun and a turbine only dealing with air. The mechanical stresses and saltwater being corrosive carry too much cost comparatively. Plus location isn't a trivial prohlem to solve

>>540466586
fuck the fishes nigga spin that thang

>>540466436
Nuclear costs 20 billion and 15 years to build at minimum per GW. It's the most expensive out of them all. Solar and tidal is enough to power the whole world.

>>540466026
seawater is not particularly nice on moving metal parts

>>540466026
iirc tidal's main problem is that all the good spots are also good spot for maritime traffic - and since "10x more dense than other renewable" still doesn't mean much, there is no good reason to ever build one.

>>540466646
...Then why doesn't it?
Oh yeah, reality doesn't give a crap about theoretical unicorns.
>Wah wah wah we are held back, wah wah wah we dindu!
It's always the same story with you grifters.

>>540466646
No is building nuclear either for the exact same reason but if you disagree you are free to invest into that (you won't)

>>540466712
Tidal is safer. Imagine someone drone bombing your local nuclear plant? Bad right? Nuclear is a legitimate target. The whole world should phase out nuclear reactors and nuclear in general.

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>>540466817
>Nuclear costs 20 billion and 15 years to build at minimum per GW. It's the most expensive out of them all.
>The whole world should phase out nuclear reactors and nuclear in general.
Hello Moshe. Still trying to convince the goodest goyim to keep destroying their industry and energy sector?
You cheeky you.

>>540466026
The ocean is perhaps the most hostile terrestrial environment

>>540466944
Are you scared of large water bodies?

>>540466817
They often do in Ukraine, doesn't do much since a nuclear reactor is effectively a hyperfortified bunker.
It's not gonna get dangerously damaged by some stray shells or toy drone. Plus it's not to the advantage or in the interest of any invader or conqueror to cause a local nuclear disaster.

Whereas centralising all your power to just the electricity risk provides a massive "Hit me here for double damage!" marker that Russia eagerly abuses.

Only easily transportable alternative sources of power like fossil fuels are a real alternative to that, though Iran has recently demonstrated that nuclear fuel is also rather easy to transport unblockably, which works well in combination with nuclear plants' resilience (though obviously nuckear plants still rely on the grid, unlike fossil fuel generators)

>>540466980
Any even remotely sane and smart man is wary of the ocean, any bit of engineerinh humanity ever made is deathly afraid of it.

>>540467221
Lol pussy. You definitely got bullied and raped.

>>540467253
Ha, i'll take your feeble ad hominem as your concession you shill.

>>540467253
>>540467273
...Also it's low-key hilarious to unintentionally claim anyone has been bullied by the ocean, lmao

>>540466026
Tidal power is misanthropic malinvestment retardation promoted by the left.

We don’t need any power though

It isn’t in short supply, they just charge as much as they can for it which is killing people

>>540467341
It has never been tried on a meaningful scale.

>>540466026
WELL YOU SEE
SEA WATER TENDS TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM
OF BEING EXTREMELY FUCKING CORROSIVE

>>540467412
Same was/is claimed about communism, also turned out to be as stupid as it sounded.

>>540467430
Just coat it with non-corrosive paint and layer it with fiber reinforced plastic.

>>540467477
Why don't you literally just try that faggot?
It's always easy to demand others waste their limited resources on your harebrained plans.
>But i have no resources!
Even more reasob to suspect your plans are harebrained then.

>>540466607
> saltwater being corrosive
if only there was a technology involving electricity which could solve this

>>540467533
It should be a non-profit dumbass. Why are we even paying for electricity? We already pay for taxes.

>>540467412
That's exactly the point. They want to make you pay for stuff that doesn't work so they can front run it and make millions while sabotaging capitalism.

>>540466026
>If Germany had won, Europe and US would be entirely powered on tidal alone.
Based on what?

And you're asking why wind turbines aren't built underwater. Maybe because it's all the problems of wind turbines with saltwater and whales?

>>540467561
Nobody talks about payment faggot, your workers need food, transport, your materials need to be mined or otherwise created.

Are you genuinely this dense really just a bad green cult shill?

>>540466026
That would stop the tides and deorbit the moon you moron

>>540466436
>What, you won't build your own electric grid? What a hypocrite.

>>540466422
>Thanks changpt

>>540466026
>Tidal
That's moon energy. Harvest it and suck the moon closer. Peak boomer idea

>>540467630
Trying to conflate a working prototype of appropriate scale with an electric grid is a tad too obvious to not be a hilariously bad attempt.

>>540467651
Blackest post so far, kudos.

>>540467618
Lmao this guy

>>540466026
Saltwater is the killer, anything in the ocean will rot or be rendered useless by sea life.

>>540467651
Why pull closer and not push further?

>>540467643
Gravity-Thermal Engine (GTE):
- Closed-loop Pumped Storage Hydro (PSH) using the Francis turbine built above floodplains with cascading storage tiers via concrete faced rockfill dams (CFRDs).
- Pumped Thermal Energy Storage (PTES).
- Supercritical CO2 (sCO2) turbine.
- Electric Thermal Energy Storage (ETES) with Combined Heat and Power (CHP).

PSH + PTES + sCO2 + ETES-CHP / GTE

Gravity is the stabiliser. Thermal energy is the driver.
The water-based gravitational loop provides grid stability, baseline inertia, and cooling.
The fire-based thermodynamic loop provides bulk energy storage, power amplification, and heating.

The metric is not gravitation energy or thermodynamic percentage; it is resource conservation.
The cascading hydro tiers handle the steady-state baseload on their own.
The sCO2 turbine is a thermodynamic force multiplier.

>>540467853
Global Atlas of Closed-Loop Pumped Hydro Energy Storage
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2542435120305596

ANU atlas lists 23 million gigawatt-hours (GWh) of potential storage capacity globally. Global electricity demand is less than 1% of that figure.

1 GW per million people + 20 hours energy storage discharge = 20 GWh energy storage per million people. 20 billion litres of pumped hydro accounts for 1 million people.

