how is russian production so much higher? they're supposedly suffering greatly
I don't understand why no country has a substitute for Patriots. Even Russia and China don't lmao. They used them for shooting down scuds intensively in the gulf war 30+ years ago ffs.
>>540595471That's what the Führer asked Mannerheim. kek
>>540595384Who gives a shit
>>540595471
>>540595551Sometimes I think most people are retarded.
>>540595471Are you kidding me? They can't even fill up their gas pumps.
>>540595512Russia has S-300, S-400.
>>540595384globalism has failed, capitalists. it's gg
>>540595551KEK
>>540595757I know that Ozil. I said "substitute for Patriots" though didn't I?
Oh no! Anyways...
>>540595384Just like his master Vladimir Putin ordered. Benjamin Netanyahu just gave him the opportunity to follow orders.
>>540595384but why Russia just not fly in for a proper dogfight hunting the remaining f-16? Complete Russian superiority means the end the war, and Ukraine.
>>540596598air superiority over the whole Ukraine*
>>540595512I don’t understand how do you even go to war with Russia without being able to produce air defence.
>>540596945it's not a war, it's a special military operation
>>540595471I have no idea how trannies think it is, but Russian military spendings so far have mostly been not loans or reallocation of budget, but spending reserves. And since most resources are local, those spendings are staying in the economy after the initial release.
>>540595384>TRUMP DOOMED UKRAINEby giving them so much of our munitions that we are basically out of them now?go fuck yourself.
Is it that hard for Ukraine to go after the missile production sites? (with European intel/weapons)Some stuff is coming from Iran and NK I assume so obbiously they can't hit it all, but I assume missile production plants are very flammable.
It's baffling that the EU cucks put all of their defend at the hands of the USThanks Germany! Thanks Poland! Thanks UK!
>>540595384All for israel. >>540595512>don't understand why no country has a substitute for Patriots. Even Russia and China don't lmao. They used them for shooting down scuds intensively in the gulf war 30+ years ago ffs.Israel supposedly has domestic interceptors (paid for with US taxes btw). The real problem, (and partly why other countries dont pursue them) is interceptors are a losing strategy. They might *MIGHT* work against very dumb SCUDs and slow cruise missiles, drones and aircraft, but they are Hella Expensive. And any potential adversary can just build and launch more salvos than you have interceptors. Israel is the exception because they see propaganda value in having something like the Iron Dome, and they've got the blank check to make it a reality. No other country has the same need or means. But even still, despite being layered with Patriots, THAADs, SM-6's, and David's Slings and Arrows, Israel still got got in the recent unpleasantness.
>>540597953Patriots are for intercepting ballistic missiles, not drones. You should know this.
>>540595512Israel doesn't use it since arrow is more advanced. Israel develops everything for lazy US fatasses who take credit, pathetic shithole country that gets dominated by Iran.
>>540595551gottem
>>540598191>angry roach noises
When is Europe triggering a revolution in Russia? What the fuck have they been doing all these years other than a few gibs and thoughts and prayers??
>>540595384They did fine before any aid arrived, the only way they'll be doomed if they completely sell out to mutts which they already did in large part
>>540596598Manpads exist. A single patriot missike and you lose a plane.
>>540595384all according to keikaku
doomed? more like DOMED!!! KWAHOHOLBITCHBOOM! HEADSHOT!
>>540598455Yes, that is probably what stops it. But now they launch FABs just directly at the boarder, before it was from much larger distance within Russia.
>>540595552Imagine being so based that you trick 1 nation of untermensch into invading another nation of untermensch and then pretending that you care about either side.The Ukraine war must continue, for the good of Europa.
>>540597953the simple solution here would be to start bombing the civilian population, in the cities
I stopped following this gay fucking war, it seemed like the war might finally change once Ukraine began their deep strikes until Trump gave all the interceptors to Israel and Russia does the same back, Ukraine retaliates, repeat. What a complete waste of European lives, the life of a Russian won't improve after this war, much less a Ukrainian, all for nothing.
>>540598866>I stopped following this gay fucking warYou're next lol
>>540598866> the life of a Russian won't improve after this warwhy not, imagine sanctions lifted, reparations payed, reduced military expenses, i would call it a big potential improvement
>>540597424>the armchair private strikes againBack to boot camp. You know nothing t. Jon Snow
>>540598866you just think about the outcome that is only desired by EU, the frozen conflict. But to achieve such best case scenario EU will beed to send Poland into the meat grinder, and still no guarantees they will be able to freeze something as it is and postpone their inevitable loss.
