Former Ukrainian commander-in-chief Zaluzhnyi: >By 2026 Ukraine has used every modern Western weapon type except Tomahawks, nuclear arms, carriers and F-35 jets. Russia found a counter to each one of them. HIMARS helped liberate Kherson, but within a month Russia made it useless junk. https://x.com/Mylovanov/status/2086482068519743708Earlier Valeriy Zaluzhny said that NATO needs 12 years minimum to become in even 50% as strong as Russia. He also said that Ukraine currently has no interest in joining this weak/disfunctional military organisation and instead should create its own alliances.https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/valerii-zaluzhny-ukraine-nato-russia-gv2ts6qgqInteresting evolution xD
Wasn't this special operation supposed to last only 2 days?
I was paying attention and Russians had trouble organizing logistics for a year after HIMARS and are probably still slowed by the capability to just smoke a stockpile of any kind within x kilometers from the frontline.
>>540493083Sadly all or almost all Himars launchers were already burned by Russian drones and artillery xD
>should create its own alliances.lol, lmao even
>>540493163why would Ukraine buy new missiles for Himars from Turkey if they didn't have any anymore?
>>540493213They get entire package. 70 M39 ATACMS ballistic missiles and 12 M270 MLRS launchers (the tracked version of HIMARS) - because hohols lack launchers now as all of them were destroyed
How does one 'backward' country, with a small relative population, manage to hold all of Europe hostage for 70 years even with massive assistance from the US?
>>540493163Literally what does that matter? The launchers can be easily replaced. There were like 6 in the beginning, US has hundreds, threaded and wheeled. The bottleneck with expensive shit like this is the rockets, not a truck. lol You're desperate to back up the Ukrainian on this one, huh? So transparent.
>>540492951thats entirely the point of itthe entire war is fake and Zelensky is a russian double agentZelenskies task is to bring in more western weapons that Russia then learns how to render ineffectivethats why Russia doesnt kill him the americans likely are realizing that, which is why they dont give them the licences to make patriot missilesread up on the Perestroike deception
>>540493478You all have heard of Yuri Bezmenov, but have you heard of Anatoliy Golitsyn?>The Soviet Union never dissappeared>It just pretended to go away to better inflitrate the westhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=facg5prt6uM>a long-term deception strategy of seeming retreat from hard-line Communism designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn
>>540492951>liberate Khersonkek
>>540493451You know nothing. Russians are now global champions in drone warfare. They destroy these systems from a long range, they see everything. But they also learnt to maje it useless passively. Already in 2024 Russian EW degraded GMLRS accuracy in Ukraine with plenty of reports describing HIMARS/GMLRS as "completely ineffective" (kek) in some contexts, missing targets by 15+ meters which forced reduced/scaled-back use.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/24/russia-jamming-us-weapons-ukraine/Here on vid you can see Pantsir shooting down like a dozen of Himars GMLRS.https://files.catbox.moe/s8zt6q.mp4Intercepting a full salvo of 12 GMLRS from HIMARS is a monumental technical feat. GMLRS is extremely hard to kill: its 22cm diameter gives a tiny radar cross-section. It flies at Mach 2.5+, covering 70km in 100 seconds - minimal reaction time. Its high-ballistic trajectory arcs to 20km then dives steeply, while INS/GPS enables unpredictable terminal maneuvers. A 12-round salvo is a saturation attack, overwhelming most systems. Tracking and destroying each simultaneously requires multi-target acquisition, ultra-fast interceptors, and real-time computation. This proves the Pantsir-SM has evolved into a genuine counter to modern rockets. It is a masterpiece and Russian systems are surely not worse than Western ones
>>540493073According to the flawless US intel yeah.
>>540492951>create its own alliances.with whom? is this guy retarded?
>>540493718>intelYou mean translation? It's not like it was secret.
>>540493163that's skill issueyou don't put those things in the open and without any defense
>>540493693>You know nothing.as if main russian propagandist on /pol/ knows anything of worth
>>540492951>Russia found a counter to each one of them.Yeah. Giving Russia (and anyone they want to share with) years to develop counter measures to our military tech and doctrines was fucking retarded. You're watching the result play out in Iran right now. >inb4 "muh secret tech that we totally have and are holding back."
>>540493807I meant intel, since it came from the burgers and not the vatniks.
