why is there no footage of viruses? all we have is photos and "renders"I'm not sure something that looks and behaves like this is real or alive. Textbooks taught us there are 3 requirements to be called "alive" you must reproduce, and some others weren't met. But it feels kind of like a life form, doesn't it?
>>540575899Video footage of viruses actually does exist, but it is rare and looks very different from normal video because viruses are smaller than the wavelengths of visible light. To capture traditional video, an object must reflect light, but viruses are between 20 to 400 nanometers in size, which is smaller than the smallest wavelength of visible light. Light simply bends right around them without bouncing back. To see them move, scientists use High-Speed Atomic Force Microscopy, which physically "feels" the virus surface with a microscopic needle, or fluorescent tagging, which attaches glowing molecules to track their path. Standard electron microscopes can only capture static photos because the intense vacuum and radiation instantly kill and freeze live samples.Your intuition is correct that viruses feel like a life form, but the scientific consensus is that viruses are not alive. They sit on a razor-thin border between chemistry and biology. While they exhibit lifelike behaviors inside a host, they fail the core textbook requirements of life. They have no metabolism, meaning they cannot generate or use energy, and they do not eat, breathe, or produce waste. They cannot reproduce independently and must hijack a living cell's machinery to make copies of themselves. Furthermore, they lack a cellular structure, consisting only of a strand of genetic material wrapped in a protein coat. Outside of a cell, a virus is completely inert, behaving more like an autonomous biological machine than a living creature.
They are just very small indians
No they are fakeAs in totally made up not realUsed by intelligence services as blame for other thingsThis is babby level knowledge here
>>540575899>>540576022is this one of those "Everybody on 4chan is a kook don't listen to anything they say, especially about the jews" thread?
>>540575953aren't they actually robotic pieces of secret alien nanotechnology? i heard that was a secret deleted plot point from metal gear solid.
>>540575953
>>540575899Yes they are jewish lies, everyone of us on /pol/ knows thisYou arent an outsider or a jew are you?!?!!So stop believing in ((((viruses)))
>>540575899>But it feels kind of like a life form, doesn't it?It has no metabolism. It doesn't need fuel to fight against chemical equilibrium.
>>540576910yes but bears hibernate through literally nature and snow forces
>>540576004kek
>>540577019It's 0 kg, because you have reset the scale after putting the jar with the flies on it.
>>540575953>smaller than the wavelengths of visible light>High-Speed Atomic Force Microscopy>physically "feels" the virus surface with a microscopic needleat least make your robot-generated shit post believable you fucking faggot.
>>540575899Don't know. I'm inclined to think they're real. The covid era "X doesn't exist" stuff is tiresome. None of these people build a proper case.
nigger
>>540578201manlytear's chicken drums
Stupid nigger mutts can use satellites, fibre internet, heavily processed food, dna modified plants and still question scientific facts. It is AMAZING
>>540577019they survive it by gorging themselves beforehand
>>540575899the one you post is engineered
>>5405770191 kg
>>540578632holy shit
>>540578632Oxygen at 30% of Earth's atmosphere would be fatal to humans.
>>540575899They're small.
>>540575899Well mostly because we can't do electron microscopy in real time. Also all these renders and graphics tend to be the idealized geometrically perfect structures these viruses strive for but they never actually look that robotic, they're full of imperfections. They look very much biological.Nature doesn't functional not perfect.
>>540577019when they poop the scale reading goes up
>>540579321so how is that thing not alive it has a head and feet and legs or whatever
>>540578201the captcha that no one could get past
>>540579520I don't even consider insects to be alive but biological robots. You only start being alive with actually big physical bodies until then you're nothing more then a preprogrammed robot.I took care of Chickens my entire life. Chickens are not alive.
>>540578632What about bacteria, is that just a type of fungus in your lore? Why would it be easier to mine with humans than with bacteria and other simpler life forms?
>>540579615So big bugs are alive? What about big wet bugs from the sea? Midgets and children aren't technically alive or what size counts as a "big physical body"?
Is your dignity real? There is no footage of it.
>>540575899get your meds retard. or no, fuck it. just shoot yourself.
