Women expect serious men to pay for the first date.Yet, young men increasingly fail to meet that low-bar.>I think part of the date, like, winning me over is the payingThis is the brutal reality behind the catastrophic plummeting of birth rates in America.
all of those losers are still single so who cares
>>540481004Good.Didn't watchDidn't read
>>540481004Going out for a walk in NYC will cost you at least $100. And that's if you don't get mugged for everything you have on you.
>>540481265Are you an incel?
NYC looking UGLY desuThe Beauty Rate is the real tragedy...
>>540481004>walk to Costco >get $1.50 hot dog plus medium soda>walk around the store for free samples (my mom added me as household cardmember)
>>540481741that italian looking jew is actually decently faced just he is a sperg
>>540481004Why do you Americans spend so much on dates? JfcMost I ever spent on a date was 70 dollars and that was because I bought bulk ingredients to make shakshuka and kulwa for an eritrean girl that was coming over
>>540482149It's a hopeless situation as it stands.
>>540482149>WWII ends>government tells everyone to drive everywhere and do all the things >instantly kills traditional courtship >the restaurant industry launched massive, multimillion-dollar media and marketing campaigns to aggressively change public behavior.>By the mid-1950s, the invention of television and the mass-marketing of the Swanson "TV Dinner" kept families glued to their living rooms instead of spending money>Restaurant groups pitched dining out to women's magazines as a "liberation from the kitchen sink.">heavily promoted the newly invented Diners Club card (the first modern credit card) through media channels. This specifically targeted businessmen and dating couples, teaching them to spend money they hadn't even earned yet>Corporations distributed colorful travel guides, maps, and postcards through gas stations and highway billboards. This media told Americans that owning a car meant they had a civic and social duty to drive out to a suburban drive-in, supper club, or downtown steakhouse
>>540481004you should not be spending more than the cost of a cup of coffee on a first date. ideally you should not be spending any money and if anything she should be buying you the coffee.if you spend too much on here she will likely think you're weak
>>540481004what about equality? only when it suits them.
>>540484090Real men need to step up and pay instead of being stingy bums.
>>540481004Where has this weird stance of>if you initiate the date then you should payCome from? 99 percent of women are never initiating a date in the first place, and even then why would it matter if you did or didn’t initiate the date? Just say you don’t want to pay and spare us the pathetic cope
>>540481004>First date should be around 100$>No bill splittingSo it costs 100$/per new woman.It's not expensive if you aren't going around trying to fuck evert moist hole.
>if you are the one to ask out you should pay>women never are the pursuerI hate women so much it's unreal.
>>540484090Equality was always code for "let me have my cake and eat it too". Tradcuckery serves the same purpose.
>>540481004I can't even afford food for myself
>>540484416Because women have to act like chuldren and feign kindness. They are disturbing and spiteful creatures.>>540484469Extra $100 a every few months for nothing to show for. Nice. Eat shit kike
>>540481004Fuck that, they just want free food. I'll make or pack them a dinner if that's all they wan.
>>540483922My first date with my current girlfriend was just going to a nice park, walking and talking. It was really nice.
If you go on a date with a "Good Girl" (pic related) she will be THRILLED with a coffee and a walk. If you aren't a broke faggot, you can take her to a restaurant and pay.But the point is, if you make entertaining conversation with her, and make her life, she will be thrilled.If you go on a date with a "baddie" or and "it girl" or similar, they will be stuck up bitches who deserve nothing from you.CHOOSE GOOD GIRLSCHOOSE LIFE
>>540484741>nd make her life,laugh*
>>540481004>This is the brutal reality behind the catastrophic plummeting of birth rates in America.It's not unique to the US. Chinamen are worse off than any European country.
I'm actually shocked, I was expecting crazy amounts from the broads, but they were actually cheaper than what I thought. I would say about 100 bucks too.
>>540482149Ironically most of my dates cost literally NOTHING and would still end in physical intimacy. Most the faggots on here don't even talk to women so it's a fucking moot point.