If applied to Australia with its current 28 million population, it would require a maximum of x800 100 MW stations to achieve continental baseload. Build 1000 just in case.

The ANU Global PHES Atlas explicitly identifies nearly 4,000 structurally viable, high-head, closed-loop pumped hydro sites along the eastern coast of Australia alone. 1000 stations = 25% of naturally available locations.

>>540467864
A single target capacity can be divided into multiple smaller, interconnected micro-stations that share a cascading mountain ridge or a concurrent geography with some distance between them, creating a modular intra-site relay.

Twin independent sCO2 turbine modules with their own modular PTES and ETES blocks. No throttling. Instead, the nodes are on or off just like the hydro. The turbines run at 100% for peak efficiency.

Each site can have 5 GTE stations forming 1 GTE node, which enables them to handle their internal demand (recycling the water back up) without requiring the outside grid.

Each GTE station within the GTE node uses:
25 MW PSH
35 MW sCO2 x2 (making 70 MW in total via twin independent sCO2 turbines)
25:35
95 MW gross output per GTE station. Then multiply by 4 (leaving 1 station on stand-by in practice).

If hydro is reduced to 20 MW while sCO2 increases to 40 mw, fluid balance is disrupted. The water volume shrinks, the cold sink risks overheating, and the sCO2 drifts out of its dense supercritical state on the inlet.
Keeping the ratio 25:35 per station ensures the cooling loop matches the thermal loop while enabling a self-contained intra-site relay.
It is a micro-hydra-grid powering itself as well as the macro-hydra-grid.

>>540467877
Water and thermal batteries sized for 24-hours of storage.
To get a continuous 35 MW of electrical output from a single sCO2 turbine operating at 100%, it must pull 70 MW of thermal heat from the ETES batteries per hour.
Over a 24-hour unthrottled discharge window, running 1 turbine consumes 1,680 MWh (3,360 MWh for the twin sCO2 setup).
The thermal batteries are consolidated into two independent structural vaults per turbine (4 thermal vaults total for the twin-turbine node).
A single thermal vault will require 12m x 12m of space.
With a 3-meter safety and access lane around each vault for the nitrogen piping manifolds and structural foundations, the total footprint of for one turbine's thermal battery would be 18m x 18m = 324 m2.

Returning water up a 600-meter head over a 24-hour window requires 30 MW of electrical input per station.
The site controller routes exactly 30 MW of the gross site generation internally to the pumps of the single empty standby node.
As the 24-hour cycle concludes, the 5th station's upper reservoir is filled, and then it takes over the grid-load generation block.

This perpetual rotation loop yields an 80% continuous asset duty cycle with zero regional blackout risk during scheduled maintenance.
The GTE station operates on a 40% active duty cycle, spending 40% of its time running at full, unthrottled generation and 60% of its time distributed across the remaining operational phases (recharging, standby, and thermal reset).
The node is a constant-flow baseload generator. It trades high-intensity wear on 2 stations for a distributed, low-stress, perpetual rotation across 5 stations.

>>540467794
Sea life is tasty and solvable, salt sewater is indeed destructive, but most destructive are the elements themselves that they are trying to harvest; the scorching sun, strain from the tides and waves, winds, the shifting seabed and then there are the countless others (vessels or indeed even creatures or plants) that also make use of those waters.

>>540466026
>Billion times safer than Nuclear or Fusion
not true
you're suffering from confirmation and survivorship bias

>>540467893
The 24-hour limit on the heat and water batteries is a baseline capacity rating for an isolated, unreplenished state.

Without external input, it is a 24-hour storage buffer.
With external input, the 24-hour limit does not apply. It would be a continuous baseload generator that can run for weeks, months, or years without stopping.

E.g., if the AD-HTC-Gasifier (ACE) node is constantly cooking regional waste and siphoning high-grade heat into the PTES/ETES blocks at the same rate the sCO2 turbine is extracting it, the thermal batteries never drain.
Concurrently, because the split-line pump is matching the water flow rate of the turbine, the top and bottom reservoirs never empty.

If one node is running low on thermal energy because a local municipal waste delivery was delayed, the site controller doesn't let the node fail.
It uses the dedicated ETES-CHP backstop or draws a fraction of the power from the other nodes (or individual stations) to electrically reheat node 1's thermal vaults, bridging the gap.


The node never stops. It merely shifts the internal role of the stations.

Every node is identical. All the tech is arranged into a universal template. The challenge is not the components, but the topology.

If somehow all 5 stations within a node are depleted, integrate an ICE generator as a kick-starter and/or emergency reset mechanism designed to run for a less than 24 hours to bootstrap a node from dead stop.

>>540467741
Tx. Fred Hoyle wrote a short story about it
>>540467815
How do gravity wells work and why does it take energy to escape them

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>>540467912
Pumped Thermal Energy Storage (PTES):
Bidirectional thermodynamic machine.
Uses electricity to run a heat pump, creating a high-temperature hot store and a low-temperature cold store, and then reverses the cycle to generate electricity. It is designed to change states and balance the sCO2 fluid loop.

Electric Thermal Energy Storage (ETES):
Passive thermal vault.
Converts electricity into heat via resistive elements, holds it, or accepts raw thermal energy directly from an external source.


Electric Thermal Energy Storage (ETES):
- Use sand, brick, graphite, iron, aluminium and/or silicone, which can be formulated almost entirely from recycled scrap.
- Thermal batteries with resistive heating convert 99% of received electricity into heat, and release 95% of it as heat again.
- Round-trip efficiency is 35%, which is counteracted by using cheap, abundant, non-critical materials with a long-term lifespan.
- The combination of low raw material cost, high heat capacity, and massive temperature swing results in a carbon storage cost of $1/kWh.

https://www.rondo.com/

>>540466422
>Nuclear would be the only upgrade
The power of splitting the atom solves many problems. Producing energy is not the problem i have in mind

>>540467929
The thermal blocks of the ETES and PTES can use Latent Heat Phase Chance Materials (PCM) like Miscibility Gap Alloys (MGA), blending iron, aluminium, and silicon, which are cheap, abundant, non-toxic, and recyclable.
MGAs enable the PTES/ETES to require less space than if they use sand, brick and graphite, since the volumetric energy density is 3-4x higher for MGAs.