>>540579654LOL name one bacteria you know that can put in the time a man can do in a real mine and get the same results
>>540579834But bacteria alone wasn't my suggestion, you should probably finish reading a sentence before criticizing it.
>>540575899As someone who's into microscopy I'll let you know. They're simply too small to see with visible light, it's impossible. I can look down to less than a micron and it's still nowhere near enough. With light microscopy maximum resolution dry is 400x (maybe 600x), and 1000x with an oil objective. Anything higher than those are snake oil where you're just blowing up the image with your eyepiece to be even higher but not increasing resolution (similar to digital zoom). An electron microscope is like 1,000,000x and it STILL struggles to see viruses. They're that small.An electron microscope can see a virus but not when it's alive (yes viruses are alive eat me). Every image you see of an electron microscope is of something that's dead.
When the body is a computer, the virus is a usb dongle (with a virus on it).
>>540575953Nah viruses are alive, they're just a separate tree of life. The definition of "alive" is wrong.
>>540577019The flies don’t have gravity yet.
>>540576319virology is the kookery anon. look up the trial verdict for this guy and tell me where in the text they address his objections.
>>540579713To be alive you need to transition from preprogrammed responses to actual deduction and reasoning. An ostrich is not alive. For example it will literally pull out it's head if it's stuck it's a common sight on farms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=803QkGG8FfEChildren aren't alive until about age 3~5 The big body thing was more my generalization. As most above mouse/rat things with that body size posses deduction and reasoning. But some don't like Chickens or Ostriches.
>>540580089To back up my microscopy here's a bacteria with visible flagella I took. A virus would be smaller than one of the pixels making this image up. Much smaller.
>>540580248Rats are incredibly intelligent, more so than dogs even.
>>540580484Again generalization. Crows beat mice too, and are comically more intelligent then say pigeons that are again robotic and not alive.
>>540580089Viruses are as alive as a key fitting into a lock, interact with a gorillon particles all the time and you wouldnt call it alive, its chemistry
>>540580258just pull out the feed from the microscope on a big screen and use another microscope to zoom in on said screen, jeez it's not complicated
>>540580248>To be alive you need to transition from preprogrammed responses to actual deduction and reasoning.Like how tiny little ants circumnavigated the glob and invented architecture, antibiotics, and agriculture millions of years before humans even existed?
>>540575899you can take extremely detailed pictures of viruses using cryo-em and get high res 3D too
>>540581119Must be why your image to prove your point was extremely nothing.
>>540575953>viruses are smaller than the wavelengths of visible light.normies cant comprehend thisviruses and bacteria have been at war for billions of years, every ml of seawater has millions of them, every day about half of all bacteria in the ocean die from viruses
>>5405770191kg the flies dont add any weight as their flying
>>540580248Life is overrated. When you see these chuds responding to chemotaxins you realise a bunch of shit you care about is fake and pointless
>>540581255nigger AI can produce these structures now not as understanding them, you can prompt them into existence thats how simple they are
>>540581795Ok, so you have devolved into claiming you can take detailed pictures of the things being discussed using specific scientific apparatus to saying that you could only use AI to generate arbitrary images based on incomplete descriptions of things you have never actually taken a video of instead?
>>540575899Viruses are sort of between alive and dead.They are just packets of genetic code (RNA and DNA) to inject into your cells that make it reproduce more viruses. It has no cells of it's own. It is fascinating and makes you wonder about it's originsYou can call them biological entities>>540575953>AI postingShameful>because viruses are smaller than the wavelengths of visible lightThat's true for most viruses but there are viruses that are bigger, like up to 1500nm
>>540582284no you dont need AI to produce the images lmao we could do that long before AI what im saying is that AI can create the biological sequences that encode structures which can then be physically synthesized to a virus that can attach to bacteria in the real world u no wat im saayin
>>540582705Even with AI at your disposal, you can't seem to produce a viable video, let alone being able to do so "long before AI".
>>540575899No. Never get vaccinated and be sure to meet & shake hands with as many people as possible , every day.
>>540582829yeah no one has caught them with a gopro yet swimming around and surf at nano scales ill personally make sure you get the nobel prize if you do
>>540575953They sound more like parasites.
