is it a coincidence that every first world capitalist nation is resorting to unlimited brown slave labor immigration to lower wages and therefore manage costs? if you oppose the browning of society, how can you support capitalism?>muh central bankingevery first world capitalist nation is resorting to central banking etc.?
>>540586437Deomcrats vote fir open borders to bring in slave labor.
>>540586437Most of our brownoids don't even work you retardIt's a race war transcending class
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>>540586501Trump advocates for more immigration
>>540586537do you understand proportionality? imagine you're rich and own a factory. you need cheap brown laborers. you lobby a politician for 1 million browns. 250k of them get jobs. 500 of them get a job at your factory. your profit per employee goes up drastically because they work for slave wages. maybe your taxes go up 10% over 10 years to cover for immigrant gibs. are you still coming out ahead?>>540586501rekikelicans and niggercrats both love slave labor immigrants.
>>540586542We're not doing communism no matter how much you spam little boy. I'm sorry you had shitty parents that didn't teach you anything.
This gets at a point about how liberalism views the market as this unstoppable, God-like force. Because on the surface it does not sound entirely implausible that any given capitalist or business owner could go>You know, I might be able to make more profit by importing lots of cheap foreign labor, but I would rather forgo that in the interest of supporting my people / preserving the nation's ethnic character / etc.But the counterpoint to that is that if you don't take advantage of that, then some other less scrupulous company will because it's economically rational, so if it's going to happen anyway it might as well be you. This is a large contributor to why the system as a whole behaves so sociopathically without requiring that every given actor in it (or even a majority of them) personally be a bloodless demon; it's an emergent property of free market capitalism itself that if the market incentivizes something, someone WILL eventually take advantage of it, so it's only a question of who gets to profit from it rather than whether it happens. In order to prevent it you need to have a state that explicitly subordinates the interests of capital to something else, but liberalism refuses to do so because its fixation on individualism and personal liberty both deemphasizes caring about collective interests in this way and delegitimizes restricting the economic freedom of individuals to serve some other goal
>>540587519game theorists call it the prisoner's dilemma.
>>540586501This
>>540586437There's nothing wrong with exploiting shitskin labor. The problem in the West is that you give them the same rights as citizens
Every capitalist nation always always relied on importing impoverished labor. They just ran out of white labor they could import. And for hundreds of years capitalists doing this always posed as friends of the local working class to fight against immigrants. The only way to counter it is unity between local and migrant labor against capitalistsCentral banking has zero to do with Marxism. Marx said a socialized bank that gives interest-free loans to the working class, not a privatized bank that prints money and loans it at interest to the government
>>540588881yet another thing that communists do better. pic related: chinese mine manager whipping a nigger into submission (in his own country, no less.)
>>540586609Wouldn't really work here because 'slave wages' are heavily regulated and besides with those numbers and our social security, additional taxes will be far more than 10%, think 40% of 50%, more than enough to cancel any benefits from lower wagesThe cheap labor argument simply fails in nanny state EuropeWanna try again?
>>540586501Republicans vote for the same thing because their jewish slave manual tells them to.
>>540588968>additional taxes will be far more than 10%, think 40% of 50%,what is the highest level of education you've completed? i feel like i'm talking to a manual laborer -- you can't even follow along with basic arithmetic.
>>540586653>We're not doing shit for workers, that's gay, we're working for globalists in other countries and boomer 401KsUm hello? Based department?
>>540588926That's a commie chink. Western commies love niggers and faggots.
>>540591033westerners are retarded and politically incoherent, yes.
Historically capitalism meant colonizing other countries though. So basically the opposite of today. The shift in policy seems to be tied to the big neoliberal trade pacts that were signed after the Soviet Union fell. In fact almost all modern troubles, including mass immigration, mounting debt, inflation, outsourcing, China's rise....etc. all links back to this particular moment. What we're doing now is trying to re-litigate what happened back then. So it's not capitalism that's the problem, it's these big international treaties and pacts we're dealing with.