For a 30+ year lifespan, the vaults housing the MGA blocks need to be hermetically sealed and blanketed with an inert gas (like nitrogen or argon) or held in a vacuum.
Nitrogen is abundant, cheap, and non-toxic. It would create a positive pressure barrier so oxygen cannot leak in, and it wouldn't require moving parts or computers.
This drops chemical oxidation rates to absolute zero without requiring vacuum pumps, moving mechanical parts, or localized computer control interfaces.
If the atmosphere inside the vault is controlled, chemical oxidation drops to absolute zero.

The main PSH/PTES/sC02 circuit can run the entire station itself (with parasitic load) and supply power generation for the grid.
The independent ETES-CHP not only backstops the entire site as an auxiliary micro-grid, but it also handles the station's internal baseload (parasitic load) and ancillary functions even though the station itself can do everything.

>>540466026
Alternative energy is fucking Aids. its blanketing the countryside. Its a fucking government subsidy scam

>>540467944
The Pumped Thermal Energy Storage (PTES) system powers the PSH dams and sCO2 turbine.
Its job is to handle the core thermodynamics and provide high-temperature thermal load needed to spin the power generation loop at 100%.

The Electric Thermal Energy Storage with Combined Heat and Power (ETES-CHP) powers the internal baseload of the station's auxiliary and parasitic functions.
It uses a fraction of its own stored heat to run a small CHP turbine that runs the SCADA network, hydraulic valves, oil pumps, thermal priming, black starting, etc.

The PTES is thermodynamically synchronized 1:1 with the PSH water flow. It focuses on maintaining the extreme hot-to-cold fluid boundary required to keep the sCO2 turbine running at 100% capacity for grid export.
The ETES acts as the independent caretaker. Crucially, it handles thermal priming by circulating heat through the sCO2 casing, so the turbine never suffers thermal shock.

With the station itself running entirely off the ETES heat battery option, 100% of the station's PSH/PTES/sC02 energy can be dedicated to powering the grid.

>>540467960
Thermodynamic efficiency (Carnot efficiency) dictates that the wider the gap between the heat source and the cold sink, the more electricity you can extract.

The electrical output of an sCO2 turbine is dictated by the temperature difference between its compressor inlet and its turbine inlet.
sCO2 turbines need a cold sink at their compressor inlet, which a water reservoir can provide. Conversely, they need a heat source to elevate temperatures before the turbine inlet, which the hot reservoir of a PTES system provides.

Split-flow recuperation is mandatory to mitigate internal pinch points within the loop.

Supercritical CO2 is exceptionally dense and operates at high pressures, causing standard shell-and-tube heat exchangers to structurally fail.
The recuperators and heat exchangers passing heat from the MGA (Miscibility Gap Alloy) thermal batteries to the sCO2 loop will require diffusion-bonded Printed Circuit Heat Exchangers (PCHEs).

>>540467980
The PCHEs transferring energy from the thermal battery experience massive temperature deltas.
Since PCHEs are monolithic, exceptionally rigid structures, rapid thermal expansion mismatches between adjacent channels can cause micro-structural thermal fatigue and cracking over extended operational cycles.
The ETES-CHP thermal priming system needs to keep these heat exchangers hot even when the station is offline to mitigate this transient thermal stress.

The PTES and PSH need to be thermodynamically synchronised at a minimum 2:1 (PTES:PSH) discharge rate based on cycle efficiencies.
The thermal capacity of the PTES must roughly double the gravitational capacity of the water reservoir to relatively match or exceed the gravitational capacity of the water reservoir.
This accounts for the sCO2 loop's thermal conversion efficiency, ensuring the turbine never runs out of heat before the hydro reservoir is drained.

The sCO2 compressor inlet operates on flowing mass. The water-side cooling loop needs to modulate its mass flow rate dynamically to match the instantaneous thermal rejection rate of the cycle.
This accounts for fluid density variations to keep the cold sink temperature perfectly stabilized just above CO2's critical point.

>>540467996
Instead of singular PTES and ETES-CHP systems, multiple units in the same station can distribute the thermal load into an incremental ramp.
Multiple PTES/ETES-CHP units can maintain a constant low-energy warm idle across the entire heat exchanger surface area.
If one unit goes into maintenance, the others increase their flow just enough to keep the PCHE core at a homogenous temperature.

With multiple ETES-CHP units feeding into the sCO2 loop, the PCHEs can be segmented into smaller, independent sub-modules.
If a PCHE core develops a micro-fracture or requires cleaning, it can be isolated to that specific sub-module.
The other units maintain the required heat to keep the sCO2 in its dense state even during modular maintenance.

Incorporating multiple heat units turns the thermal priming function into a distributed thermodynamic mesh.
The overall footprint increase of multiple units is negligible.

>>540468014
Anaerobe-Carbon Engine (ACE):
- Anaerobic Digestion (AD) and Hydrothermal Carbonization (HTC)
- Downdraft gasifier (DG)
- Electric Thermal Energy Storage (ETES) with Combined Heat and Power (CHP)

AD-HTC-DG + ETES-CHP / ACE


Anaerobic Digestion integrated with Hydrothermal Carbonization (AD-HTC) and a downdraft gasifier (AD-HTC-DG). Pairing the DG with the AD-HTC enables it to be the grid's vacuum cleaner.
The AD-HTC process takes abundant non-wood biomass (agricultural residues, municipal solid waste, sewage sludge) and pressure cooks all of it into hydrochar cylinders/pellets that can be stored in silos.
The gasification of these hydrochar pellets produces a high-temperature synthesis gas (syngas) consisting of carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrogen (H2). The syngas acts as a carbon-neutral thermal fuel loop.

