I was wondering if some anon could provide an effortpost or two about the situation in Iran and the strategic goals of its existence.As an outsider looking in I'm very tempted to just chalk it up to it being another Israeli war but just short of doing that I thought I may as well make a thread on here for people to discuss.
>>540590045yeah nah mate what the fuckin hell ya on about ya flamin galah ya rock up like a stunned mullet askin for an effortpost on the iran shemozzle when any true blue with half a brain and a cold tinny knows the whole stoush is just the yanks and the chosen ones playin another round of whos got the bigger bunker buster while the mullahs sit there like sunburnt cane toads waitin for the next round of sanctions to fuck their oil money sideways ya want the actual angle its the same old root as always keep the energy market twitchy so the petro dollars keep flowin and the arms dealers can flog another crate of toys and if some poor bastard in tehran cops a missile up the date then so be it fair suck of the sauce bottle stop askin for the deep state fanfic and go have a lie down before ya give the rest of us a migraine with ya soft cock geopolitical tourism ya absolute dropkick
Regional destabilization when it comes to energy. Notice how Ukraine has been trying to ramp up it's attack on Russian refining, basically starve countries that rely on the gulf/Russia for stablecapacity/cheap oil and gas. Eventually probably leaning towards a further bifurcation of the petrodollar.
>>540590045>strategic goalsI'll save you the time and point out there are none. It has been a right wing wet dream to depose the theocracy since it took root. Over the decades, the right wing got high on its own supply. Trump, not realizing this, was also high on his own supply of being the freak exception to humanity and politics, and after Venezuela he felt invincible. This was Israel's war, but Trump also absorbed decades of neocon fan fiction and it took no effort to talk him into this.The strategic aim would have to be one of the following:a) Regime change, or;b) Devestation of Iran to weaken it ("mowing the lawn");c) and/or a quick political victory for the US by a show of force.Anything said about Iran not being allowed to have a nuke falls under c, or potentially b, but without outright regime change it would never be sustainable.The question about strategy is loaded, because it implies critical thought was given into how any of these things would happen. We are seeing that was clearly not the case, and any sort of strategic planning that the US had done for half a century was divorced from the current administration's decision making.
>>540590045javascript:quote('540584254');They're not trying to win vs Iran, but to clock up the global hub for energy and goods. The US itself may suffer from this, but as long as everyone else is suffering more, the gap will grow.The idea is that if they can keep this going for another 5 years, then they will have enough comparative advantage to remain ahead for another decade after. This would then be the early 2040s, which is both the expected moment for the general singularity, but also the time when China's demography will lead to Japnese style stagnation.Picrel shows the current tension areas, which is the 3 main choke points in the Middle East plus as of late the Strait of Gibraltar. There's 3 additional circles with questionmark for Panama and Singapore/Malaysia/Indonesia.While Panama appears to be brought under control (Venezuela, Cuba & forced Chinese de-investment), we might soon have something like a "Sumatra Crisis" popping up in the news. At least this would make sense when your interest is to clog up the global supply lines.
>>540590045Oil. Same as ever
>>540590045There wasn't one. Trump doesn't care about politics. Rubio already let it slip that Israel was going to bomb them anyway so they joined in. That's it.
>>540590045It wasn't supposed to last more than a few days. They fucked up. That's the only explanation for this long drawn-out thing they're doing.
>>540590045Israel was asking to attack Iran for decades and for decades the military planners responded with why this is not feasible at the time. The current POTUS caving in and enjoying the consequences of it is basically a litmus test for the US politics or rather the degradation of it.
>>540590045>what is the actual angle for the Iran war?the plan was to topple the regime with the fake'n'gay CIA protests in January. But since that plan failed miserably, America is now just launching all of its ATACMs at random targets to inconvenience Iran out of spite.