>>540586437just bring up how well China is doing and Capitalists seethe
>>540586437Capitalism cannot survive without immigration. During the industrial revolution immigrants were brought into towns from rural areas to work, then when that wasn't enough the Capitalists created Feminism to bring women into the workd place and grow the Labour pool, then when that wasn't enough the era of mass migration began. That's where we are now.
>>540591278So communists are not bringing rural people into the cities then? Or making women work?
>>540586437late stage capitalism and communism are identical statecorp jew system with a monopoly on everything only midwits dont know this
>>540591473>has never heard of 'down to the countryside movement' or read about xi's backgroundREAD A FUCKING BOOK.
>>540586437This is literally the entire history of the west summarize in 1 sentence.>God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
>>540591502It's not "capitalism" this is state level policy. Sure some business leader will always lobby for his interests, but the policy is set at a level above them, by the WTO and shit. Industrialization is something that happened, which is distinctly separate from capitalism. You can have a capitalist market without industrialization, urbanization. Those are state-level policy choices. Communist governments do them as well. If this was a strategy game like civilization, capitalism would be a doctrine, and urbanization would be a policy choice. They're on separate interfaces. The modern immigration stuff is all linked to the big international agreements signed after the Soviet Union breakup. George Bush gave his famous "New World Order" speech, this globalized liberal order is what he was talking about. Wonder why nations across the board tend to have declining populations? You think it's a "natural consequence of capitalism"? Or do you think this is more like a big international policy choice that the bigwigs made through international agreements?
>>540591136I don't think they're retarded, they just love niggers and faggots. Very important aspects of communism.
>>540591816how many non-enslaved niggers are in north vietnam, china, USSR, etc? you aren't retaining any of what we're discussing.
>>540591887Asian communism isn't real communism.Real communism includes niggers and faggots.
>>540592170>Real communism includes niggers and faggots.is that why stalin recriminalized homosexuality in 1934? there weren't many blacks in the USSR so it's not worth generalizing their treatment, although there is an CIApedia article about "racism in the soviet union" so it undoubtedly occurred in some instances.
>>540592299>is that why stalin recriminalized homosexuality in 1934? there weren't many blacks in the USSR so it's not worth generalizing their treatment, although there is an CIApedia article about "racism in the soviet union" so it undoubtedly occurred in some instancesBecause it wasn't real communism you dumbass.
>>540592621low IQ tell: thinking only in black-and-white, unable to analyze reality as it has occurred. "real capitalism" and "real communism" and "real socialism" are nonsensical labels, incapable of existing outside the confines of an academic's lecture hall.
>>540592735Read a book dumbass.
>>540586501the democrats have been owned by wall st for decades. obama's cabinet was a who's who of the wall st collapse leading up to his electiongeorge soros is a capitalistgates is a capitalistthe republicans are mostly representing industrialists, while democrats are finance capital mostly, as well as self interested unions who want economic rent and a labour aristocracy
>>540587519if you simply made it illegal to employ illegals, it would stop overnight. but the employers are the ones lobbying the legislators for amnesty, looser borders, etc. the individualism and personal liberty has always really been about hedonism. only ideologies and societies which focus on the collective survive long term. amish and mennonites have a basically communistic social structure, yet are highly successful in business and make some of the best products out there. this has to be partly due to their spiritual outlook, which is based on the new testament. the book of acts says that christians are supposed to own everything communally, so they do it. equality is enforced through a taboo against ostentation and ornamentation, with most men and women wearing uniforms of sorts. all their houses and barns are the same colour too. they also take great precautions against social contamination. to this end they allow each male to go out of the commune for a while to experience the "world", as they call it. they have to actively choose to remain in that lifestyle, knowing the alternative. https://youtu.be/AsTB0HnM6WMyou also saw a lot of immigrants in canada doing similar things. portugese would all come and live in one house, then go build houses for the rest of the family in incremental fashion. a guatemalan i talked to said that in his country, people start off with small houses, but build additions for their families as they increase in size. multigenerational homes are common in many cultures. you even see this a lot in videos from foreign countries, people will be helping each other with things all the time, like two people carrying something holding onto each side. here, people would try to do it alone almost every time, or seek a machine to help them. asking for help at all is taboo, and is seen as weakness. even the masons came to dominate the world through their system of mutual aid and gatekeeping of institutions.