The syngas is burned immediately upon generation to heat the MGAs in the ETES/PTES.
The total volume of explosive gas present in the piping at any single microsecond is miniscule. There are no syngas storage tanks on site.

The entire gasifier and combustion piping loop is under a continuous induced draft (negative pressure). If there is a structural crack, air will ingress via the negative-pressure pipe, preventing leaks.
The high-temp exhaust from this can be routed through heat exchangers back to the GTE station and into the MGA thermal batteries.
The CHP loop can also route waste heat from the gasifier's internal cooling jacket and send it back into the HTC processor.

>>540468021
The ACE can have its own ETES-CHP (to primarily handle the parasitic load), all of which can be located within nearby population centres.
The internal CHP turbine runs off a fraction of the gasifier’s waste heat. It can power the AD-HTC pressure cookers, shredders, pumps, the gasifier's induced-draft fans, gate-clearing mechanism, SCADA control, safety valves.

Just as it does in the GTE node, the ETES-CHP loop keeps the ACE internal piping and heat exchangers at a steady, warm idle if the waste supply drops and the gasifier needs to temporarily pause.
The biomass/waste inputs can be taken from the given population vicinity, and the power generation from the syngas can be wired up to the GTE station's ETES/PTES.


The ACE system doubles as a net water creator because all the inputs (municipal waste, sewage, ag residue) consist of 60-90% water by mass.

The HTC processed water is extremely acidic and loaded with dissolved heavy organics, phenols, ammonia, and furfurals.
The HTC processed water needs to be routed back into the AD (and possibly a basic reverse-osmosis membrane powered by the CHP).
The bacteria in the AD thrive on these dissolved organics, converting them into additional biogas (methane) while stripping the water of its toxic organic load.
Only after the water passes back through the AD is it safe to release.

The purified excess water produced by the ACE node can then be sent directly into the local municipal water treatment system.
To offset water evaporation in a GTE dam, water from the ACE can be sent to a low-altitude intake valve that draws the water up to the GTE node, meeting the GTE's water recycling loop once it gets up there.

The buildup of concentrated heavy metals or non-biodegradable salts within the closed-loop water treatment cycle can be extracted and stored until further notice.
They are geologically insert in their solid form and won't require anything but a small storage footprint over decades of accumulation.

>>540468041
Hydrochar derived from municipal waste and sewage sludge contains high amounts of alkali metals (potassium, sodium). To prevent "slagging" (melting ash clinker) in the DG, gate-clearing mechanisms are required.
Active ash-bed cooling or specialized chemical additives (like aluminosilicates) would be needed to raise the ash-melting temperature.

Single-stage downdraft gasifiers introduce air at a single level.
If hydrochar pellet density fluctuates, uncracked volatile gases (tars) slip past the combustion zone, gumming up downstream piping and heat exchangers.
The intake can be split into a two-stage air injection system for tar elimination.
The primary air is injected at the top pyrolysis zone to initiate steady charcoal formation. Secondary air is injected directly into the narrowest throat (the choke zone).
This forces 100% of the generated tars to pass through a localized, ultra-high-temperature zone, thermally cracking heavy hydrocarbons into clean, low-viscosity syngas.

>>540467906
Nuclear shouldn’t even be on the table. It’s just a ludicrously high-risk way to boil water. There’s a reason Germany pulled the plug. One targeted missile strike could instantly irradiate millions of people. Forcing an entire region to wait 100,000 years just to hit baseline safety levels again is absolute madness. And don't fall for the hype on fusion either, it’s the exact same nightmare scenario, just repackaged.

>>540468058
The grate that clears alkali-rich ash will need to be structured as passive grate in tandem with an eccentric, multi-tiered rotating or reciprocating grate.
As the heavy steel tiers rotate out of alignment, they exert mechanical shearing forces at the base of the reduction bed.
This crushes any forming alkali clinkers into fine ash before they can fuse into a solid block, forcing them down into the ash hopper without requiring intervention or system shutdown.

Gasification is an endothermic process; it requires heat to drive the breakdown of carbon. Standard gasifiers lose efficiency by radiating heat out of their skins.
Integrate internal heat recuperation by jacketing the entire exterior of the downdraft gasifier with an incoming air shroud.
The cold ambient air required for combustion is drawn in at the bottom, travels upward through the double-walled skin of the gasifier, and enters the air injectors pre-heated.
This intercepts radiant heat loss, supercharges the internal thermal zones, and ensures that less syngas energy is wasted by simply keeping the reactor hot.


By treating the ACE nodes as a distributed network of uniform baseline thermal feeders, the system mirrors the behaviour of the cascading hydro tiers.
If one population centre’s ACE node experience a structural or supply failure, it doesn't represent a systemic failure. The master grid controller simply shifts a fraction of the routing logic to adjacent nodes.
The high-tech, vulnerable core sCO2 is insulated from the chaos of municipal waste management by two distinct layers of physical accumulation: a pile of carbon pellets and a vault of solid metal alloys.

>>540468080
The ACE nodes act as pure thermal feeders. They cook waste, generate uniform hydrochar, burn clean syngas, and siphon that raw energy into their ETES blocks.
That heat is either converted to electricity locally via a steam/CHP turbine for neighbourhood use or sent up to the thermal batteries at the GTE node.

The ACE node provides the exact thermodynamic and chemical foundations needed to secure its own fuel supply.
Instead of introducing external oil supply chains, integrate modular chemical pathways directly into the ACE node to produce domestic synthetic fuel.

1.
Bio-CNG (compressed natural gas):
The ACE node starts with Anaerobic Digestion (AD). The immediate, raw byproduct of AD is biogas, roughly 60% methane (CH4) and 40% carbon dioxide (CO2).
The raw biogas can be sent through a water scrubber, which sprays water through the gas under mild pressure. The water absorbs the CO2 and results >97% pure methane.
That methane can be compressed using a standard industrial compressor into bio-CNG.

