So recently I have stumbled upon a bizarre community on social media, a bunch of Gen Z's who are embracing "Third Positionism." And amongst this group there has been a ton of infighting concerning the question of race. The whole thing is incredibly funny to watch, with classical fascists calling nazis fake fascists, and nazis calling classical fascists race blind civic nationalists. But it has led me to wonder just how much Fascism is intertwined with racism inherently. Pretty much every modern day Neo-Fascist group is racially exclusionary in some form or another, and so were most historical Fascists, to varying degrees. But I wonder what everyone else here thinks of that?
I syncrecticlly take the aesthetics of fascism and appropriate it into a leftist style ideology that preaches militant progressivism.
I don’t think that racial ideology necessarily needs to be an essential part of fascism, but it needs some sort of myth, and as it is, racial theories are often extremely convenient for it. But I really see no reason why a civic nationalism -oriented fascism couldn’t exist as a real ideology, it just needs a strong story to lean on.
It was Hitler who made fascism about race. Mussolini saw a spiritual attachment to the nation as more important than biological race
>>540500108Considering how much the Italian Fascists loved to larp as the Roman Empire, I wonder why more Fascist movements didn't embrace a Roman idea of citizenship. For the Romans, as long as someone participated politically, adopted the culture and language, and served in the military, they were considered Romans, there was even a Libyan Roman Emperor.
The common thread of fascism is homoeroticism and as the masculine worships competition and glory it is not much of a surprise that race obsessions would be a common theme around which fascist movements structute their wprldviews
>>540500106It is pure cope. Italian fascism was racist, Italians despised the Yugoslavians lol and sought to ethnically cleanse the region. Brazilian integralism isn't fascism, it's integralism. It lacked the irredentism that defines fascist movements.
>>540500106A true National Socialist doesn't view Fascism as a competing ideology. Fascism is simply a worldview for the Italian people while National Socialism is a worldview for the Germanic peoples, nothing more and nothing less.In the context of America, these are both equally meaningless labels since America will never succeed in manifesting either worldview as a basis for their state, which is irreversably Jewish and capitalistic.
>>540500106Fascismi requires an out group that needs to be feared and hate. Often this outgroup is a specific racial or ethnic group, but it doesn't have to be. Raceblind fascism can exist.
>>540500114One of the Italian fascist slogans was "Believe, Obey, Fight." Kind of sums it up. What's also interesting about that it doesn't say why you should obey or who you should fight. It's a purely formal imperative like that, you gotta do it because you just gotta! Or sacrifice yourself, you find the value in it through the act of sacrifice, not necessarily why. And that's also the appeal of it.https://youtu.be/LB9lObWclFQ
>>540500114I think using wealthy groups as an out group has done significantly well throughout history. Why not just use wealth instead of race?
>>540500106>like civic nationalism >like secularism>like the state having major say in the economy>like free speech, freedom of religion, other Western freedoms>dislike racism, imperialism, etc.What should I be?>inb4 Marxist/SocDem/etc.I like my (Western) nation and culture, sorry
Fascism derives from veneration of the Black Phallus, reflecting societal submission to patriarchal oversight of the Elite that intend to dictate your affairsThe Elites are fascsist, plebs are plebsLearn the difference, it might save your life
>>540500117Best fit I can think of off the top of my head is Peronism
>>540500116Because fascist movements were usually backed by wealthy people. Also wealthy people are easy to get rid of, other races not so much.
>>540500116The Falangists were pretty hostile to the wealthy
>>540500117Literally just call yourself a nationalistic technocrat. That's what fascism is once you remove the warmongering.
>>540500106This knockoff watered down version of fascism was created by third worlders who felt excluded by fascist white supremacists so they tried to change the meaning of it. The gayest part is how much they try to de-racialize it to make fascism seem misunderstood and rebellious to attract on the fence edgy zoomers.
>>540500116Because fascism is the final form of capitalism, in that the main focus of the ideology is the maximum concentration of wealth and power into as few hands as possible. Why would the ideology thats about amplifying the power of rich people target rich people?