>>540583389they are parasites but they are not alive, its just a structure, they are very very old and not only fits at some places but also injects code that then make the host produce more of them like a zip file
>>540583048So now you need me to buy you a a gopro before you can do it and were just straight up lying when mentioned some nonsense about having detailed high res 3D pictures >>540581119?
>>540575953The scientific consensus on this has always pissed me off, it is so arbitrary to disqualify outsourcing of specific cell functions when the overwhelming majority of all life outsources some aspects of their cell functions. "Life" just being anything with an internal D/RNA code for production of itself would make so much more sense.
Ever notice how most right wing discourse is them not understanding something because they are retarded?
>>540583740But a virus can't reproduce itself with its own internal R/DNA, its needs a host's R/DNA to do that.
>>540575899>and some othersLol Dunning Kruger at work
>>540583863So? It has just optimised the reproduction process by finding some retard host to do it for it, because using something else's energy is an evolutionary advantage. There are viruses which carry D/RNA for production of replicative enzymes, or metabolic enzymes, they just have no reason to bother with the whole translation pathway themselves since they are going to kill the host cell anyway.
>>540583530they literally manufacture the chip youre posting this from at nanometer scales, i never hear some go oh yeah?? show me batman go there and record it with a phone with the mooovie of the transistors sending these electronic balls ah shieet
>>540583961>So?So it doesn't conform to your definition of having what it needs to reproduce internally.>because using something else's energy is an evolutionary advantage. So computers are life since they use human hosts to reproduce and evolve?
>>540583975So now not only can you not produce videos, but they are about as real as batman?
>>540575899>why is there no footage of viruses?they're so small they're actually invisible
>>540575953Please someone tell me this user is making shit up. This can't possibly be the current sCiEnCe position. I mean I knew the current science position is entirely based on "trust us bro" Jew evidence but that's too much
>>540584248>So it doesn't conform to your definition of having what it needs to reproduce internally.Ah, I see you misunderstanding. It needs to have the information to result in the production of more copies of itself, not to have the information to fully produce more copies of itself. Ie. if you stick [thing] in its ideal environment and get more [thing] because of its genetic code, it is alive. A virus does this, it just has a very specific ideal environment, but most endoparasitic bacteria and organelles mitochondria also require the same specific ideal environment to reproduce, so the precedent is there.
>>540575953lol this is like the GNU/linux pasta but for electron microscopes and virology
>>540579321How do viruses smell like?
>>540584248Viruses don't reproduce. They replicate.
>>540584288They are so small theyre literally invisible to our eyes, which rely on visible light. Theyre so far below our natural scale that getting detailed images of them in the way we can see them requires techniques like electron microscopy, where the process itself can damage the sample and im thinking of smoking pot again hm
>>540584478>Durps don't [x], dey [synonym for x]
>>540575899no they're not real, now go french kiss a homeless junkie and fuck them unprotected
>>540575899They maybe exist , but they do not cause any disease, your body produces them as a byproduct of getting rid of toxins and pathogens. But parasites, bacteria, poisons and pathogens along with radiation can make you run and beg the pharmajew for his concoctions.
>>540577983Polio was ddt poisoning The plague was wells being poisoned
>>540575899is coffee good for you?
>>540579615Chickens might not be sentient but they are living things.
>>540588987Yes. When you drink one cup of black coffee into your mouth hole it is good.
>>540575899>Textbooks taught us there are 3 requirements to be called "alive" you must reproduceGuess you aren't alive either then you fucken nerd.
>>540575899>are viruses real?no, but nano machines are real, and they clamp down onto your nervous system and send packets of genetic information to your brain, which will then start to change the way your brain and body function, making you "sick". modern medicine and vaccines work the same way.I also made this all up.
>>5405770191.5 kg due to thrust?
>>540575899Viruses and germs are not real
>>540575899This faggot said "footage" like "roll tape!" Yes there are actual real optical images of them you total faggot retard
>>540589188>memeflag opinionYou the parasite mang
>>540588783This is quite plausible.If the flu is caused by a virus then why is it seasonal and why does not everyone get sick even when in close quarters with someone who is.