>>540481004I'd typically expect someone to pay for their own food.
>>540481004The retarded thing even thinking about spending more than $10 on a first date or interaction with someone you've never met. Unless you know them already, a first date is to break the ice.Why spend $50 or $100 on a meal and find out you have nothing in common or either of you get border and have to stay for an hour? With $5 coffees you can leave after ten minutes if nothing clicks.
>>540481004>women are hurtingwhich women? if its liberal women GOOD LET THEM HURT
A first date should cost you £50 for her meal, tops. And if she doesn't put out, it should cost her her teeth.
>>540481004LMAO who is spending $200 for a singular first date with her? Of course she wants the man to initiate and pay too. An escort is cheaper than that.
>>540481004>>540481265>>540481402>>540481560>>540481869>>540482149>>540483500>>540483867If a man can't house, feed, and clothe his live-in girlfriend, he doesn't deserve her as a wife. Paying for dates is a basic token of appreciation for a woman who went out of her way to wear nice clothes and put on makeup. It's pocket change for a real man. A serious man. Boys need not apply. Simple as.
>>540484974I dont really understand this american mentality of "spending on a date" like it's some kind of form of prostitution, a date is just a "date" where you meet up to be together and do something together, the whole point is not to go out to spend money but to be in each others company not to go to some place and have fun but to be together.
>>540482149>Swede breaking the bank to accomodate AfricansPottery
>>540484533>"let me have my cake and eat it too". Tradcuckery serves the same purpose.This. We don't live in a "trad" society at all so the women trying to exploit trad dynamics when it suits them can fuck off.Of course the low value simp in the video calls himself traditional but then you ask him his views about traditional views like repealing women's right to vote and ability to purchase land and suddenly he's a progressive feminist. Except when it comes to the draft, then he's still trad.
>>540482149>70$Lmao nah, she gets like 20-30 at most and it's a very decent meal at that price.
>>540483922>you should not be spending more than the cost of a cup of coffee on a first date. ideally you should not be spending any money and if anything she should be buying you the coffeeWe are glad you will never breed, Ignacio. Stay on your side of the border and don't come here.
>>540484416Just say you're broke. Broke BOYS shouldn't be dating at all. Get back to work!!
>>540485342And actually no that's for your girlfriend.A date doesnt get a restaurant but drinks, usually around 10-15$ max.
>>540485221>american mentalityYou have no idea how fucked the culture is here. Consumerism combined with treating relationships as purely transactional. It's glorified prostitution.
>>540481560I got fucking robbed by a cashier the other day. They charged all sorts of shit to my credit card. I asked chatGPT what I should do and it said I was schizo and I should apologize to them For thinking this. I called my bank and disputed the charge and it’s been reversed. Lol. Fucking demon jews.
>>540485257Listen man, the leftover ingredients fed me for a week.Also I got to suck on big choco titties.
It was a hot summer day and I was in my workout room benching 1200 pounds. My abs were flexing and girls within a 10 mile radius were getting wet. Once I was done with my daily 32 hour workout I called one of the bitches I know, Tsukasa. She is really damn hot and looks like a supermodel. SO I got into my Lamborghini Gallardo and reved it up to 40,000 RPM (this is an Italian import with special engine system). I got onto the freeway near my house and threw it into 8th gear, I hit about 600 mph and I could hear the sonic boom as I broke the sound barrier. As I was flooring it on the freeway like a badass, Tsukasa called me and said she wanted me to **** her. So be it. I came to a full stop from 700 mph in front of her house. These Ferrari's have top notch brakes, you know. So she gets out of the house and walks up to my Bugatti and starts eyeballing my dick. I could tell she was staring at it because when I looked at her I noticed she was looking at my dick. Booya. Flash forward 10 minutes later. My 30 inch dick is going inside of her VAGINA, hitting them walls. I'm holding her entire body up with my left pinky as I'm ****ing her and she has 30,000 orgasms. She looks me in the eyes and she says 'harder.' V-TEC just kicked in, yo. I blow my load so hard she falls off my dick. There had to have been about two pints of cum everywhere. People say I cum like a pornstar, I wouldn't disagree with them. I throw her a towel so she can clean herself up then I do a triple backflip into my Maserati and drive home
>>540485221It's mostly women who want to be wined and dined. Tons of simps are standing waiting to take any women out and spend money on them.