2.
Integrated bio-refinery via AD liquid lipids:
The Anaerobic Digestion (AD) stage can separate high-yield lipids (fat) from the inputs, which float to the top of the sorting tanks before reaching the digester.
Integrate a transesterification module to the side of the AD processor. The waste lipids react with a standard alcohol (like methanol) and a basic catalyst (like lye/sodium hydroxide).
The fats separate into glycerine, which are sent back into the digester for more gas and standard biodiesel (B100) to produce conventional biodiesel (FAME).
This is a low-temperature chemical swap called transesterification.
The remaining solid fibrous digestate still heads into the HTC pressure-cooker to become hydrochar.

>>540468098
The GTE-ACE template never drops its asset duty cycle baseline to make fuel. The fuel production only runs on excess energy.
Co-locating a bio-refinery with the ACE node can produce synthetic fuel to enable more sovereignty over the means of transport.


ACE (AD-HTC-DG + ETES-CHP) nodes can exist anywhere regardless of GTE nodes.

>>540468121
If enough pumped hydro is designed and installed for the right locations, it can form a hydra-grid of numerous and relatively small nodes to provide baseload power year-round.
Instead of treating pumped hydro as a peaking plant, individual PSH installations do not need to run simultaneously. The stations can operate in a sequenced rotation with auxiliaries.
As one reservoir approaches its discharge limit, the next tier throttles up to take over the load, absorbing the delta, protecting the hydro network from rapid start-stops, keeping the grid in a steady state.
Since the baseload would exceed the need to throttle. Instead of a supply-following grid (where you throttle power plants up and down to match demand) it becomes a directed-routing grid.


High head sites with 400-800+ metres of vertical drop over short horizontal distances.
High head means less water volume to produce the same number of megawatt-hours, allowing reservoirs to be compact.
By using clustered stations per node, the grid can be run in isolation or a sequence. As one high head reservoir finishes a single-rate discharge, the next one activates.


Split-lines with dedicated Francis turbines and recycle pumps rather than running a single reversible pump-turbine back and forth.
Reversible pump/turbine designs are compromised because the hydraulics for pumping and generating are fundamentally different.
Dedicated turbines and pumps can run at 100% efficiency while eliminating structural risks like cavitation.
Separate/split-lines can pump and generate simultaneously. The water level in the upper and lower dams remain constant.

>>540468132

Single-rate and variable-rate Francis turbines.
90% of cascading tiers use fixed-speed Francis turbines, which eliminates cavitation and structural fatigue, maximising their life-span.
The remaining 10% use variable-speed turbines placed at key sequencing nodes to handle head-level optimization and smoothen out transitions.


Grid-wide frequency regulation is managed by building excess capacity, whereby less or more nodes are tapped into via the 'on' or 'off' switch.
No load following by activating stand-by stations within a given 2:2:1 node. Any demand spikes are well within a constantly high baseload.
No throttling, which causes mechanical wear. Instead turn the separate hydro plants or individual cascading tiers on/off.
Every operational turbine and the rotating mass of GTE turbines run at their absolute peak efficiency for grid inertia.


The system scales capacity through a geographically distributed macro-sequence via the number of active dams.
The master grid controller manages frequency by turning individual/identical nodes on/off, toggling the aggregate power output in closed-loop blocks.
Adding or subtracting a given number of nodes from the excess total capacity represents a miniscule amount the total potential capacity.
The granularity manages frequency fluctuations without requiring a turbine to leave its optimal thermodynamic window.
SCADA executes the sequencing logic. Current demand ÷ 95 MW = N active units.
If the SCADA network is compromised, each node has its own local logic that monitors frequency independently.

>>540468147
The key to the entire grid's stability is by over-provisioning the total number of nodes.
The grid never experiences a power supply shock. A node can go offline for service while another node covers for it.
The number of active nodes is based on the given demand as per it being an on/off array.

Black-start capability is either self-contained within a given node or spread across any number of nodes across the entire grid. Spark one and the rest follow.
The grid is electrically linked but thermally/hydraulically independent.

>>540466026
>Why isn't it a big thing yet?
rust

>>540468165
GTE-ACE hydra-grid powering a population of 1 million:
1 GTE station outputs 95 MW (25 MW hydro + 70 MW twin-sCO2s).
1 GTE node consists of 5 GTE stations operating a 2-generation : 2-recycle : 1-auxillary (2:2:1) ratio.
One 5-station node runs at 100% unthrottled capacity for a 2-station generation output of (95 MW x 2) 190 MW : a 2-station recycle output of (30 MW x 2) 60 MW : a 1-station auxiliary of 0 MW.
Net grid export per GTE (5-station) node is 190 MW - 60 MW = 130 M2 (continuous).

1 GW per million people + 20 hours energy storage discharge = 20 GWh energy storage per million people. 20 billion litres of pumped hydro accounts for 1 million people.
1 million people result in 300,000 tons of municipal waste per year, which can be handled by 2 ACE (AD-HTC-DG) nodes continuously discharging net-positive outputs year-round.
A population of 1 million requires 8 GTE (5-station) nodes and 2 ACE nodes.

Call it 10 GTE nodes and 3 ACE nodes per 1 million people.
10 GTE : 3 ACE (10:3) per 1 million.


1 GTE station requires a footprint of 3 ha x 5 = 15 ha per (5-station) node.
10 GTE nodes require 150 ha (1.5 km2).

1 ACE station requires 6 ha (for the AD-HTC processor, gasifier, storage silos for hydrochar pellets, heavy vehicle access).
3 GTE nodes require 18 ha (0.18 km2).

Total footprint of 168 hectares (1.68 km2) to power a population of 1 million with a ratio of 10 GTEs : 3 ACEs (10:3).
100 million people need 16,800 hectares (168 km2) allocated to a GTE-ACE network.

168 km2 is about the size of Washington DC.
1.68 km2 per capita for regional energy and waste sovereignty.


100 million people / 1,000 GTE nodes (5,000 GTE stations) / 300 ACE nodes
Continuous baseload power of 130,000 MW (130 GW) for 100 million people.