Remember when the first counterhruk was happening and the hyhyls made it into a self imposed cauldron and they were gloating about having him/her range to crimea but every single hyhyl thing in that cauldron was absolutely fucked by regular artillery, missiles and even mines?I rememberIt was funny
>>540493824Dude, you really need education on a modern new generation drone warfare xDhttps://files.catbox.moe/hkvg2s.mp4
>>540494010Deepfake?
>>540492951Why do you keep fearmongering?Weapon being used in actual warfare does indeed result in countermeasures being rapidly developed and adjusted. You don't need to theorize much when you see how the thing behaves on a daily basis, you try and test what works. The issue is not that western weaponry is useless. It's not. They are simply overpriced and low in numbers, so once a certain counter is invented and produced in large enough quantities, the overall capabilities of limited western weaponry dwindle. Again, not because western weapons are shit. Simply because they can't produce them fast enough to overwhelm the emerging countering capabilities. They still hit targets, they still intercept something. It's just real war is a numbers game. Western economies are profit driven and fiat, they cannot translate money into things, because that was Chinese and Vietnam and Bangladesh duty in their ideologically driven 'modern' world. That's not engineers and factory workers issue, that's economists, lawyers, bureaucrats and generals' fault. Western weapons are fine, their system is not.
>>540493992this is not an accident >>540493478
>>540492951>and instead should create its own alliances.Uh, with whomst? I think Ukraine still isn't fully grappling with the horror of their situation. They're obviously on the back foot, nobody's going to join a losing horse. They went into this thing on the full faith and credit of the American government, but that didn't count for anything, and it's too late to find a different backer.
>>540494104>not because western weapons are shityou sure? the do seem kinda shitty overall.take HIMARS for example, shit is so easy to counter it didnt even take a month.Abrams Tanks? all useless and blown up by the first drone the encounter.same goes for the Javelin rockets, remember how much those were hyped before 2022? turned out to be useless turds.Patriots? same thing.
>>540493163xD indeedDidn't Poland just buy a load of them?
>>540494498Bolanda is a joke xD
>>540494367this war has changed things quite a lot. The playbook of modern warfare has been thrown out and it's been replaced with an idiot's guide to drone faggotry. I miss the tank kino at the start of the war..
>>540493992The usa had to keep russia alive not to make europe stronger. The plan was to weaken europe, but now the usa won't be able to wage any war. Kinda fucked up and well deserved.China is a big winner since they copy everything russia has and even make it better. There is no chance for the usa to defeat china, while the plan was to take russia and iran separately and proceed to destroying china when they have no allies left.
>>540494565I keep hearing on the news that Le ebil Ruzzia is planning a "false flag" or a "provocation", to test NATO's resolve. Any idea what we can expect?Personally, I suspect it'd glowniggers on our side trying to escalate things further but we'll have to wait and see.
>>540494696even without drones most of these things are useless.Abrams is still too heavy for the mud, patriot missiles still cant counter ballistics and javelin missiles still have leaky faulty batteries.
>>540494840Pic-rel: my prediction
>>540494367Weapon systems being proven as obsolete concepts due to radical technological shift is different. Everything that is spotted and exposed will be destroyed in modern warfare if it's within reach. And the reach for modern weaponry is quite large when it comes to high value targets. HIMARS, Leopards, Abrams... They cost too much, they are easy to spot, they are easy to kill. These weapon systems are relics of cold war era. It's drone spam, it's precision missiles and gliding bombs, it's AA, it's infantry to control territory. Armor, heavy artillery systems, anything that wants to concentrate firepower too much and being to close or chase the naive idea of being 'protected' is not going to work. There are no reliable protection in modern warfare other than being not worth the cost of high precision weaponry or simply staying away. Cheap stuff and heavy hitters beyond the reach - that's it. And, of course, electronic warfare, because fucking enemy system guiding or intelligence transfer is actually the only protection that works.
>>540496010even without drones these mighty western weapons are turds.
>>540493824>you don't put those things in the open and without any defenseUkrainians hide them in the woods, build shelters for them, but little drone-beasts see everything xDThats video from Kharkiv Oblast recorded few days ago by FPV drone operators from the 71st Guards Motorized Rifle Division: 5 FPV drones worth few hundred dollar find and destroy sheltered/hidden Krab howitzer worth $12M. First drone destroys the shelter, another 4 drones hit the same armour spot to weaken it and eventually destroy/burn the howitzer.
>>540496365Thats vid from 2 days ago. In the residential area of Druzhkovka, a British 155mm AS-90 self-propelled howitzer was destroyed by fiber-optic FPV drones; the entire fleet of these vehicles (99 units) had been handed over by the British to the Armed Forces of Ukraine "for disposal." Most of them were already destroyed.