>>540485428Yeah im reading and many here are debating who pays how much where to go or what's the best item to buy and the cheapest for the date.Not once i've read about the intimacy and the company you're doing this for, you could go watch rocks with somebody you like and it's going to be fun, if you don't enjoy the company of somebody no restaurant or expensive place will make it better.If a girl doesn't want to do one activity is one thing but if she completely refuses your company unless you go to some place to spend cash, that is very weird to me and i haven't heard nor it has happened to me.Even "paying for a girl" is a weird concept, it's not that you "have to" because it's traditional, but i for example want to pay, because i like her very much, very simple concept and it's like i am reading about another world.>>540485798what do you mean by tons? tons on tiktok or every women you have met expects you to and rejected you because you didn't wine and dine? i don't believe at all it is possible for a woman that likes you to reject you because you don't want to go to a restaurant or you're broke, women don't care if they like you
>people who never had a date complaining and laughing at people who dont have dateswe had more dignity when we were hitting big animals with sticks
>>540481004>women, who on average are earning more than men expect men to pay for themNo.
>>540481004New Yorkers aren't Americans, they're Israeli frankenstein nigger rape babies.
>>540481004Not in a bad way, but have women looked at the economy? They seem unaware.
>>540485206nice failed bait retard
>>540484652glad you had fun. i usually do a cup of coffee at starbucks and then a walk through a local park or the surrounding area>>540485347ok, be a simp then. spend all your money and expect to get little to not results
>>540485206This is true.
>>540486626It's not bait. If you can't provide why the fuck does a woman need you?>>540486709>resultsSounds like you'd be happier visiting a prostitute.
>>540485933>i don't believe at all it is possible for a woman that likes you to reject you because you don't want to go to a restaurant or you're broke, women don't care if they like youMaybe I'm thinking wrong, but when people talk about a first date I figure it's someone you just met and want to get to know.But yeah, if she likes you a simple meal is fine.
>>540485068>An escort is cheaper than that.Go do that then instead of pretending you want a relationshipYou have to invest in a woman if you want a family. I'm guessing you're not white.
>>540481004Women are materialistic and love THINGS more than men....More at 11.
>>540481004>tradition from when women didn't really work or have money>ends when women work and have money like menIs it really that surprising? Im surprised tipping still exists, since the average waitress probably makes more than the average chain restaurant customer.
>>540481004there's some genuine specimens in this webm, body shapes that aren't classifiable
A good date costs zero dollars. If we can't have fun just walking and talking it's not going to ever work out. A cup of coffee is fair and I'll pay or she can pay I really don't care.The whole wining and dining bullshit is another American invention. It's pathetic. Any woman who insists that she be taken out and treated to some grandiose dinner and drinks, on a first date, is absolute trash. The men who end up with those slatterns deserve them.
>>540481004You mean this one, shabbo goy? https://youtube.com/shorts/gizKyzcmwqA?si=jM8YSIkgOSdTH1VxShould you get oven like the rest of them.
>>540481004No love no dates, simple as.
>>540490131Based and truthpilled bong
>>540481004>winning me overFor what purpose?
>>540490131ummm but how will she know if you are daddy material big provider dad who stepped up??