World average: ~3,000 kWh per capita per year.
United States: ~12,000 kWh per capita per year.
Australia: ~9,500 kWh per capita per year.
GTE-ACE: 11,388 kWh per capita per year.

>>540468181
The sC02 turbines and the PCHEs are the primary high-tech assets that require specialised aerospace-grade component sourcing.
The CapEx required to establish the domestic capability for these things is high, and yet it's nothing compared to the billions saved by avoiding all that is required for other types of energy.
The high-tech precision making up 5% of the entire GTE can be established via a few centralised, state-backed manufacturing hubs, and the remaining 95% can be handle by thousands of regional outfits.
If a hydro dam or an ETES system needs repair, a local engineering firm can patch the concrete, weld the steel, or swap a valve. The grid can be maintained indefinitely using domestic industrial capabilities.


The whole system can input small modifications for arctic, arid, and tropical configurations.

If a disaster completely destroys and consumes any number of GTEs, the post-disaster debris field consists almost entirely of earth-abundant non-toxic components. There is no fallout beyond the structural damage.


Adding nuclear would completely dissolve the distinction between baseload and peak demand because the baseload and total output would double at the very least.
If the GTE is the equivalent of an internal combustion engine (ICE), technically a twin-turbocharged non-combustion engine with twin sCO2 turbines, then nuclear would be the supercharger.
While integrating nuclear into the GTE is a sound idea, it would probably be best to keep them separate. Or the GTE template can allocate an empty space for nuclear integration whether it is used or not.

With nuclear, it could be called the Nuclear Integrated Gravity Grid (NIGG) or the Nuclear Integrated Gravity Grid Energy Recycler (NIGGER).

>>540468191
GTE and ACE nodes can be strategically located within the existing legacy transmission network. The tech already exists and is only being arranged into this design template.
They can be installed everywhere surrounding the cities, working from the inside-out (interior to coast), upgrading all rural and semi-urban territory, supplying everywhere but the cities.
The installation strategy can start with the ACE nodes before moving onto GTE nodes. By the time GTE nodes are constructed, ACE nodes (with their own network) are fully operational.
It all plugs straight into the existing legacy transmission lines. The requirement for additional lines would be minor. They whole system is plug-and-play.
Each node can be built and fully operational in the short-term. An entire grid for an entire continent would take decades.
Existing infrastructure, such as coal power plants, can be integrated as a dormant auxiliary network.

This is a long-term solution with a 100+ year lifespan that internalises all the cost and resilience upfront, which requires high CapEx for near-zero OpEx.
It bypasses globalised resource extraction and hyper-refined molecular synthesis for locally sourced bulk industrial geometry, cancelling out a hidden global footprint for a visible localized footprint. Thus, it is ecologically bound.

>>540467630
How do you think the electric grid was built dumb dumb? It didn't come here by magic. People invested it into and it built it up. If you are poor you can invest it in small ways such as buying up stock in a company that makes the specific power you want or asking your power company if they have a plan that provides power from specific sources. Put your money where your mouth is faggot.

>>540468077
>Nuclear shouldn’t even be on the table
Checked. We are post grid; between niggers stealing the cables and golems in f35s blowing the power stations. Photovoltaic at point of use solves this. The question remains, do we need a centralized state with dispersed infra

>>540466026
salt and barnacles will destroy your turbines

>>540466026
If they are so much better China will be making them.

>>540468244
>do we need a centralized state

Fuck no. Every rooftop should be equipped with Solar.

>>540468344
Chinks has lower IQ than poos. They built dams for hydropower than they think it's the most modern tech ever.

>>540466026
why do you think you can steal infinite energy from the ocean with no consequences?

Don't you think those movements serve a function for life on earth?

>>540466026
pita would have a shit fit and ruin it somehow

>>540468602
Tidal is literally just a variation of solar.

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>>540466026
>Why
Probably because it'd work

>>540468700
Notice you didn't address the point and instead changed the topic with a false midwit truism

>>540468811
Yeah I did notice.

>>540468868
good

>>540466026
maybe you reconised the fact that the sea doesnt flows, its like standing water.. so you can just place em if you have a sea with tide water or in depth in some natural streams, and beside this you have a big metal construction in the permanent salt water environment, and you also need lines to carry the power so this kind of stuff is not cheap and doesnt hold unlimited, so wind turbines hold compared to this 20-40 years and dont need that much effort or maintainance and are cheaper as way..
btw, we would need just a very small surface to be used for solar energy to supply energy for a very big country, so all in all its more likely a prestige project than a real reliable energy delivery source

>>540468430
>roof solars
That's a mistake. Niggers fuck up your roof. Put them on a frame at ground level. Easy to clean and work on them. There's no point living cheek by jowl in cities. We came together in towns to provide mutual infra. That model is collapse

>>540469168
Yeah that works great.

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the biggest problem with tidal power is that there are few locations in the world where the water speed is fast enough to make tidal power useful.
The newest thing is to make giant underwater kites that fly into the tide in a constant figure 8 loop. The turbine that is mounted on the fuselage of such a kite therefore experiences higher water velocity than if it were mounted on a stationary platform. Energy generated by rushing water goes up as the cube of the velocity, so even if the kite only goes a little bit faster, it makes a big difference in the amount of electricity generated.

But the other problem is that salt water corrodes everything, so have fun maintaining these things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_KCkxdRhvA

>>540469388
>Underwater kites

Imagine being this cheap. All poos should be permanently land locked in India.

The closed the tidal project where I live, it's kept (((breaking down))). I honestly feel the only way it will take off is independent people just make a small scale off grid one, run it for 5 years, then present the results in such a way your assassination would look too suspicious.

>>540469480
are you the world's dumbest bot or something?
Did you even read anything i posted about why the kites were developed in the first place?

>memeflag
but it is to be expected

>>540469762
>The closed the tidal project where I live,
The st Lawrence is the most tidally tidal tide evar. Was it there?

>>540466026
>Is Tidal a suppressed tech?
No it's shit.

>>540469388
There's lots of materials for permanent installations. They just (((mysteriously))) don't get engineered into the project.