>>540586501That's a feature of capitalism, not a bug.>>540586653Oh, nevermind. You're just a retard.
>>540586437how is it slave labor if they are risking life and limb to come here? if they'd rather be here than where they came from and came to me voluntarily and then work for someone they can leave at any time, this is not slavery. this is a brown retard who wants to give me cheaper produce
>>540588968almost all of your defence contractors are making a killing from this, we've been over this. look up migrant industrial complex. the crisis creates demand for border militarization, and they come and fill this new demand.housing and feeding them costs money, and private companies are getting paid hand over fist for this.
>>540586437The economy is a cancer. It has metastasized.
>>540592621>it wasn't real communismno true scotsman
>>540586437>first world capitalistNo such thing since 60's. Unless you see socialist countries with vast welfare programs as capitalists. But then you are just a fucking retard.The more socialist one contry became the more migrants who just siphon money it took in. Look at Sweden, Germany and EU.Yet here we are with retarded brainwashed idiots like OP who think that more socialism will fix the fucking problem it created in the first place and that migrants living on welfare is capitalism's fault. How fucking stupid can you commies be?
>>540586437Communism forces equality under the state. Those aren't invaders! They're workers flocking to glorious Communism! That is why they are fleeing their failed communist states!
>>540595426>lobbying the legislatorsWell if yu have legislators you can lobby to do your biding then you do not have free capitalistic market. Adam smith already talked about lobbying being anticapitalistic in Wealth of Nations. But most of you cannot read on preschool level so I doubt any of you read it.
>>540591502something in its death throws and final stages is as bad as something from its beginning? furthermore, people dont starve under capitalism, they starve under communism
>>540594771Yes, we need actual leftists like the ones promising to "abolish ICE" in order to curb immigration
>>540586437The Rothschilds funded both the Jewish monopoly in capitalist nations, as well as funded Communist revolutions, beginning with Russia.Both lead to the same outcome: Jews owning everything.Take your fake "there's only two paths to choose from, goy" bullshit, and fuck off, faggot.
>>540586437>if you oppose the browning of society, how can you support capitalism?You cain't. Jewtube larpers support open borders even though that undermines the working class they claim to represent.
>>540586437>unlimited brown slave labor immigrationHave you ever held a job?
>>540596137>the working class they claim to represent.What do you do for work and what time are you heading out to your job today?
>>540586437Pol nazis are little more than govement simps hoping that the fascist oligarchs will spare them. But they wont. You're niggers to the rich same as blacks. Useful idiots and nothing more
>>540595917smith never advocated for capitalism, the word hadn't been coined yet. he argued for a market free from rent seeking and collusion between government and business. this would necessitate more government, more oversight, and more rules about what the business class can and cannot do. this involved significant curtailment of corporate freedoms and powers. it was about keeping businessmen in their place.and this is like the 10th time in the last 30 days you've responded to me with a non sequitur complaint involving me not bringing up adam smith's point of view. it's like you have some sort of tic disorder.>>540596071yes, the left wing has been entirely subverted by finance capital intereststhese policies directly cause depression of wages and lowered working conditions.