>>540500124In Marxist theory fascism is capitalism in crisis, not the final form of capitalism. The final form of capitalism is socialism for which the full accomplishment of capitalism is the prerequisite.
>>540500106corporatism as an economic model is agnostic to racism or totalitarianism although it requires a state to function at all
>>540500117Centrist
>>540500106What is the point of nationalism without race? If your whole identity can be earned just by reciting a vapid poem and wearing the skinsuit, it is meaningless. Civic nationalism is a meme, it should to be apparent to anyone just by seeing that the people pushing it are the same people openly preferring foreigners and dismantling the native culture.Also civic nationalism presumes that the new "brothers" will also identify with the new cause and we saw it plenty om Europe and the U.S. that this never happens. As soon as push comes to shove, the supposedly loyal minorities crawl into the ass of their new master.
>>540500117You're just a moderate Liberal. I don't know what everyone replying to you is smoking to be honest
>>540500129No. They don't. Its obvious you're probably a tourist from twitter and have never had a serious discussion on this topic in your entire life
I replied to the wrong person and I can't delete my post lmao this shithole is fucking dying
>>540500112>the irredentism that defines fascist movementsWhere does it say that in the Doctrine of Fascism, or any other foundational text of fascisn?
>>540500129But liberalism is a left-wing ideology and basically softcore communism?
>>540500133Actually, liberalism is soft-core fascism.
>>540500133Your brain has been poisoned by /pol/, you don't know what liberalism actually is in a real world sense
>>540500128Ask the Romans
>>540500136You mean the Romans that brutally subjugated everyone, genocided entire cultures and collapsed when the multiculturalism hit back against Rome? Wouldn't really count them as a success of civic nationalism, at most cultural nationalism.
>>540500135The entire left-right dichotomy comes from liberals sitting on the left and monarchists sitting on the right...
>>540500138Correct. All political mainstream political factions in the west are varying degrees of liberal
>>540500139So fascism IS liberalism!
>>540500112>Italians despised the Yugoslavians lol and sought to ethnically cleanse the region.Was that *because* of fascim or regardless of it?
>>540500106Facism is at it's core, the government stepping in to realign goals and intrests to be inline with the nation. Thus it requires a strong national identity to pull common values. In addition it uses the preservation and strengthening of national identities and values as a means of legitamacy and justification for the above.Nativism is almost always a universal value among those who aren't elites and is the foremost way to preserve a nation.So it stands to reason that nativism and it's extensions are inseperable from Fascism. As both an inherent national value and as a tool to further define and preserve a nation.
>>540500137>collapsed when the multiculturalism hit back against Rome? Wouldn't really count them as a success of civic nationalism, at most cultural nationalism.The Roman Empire did not fall due to multiculturalism lol. Also, the discussion isn't about multiculturalism, it's about multiracialism. The Roman Empire was multiracial and anyone from any background could become Roman if they adopted the language, culture, values, and fulfilled their civic duties.
>>540500143The thing about the "adopt the Roman culture" line is that you can still have everything pulled from under you even if you did everything. It was a tightrope balancing act. There still was a hierachy
>>540500106Frankly I think that "people" who use the word "cope" have no place in fascist society. If you catch my drift xDDDDD
>>540500144Still, it was far from a racial ethnostate. There were Arab Roman Emperors.
>>540500133>liberalism is a left-wing ideology>the culture war mindbroke zoomers this hard>>540500137>the multiculturalism hit back against RomeAmerimutts are retarded If you aren't a monarchist then whatever you believe is likely to the left of liberalism.
Race is an impractical position considering the state of the world today. An isolationist ethnostate is doomed to mediocrity and possible extinction in the distant future.Race and genetics are real, but among educated middle classes in the developed world, the "bourgeois" as some say, it may as well be irrelevant due to the natural social darwinistic filter of their class. The few intelligent black men can escape the ghetto and live in a nice gated community where their only fear is their dipshit son doing something stupid on his way home after getting skittles and ice tea and getting shot by the neighborhood watch coordinator.