>>540469840
Bay of Fundy: https://natural-resources.canada.ca/funding-partnerships/tidal-energy-project-bay-fundy

>>540466026
Because the sea be harsh mistress if ya dare fondle her bountiful watery boobies. She turns yer stone to sand an' yer steel to rust she does. Arghhhhhhh.

>>540466026
You just want to increase tidal friction to transfer the kinetic energy from the earth's rotation to the moon. You want to sling the moon into the solar system.
WHY DO YOU HATE THE MOON?

>>540469168
Roof top solar is great in Australia also it acts like a 2nd roof protecting it from the heat.

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>>540470033
Is this it?

>>540470153
It doesn't stop the tides.

>>540471359
It increases tidal friction

>>540471359
and thus the force that accelerates the moon.

>>540471447
Not even 0.0000001 percent. There's millions of islands that doesn't change anything. Are islands bad now?

>>540471687
>Not even 0.0000001 percent
<you are here
>Trust the experts guy.
>We didn't need the moon anyways
>Moon? What moon?
>Earth never had a moon. Is that some kind of conspiracy?

>>540468763
That's the only reason. People would get power for free.

>>540471890
We can capture moar moons

>>540466026
no
its just that the oceans are full of seawater which is kind of a problem

>>540466026
Imagine being a ship and having to deal with this shit everywhere

>>540472238
Coatings exist.

>>540472186
>We can capture moar moons
I don't want more moons. I like the current one.

>>540466026
They cost a shit ton more to build and maintain, are not remotely '800x more powerful' than a comparable wind turbine, and while no one involved actually cares play absolute hell with the local environment and wildlife. Lithium based grease used to lubricate them is not supposed to be poured into the ocean by the barrel.

>>540472439
I think the best design is yet to come. Japan recently made a very good process is 3 mw turbine which is very compact and it's reliable.

>>540466646
>Solar and tidal is enough to power the whole world.
No they aren't. Neither are dispatchable.
In particular, due to 9-5 work hours, energy demand peaks around sunrise and sunset, right when solar is absolute dogshit.
In fact, by robbing normal generation of stable baseload during the day, they force traditional electricity generation to work harder to meet demand at sunrise/sunset.

>>540466026
Remember an engineer friend looking into this in his studies. They were like 4% as efficient as air turbines at the time

>>540472914
Is your engineer friend indian? They barely got toilets. They don't matter.

>>540472852
>Dispatchable

Battery solves solar. Tidal is 24/7. In UK, offshore wind turbines provide electricity thousands of miles away. Even to Norway by water.

>>540466727
why do you keep saying this weird rehearsed lines as if you have personally invested in anything yourself

>>540467539
Polymer

>>540472421
Celestial NIMBY

>>540473132
He is welsh and norwegian in ancestry.
Even if the efficiency has quintupled, construction costs have gone down and expertise and maintenance has improved for air turbines anyway so tidal generation will be unviable for at least 2 decades

>>540466026
>Difficult to make the turbine waterproof for electrical equipment.
>very limited amount of areas with economically feasible tidal currents
The latter argument could perhaps be solved by more efficient tidal turbines.
>permitting issues
>turbines are relatively limited in terms of power

Bottomline is that for now tidal turbines are not economically feasible, they have been in testing phase for decades and just can't seem to scale up.

Just look at OP picture, the surface area of that turbine is tiny. Even if the water carries 10x more energy, if a wind turbine has 1000x more surface area it will be a difficult game to win.

>>540466026
energy doesn't exist how people think it do
electricity is actually the psychic manifestation of psychological and emotional pain and suffering
thats why we have wars
to make more electricity/energy

>>540473541
10x dense. The whole thing in length is only 74 meter, is 2MW.

>>540473625
Explain

>>540466026
Tidal is shit because of the ocean environment itself.
>Tidal turbine-Like Fundy, is essentially a sandblaster. Eats blades like a gypo eats copper wire.
>Flex tidal- Gets gummed and seizes on a week by week basis.
Those are what kills it, ignoring the corrosion/variable force/other horrendous conditions it's really a meme.

>>540473755
its basically the warp from W40k

>>540473871
I don't get the reference.

>>540466026
extracting energy from slow moving objects is very inefficient, you need to spin generators fast to get high voltages, otherwise you have to make the windings really thick and it's just awful.
if there was a good way to do it, there are hundreds of better options involving very heavy things being lowered down slowly under gravity.

>>540473428
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathodic_protection
plastics and antibiotics were a mistake

>>540472186
Considering what happened when we got this one, let's not.

>>540473988
800x denser than air. It's slow but it's so powerful the gear inside moves very fast.

>>540466514
>makes a mockery of any remotely optimistic maintenance cost forecasts

This x 100

>>540473756
Sea isn't all that bad.

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>>540466026
Because of jews

>>540466026
we must harness the power of the ocean
i think they break apart because the power of the ocean is immense. but with ai maybe we can now figure it out

>>540466026

the sea is a hostile place for engineering .. repairs depend on the weather, sea water rots just about everything eiyther through galvanic corrosion or sealife attaching .. everything in the sea is much harder to do than on land.

>>540466026
>>540466026
>suppressed
nigga, you're pretending like it doesn't require hundreths of tons of material and millions of dollars to run and maintain

it's all economical equation. Where there are prospects of it being profitable, it's installed

>>540466026
Tidal turbines and wind turbines are legitimately more dangerous for the global climate than burning all the fossil fuels on the planet. Energy is not free and if you take it out of the oceans and the atmosphere you will see what REAL climate change is about. The laws of thermodynamics are undefeated.

>>540466712
Stop whining WAH WAH

>>540476291
Salt water destroys everything in a matter of a few years. Tidal turbines will cost 20% of their capital cost every year in maintenance. There is no way to make that business case work even if they generated megawatts of power and they don't.

>>540466026
stop taking fucking energy out of the environment, these can work as small scale, but industrial scale will fuck things up

>>540466026
Salt water and living things clearly won't affect the long-term viability of some machine you put into the ocean. Clearly.

