how does Ukraine intend to recapture all this? it would require an offensive operation on the scale of ww2 to pull it off
>>540518493Stinky?
>>540518493They will draft the butthurt belt after an arranged fake provocation.
>it would require an offensive operation on the scale of ww2 to pull it offNah, just keep blowing up shit in Russia until they go back voluntarily.
>>540518493The white man won't go to die for that shithole. The butthurt belt maybe but given that all of them had no balls even to help the USA in Iran, they will accept Russia's victory after THD and make up some woke excuse how they actually won.
>>540518572Russia will only tolerate that for so long, you know. They're not going back or it will never stop.Just remember, if they do something, no crying on 4chan about it. I won't allow it. You gotta be tough.
>>540518493People are just trying to figure out how they can exit with their cash etc. and where they can safely bail out to.Tarded wignats and wignat adjacents really showed their 'military analytical expertise' on this one.The extreme cope of >muh children's children will finish this>muh ubermenschWith the displayed level of performance is laughable, random pajeets are also ubermensch as well according to current standards.So on the positive side, at least a lot of people revealed how foolish they are re. matters of war. Same thing is happening in terms of industry right now too. We are currently in the great disenchantment of internet thought.
>>540518649>Russia will only tolerate that for so long, you know.That's the point imbecile. They'll only tolerate it for so long, until they go back voluntarily.
>>540518543more like Ztinky
>>540518699Nah they'll surge and blow the shit out of all kinds of crap and NAFO will panic and try to grab a rump state around Lviv which will result in Hungary, Romania, and Poland squabbling about land they all "own."You're gonna laugh. But no, Russia's move is strategic. What with the biolabs and ethnic cleansing of Russians, they have to nip that in the bud. They will, lol. You'll come on here all abloo blooing about le Russia aggression and we'll say, told you so.Get ready for it.
>>540518699good thing that if it is not going to happen you'll shrug it off (who cares) and switch to something different. (based behavior)
>>540518493Their strategy rn seems to put pressure on Russian public until they are fedup of this colonial war and Putin somehow falls.At some point with the mutiny and Wagner doing a little trip to Moscow I thought they may be close to boiling point but it seems it reinforced Putin hands instead
>>540518493Not when russia withdraws.
Im glad ukraine is dying. I will dance on thier grave the way israelis danced to 9/11
>>540518825>Nah they'll surge and blow the shit out of all kinds of crapWhy don't they do that now? Why didn't they do that in fucking February of 2022?>>540518843what?
>>540518804Wait, what? Source? I was only taking the piss. Has Stinky actually fallen? Why wasn't this on the news?
>>540518493
I don't think they can. They might get some back during negotiations though
>>540518493In their tranny logic Russia should surrender because of terrorist attacks on warehouses, and cede territory worth magnitudes more than those warehouses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>540519070Russia will surrender because your economy will collapse. It will be an interesting winter for you
Once russia surrenders they can just walk in and take it back.
>>540518983>the drones will just recapture the land brois this the so called high israeli IQ on display?
>>540518493It's not, ukraine will be lucky if it still exists in five years
>>540519070>cede territory worth magnitudes more than those warehousesit's all rubble and ruined depopulated cities. the war now is being fought to capture the rubble of kramatorsk and slovyansk etc. no people left, no building left. this benefits russia somehow and is worth a million more dead russians for sure, including (You)
>>540519165These are the last days of the Russian federation, by 2030 Russia will not exist in this form anymore
all european incels will be drafted and used as drone attractors
>>540519231America does good thing for once
>>540519159>the drones will just recapture the landProblem?
>>540519121You keep saying this about our economy since 2022. All your crap looks like excuses for locals to keep spending a lot of tax money on Kiev's regime while, in fact, the results of the western funding and arming always the same, more death and destruction in Ukraine whose economy has already collapsed, by the way.
>>540519121You are so fucking retarded. Are you aware that Russian economy has been growing _faster_ than EU for all these years? And recently we've even started importing norks to establish China-alike ACME facilities.
>>540519228>by 2030 Russia will not exist in this form anymoreYeah, it will include the former Ukraine and probably Moldova/Transnistria too.
>>540519168NATO wants it badly because of the access to the Black Sea. Kiev's regime wants it badly to make a lot of money by renting it to NATO. For Kiev's regime it is worth million more dead Ukrainians for the mere attempt to take it.