It becomes more relevant among the lower-middle class and especially noticeable among the blue collar class. A white blue collar has to be racist and find a segregated community if he wants to live in the high trust communities his ancestors always have.This is why mass media is eager to put across the impression that such communities were just 1950s hot dog adverts. You have actual sociologists talking about why "diverse" communities are actual terrible places even compared to eastern Europe where there are lower incomes and higher poverty, these same people then ban all talk of genetics, their position is the appeal to authority fallacy, it is a big mystery (requiring more research and funding, naturally) and anyone who nootices isn't part of the consensus and is le bad ackchually. Their profession thus progresses smoothly goes from uncovering the truth to suppressing it.
>>540500128one could be nationalist without being fascist or even racist if you hold the belief that all nations have the right to self-determination
>>540500148becoming a mutt takes an active effort, and is easily thwarted by not promoting migration, such as cheap foreign labour
>>540500148This is partly true, but total ignorance of race and maintaining an ethnic majority for whites is also a recipe for dooming the West. Nonwhites as a group (the majority) always vote for open borders and ethnocentric candidates. The "rich successful jeets" will keep importing their 75-IQ shit-eating cousins until they become the majority, and the nation suffers from a tragedy of the commons and a competency crisis. Even assuming their wouldn't be an inherent competency crisis; I still wouldn't want to be ruled-over by nons - there's no magical force guaranteeing they will treat us fairly.
>>540500148>Bringing up Trayvon in 2026?Why? Also why do you think the only black people on Earth are Black Americans. Your fixation on antagonizing them is pretty immature.
>>540500148>>540500106>>540500152Race is a social construct. In geopolitics, you use it to declare the enemy that you want to invade to be an inferior race to justify conquest and atrocities. Nazis want to invade Eastern Europe? boom, Slavs are subhumans and a different race. Japan wants to invade China? Boom, Chinese people are the inferior race. It has nothing to do with genetics, it's just a political tool
>>540500152>Ranting about Indians.Lmao you really are desperate.
>>540500148>Race and genetics are realThe former is a total meme and the latter is extremely complex and totally out of the expertise and domain of 99.9% of the retards on this site and the internet at large.
>>540500154This. It's literally a spook created to justify rich people taking things from others. The fact that people are still willing to fight and die for any race or culture is a tribute to how bad our education system is.
>>540500154Race is genetic reality. Also, nothing you say changes the reality that niggers, jeets, spics, and Arabs are shit and I don't want to live around them. You should be kidnapped and airdropped over Haiti or Somalia so you can experience the bounties of your ideology. >lolicon pedo troonMakes sense you're an ignorant midwit cukcold. >>540500155I mentioned Indians because they're just the biggest example of a race nobody likes; even niggers make fun of them on Tiktok. It flies in the face of the notion that race can be seen as irrelevant.
>>540500157Great, stand on a street corner and tell all the browns that race is irrelevant, I'm sure they'll give a shit and stop acting ethnocentric any day now.
>>540500151Those efforts have succeeded for 60 years. They managed to convince white people to haemorrhage resources to another tribe without a fight, something unthinkable for even their grandparents. It has gone on long enough they are no longer the majority in America, once the boomers die off that's it.They feel said black guy is now part of their "tribe" because he's their neighbor, because of the concerted effort to plaster black people across the media, because the American political establishment was forged in the crucible of "civil rights". So when his son gets shot they all kneel and support BLM and defunding the police.They can afford this idealism, they can afford to be nice, but take away the bubble of modern prosperity and it all falls apart.
>>540500158>I mentioned Indians because they're just the biggest example of a race nobody likes; even niggers make fun of them on Tiktok. It flies in the face of the notion that race can be seen as irrelevant.You are terminally online.