>>540595849It's the fallacy of Utopia and the belief all sacrifices are necessary to achieve Utopia.If 1 million people die to achieve Communism that is good to the Communist. They are acceptable loses!You see the perfect Communist society is JUST OVER THAT HILL and if 1 million people need to die then so be it! The issue is after they mount the hill there is another hill and another and another. Until the revolution cannot be sustained. When it fails it "Wasn't Real Communism". The actual issue with Communism and Fascism for that matter is that they are impractical systems. It has never been tried because it doesn't fucking work.Fascist and Communist inevitably become the dogmatic religious they mock and persecute. The problems of their system are never the system they try to put in place it is always an abstract enemy with no true form. Much like the Christian Devil the Communist demonize the Land Owner, The Capitalist, the Sympathizers. However unlike the Christian Devil who is a Spirit the Communist turns other men into demons that must be struck down and defeated.Communism and Fascism are a carrot on a stick promising heaven on earth. It is the most evil and inhumane belief system ever created. It reduces men down to statistics and numbers and if it deems millions of dead as necessary to climb the hill of progress it will gleefully pull the trigger.Communism and Fascism are a Religion. A worldly hedonistic religion that seeks to turn men into idols of worship.
Denounce multiculturalism op.
>>540586501In their faggot leftie boomer theories they can bring in infinite amount of browns because they will then hopefully join the unions and be their brown soldiers against evil corporations lol. I wonder why Bezos has kind of the same idea but the other way around, where people who share nothing with each other and at best tolerate each other will be even less likely to achieve this result.
>>540591175And fascism is colonization turned inward.
adam smith hated landlords, btwsome ai rundown on adam smith and landlords>Adam Smith viewed landlords as the most problematic of the three economic classes, characterizing them as passive rent-seekers who contribute nothing to production. >In The Wealth of Nations, Smith famously wrote that "landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed," arguing that once land became private property, landlords demanded rent even for the land's "natural produce" without having performed any labor or invested any capital. He described their revenue as unique because it "costs them neither labour nor care," arriving independently of any plan or project of their own. This "indolence," Smith argued, often rendered landlords "not only ignorant, but incapable of that application of mind" required for economic progress. >Smith explicitly defined rent as a "monopoly price." He stated that rent is "not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land... but to what the farmer can afford to give." Unlike profits or wages, which are determined by costs and competition, rent is determined solely by the tenant's ability to pay, allowing landlords to extract wealth simply by controlling a finite resource. He noted that landlords often raised rents when tenants made improvements to the land, effectively punishing productivity. >>540596602meanwhile your government sends your soldiers overseas to commit mass slaughter for corporate profits. they flood the streets with drugs, jack up your rents, everyone's degree means shit all and they work for uber eats. your health care system spends more per patient than any country, and has the worst results. your corps sell you poison, then the cure.you'll die with a gun in one hand, a flag in the other, and a burger in your mouth at 53
>>540596602While you rightly criticize the horrific human costs of utopian experiments, your argument overlooks how your own preferred system of market capitalism can be just as dogmatic, elitist, and blind to suffering. It operates on its own rigid ideology that reduces human beings to corporate statistics, labor costs, and profit margins. Just as you accuse communists of chasing a mirage over the hill, capitalism pursues a dogmatic, endless cycle of economic growth that relies on systemic inequality and economic exploitation to function. Millions of people suffer and die globally from preventable poverty, lack of healthcare, and starvation simply because survival is treated as a market commodity rather than a human right, making the system quietly complicit in the very same cold calculus of human sacrifice you condemn.
>>540591813>policy is set at a level above them,You are really naive if you think there is someone above capitalists and "budiness leaders". The career of a politician depends enterily on them. They control everything.The falling birthrates are related to individualism and hedonism, all promoted by capitalist propaganda (buy now! Consume!) wageslavery (people don't have time, women at workforce) desillusion and more access contraceptive methods.
>>540586537>Most of our brownoids don't even workHow would you NEETs know for sure? I've seen lot of them working here, lot of professional jeets in my city now.
>>540596891Based Adam Smith. Especially since so much is tied to property stocks, we've added an extra layer of finance industry greed to make everything more expensive.
>>540596308yes, i make $160k a year and indirectly manage two offshore shitskins who live in india, in addition to white onshore workers. how much do you make a year? are you also a senior manager at the corporate headquarters of a very large publicly traded company?
>>540597165You did the thing I accused you of. I never claimed to be a capitalist nor did I ever sing the praised of Capitalism. But you Demonized and other me as a Capitalist standing in the way of your progress.You chant your religious words of power at me but they have no power here. You can shout the names of your idols and saints I won't hear them.
