Socialists believe that the means of production should be nationally owned or owned by the workers. What exactly is wrong with that? Private ownership of capital means that instead of all of the revenue from production going to the workers, most of it goes to private shareholders who don't didn't contribute any of the work into making the product
>>540560580shareholders buy risk....
>>540560580And what makes you think I care about what socialists believes?
I should be able to afford to have 2 beers and aplate of hotwings at my favorite bar every day.
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>>540560580Because it means niggers, foreign entites and plants get to own it too. National Socialism or bust.
>>540560580>1pbtid>Socialism is communismNigger
>>540560580>what is wrong with taking from the people who work hard to create means of production and giving it to rich dishonest politicians to controlhmm
>>540560580nothing stopping you so called workers from purchasing most any "means of production" and then owning it...are you too lazy to save up or something?
>>540560580No they believe that all property should be owned by the (((government))) which will be controlled by Jews. Jews believe they are destined to own everything on earth and have the goyim as slaves. The Talmud prophecies state that this will occur when their messiah arrives. Christianity denies this, which is why they hate Jesus and Christians so much. >The Jewish people taken collectively will themselves be their Messiah. Its reign over the Universe will be achieved by the unification of the other human races, the abolition of frontiers and monarchies, which are the bulwark of particularism, and the establishment of a Universal Republic which will recognize everywhere the rights of citizens to the Jews. >In this new organization of Humanity, the sons of Israel, spread from now on over the whole surface of the globe, all of the same race and of the same traditional formation without, however, forming a distinct nationality, will become without opposition the leading element everywhere, especially if they succeed in imposing on the working masses the stable leadership of some of their number. >The governments of the Nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass effortlessly into Israelite hands, thanks to the victory of the proletariat. Individual property can then be abolished by the rulers of the Judaic race who will administer the public fortune everywhere. In this way the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the Times of the Messiah have come, the Jews will hold under their keys the property of all the peoples of the world. > Baruch Lévy, in a letter to Karl Marx. https://craighutchinson.substack.com/p/the-secret-origins-of-bolshevism https://archive.is/wV8ayJesus wasn’t a modern day Talmudic kike.
>>540561830private property is inherently evil, exploitative and needs to be abolished. This is non-negotiable.
>>540561912>private property is inherently evil, exploitative and needs to be abolished. This is non-negotiable.You're gonna end up in a mass grave.
Seems like socialists should fight for strong borders and immigration first, along with fighting for national Industry. Mass Immigration being a capitalist decision. Or are they waiting for industry to be gone and have infinite immigrants as say the DSA desires.
>>540561830>No they believe that all property should be owned by the (((government))) which will be controlled by Jews.Unlike the corporate landscape, which isn't owned or controlled by Jews at all, right?Anyone who still buys this private/public divide as serious and meaningful should lurk another five years.
>>540561642I can't buy the means of production when I am barely living paycheck to paycheck because my boss is stealing my surplus labor
>>540560580>shareholdersAre the owners. They're the ones risking the money. you don't know where that money came from. Maybe an investor worked his whole life to build up some savings to invest. Maybe he inherited it. either way, it's none of your business.
>>540560580Socialists nowhere mention nation, but state. You probably can't tell the difference since you conflate them and certainly haven't read any socialists other than those on twitter. And no, national socialism didn't advocate for workers owning anything but their work, the emphasis was in the nation, be it the state, corporations or individuals. Italian fascism was more socialist in that sense (“All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing agaisnt the state”), at least rhetorically.
>>540560580The important part is when the taxes are used in a good wayI wouldn't mind paying 50% of taxes if it was used in a good way. Scandinavian countries have 30% taxes and its work well.But most countries are corrupted so its why socialism dosent really work.You need a high trust society for that