>>540500161>your observe reality online, therefore it not real, you need to backpack through India first
>>540500158>Race is genetic realityThat you totally lack the ability to define since it always morphs to whatever convenient narrative you can find.>Also, nothing you say changes the reality that niggers, jeets, spics, and Arabs are shit and I don't want to live around them.You think anyone wants to be near you as an individual? You sound like a rancid cunt and obsessed about cementing some random order that allows you to trap the bounty of luxury solely for the reason that you were born "the right colour".>You should be kidnapped and airdropped over Haiti or Somalia so you can experience the bounties of your ideologyAnd here comes the obssession over wanting your racism and race autism justified. I honestly think you'd like to be murdered and raped by a black guy just so your death could be used as fuel for some shoddy poltical movement. You truly sound that deranged.
>>540500162>your observe reality onlineOnline. The internet is no different than any other piece of media as a cultivated garden of cherry picked slip.
>>540500157Thankfully, racism is disappearing as a tool for waging war. Of course, it will be replaced by something else that the population is most likely to believe in"biological" racism was especially dangerous because it lead to things like Holocaust and Generalplan ost >>540500158>Race is genetic realityWrong, genetic disproved the existence of races, be it black/white, german/slavic or japanese/chinese
>>540500158blud is basing his world knowladge on tiktok
>>540500163>>540500164>>540500165Very nice, very mainstream and jew-approved. I still don't want Somalis and jeets in my neighborhood.
My view on race is that every race should have a country where they are the majority and as of this current moment there is an active effort to deprive white people of such a thing. I’m not against non white immigration but I don’t think they should be half of the population and I also don’t think they should be allowed to hold political office. I don’t believe in biological racism, but I do think that personalities are hereditary and that certain races develop cultural attitudes that become so deeply entrenched over time that those personality traits get passed down and over time it becomes the dominant genetic personality of that group, but I don’t think it’s immutable. I still believe people can assimilate, and I partly blame Americas embracing of multiculturalism for the state of the country now, not necessarily the immigrants themselves. I think we should have something like a mandatory assimilation school that all immigrants must attend where they learn the language, culture, and laws before a five year period. If by the end of that period they aren’t at a sufficient comprehension level they get sent back to their country. In public life people should assimilate to the dominant culture, they can speak their language and celebrate their culture in their home.
>>540500167neighborhood doesn't belong to you so you can't decide who will be allowed to live there can you?
>>540500164Here's an hour's worth of material reality for you:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFUIdcrgW6M>>540500169Yeah because my nation is in the hands of globalist plutocrats. The Hart-Celler Act of 1965 was lied about by Congressmen (they said it wouldn't change demographics). If there was a direct democratic referendum on immigration tolerance by region, it wouldn't be allowed.
>>540500167You can't force people to not move into a neighborhood. If they bought or rented a house/condo/townhouse/apart that id an agreement between that individual and the private owner/organization that owns or runs that housing. You do not matter in that arrangement one bit, so sit down and mald some more you petty tyrant.
>>540500171>You can'tYou can actually. It's been done in the past, and immigration restriction is still in practice in many places around the world today. Also you're a midwit for focusing on the "neighborhood" comment specifically and not realizing I meant the nation as a whole. Keep repeating milqtoast Reddit good goy talking points.
>>540500158>race us real because blah blah niggers are stupid blah blah social mediaThank you for singlehandedly justifying liberalism for 60 years straight with this retarded non argument. I appreciate it.
>>540500170>Hart-Celler Act of 1965was about ending discrimination vs Europeans and Asians >If there was a direct democratic referendumnope, I'm not that much interested in USA but there is no widespread violence against imigrants
>>540500170>Hart CelerThere were just as many Mexicans here as before. It's called the Bracero program but something tells me you aren't actually American anyway.
>>540500173Explain why Haiti is such a shithole compared to the Dominican Republic, when they share the same island and they get mountains of international gibs.>>540500174>there is no widespread violence against immigrantsThat doesn't mean people love having Somalis invade them, just that they don't want to go to prison for murder or assault under our current system.>>540500175The Bracero Program was a GUEST WORKER program, they didn't have citizenship, you retard. Also picrel.
