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"Quote" by the ancient Greek historian Polybius from his work The Histories (Book 36, Chapter 17), which was written around 140 BC—making it approximately 2,165 years ago.


"In our times, Greece as a whole is experiencing a lack of children and, more generally, a decrease in population. Because of this, cities have become deserted and there is a lack of productivity, even though we do not suffer from constant wars or epidemics. So if someone advised that we send priests to the gods to ask them what we should say or do to become more numerous and better inhabit our cities, he would not seem foolish, since the cause is obvious and the solution lies in our own hands.

People have turned to arrogance, greed, and laziness, and they neither want to marry, nor, if they do marry, to raise their children. Instead, they have only one or two children with difficulty, just to leave them wealth and raise them in luxury.

This evil grew rapidly, and we did not notice. For when there are only one or two children, and one is lost to war and the other to illness, it is obvious that the cities will inevitably become deserted, just as a beehive weakens little by little, so too do cities that lack population become unable to survive."

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Here is what happened next:

1. The Final Downfall (146 BC)
Only a few years after Polybius described these conditions, the ultimate catastrophe occurred for the Greeks. In 146 BC, the Achaean League (an alliance of Greek states) dared a hopeless rebellion against Rome.
The Roman legions ruthlessly crushed the uprising. The Roman general Lucius Mummius conquered the rich and powerful city of Corinth, burned it to the ground, killed the defenders, and sold the women and children into slavery.
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>>540528879
2. Why Polybius Was Right
The oliganthropia (lack of people) described by Polybius was a decisive military disadvantage. While Rome, after severe defeats (like against Hannibal), could easily recruit tens of thousands of new soldiers, the Greek cities simply no longer had enough young men to raise powerful armies. The luxury and comfort that Polybius criticized had made them defenseless.

3. Greece Becomes a Roman Province
After the destruction of Corinth, Greece was de facto incorporated into the Roman Republic. Initially, it was administered from the Roman province of Macedonia, and later Emperor Augustus made it its own Roman province under the name Achaea.
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>>540528879
4. Cultural Victory Despite Military DefeatAlthough Greece had fallen politically and militarily, something unique happened: Greek culture conquered Rome.The Roman poet Horace later summarized this in a famous sentence: "Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit" ("Conquered Greece took captive her savage conqueror").The Romans adapted Greek philosophy, art, architecture, and gods. Greek remained the lingua franca of the entire eastern Mediterranean, and for rich Romans, it was considered good manners to speak Greek and study in Athens. Polybius's Own Role:Polybius himself was a tragic figure in this drama. He was taken to Rome as a hostage in 167 BC.

There he befriended leading Romans and experienced Rome's rise to a world power firsthand. He wrote his work The Histories precisely for the purpose of explaining to his Greek compatriots why and how Rome could conquer the entire known world (including Greece) in just under 50 years—and he saw the blame not only in Rome's strength but in the inner decay of his homeland.
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tge usa has become an Israeli republic, what next?
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>>540529034
>tge usa has become an Israeli republic, what next?
American culture will dominate Israel.
They will have holidays for niggers and so on.
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>>540528879
>In 146 BC, the Achaean League dared a hopeless rebellion against Rome.

No.

Rome was asked to solve a feud between Sparta and the Achaean.
Corintians chimped out.
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>>540529326
>No.
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>Rome was asked to solve a feud between Sparta and the Achaean.
>Corintians chimped out.

3. The Riot in Corinth
When the Corinthians and Achaean leaders heard this, they completely lost control. The mob in Corinth rioted. They hunted down Spartans who were in the city and attacked them.
Most disastrously, they directed their rage at the Roman ambassadors. The mob insulted, mocked, and physically threatened the Roman envoys, forcing them to flee for their safety.

4. The Ultimate Excuse
In the ancient world, assaulting or insulting foreign diplomats was a massive breach of protocol, but doing it to Roman ambassadors was practically a death sentence. Rome was furious. This violent outburst handed the Romans the perfect casus belli (justification for war) on a silver platter.

/// still.... weakness equals weakness. there is nothing new under the sun.

<<<<<"luxury and comfort made them defenseless" >>>>
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>>540528879
People aren't going to have children all of a sudden.

Artifical wombs is the only solution.

We now have the technology, only thing needed is someone with balls to make the decision.
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>>540528879
>written around 140 BC
>a few years after Polybius described these conditions, the ultimate catastrophe occurred for the Greeks. In 146 BC

Do you know how time works you fucking retard.
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>>540530066
Lel
>the universe started with jesus and expanded in two directions of time
>>540528879
Greek successor states also could only recruit from Macedonian settlers for their phalanx so they had a limited manpower pool, with the exception of ptolemaic Egypt just before the battle of raphia.
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Greece was kill already after the Peloponnesian wars, Macedon the hillbilly kingdom to the north was a blessing inasmuch as it allowed mainland cultural development to spread further than ever due to its rowdy military success but it's a bit like Europe post WWII, even if American hegemony spread European ideas and ways further and further the core is spent
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>>540531434
Greeks are retarded traitors. if they'd band together instead of killing each other in endless wars they would have defeated Rome. but because they have an inherently treacherous spirit, they couldn't help themselves.

Not just thousands of years ago btw, just look at what happened in Cyprus. they will never change.
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>>540532291
>the Ancient Greeks believed that one in 300 Greeks was a traitor
Casual numbers, we revisioned that for even more honour, in our 1955 anti-colonial struggle we had 1 fighter for every 1000 traitors and still forced the empire to capitulate.
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>>540528879
It’s the natural rise and fall of a people.
T. Oswald Spengler
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Greek philosophy is a bunch of utt3r garbage.

The jewish law is the best. Including rhe part where men can have extramarital sex.

Yes, that is part of the bible. And yes, that is the way society should be.

It's not "hypocrisy", just the esrly christians were a bunch of homosexuals.

Men and women are built differently



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