>>540493693>it is a masterpiece and Russian systems are surely not worse than Western oneshahahahahahahhahahahahaha50 kopeyek are deposited to your account!
>>540496095No, drones protect your infantry and remove enemy's capacity to defend against high cost weapons. If we had to penetrate patrios with only heavy missiles and manned aircraft, the cost and risk would be too high for our economy to sustain. Geran/Shaheed are a boon, no wonder they spam thousands of them each month, You can't deliver thousands of ballistic missiles, the cost would be enormous. They are what makes US AA fail, the scenario where target costs 1/20 of an interceptor (without counting for the radar/launchers) is literally insolvable. And once their AA depletes, heavy bombs land and each missile hits. That's when enemy starts getting degraded. Drones are very important.
>>540496533Pantsir is extremely good system, imo. It felt victim to black war propaganda tho. The early Pantsir-S struggled with small, slow drones due to outdated radar filters, a real flaw weaponized into black propaganda that tried to present Pantsirs as "useless". Modern variants have upgraded AESA radars and EO/IR trackers, making them lethal against UAVs.
>>540494995Maybe Poland will be "forced" to intervene in Western Ukraine to prevent drones (launched from Ukraine) from entering their territory. Or something like that.
>>540492951I'm sure attacking commerce warehouses because higher priority targets are now impenetrable will fix this imbalance.
>>540496990>Maybe Poland will be "forced" to intervene in Western Ukraine to prevent drones (launched from Ukraine) from entering their territory. Or something like that.I predicted this too, 5 days before Polish politicians announced it xDhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/540350844/
>>540497113Isn't Western Ukraine rightful Polish clay anyway?
>>540492951During war everyone is forced to adapt and develop as lives depend on it.The US being not really involved had no need to really change. So a lot of US military products have known counters for a while now but the US MIC is being very slow at improving, in good part because they have backlog for years of the non improved model.HIMARS is the most obvious as it has been possible to jam it for a while now and it is went from amazingly useful to very expensive and almist completely combat ineffective. Similar to what happened to bayraktar it was super effective before the enemy adapted but now it is a 5 million dollar easy target. And its a constant race, now the slow shahed drones type of drones are quickly becoming obsolete in favor of faster models of drones even jet propelled to avoid the mini shoulder launched drone interceptors.To me seems that long range drones are evolving into their final form which seems to be very close to a low cost, mass produced cruise missile.
>>540497533We are unironically going back to the V2.
>>540492951Probably chabad lubavitch leaking state secrets when they go back to Israel.Like what they have been doing for 100 years.
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation just delivered a combined strike on the enemys energy infrastructure in the Odesa region.Among the struck targets:- Odesa TPP- PS "Usatovo" 330 kV,- PS "Tsentropolyt" 330 kV,- PS "Artsyz" 330 kV,- PS "Novoodeska" 330 kV,- PS "Mayaky" 330 kV,- PS "Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi" 110 kV,- PS "Karolino-Buhaz" 110 kV.Hohols need weeks of spaming Crimeas transformers and power nods with these wimpy drones to cause temporary blackouts. Russians in the other hand are capable to generate similar results in one strike
>>540494076that's why you keep moving them and raise antidrone measures you're idiotic shill and a lying faggot. I've seen your thread where you claimed to have a networth of over $200 million. Who's gonna believe that, lmfao
>>540498562You better learn Russian/Chinese, moron, instead of pretending to know anything about the modern warfare xD
Optic fiber specialists of the "South" Russian Armed Forces grouping destroyed a German Marder 1A3 IFV in the Kramatorsk direction.According to the LOSTARMOUR project, this is the 46th IFV of this type destroyed during the course of the SVO.
Geran-4 Seeker destroys:00:00 - Railway crane and repair-recovery train in the area of the village of Lozova, Kharkiv region 00:13 - Locomotive in the area of the village of Lozova, Kharkiv region00:23 - Locomotive of a railway train in the area of the village of Kudashevka, Dnipropetrovsk region 00:40 - Locomotive of a railway train in the area of the village of Bily, Sumy region
>>540493388US and EU were sabotaged by certain subversive elements within their population.