>>540500176>GUEST WORKER program, they didn't have citizenship, you retard.Theu still lived in three country for years at a time, lived their permanently or near permanently and started families/brought families that became American citizens through birth or applying for PR then citizenship.
>>540500176>Haiti is such a shithole compared to the Dominican RepublicBut the Dominican Republic is also by definition a shithole lmao. Your racial 'tism is strange man.
>>540500176>Explain why Haiti is such a shithole compared to the Dominican RepublicDominicans are true Aryans, so true
>>540500178Think harder.
>>540500176>That doesn't mean people love having Somalis invade themBut nobody is protesting it, so why do you think that people hate Somalis for an example?
>>540500172>You can actually. It's been done in the pastIllegally or through many methods that also got used and abused against White people too lol.
>>540500181I'm guessing you're not American if you don't know about this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX-IKLSFH_I
>>540500179>Midwit doesn't know that they're both shitty, but Haiti is extremely shitty. So far the libs and leftoids seething at me have a bad track record when it comes to geography, history, and current events.
>>540500180Dominican Republic... is still a shithole by definition lmao. Also why do you ignore stayes like Barbados or Bahamas.
>>540500183That guy can barely string a sentence together and is barely literate.
>>540500185Midwit Award.read: >>540500184
>>540500183Why would I have to know about some scam AI grifter yt video spreading lies, he doesn't really represent majority
>>540500186>He made a grammatical error, therefore the reality playing out on camera not real.
>>540500188>shoves head in the sand and ignores material reality again
>>540500190What is reality according to you? I pointed out that there is nothing that indicates that most USA citizens hate imigrants. In response you just posted some AI slop scam video that is completely unrelated to the topic
>>540500191Have you not heard about Trump administration and the right having discourse about the Somali daycare fraud operation (lying about actual number of enrollments in order to steal government loans) in Minnesota and Governor Walz being investigated? You're either ignorant (makes sense because you're a default liberal NPC), our you're pretending to be dumb for the sake of the audience ITT because you don't want to address it. Are you even American? It makes sense if you're from semi-rural Norway or some shit and you can't comprehend what it's like to live around shitskins, so you just believe the tabula rasa narrative.
>>540500189He's barely coherent. Him and Nick Shirley pretty much made a lot of the business and daycare they "investsged" get targeted for break-ins and harassment/death threats. Worst part about the daycare investigation was that they all had kids in them with actual documented proof by the state.
>>540500192>Somali daycare fraud operationState compliance checks found most targeted daycares operating normally, just because some retard made an AI slop propaganda about it doesn't make it a reality
>>540500192All those daycare were legit and had kids in them. What ended up happening is that they got targeted for break-ins and vandalism. It'a sad you are trying to give credence to actual fraudulent YouTube slop. You losers deserve your crown of shame.
>>540500193>>540500194>>540500195>They were all legitThey lied about the number of kids.
>>540500187Dominican Republic is mixed race wirh notable African ancestry. The Bahamas and Barbados are Afro-Carribean majority yet have higher HDI than the DR. Trying to boil down it down is peak chud slop.
>>540500106>>540500124Fascism is literally normal right wing politics and reactionary politics except in a “revolutionary” and populist veneer ie mass mobilization and red flags to get people interested in fighting Bolshevism
>>540500184Why do you fags pretend that everyone who takes issue with racism is a leftist? Right wingers IRL don't want anything to do with your rancid views either.
>>540500196They all had documented and observed kids and were actively run daycare. The idea of them having less or more kids is totally ignoring the whole point. Some losers basically set the dogs on these daycare owners and for what? So they (Nick and Tyler) can get on on that grifter cash from easily fooled dumbasses and spin that off into a money making scheme?
>>540500196>They lied about the number of kids.yeah, your AI slopa youtuber did, and you ate it like a cattle because this is something that you want to believe in(or you are just extremely vunerable to propaganda but i suspect the former)
>>540500199>Right wingers IRLYou mean a handful of boomer elites?Most right-wing youth are Groypers or Nazis, or at least cultural-chauvinists/civnats because we broke the conditioning.