>>540589115viruses are nano sized lil machines the whole point of the discussion tho
I won't spoon feed you OP but there's a wealth of information on the origin of Viruses in this one article on Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
>>540589346They’re virulent because they readily exchange genes with each other to avoid antigen detection. The flu is primarily a pig virus but it can exchange genes with bird flu and others to become more virulent season to season. Also you can be infected and not show symptoms. Or the mode of transmission can miss you. It’s not like CSL is releasing sickness spells every quarter to keep their income statement frothy.
A meme is virulent does it think is it a tulpa
>>540577983The case is that the argument for the existence of viruses isn't a proper case.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/523397816/
>>540589559I hold onto the multiple virus theory, not one monophyletic group but a general category of proto-life and perhaps also degenerated life that became infectious as they are as a way of avoiding genetic extinction. Oddly enough though some viruses exist in complete symbiosis with Parasitic Wasp venom to rewrite host DNA.
>>540575953>a whole lot of text>no video included>no sources>just kabbalah nonsense larpershut the fuck up
>>540584325It's some kind of pseudo-authoritative chatgpt copypasta purposely made as the first post. I think the post is wrong.
>>540589819Holy hell you guys have zero fkn media literacy. I wasted my time reading that dog shit. The substack research was actually good but it is NOT an argument against viruses de novo.
>>540589841I find the current taxonomy useful to the extent that similar viruses have similar features and those can be exploited against them. I fully accept the validity of your view - we have very little understanding of the mRNA world which viruses probably predate.
>>540590370Errant Plasmids... That explains the DNA Virus. RNA Viruses are likely the very ingredients of life which rely on us to continue. I only know this because I got an A in Biology and I used to be a massive hypochondriac.
>>540590523Say what you will about the UK but your a level sciences are pretty goated
>>540590647I didn't take biology as a career path, I'm in hospitality at a voluntary level if you can believe that!
>>540575953too much explainey, viruses are fake then
>>540575899>file name Kek
>>540575953Based fellow microbiologist
>>540575899yes, but they aren't alive and we still don't really know how they came to be. since they require cells to replicate and spread the DNA/RNA in them, it's a "chicken or egg" question in science.
>>540592406I think errant plasmids/RNA building blocks is what they are. Media are always lying about the origins of a particular strain, usually when there's malfeasance involved.
>>540592477The answer is they are eggs, either primordially so or as a result of being laid by a chicken but never became one.
>>540575899No, they're not real and cancer is caused by parasites
>>540575953This is what midwit Dunning Krueger public education looks like. If you need to post a wallet text you just regurgitating rote memorization like a chat bot. You should be able to summarize your point in a few sentences.
>>540575953Imagine believing this stupid shit
>>540593131Viruses aren't real and thus ALL vaccines are a scam.
>>540593078Cancer can be caused by an huge multitude of things including parasites. It's cellular error in multicellular organisms. Some viruses can cause cancer.
>>540581523Metal
>>540593168Correct
>>540593177No it's just parasites.
>>540593222You do know Cankers in Plants are basically Plant Cancers which are often caused by Viruses/Bacteria.
>>540575953>viruses are smaller than the wavelengths of visible lightNothing is that small microscopic stuff its all fake bullshit
>>540584248I can’t tell if you are elaborately trolling or straight up retarded and lack the ability to critically think. If it’s neither, you really should get into method acting
>>540593202Most people are NPCs tho and deserve depopulation
>>540593298So they're caused by parasites
>>540593522Well yes if you include viruses and certain bacteria under the parasite umbrella absolutely.
>>540593131Imagine being so cucked you worship a dead Jew and let reddit brainwash you into not believing in things you can see yourself
>>540590243Yeah, I'll take the L for that comment.I'm not convinced (all) viruses don't exist to the point I want to be around people with bad flu symptoms, mainly because the Hershey-Chase experiment is pretty direct and solid evidence of transmission by a viral agent (though not the intended purpose) and could easily be verified today by comparing the phages used to infect the bacteria and to resulting phages via sequencing.Serial passage experiments show the existence of an infectious agent, but doesn't reveal what exactly it is.