>>540519359>And recently we've even started importing norks to establish China-alike ACME facilities.Lots of indians and niggers too.
>>540519439Right but why does Russia want it badly?
>>540518957Fierce (but mostly peaceful) fighting is still taking place in the area. Some Russian mappers show it as taken, others show it as contested. Russian MoD says it was taken last week, no visual evidence came out so far. According to hohols, Russians are still 10 km away from there kek
>>540518649>Russia will only tolerate that for so long, you know.lmao>we're actually holding back while 1.4 million of us are slaughtered!!!
>>540519470>1.4 millionSource?
>>540519457Russia rented it for the Russian naval base. Now Russia owns it. Russia doesn't want to give it to NATO.
>>540518645Of course we won't go die for this shit hole. We would let our lands behind with millions people from other Shitholes with 70 IQ to manage our country while we are absent or dead. There is nothing to win on this front. But maybe we could force all the migrants to fight this war. But than it would mean we have to arm them and this won't end well. So dear Russians. You are free to do whatever you like back there. We don't care. If Ukrain is stupid enough to waste millions of their Russians against the Russians of Russia than let it happen.
>>540519536I guess it is the same source that claims about 50 thousand of Ukrainian heroes fallen fighting the evil aggressor for almost 5 years.
>>540518933Probably literally because it's not impossible that Poland will get a big chunk of Ukraine after the state collapse.
>>540518983I enjoy asking Fren Computer math problems.
>>540519536>>540519569
>>540519121Their economy collapsed already 2022. At least my tv says so for a few years now.
>>540519359This is impossible. My TV would never lie to me. It's stated clearly that we are in a economical upwind while Russians need to eat bugs and shoes.
>>540519443There are some jeets and niggers, but not much - their niche is mostly occupied by ex-USSR Central Asian republics, who at least somehow know the language and culture.While Norks come organized as already assembled brigades ready to work day0. If they manage to make it work it's going to be the most promising development for Russian economy imo.
>>540518493By buying it back at the bargaining table, if their strikes Wildberries are any indication.Not saying it will work or anything, but there are more ways to (re)capture territory than just through brute force which they obviously lack.
>>540518983Jesus Christ
>>540518572Yeah I'm sure russia will just give up and go home lmaoNo wait, they'll just start blowing up your shit long before that happens and then everyones shit will be getting blown up all the time and there'll be less stuff for everyone.Thanks glowniggers
I just don't think pumping infinity money into Ukraine is a good financial decision.
>>540519544>Russia rented it for the Russian naval base. Now Russia owns it.But Russia doesn't have a navy for the base anymore lmao.>>540519953Okay, they should blow my shit up now then. Why wait. Attack America now.
>>540519881They can't take the land back. They do random blow-up jobs in Russia to show their usefulness for the West, to keep getting the western money.
>>540520028They should just keep blowing up the refineries and etc. Why not just keep doing that until Russians go back and leave Ukraine? It's what they're already doing now in Crimea. No fuel makes it hard to have food and function.
>>540518493This is what you would think if you had two brain cells to rub togetherUkraine isn't retaking this territory. It's using Crimea and occupied Ukraine to attack Russia's supply lines and make holding these areas extremely expensive. Russians are already evacuating Crimea.
>>540519998>But Russia doesn't have a navy for the base anymore lmao.You should consult your own propaganda who says you this. I'm not interested in discussing all the bullshit they feed you.
>>540519359Not growing faster now Ivan. Russia is fucked.
>>540518983>>540519693Oh, it's unfunded capacity. And we could doubel the unfunded capacity!
>>540520095no Moskova?
>>540519439>NATO wants it badly because of the access to the Black Sea.are you retarded on purpose?
>>540520169NATO controls access to the Black Sea. It's funny.
>>540518493Russia will soon capitulate and fall apart into a dozen tiny states.
>>540520087But there's fuel, your 'no-fuel' saviour of Ukraine turned to be another nothingburger as the previous saviours. Plus Russians always have the option to turn Kiev into Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of going back. This option helped the USA back in the day and Japan now is America's best friend.
>>540520169Good morning, UKie.