>>540590045>the situation in Iran and the strategic goals of its existenceits really nonsensical bullshit.ask twenty people this question, and youll get a myriad of answers depending on how smart and online they are.My take, this is all just great power politics posturing, as stated by Prof Mearsheimer. As Putin said openly, american presidents can have many different opinions about things, but the deep state is the one actually in charge. And the deep state (jews) continues the war. Why? We cant know for certain, but we can see the facts.Trump is draining americans for every cent he can with every sort of scam possible.Israel is getting their talons deeper and deeper into the government, making it more entrenched than ever before, especially with the new defense act.
>>540590693>copies question into AI>gets wrong answerif thats a genuine effort post also kys
>>540590045cmon mate defense contractors gotta eat too
>>540590045Apply occams razor. To make sure america numba one and the rest not. If you apply detail it just muddies the water. Iran is a complex case too, or so it seems. What was achieved by the coup is Venezuela? It's hard to judge for me. The signs are not obvious. With iran there might be things at play which are not obvious either. What is obvious: choaking chinas progress, not letting the middle east unify into a independent union, israel is a puppet and greater israel is a meme, making sure the world uses dollar for trade, making sure the EU does not rise anymore. On top of my head those are the obvious ones. Really it just comes down to the fact that USA is playing the game against everyone. There are no allies, only vassals, tools and fools.
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>>540592291Refute a single point.
It's very hard to have a discussion about an ongoing conflict, imbalance between strength of opinion and actual knowledge. Plus if you know anything about Iran, have any connections, now there's an illegal war you are deemed a national security threat. Imagine if you were a second generation Iranian living in the US. And the Jews are above the law in the US and above international law, they really can do whatever they want.
>>540590045Wars usually have several reasons. Some are considerations which are brought in to support the war, sort of as an added bonus.Assume all actors think they will meet most if not all of their goals.Now consider the benefits of the war to the USA. Ranked, imo, from most important to least.1) Directly threatens China.2) Places severe economic pressure on China3) Corner the global oil market4) Provides a useful distraction from domestic issues5) Supports the MIC.For Israel.1) Useful distraction while they continue cleaning up Gaza2) Neutralizes the greatest threat to their goal of creating Greater Israel3) Israel would benefit from becoming an oil pipeline terminus of any puppet Iranian governmentThe fact that the US has fucked up the prosecution of war means most of the above goals will not be met. However the prime objective of threatening China still remains active, as does too the useful distraction. So you can still consider it a partial win for them, regardless of the outcome.For Iran the situation essentially consists of sitting it out. Propaganda wise its a huge win for them. As to the internal situation, that's anyone's guess given their decentralized command system, but my money would be on it improving their stability and successfully quashing dissent.Iran practices proxy war, by sheer necessity rather than choice. This current war will most likely see a surge in offensive proxy operations by Iran. Especially if they emerge from this with a tax on gulf traffic. Quite honestly I cant say I blame them.
>>540590045Part of it is to run cover while Israel seeks to take territory in Lebanon like they did with Golan Heights.
>>540590045>As an outsider looking in I'm very tempted to just chalk it up to it being another Israeli warWell, do you remember the guy that scammed the only dude with the power to make the actual decision while everyone else thought it was a bad idea and it wouldn't work as the scam said it would?
kill off as many white males as possible for greater israel
>>540590045Sarah Paine Norsk presentation, though she doesn't get into the why just the how
>>540593260>1) Directly threatens China.>2) Places severe economic pressure on ChinaThese arguments lose weight when you consider where China gets its energy supplies, how much it depends on oil relative to other countries, and the fact that oil is a global market.>3) Corner the global oil marketBefore the war started, what would this look like? The US intended to seize control of Hormuz itself?
>>540590045There are three phases to authoritarian regime change.Phase 1: Decades of economic erosion, forcing the regime into survival mode.Phase 2: Catalytic shock, such as a costly war or the death of leadership.Phase 3: Sudden disintegration, the breaking point that usually involves a violent overthrow a few years after the shock phase.
>>540590045It's a war for Israel. Anything else is an afterthought.