>>540500202Most young people are actually Bolshevik, we broke the conditioning and people are waking up to the fact that Stalin was right
>>540500203>t., leftypol tranny living in a bubble
>>540500202>t., pol tranny living in a bubble
>>540500198Fascism is syncretic and opposed to rootless internationalist capitalism as much as Bolshevism. It's interested in the success of the state it represents, not a specific class therein. If a monarchist or a business owner started acting traitorous, the got put in a camp too. >"Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."
>>540500203The only thing Stalin was "right" about was purging the (((Trotskyists))) and the (((rootless cosmopolitans))). It was one of his "accidentally based" moments.
>>540500106>Is Tyranny pure cope?Yep.
>>540500207he also genocided all nazi trannies without mercy, that was very based
>>540500202>You mean a handful of boomer elitesNo I mean actual working age people who hold right wing views. They don't endorse faggots like you or anything you spew here. In fact that's probably why you even come here at all instead of some public forum where everyone who isnt "a boomer elite" totally agrees with you.
>>540500210Yeah bro we all love (((Dennis Prager))) and (((Ben Shapiro))).
>>540500209Now Bolshevik party voters are getting blown-up by German-made munitions in Ukraine.
>>540500203The Red Tornado is coming
>>540500213Actually Russia is a shithole and it's losing to Ukraine after 4 years, lol. Also they abandoned communism.
>>540500214you seem to be in distress because we broke the conditioning, that's understable, prey has the right to be scared
>>540500213Slavic Bolshevism fury is unstoppable
>>540500150Even if you don't believe in expansionism or extermination, the concept of a nation state still presupposes a sort of racism.I know this is bordering /pol/ territory, but take mass migrstion for an example. Even if you had the resources to house them all without affecting the native population and even if the crime would wouldn't change, you still have to reject a large number because a nationalist realises the innate difference between people (even if he doesn't believe in race per se) and that a large number of foreigners would displace local cultures.
>>540500216>Gets stopped in Ukraine because they don't have Anglo gibs this time.
>>540500217>I know this is bordering /pol/ territoryDon't apologize to Reddit faggots for telling the truth.
>>540500216the result of messing with PoleGods
>>540500218https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrx3QGkyBls
>>540500221https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2emMAPUmQM
>>540500106Not really. The crucial ingredient of fascism is nationalism. That can be but doesn't have to be racial nationalism. Arguably for any nation that isn't small and historically isolated, racialism and nationalism actually come into conflict to some degree, because any nation with an imperial past invariably spread its culture, language, identity etc. to people of different racial origins. Even German national socialism struggled to reconcile German nationalism with Nordic supremacism given that Germany was far from uniformly Nordic.
>>540500221Cпacибo дeдy зa пoбeдy! Их гepoизм нaвceгдa ocтaнeтcя в иcтopии
>>540500221This is a true army. Men under the verge of extinction fighting for the very survival of their people. There was no greater show of human resolve, dedication, determination and bravery than the Red Army fighting for the very survival of their people.
>>540500225Beria, the head of the NKVD, was a pedo who kidnapped, raped, and murdered little girls.>Evidence suggests that Beria also murdered some of the women. In 1993, construction workers installing streetlights unearthed human remains near Beria's former Moscow villa (now the Tunisian embassy), which included skulls, pelvises and leg bones.[112] More were found at the site in 1998, when the skeletal remains of five young women were discovered during work carried out on the water pipes in the villa's garden.[113]
>>540500106>Is Fascism without racism pure copeConceptually, no. Not even close.But it's pretty hard to find a situation that warrants a race blind fascism in today's world.
>>540500226may i see the bones?
>>540500227Modern day American fascism has to be raceblind to a degree because America is too mutted. If you want a movement with mass support you have to appeal to africans and hispanics.
>>540500224the masculine power of Bolshevism
>>540500229I've heard this before and I've seen politicians pull two out three constituencies together but never all three. I don't think it's a viable solution, you need to dilute your message too much to manage that. In fact, at this point I wonder whether spics haven't grown to the level where they are too numerous to allow for unity but not numerous enough to replace whitey.