>>540481004Can you memefags quit crying do something about it
Americans have a lot to answer for but the over-formalisation and hyper-capitalist job interview category of "a date" has to be one of the worst. "This encounter of these two organic beings, is it an official <fixed social category A32215>???!?!"Why can't you just both exist near each other for a bit spontaneously now and then how about that rather than going through rounds of interviews Any woman who is also "interviewing" other men whilst shes "interviewing" you is making you a cuck by default. Completely unacceptable. Why would she be talking to other men whilst also talking to me? We are not there to jump and dance to please her irrational whims, and that's before you even get into the hypocritical feminist "findom is when a male pays for everything because male is traditionally providing, findom is also when a man pays for everything cause the woman is dominating the man into paying"
>>540481004>obvious faggot saying; "I would never split a bill, I'm traditional like that"ummm sure thing, fag
>>540481004I've been with my wife since I was 22 and I'm 39. Wouldn't want anyone else. I can't imagine dating these post social media whores
>>540485491Jeets put illegal card scanners on their chip/pin machines in their shops. It used to be a big thing here. They would just charge a load of shit to your card.
>>540481004>winning me over is the payingThat doesn't make a woman horny, are you kidding me?!She's just an opportunistic coon, that's all.
>>540485221>like it's some kind of form of prostitutionThat's basically what it is in America. We're a very crass, materialistic people.
>>540485321/thread
>>540485792Kek
My first date with my now wife was a walk. I picked her up and we drove to a park and walked. It cost me zero dollars besides the gas money to drive us there and back. We have 2 kids now.
>>540481004>Another DATE DATE DATEY DATE DATE memeflaggot threadThis shit only works on the chronically online.
>>540481004Kek that Hapa chick with her white boyfriend
>>540485068Not in Jew York Anyway I don’t see how niggers can afford to live in the city Who’s paying for it
>>540481004Really now? After MeToo, you think guys are simply gonna continue doing this? Fuck that. If you're damaged goods, you're paying the bill. You're "strong, independent womyn," remember? You got this. Now pay for my meal, cunt.
>>540492942Same.We took a walk in a graveyard at night early october.
Beat women, Rape women, Kill women.
shitskins in a citywoop woop
>>540481004Bitch, we going dutch...at the coffee shop.
>>540481004Ignore western women entirely, they're gone. They will only destroy your life.Go with Asian women.
>>540486974foid seethe detectedtits or gtfo
>>540486974>invest in womenK E K
>>540494774Send them a Tikkie
>>540486974>invest in a womanCommitting time and resources is only feasible if it means I'm receiving a return on my investment.Meanwhile, you're not looking for a relationship with a man, you're looking for a free ride.
>>540481004Why should I pay for the merchandise when she gives it to Chad for free.
>>540481004hate bitches like thisperfectly happy with sexism if it benefits themthese vapid cunts would have us back in the kitchen do not engageyou deserve better than someone who sees you as an exploitable resource
>>540481004I pay an escort $240 for an hour of sex and then never hear from her again unless I want to meet her again as an escort. If a woman wants a date with me she has to pay if I am going to sit there listening to her personality on a 80/20 chance of NOT having sex. I will stick with professional whore and not deal with actual whores.
>>540485321that's why we all believe in total simp death
>>540481004I have never done this on a first date. It's always split. You don't pay for somebody you don't really know. Just like you don't pay for strangers at bars. This video is not real it's some faggot making propaganda.
>>540481004>Women expect serious men to pay for the first date.Chad doesn't need to pay for shit.>Yet, young men increasingly fail to meet that low-bar.Bullshit, if it's Chad the bitch won't care.>I think part of the date, like, winning me over is the payingHorseshit, if it's Chad she doesn't need convincing.>This is the brutal reality behind the catastrophic plummeting of birth rates in America.Cope. Believe this and you deserve to die alone.
>>540481004What are serious women expected to do on the first date?
>>540481004I'm more interested in whether all the men have roughly the same idea of what it actually costs and the women are just incorrect about what the range normally is. To me that would simply suggest that the women are disconnected from the costs (since that's the man's problem) while the men have direct awareness of the price (since that's the man's problem).
Women should get on more anti-depressants and get over it.
>>540485206Nigga homless and losers and junkies are fucking 10/10s right now. You can get pussy with none of that. Women are crazy. You have no idea what woman is. With that attitude she will skin you alive.
>>540493480Based Better Bachelor.
>>540482149>fucking a nigger>ever