The timing of Netanyahu's white house visits suggests to me her personally convinced Trump to go for it and that it would be a quick and easy excursion
>>540590045The Rothschilds want China to take over as the world superpower because innovation has reached its peak and now control is more important than having a free society that encourages innovation. The purpose of the Iran war is to weaken the US military enough that China can take Taiwan.
>>540594282>The LaLiLuLeLo want China to take over as the world superpowerfix'd because that sounds like a MetalGear plot
>>540590045The entire US strategy in the Middle East for decades has been to wage wars on behalf of Israel and oil, so obviously that's all it comes down to. The reason it hadn't happened before now is that Zionism couldn't convince a president to ignore that it's an un-winnable war, until Trump (who was high on his win in Venezuela and actually believed them when they said it'd be over in 2 days)
>>540593932https://youtu.be/hjtlOd2lbWUShe's still very much a neolib type. I think her assessment of the situation is accurate in any case.
Some things that bear mentioning:Iran and Turkey have comparably sized armies, isreals army is only 150,000, a sixth of the size. So in many ways NATO arming Turkey, obliges China to help modernise Iranian forces. And when elite Iranian troops fight, they beat isreali forces, they beat US regular forces, the modern part of Iran's army is incredibly dangerous being very much like an SS force. Isreal has spent 50 years carrying out terror and espionage against the Arab states, to frustrate their modernisation. Poisoning thousands of civilian scientists, bombing power plants, chemical weapons, isreal plays bare knuckle. Iran typically responds by putting domestic pressure on isreal by attacking feral Zionists. The feral Zionists aren't part of isreals military faction. The feral Zionists want to commit a genocide against Arabs so badly that they knee cap isreal and the isreali army actually doing so. And that's why gaza. It's Iran agrivating Zionists who are constantly screeching for Israel's scarce, precious, finite, life sustaining military assets to be deployed on the wrong side of isreal, against goat farmers. In the last 6 months Iran has wasted virtually all of isreals interceptor missiles, and the US has handed over so many to isreal that the gorrilion dollar US navy is now unable to respond to Chinese threats, due to their missile cruisers lacking missiles and their carrier groups being too venurable. This is why Trump is hiding in food luggage while European leaders are not.
Iranian nuclear program is the WMD, political narrative, to explain the more complex issue of strategic weapons. During the cold war Russia and the US agreed to destroy most of their strategic weapons and never-under-any-circumstances to give these weapons to hedgmons, like Israel, who could only use them in acts of global terror in wars they couldn't win in military terms. The cold war really did almost annihilate mankind, SALTII was a big deal. The issue isn't Iran developing nuclear warheads, Iran already has. The issue is that China might just send a few trucks full of nuclear warheads to Iran without any warning. Rather then no nukes, Iran could very well have 40 Chinese origin nukes just sitting in hard storage. That threat forces isreal to call in ask their favours for SAM, not offensive weapons. So full circle. But during the Iran iraq war the CIA decided to give both sides 1000 tons of advanced chemical weapons. One of the big three things SALTII banned. I don't know if this is a conspiracy, widely known, universally accepted, i was just there so I saw it. Everyone in Iran knows Saddam bombed them, and Kurdish towns, with a thousand tons of chemical weapons Iraq couldn't produce. The significance of this is that isreal, Iran, a dozen other states all expect chemical attack on civilian centres. The nature of strategic arms is kind of like this... easy to build, hard to deploy. The US has to directly police the airspace over the whole middle east to prevent any gulf state crashing a commercial air liner full of people/sarin into some other gulf state, or trying to land a nuclear weapon directly onto another gulf states airports, or sail one into each other's oil ports. Like Beirut. The attack on Beirut had far reaching consequences because if the Arabs didn't trust the US to stop isreal carrying out national level terror attacks, everyone would have to attack isreal even if the entire US military was right there.... which Iran did.
>>540590045Kikes seethe over the most powerful nation in the region, since they also have the intellectual ability to challenge Israel.