>>540576319Cool it with the anti semitism.
>>540592477they look like little space ships
>>540575899you americans are such fucking low iq trash,how minimal developed must be your brain to think that viruses dosent exist. i fucking hate your people with everything i have to offer.
>>540594138Imagine being so cucked you think a fictional character is a dead jew
>>540575953>>540575899
>>540575953This is out of date information from probably 20 years agoThe fact is the definition of life is not really good enough anymore and has already changed multiple times since I left school.We have since found bacteria that behaves like viruses, but we can't just say it's not alive because we have defined bacteria to be a life form.
>>540583817yeah, epstein is behind the right wing, that's why maxwell's father staged interviews where he "innocently" asked by communism had overwhelming support in the countries of the eastern bloc. it's also why epstein himself in an interview presented a communist-like critique of the concept of money.
>>540575899Viruses are extremely weird. They are the most abundant biological entities in existence. They are not really "alive" per se, but they do reproduce obviously. So, we still don't really understand why they exist. They are essentially code injection parasites who replicate their code by infecting host cells and overriding DNA/RNA transcription. To me, things like viruses and the fine tuning problem are the biggest indicators that this reality is a constructed simulation with it's underlying framework existing in a different dimension. Think of an instance of Skyrim or something. If you were to somehow give the Skyrim NPC's consciousness, they would exist within their own dimension, but their dimensions existence is entirely dependent on your computer staying plugged into your wall outlet. No matter how much time passes or how intelligent the conscious NPC's become, it would be impossible for them to discover this, since the context for its existence does not exist in their simulation. Viruses are likely a complex manifestation of a code injection algorithm that operates on a subtle level to "nudge" life and evolution along a "planned" path. >>540575899
>>540594942Calm down, jurgen, post some videos of viruses doing virus things if those exist.
>>540575899>why is there no footage of viruses?Because they're too small to be captured by light microscopy. The only way you can get an electron micrograph of a tissue sample is to fix it and stain it with a heavy metal like osmium.
>>540583817Ever notice how the left can’t meme and you’ll never be a woman tranny kill yourself?
>>540583975>they’re real>just like batmanThe joke writes itself
>>540589270Are they as real as the “photographs” of earth from outer space?Are they also photoshooped because they have to be?
>>540575899yes/noyes "viruses" are real, but not in the way that you've been told."viruses" are tiny machines that corrupt the body through a set frequency.this frequency is dependent on the form the virus makes.kind of like a 3d shape leaves a print where it falls, a virus takes the shape that resembles the frequency it releases.this frequency works to break down the cell, and from that breakdown, the cells themselves manifest the illness tied to the virus.think a mexican person blasting their cholo music through a heavy speaker, compared to a negroe blasting their gangster music through a heavy speaker.both cause damage to the ears, but the type of damage is dependent on the type of bass, drums, and other accompanying melody.the end result is damaged eardrums and a lingering repetition of the song in your brain.now you'can't stop hearing cholo/negro/alt music wherever you go, you can't hear well and only ever hear that type of music.congrats you are infected by the virus.that's how it worksits all frequencies, the key to beating the virus is to have an internal frequency that counteracts the rest AND restores the body to its healthy baseline.for that, you have to have a clean mind, no degeneracy, no desires for evil, not self destructive lusts.clean mind = healthy bodyunclean mind = unhealthy body (prime real estate for infection)this is why the jews, masons, catholics, pagans, etc, all promote degeneracy and vices, they know that those are the paths to weakening and destroying your body, mind and soul, its a bonus if you embrace them and consider them your passion.
>>540579615>I took care of Chickens my entire life. Chickens are not alive.i've taken care of chickens, dogs, cats, cows, sheep and goats.they are alive, and sentient.maybe your chickens saw you as a predator and never showed you their true nature, my animals have always shown themselves as living sentient and thinking beings.
>>540579520>white women when they see a dog.
>>540575953Bullshit. I have a clear video of a virus that you can see with your eyes.
>>540578632That pic needs more parasites
>>540590197It looks like the virus size/visible light thing actually checks out. What the fuck. It really is Jewish nonsense