>>540499557based
https://youtu.be/YBgDzUMXTfEHundreds of units of enemy equipment destroyed in the first months on the Kursk axis, cutting off logistics in Sudzha, destruction of Ukrainian Armed Forces mechanized columns, and over eight thousand sorties throughout the entire period of combat operations. One of the first operators of the Rubicon Center provides detailed accounts of the defeat of the enemy in the Kursk border region where Rubicon drone unit annihilated hundreds Western armoured vehicles. The Rubicon Center for Advanced Unmanned Technologies was the main Russian drone unit in Kursk. Its key role was systematically attacking Ukrainian flanks and cutting supply lines to Sudzha. By hunting UAV operators, electronic warfare systems, and logistics 10-40 km behind the front, it paralyzed Ukrainian forces. This strategy, combined with relentless shelling, made their position untenable and forced their retreat from Kursk by March 2025.
>>540493807>translationWhy would we need to translate what mark milley said?
>>540498529Zelensky just announced that 300,000 hohols dont have electricity in Odesa now after this strike.https://x.com/camille_moscow/status/2086544867711135842What can i say? xD
>>540500470Still crazy that Ukraine was even able to invade Russia and hold land for months past Putin's due date. If this was American vs Mexico, this board would endlessly laugh at America if Mexico managed to hold land for about half a year inside of America's borders.
>>540501235>300,000 hohols300,000 households. Even worse xD
>>540501284They invade your Trumps Walls and protected borders everyday for years and nobody laughs xD
>>540501370Nobody laughs? You entirely understand my point but refuse to acknowledge it because it would not align with your world view.By the way, where is that Katyn massacre in Poland where the Russians sweep up all of your fellow Poles that you don't like? Still dreaming of this to happen one day?
>>540501490Yup. All these traitorous and sold anti-"elites" of Bolanda who serve USA/EU/BlackRock/WallStreet/Pfizer/Merck/etc should be Katyn'ed
>>540501597Holy fuck, it's too funny that I can see a Polish flag supporting Russia and I fucking knew it was you. Truly an outlier.
>>540492951> Russia found a counter to each one of them.Thanks for teaching Russia not to be abysmal at warfare, kek
>>540493478what happened to the thread?this used to be the second post here now its the tenth down?am I too close to the truth?
>>540493516> It just pretended to go away to better inflitrate the westWas für ne Räuberpistole, kek
There is a high threat of Iskander-M ballistic missile and Zircon hypersonic cruise missile launches to Kyiv and Kyiv Oblast for the next three hours, starting now.
>>540501284lol nobody has ever won in history invading russia. Not even napoleon. They will just burn their own cities down and retreat. Your idea of a win is silly. Thats not how war is actually fought. Land can easily be regained. The land captured of russia was empty.
>>540502667>Russia can never be defeated!Good thing this war doesn't require an invasion of Russia to win. All Ukraine has to do is not disappear, and so far they have lasted longer than the Third Reich.
>>540501597>All these traitorous and sold anti-"elites" of Bolanda who serve USA/EU/BlackRock/WallStreet/Pfizer/Merck/etc should be Katyn'edNo. Punishment of traitors should never be outsourced.
>>540502667>nobody has ever won in history invading russiaMongols did, fair and square.
>>540492951The Wunderwaffen can only be so wunder as the marketing team behind it.
>>540492951>He also said that Ukraine currently has no interest in joining this weak/disfunctional military organisation and instead should create its own alliances.The alliance of free shit ? So the beggar who used "every modern Western weapon type except Tomahawks, nuclear arms, carriers and F-35 jets. " for free now say he doesn t needed it and it s junk. Those peoples are fucked in the head.
>>5404930732 more days
>>540492951The truth is that Putin and Russia just want a fair share of the pie. Us technology like starlking is still superior.Putins circle wants the Russian speaking areas and for Russia to become the orthodox Christian version of UAE, with Musk and the Trump family getting a piece of the pie.
>>540503123He's right though. NATO and US equipment and teachings has proven to be ineffective against Russia. Tanks got stuck in the swamp because they were too heavy, Javelins became unusable due to the cold even before they reached the front lines, and overall there is not enough military production capacity to stand up to Russia. Drones were the highlight of this war, and despite all the propaganda, Ukraine is the only country on the Western side that has invested significantly in them even though it currently lags behind China, Russia, and even Iran. They were promised modern weapons to fight stupid orcs, but what they got were WW2-era doctrines and weapons designed to kill Israel’s enemies (farmers with AKs in the middle of the desert)
>>540493073Just like Iran was supposed to be done in 48 hours.Same exact scenario, bigger country goes in full of hubris and false Intel, and gets bogged down in a long and humiliating conflict.Frankly it looks intentional.