>>540519168russian loses are 10 times smaller than ukrainian, they are getting new lebensraum it was easy to bullshit in 2022 when loses were small, today accumulated loses are visible on ukrainians population balance
>>540520253>But there's fuelIn Moscow>Russians always have the option to turn Kiev into Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of going backXi won't allow it.>>540520329>russian loses are 10 times smaller than ukrainianlmao
>>540520273morning HIVan
>>540519998>why don't they do the desperate move that they would do if they were desperateI'm gunna have a long hard think about this and conclude that it's probably because they're not actually desperate little buddy.
>>540520028Yes, that is what i said, they can't take it back by force.But they can try to force you to give it back at the negotiating table by making costs untenable for you, which is what they are trying.And again: I have my doubts they will succeed, but i cannot be sure for whatever other idiocy this war of theirs is it does bypass the Russian winter problem at least.
>>540520412Okay so it's better for them to just drag the war on, get their shit blown up, keep Russian soldiers dying, etc...than to just end the war now?
>>540519693>>540520121>>540518983I'm learning about Russian verb tenses too! Apparently Russian works on Simon Says rules.If you just say a verb like дeлaeм that could really mean anything; we're making, we might make we could make but just aren't feeling it today.By saying Simon Says first, or cдeлaли in Cyrillic, then you mean, "we actually for real made the thing.Learning is fun!
>>540518493People joke, but this is actully going to be another “” 100””years war , it suits the powers perfectly to consume the tools of the machine, and neither side is really willing to lose
>>540519439bwahahhahahahahgood one
>>540520456No.Because you've made it clear that you're bring the war to them regardless, pulling back won't stop the west from striving towards their clearly stated goal of "balkanising Russia", it will just mean that they restart the war from an even more vulnerable position.
>>540520364just use google, imbecile lolloses of such scale are visible on population balancerussians are big, but still invisible, russian UK funded oppositiion already tried to find them and started to add car accidents and all unnatural death lolukrainian are visible, they are from 1.5 to 2 mln soldiers dead, it was possible to bullshit around in 2022 when ukrainian loses were a bit more than 100kthere is also huge natural reduction (death>birth) around 2 mln and more than 10 millions war migrants/people who became citizens in western / russia etc
>>540520525Iran is no Russia, it is not even Ukraine; it will not last five years.
>>540520564So why does Putin drag it out then?>>540520565didn't read because spacing
>>540520568Why not? Lol.
>>540520602Once again, pulling back wouldn't actually end the war the west has been striving towards for the last few decades
Russia will collapse in merely two more weeks or something
>>540520121Why doesn't Europe just give them the 20-40 billion to match their capacity? That's pennies compared to what we spend.
>>540518493They don’t have to manually retake every square inch of it by force, they just need Russia to withdraw. The taliban did not fight us tooth and nail in the streets of Kabul, they waited for us to leave etc.Even if the Russians never intend to leave that is only as it stands under the current government. However many years or days away Putin is from leaving office, that day inevitably will come and with it a chance for the successor to just blame all the quagmire on Putin and withdraw to try to normalize Western relations. Is that a guaranteed result no not at all, it just is more likely than Putin appears to be considering even just freeze the conflict. I think he would only do that if Russia is literally-actually collapsing economically and they suddenly can’t afford to pay their personnel to be there, which is also possible but that is like a 90s tier meltdown required and I don’t know if it’s realistic to expect that. China might bail them out or ask for Vladivostok back or something in return, I bet that is their playbook since they would be unlikely willing to invade a nuclear neighbor directly but would certainly want their old lands back.
>>540520616No friends, no copatable resources, no stores to rely on, islam.Could probably name more if i wanted to but i really don't need to.
>>540519439>If vatniggers could read maps, they would be very upsetKek
>>540519462>Russian MoD says it was taken last weekSo it's no taken
>>540520766You were a foreign occupying force in Afghanistan far away from home, it is a completely different dynamic when you've merely extended the physical borders of your homeland, especially if the civilian population there is neither hostile nor foreign - as is the case for much of the Donbass.
>>540520821Who told you that they have no one to rely on? And what sort of reason is "islam"?Ukraine has over 4 times lower population compared to Iran. There's nothing to suggest those guys will not manage.
>>540520745I want to know why they built all that unfunded in capacity in Ukraine where Russia can drop full funnded FABs and Iskanders on it. Could have avoided that problem by building in Poland, right?