>>540476698
> stop taking fucking energy out of the environment
no
we need to stop global warming

>>540466026
Yes let's fuck with the tides

>>540476804
I call it
Tide challenge

>>540476799
https://www.americanexperiment.org/harvard-study-finds-wind-turbines-will-cause-more-warming-in-minnesota-than-emissions-reductions-would-avert/

>>540466646
People charge that much.
Get the material and you can build a 100MW reactor for $5 million.
Prices are abstract. Never forget that.

>>540476255
True. We gotta get rid of kikes.

>>540466026
Fusion is nuclear retard

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>>540476406
>take energy out of the oceans
It's the motherfucking ocean, all it does it churn fucking energy. Storms? Waves? Currents? It's basically infinite. I think temperature differences drive the Thermosalines. The same heating effect also creates Hadley cells, which along with the rotation of the Earth creates the wind. So are you taking energy out of the turning of the Earth and the Sun? Might as well criticize the trees for taking our solar energy away and locking it in roots underground.
The only trouble with water turbines is the possibility of marine wildlife getting mangled (everyone loves a sea turtle) and to that end you can just build a wire mesh fence around them. Comparable saltwater fish hatcheries are no problem.

>>540476291
The entire process from start to finish is done by underwater drones. No your sissy ass isn't getting in the water. No human is diving underwater for maintenance. I hate the retards with thalassophobia. Like grow a pair faggot. You're a man. Stop being a pussy about water bodies.

>>540472380
stray current corrosion will eat away your thing anyways unless you carefully balance it with sacrificial metals that you will have to maintain, replace, etc
and thats just that
you have all kinds of annoying stuff like barnacles and clams, algae and so on that will build up and damage your coating, increasing the rot, so you put a thing into a remote location that will require thorough cleaning/maintenance, so you will have to go out there get your thing and do the thing or your thing does the thing that you dont want it to do, so overall that makes your thing cost more things and eventually the whole process becomes not worth it in comparrison to other processes
but i am convinced and very sure knowing that actually good engineering can fix that :D

>>540471687
>>540471447
so just make the moon ligher or heavier depending on what you need to counter the imbalance caused by the mass scale tidal power plants increasing tidal friction
like you can jus tgo on the moon and trow pieces of it into space to make it lighter, or like use starships to put rocks from earth onto the moon
duh
like its not THAT hard

>>540477360
You gave it a constructive criticism which is fine, unlike these thalassophobic “men”. Of course with engineering and most importantly mathematics, we could figure out prevention of rusting.

>>540477197
slimy tentacles mashed that post
what is hiding beneath your memeflag, some island in the middle of abyssal plains?

>>540466395
AI says whales have a 151 character alphabet of phonemes which they use in ssimile form humans do.

>>540466026
As far as I am concerned since copper is at a premium, the only way tidal energy will become worth working with will be the day we can transmit high voltage through the air.

>>540477556
I'm just like you, a human. I just have a better understanding of fluid dynamics. How do you not love the mighty ocean?

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>>540477197
>I hate the retards with thalassophobia. Like grow a pair faggot. You're a man. Stop being a pussy about water bodies.
>just swim in the ocean bruh
>gets raped by dolphins and your corpse eaten by some sea cucumber
bruh
yeah fuck those thalassophobia fags, unmanly retards, cant even go for a swim on the beach haha fuck them, stupid as landlubbers. aquaman for the win

>>540466026
mother fucker we could food zappers and fertilizer out of air, and healing beams, time control and more, jews/masons/bankers/invention secrecy act stopping us from having scifi world. MERT has designs he cant commercialize because of them. x.com/mass_energy_r_t

>>540478233
>nooo you're scawed of the ocean??
WHEN ITS GOT YOU
ITS GOT YOU

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>>540478648
people used to put up signs like this one everywhere
but singe the deluge they are all submerged

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>>540478986

>>540477513
yes
pretty sure llm powered engineering will soon make these efforts affordable and shatter the gatekeeping rings that have evolved around these projects

>>540477841
>the day we can transmit high voltage through the air.
but we can already do that
its just like that its not safe to be nearby without taking precautions

>>540468208
How many tokens did it cost to spam that shit?

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>>540476291
it's not overly difficult to harden saltwater borne infrastructure against environmental degredation.
i developed casings for the splash zone area for the legs of semi submersible oil rigs around the gulf that hold a certain quarternized polysaccharide which acts as a magnet for gold complexes present in sea water, basically a gold/platinum "magnet". we use the same polysaccharide, in various doped forms, as a top coat for the polyurea elastomeric coating already used for antifouling/corrosion and barnacle supression purposes. with our top coat, the amount of maintenence in and around the splash zone is reduced by an order of magnitude, plus it's a win win since they let me jacket their legs with my filters for "research purposes" as part of the agreement for using our tech.

>172 replies
>0 clues
Electricity loses power when it is transmitted over long distances.

>>540466026
>scalable per GW
Stopped reading here

>>540479612
the cherry on top is my filter wouldn't work w/o the cathodic protection system employed by all offshore rigs. lol if they actually knew what i was pulling out of the water they'd prob shit themselves

>>540479091
tartarian lies
>>540479754
transformer station
problem?

>>540468077
>It’s just a ludicrously high-risk way to boil water.
It's really not at all. It's terrible because you can't scale it if you have no construction sector (like America and Western Europe) as it requires massive construction projects, and if you don't scale it up it's difficult to maintain the specialized workforce to run them. Who would want to be a reactor operator in a country with a single nuclear plant? You'll be working in a field with about two dozen total workers in the entire country which would drop to zero if people decide to shut down your plant.

>>540466026
> why isn't it a big thing yet?
kikes aren't interested in actual solutions.

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the only reason this is not reality is that they will have less money for fucking girls on private islands.

I dare any of you motherfuckers to prove that moving huge amounts of liquid around the world is cheaper than building these on coastlines

>>540481879
based and hope pilled