>>540596891>meanwhileMeanwhile doesn't change what I said about the brutal failings of Fascism and Communism you religious zealot! Begone and go back to your master tit you welp!
>every first world capitalist nation is resorting to central banking etc.?yeah good points good pointsvery thought provokingand very discussion
>>540597478To this point, a growing, ever profitable, finance industry can only create "inflation".
>>540597668>how much do you make a year? 120K>are you also a senior manager at the corporate headquarters of a very large publicly traded company?No. I'm a personal hygiene assistant for a very famous e-celebrity.
>>540596525>smith never advocated for capitalism, the word hadn't been coined yetAnd? He did advocate for less regulations and more market freedoms (i.e. that guilds do not control everyone's ability to work in industry controled by guild or that nobility and clergy do not keep people as slaves) and for people to own their own CAPITAL, and be free (famous "a slave is a bad worker" is Smith's) even serfs, so they can pursue enterpeuership and business you fucking illiterate twat who cannot understand semantics. No wonder you love communism because only fucking idiots who cannot understand what they read love it.
>>540596349The point is the employer can't criticize anyone else's character at all besides his own if the standard for employment is literally being an indentured slave. We are forced into communist conclusions when the expectation is that the ruling class can continue to fuck babies in the asshole and undermine our ability to acquire the basic things of life.
>>540597910if i had to guess, the truth is closer to $60k/yr and manual labor.
>>540597779the system for which you advocate actually has those problems for real. you are doing the same thing with communism, using it as an object of fear and a pejorative instead of rationally analyzing it. your characterization of communists sending millions to their deaths to advance their cause is directly mirrored in the approach which your government takes. the things i said illustrated this. without mass misery and slaughter your entire society, and mine, would collapse. you are railing against hypotheticals, while you are living the actualized reality. millions of people around the world have to live shit lives, so that you can float niggers around on aircraft carriers they set on fire.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s28SKy-nMPo?feature=sharethe us government actively undermines every country it can in its own self interest. and sometimes the object of fear is real. the capitalist class was viewed with disdain to skepticism in rome, and the wealthy were forced to take on the care of cities, and use their own wealth to do so. no property tax, the citizens and plebs and slaves didn't have to pay anything. they would be responsible for everything that municipalities do today, and were overseen by the emperor. this kept the population happy, the streets clean, fewer diseases, and the wealthy had a check on their power.and yugoslvia was a very productive place that worked really well, the whole war in the 90s was about the uk and us having dominance in manufacturing. their ships were so good that the koch brothers bought their tankers from them, despite their public libertarian image.
>>540599449Post some pics of your office at the corporate headquarters with timestamp.>>540598628>the standard for employment is literally being an indentured slave.Can you give us a few examples of this happening to you?
>>540598033check>that guilds do not control everyone's ability to work in industry controled by guildi'm agains this too. one of my pet peeves. marx called them a labour aristocracy.you spend a lot of time stuffing words into my mouth, then getting angry about the the things you imagine i think.i don't advocate for slavery either. at least not the same kind you're thinking of. criminals have uses.
capitalism is just eh ability to own things, thats what you are opposing you braindead shiteating faggot retard. give me all your possessions and kys or stfu.
>>540599925i work from home and live 6 hours away from the office which i've visited exactly once in 5 years.
>>540597668>a senior manager at the corporate headquarters>>540601112>i work from homePost some pics of your home office with timestamp.
>>540599925>Can you give us a few examples of this happening to you?One example is ironically the local beaners themselves winning a lawsuit against a fruit company that hired foreign labor from some part of Asia, I forget where. You just know employers are fucking up when the already cheap beaner is regurgitating the same rhetoric and talking points as white trash mountain hill billies. Turk merger is a rael thing. The spics themselves are testament to that when they get a taste of how it feels to be economically undermined.
>>540601384I see, so you've never actually held a job yourself and you're just making shit up based on what you see on social media.
>>540601849You are just strawmaning