>>540500231>you need to dilute your message too much to manage that. Not necessarily. Real fascism in America would likely take the form of a movement adhering to the label of nationalistic technocracy. All this movement would need to do is not bar blacks and hispanics from their organization and have a few token blacks on the team. All you have to do is just not be antagonistic toward other races.
>>540500106Fascism is inherently nationalistic. And civic nationalism is a retarded, self defeating meme. So, to some extent, fascism must be ethno-nationalistic.The real problem is the successful implantation of the idea that anything short of full throated support for the eradication of all ethnicity and culture is genocidcal racial supremacy. Actual national socialists allied themselves with nationalists of other races to pursue their common interests. But now people think that to pursue the interests of their own ethnicity they must also hate everyone else, and they assume this of others as well. So you end up with this clash between retards trying to preserve multiculturalism within an ideology that exists in large part in opposition to it vs retards justifying the very fears that lead to that clinging to multiculturalism.
>>540500231You could always include white hispanics without including all of them. To some extent you’d have to abandon the idea of racial purity in an American context
>>540500232Real fascism in America is negotiated ethnic balkanization.
>>540500232You aren't uniting anything that way bro. You're just gonna have an overwhelmingly white movement with a few uncle toms that will be constantly attacked for its racial composition.Actually, this is what wouls have happened last century.This century, what would happen is that your own core demo would ask though questions about race and being raceblind would force you to refuse them answers.You'd lose everyone immediately. Can't do the raceblind shit in an already highly racially hostile society.>>540500234>You could always include white hispanics without including all of them.That's fine, but not raceblind.
As its been said, Mussolini and Italian fascism originally didnt care about race or the jews, they just wanted to larp as the roman empire. it was hitler who brought in all the racial stuff
>>540500237Nah, that's just revisionism you're doing. Supremacist and expansionist rhetoric was always inherent in Italian Fascism. We have the scars carved in Libya, the Balkans and East Africa as proof.
Honestly, in the new world mutt nationalism/fascism will probably be the only successful way of being far right.Racial fascism only makes sense in europe because white people are the nativesWhite people are not native to america, that Brazilian integralism actually makes sense in the new world due to the dynamics of being non native and multicultural
>>540500238Imperialism and cultural chauvinism aren’t the same as the racial supremacist ideology of the Nazis. The Italians wanted to Italianize other peoples because they viewed their culture as superior. The Nazis wanted to eradicate other peoples.
>>540500238Mussolini's side chick was a jew, he also didnt care about so called degenerate art, early italian fascism was embracing futurism
>>540500239>White people are not native to americaAnglos and Germanics built the USA. The other races only showed up after there were banks and railroads. Nobody cares about the stone-age shit that came before.
>>540500242native americans pre date, whites came over on boats. You are just being insufferable on purpose >germanicsgermans were the original immigrants coming in after the anglos, people hated them, Benjamin franklin thought they were groids
>>540500108>I don’t think that racial ideology necessarily needs to be an essential part of fascismIt isnt. It's the biggest boomer myth of all times.Fascists viewed the whole race stuff as divisive and thus counter-productive for the total unity under the state which fascists wanted to achieve.They werent more racist than what was the common norm at the time. Most democratic states had segregation laws then. Fascists mostly went murder-racists after aligning with and appeasing to Germany.
>>540500241>Mussolini's side chick was a jewDoesn't mean jackshit.
>>540500243I'm just saying that whites built the USA and they were the majority for its existence, so we have a natural claim to it. You're insisting on a technicality that nobody cares about except wokoids.>blah blah blah whites all hated each other blah blah blahPicrel. Also a lot of the "white infiighting" stuff is revisionist cherry-picking by a leftist jew named (((Noel Ignatiev))).