>>540520519>I'm learning about Russian verb tenses too!I'm sure you are..
>>540518493Yeah let's have half of the catalogue filled with Russia and Ukraine threads so you can lead the same "discussion" everyday for 5 years hahaahahahah so cool right hahaahah
>>540521020production facilities in ukraine are dispersed and russian bombs and missiles are known to be wildly inaccurate and inadequate anyway. hence why 5 years later theyre still stuck dying in the mud of the east donbas less than 60km away from the starting point
>>540518543stinky will never fall
>>540518493Blow up everything 50km behind the line, wait until the guys holding the front die from thirst and starvation
>>540518493The same frogs did a glorious, great offensive and recaptured all their territories before pushing to Berlin in 1919 remember? Man, some people just refuse to learn history
>>540519070Ok keep your territory if you enjoy being droned for the next 100 years with drone range increasing by 100km every month and the number doubling each year. You could've taken the lesson from trump's Iran's affair admit defeat and pull out but you are retarded enough willing to go back into stone age for the sake of keeping some useless potato fields littered with glass fiber forever. Be my guest.
>>540523131...they just hit the flamingo factory the other day
>>540523882Ukrainians will be physically extinct in 20 years in imaginary scenario were war continue in pace like todayThere are examples like circassian war
>>540523189Stinky has fallen.Now OrkHIV is being captured.
We sent 1 000 000 men to die just to get our territories back during WW1 I don’t think the Ukrainians are ready for this sacrifice.
>>540523990any proof beyond "the russians said they did"?
>>540518645>The white man won't go to die for that shitholeThank you for conceding that Russians are, in fact, niggers. They die left and right while not even making gains.
>>540523998It's irrelevant. You don't need Ukrainians to launch drones forever. And Russia isn't doing well population wise either. Thats why Russians are retarded. They think that Ukraine having it worse means that Russia is winning, while in reality Ukraine is irrelevant and only thing Russia does is shooting themselves in foot
>>540524171Telegrah article, just google it
>>540524232Russia isn't doing well politically either. Pic related is next year's map.
>>540524232whole war is based on bussification, ukraine needs to bussify 30k per months, thats average losesthere is no war without bussification, who will be next in line in europe for bussification?russian population is stable, googleit, it actually increased during the war to 152 mln with new former ukrainian citizens
>>540518493How did french push off germans at the end of the ww1?
>>540518493by recruiting all white european males to the front line. simple as. no exceptions.
>>540518493I dont think recapturing them is on the agenda.They'll try to get what they can via the negotiation table. The trick is to by inflicting as much human and material loss as possible try to make Russia come crawling for a peace deal and consequently be desperate enough to agree to release some of that captured territory in exchange for peace.Probably not going to happen but it's likely the most 'optimistic' gameplan that Ukraine has atm. Personally I think those areas are lost forever. Best case scenario is if Ukraine secure a membership in the EU and NATO.
>>540524394>it actually increased during the war to 152 mlnHave fun with those retiree age grandmas. Anyone capable have long fled from russia
>>540524450The Ukraing is dead. Long live the Rusing!
>>540518493>it would require an offensive operation on the scale of ww2 to pull it offno, it wouldn't, don't be stupidyou simply raise the level of attrition to the point that Russia collapses internally, as it has done historically every single time its authoritarian state has failed to meet the basic needs of the citizenrythe thing Putin fears the most is a coup - to the extent he has a private military separate from the actual military to fight off coups - he doesn't hold this fear irrationallyit's a very, very real threat to him - he's not actually that popular, a priori if he was, he wouldn't have to rule through fear and suppressionbut the reality is that he does rule through fear and suppression rather than popularitysurely you're not so retarded as to think a head-on assault is always the only approach?
>>540524622all people who stay in ukraine are old, average age is higher than in europe or russia lol, there are less workers that social benefit receiverswar created death loop, thats why i told 20 yearsto continue war ukraine needs bussification, it triggers emigration of boys from high school, which also drives girl export and birth rate reduction each yearthere is around 1 million net outflow of pops per year, natural reduction + emigration + military loses
>>540518493With thought and prayers
>>540524929forgot lol, grrom export was predicted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVymeNyZmkA
>>540518543Forever in our nostrils.