>>540500240>Imperialism and cultural chauvinism aren’t the same as the racial supremacist ideology of the NazisYou really are that stupid. They treated Greeks and Yugos like dogshit and aimes to erase their culture and language through explicitly discrimination tory policies and active violence+killing. It was LITERALLY NO DIFFERENT.>The Italians wanted to Italianize other peoples because they viewed their culture as superior.They still had a racial hierachy yoy dumbass. Itialians above all else, culture was seen as inherently intrinsic and innate to the Italian people that no other people were seen to EVER truly integrate or assimilate into.>The Nazis wanted to eradicate other peoples.So did the Italians. Dear God the revisionism and sanitization of the Facist regime in Italy is the most retarded shit I have seen online in my life.
>>540500246You treat the founding fathers words like a relgious text. You do realize many White people under that criteria at that time would not be eligible right? Indentured servitude was rampant back then. Using land and incline requirements almost every White man in the US would not solidly qualify.
>>540500112>Italians despised the Yugoslavians Ok here is the problem with your logic. You assume something is connected.Your logic is:Italians were racist to Jugoslavs.Italy had a fascist governmentErgo fascism was about racism towards Jugoslavs.Here is the problem with your logic.You try to connect dots that arent connected.USA, Australia, South Africa etc had racist segregation laws.USA, Australia, South Africa etc were democratic.Ergo democracy equals racist segregation laws.Do you see the problem here?You're being selective and refuse to test your own logic with perspective.You cant apply common traits of a culture and society to the ideology when its not part of the ideology. You need to judge the political ideology on what the core tenants of that ideology is.If I was a teacher, and I was going to give an objective explaination on what the communist ideology is, I would not define the ideology based on Pol Pots depopulation programs in Cambodia. You may add that this can be an effect of communism, but it's not part of the ideology. Likewise you can argue that fascism may lead to increased racism, but it's not part of the ideology.Do you understand this rationale?
>>540500112>Brazilian integralism isn't fascismLiterally every historian labels them fascist.You cant just say they arent fascist because its inconvenient to your narrative.Who is coping here exactly?
>>540500112All you're doing is defending boomer myths because why exactly?
>>540500245Does it also not mean anything that the Italian Fascist party had several jews
>>540500249>Ergo fascism was about racism towards Jugoslavs.Because we have the facist policies, military and police violence and attempted cultural and linguistics erasure of the several Balkan areas as proof.>>540500252Yes Jews can be racist too. Why does the presence of Jews negate any of the rqAcial or racializing policies of Mussolini's government?
>>540500124>Why would the ideology thats about amplifying the power of rich people target rich people?Because those rich people dont serve state interests dummy.Fascist economic corporatist model is to re-direct wealth and power to the state.Capitalims > Wealth to individualsCorporatism > Wealth to stateSocialism > Wealth to workersFascist corporatism isnt pure capitalism because fascist corporatism controls the economy, it controls the market, it controls the workers.Pure capitalism is when the market is unregulated and there are no barriers for individuals to accumilate as much wealth as possible for themselves purely for their own self-interests without anyone stopping them or guiding their ambitions to a different goal than themselves.
>>540500253>Because we have the facist policies, military and police violence and attempted cultural and linguistics erasure of the several Balkan areas as proof.You still dont get it do you?You keep connecting dots that arent connected.I literally tried to spell it out for you as simple as I could with my communist reference.I can point to policies of several communists states that were violent and supressing but that doesnt mean I can lecture about the communist ideology based on these facts because it's not part of the ideology itself.I want you to tell me what it is that you dont understand in what I just wrote.
Man whoever is the /his/ janny has a fucking low IQ.
>>540500106The US will never have Fascism because they've chosen judaism as their ideology long before they even revolted from Britain
Aw great now this thread is gonna get stinky with poltrannies
>>540500106Why are fascist always gotta be so damn zesty? Is that why they hate the gays so much, taking their spotlight?
>>540500109Yeah Franco spain wasn't really super racist in the hitler way either. Just normal comfy racism.
>>540500106Looks like this got moved from a shit board, but racialism was a German specific flavor of fascism. The Italians that invented it didn’t have it
>>540502928I got moved from /his/, which is a far superior board compared to /pol/ and its shitposting.