>>540595384No one cares buddy, this is MIGA country. I will scream if you give Ukraine one dollar but 500 billion for Israel's wars is our Christian duty.
>>540599023>payed
>>540595551>Führer asked Mannerheimhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk
>>540596401at least you acknowledge the inferiority of the mutt missile grift
>>540598448Aid was already arriving in 2021. You seem confused.
>>540595384Well the eu could get their ass in gear and stop taking care of the elderly parasites in their countries and build some damn missiles. Their gdp is almost 10 times that of russia, btw.
>>540595384Patriots cannot hit Russian (or anyone's) missiles.
>>540598448they had full soviet ww3 stash, retard. Plus they were pumped with NATO weapons since 2014. They lost everything.
>>540601490well maybe 30% they sold on the black market though
>>540601490in fact this soviet stash is why all europe wanted Ukraine to get into a fight, they didn’t like the idea of Ukraine having any weapons they can not remotely control
>>540595384BOLLAND POLAND BOLANDNEXTPO POLAND BOLANDPOLAND'S NEXT PO-BOLAND POLAND'S NEXT
>>540595384>TRUMP DOOMED UKRAINESo, he's against the Jews now?Your messaging is sending conflicting signals.
>>540595757Wait why doesn't USA just buy a bunch of s-300, s-400 systems and send those to the gulf states and ukraine?Obviously russia wouldn't directly sell them but there's several ex-soviet states and russian allies could part with them, we already bought many of the soviet aircraft frames second hand and sent them back to ukraine before.
>>540595384China should invade Taiwan this is the time
>>540595384Cool, no one cares. Ukraine is just Russia anyway.
>>540598866white european lives have been considered worthless war fodder for over a century now my man, this isn't going to change anytime soon
>>540598448The hohol army has been build up by NATO since 2014 it’s NATO in all but name very thinly veiled at that.
>>540599023>Through the expenditure of billions of USD equivalent, hundreds of thousands of submissive biomass liquidated, and the destruction of political/economic ties with the west, Russia has obtained... pre-war levels of prosperity.If you can't see how this is not a good deal then you're stupid.
>>540595384Ukraine doomed themselves, the proles were getting uppity and after the west got them all high on the fake euromaidan. Never trust people offering you freedom because it's never in your interest, freedom is taken by your own hand.
>>540601448Paper doesn’t makes real things magically come out of the ether
>>540595512Something something complex systems will not survive the competency crisis.
>>540602145Thanks for that btw >NATO is to keep the Russians out the germans down and the americans inI for one can’t wait for the death of the petrodollar
>>540597378You’re litteraly give billions to Israel every year. You cuck
>>540602248When the petrodollar dies, the cryptodollar rises. You think shit is bad now, just wait.
>>540595384I voted for this. You lost, trannyivs.
>>540601960Why? Just by assisting Russia and Iran, they have depleted US munition stockpile, rendering US threat and security guarantee in East Asia worthless.
>>540599023There won’t be a single soldier left in Russia at this rate, pidor. Stop believing you’ll winEven if you did :You’ll still have fuckton of corruption Niggers, churkas and now Indians, I don’t see how can the life of the average improve from this
>>540597241A correct understanding of MV=PQ. There's definitely outflow in the form of buying chips and such from China but they've also been buying more Russian energy so that's a wash or better.
>>540601913Could always buy and re-sell Chineese export ones, but Xi would probably also not sell them.Doesn't Brazil or South Africa produce some AA?
>>540595551euro-centrism. The crazy thing is that Russians are north European but due to a small amount of geographical and ethnic difference, they are seen as sub-human.
>>540601448> gdpyeah our gdp of management consultants is a 10x that over Uralstahl that chunks out 20 tanks a day
>>540595384LELELELELELELEELELELELELELELELEL
>>540602410I’am invested in it
>>540602410It’s a CIRCLE some might say.
>>540595384People used to shit on a Patriot because if you left it on too long it stopped working
>>540598191>DIE FOR ISRAEL ALREADY AMERIGOYIMno i don't think I will shlomo
>>540603013>>540603068>I got mine so it's okayKek, you sound like the boomers /pol/ hates.
>>540603272Why have all this information and doing nothing with it? Atleast with money you can actually help people.
>>540595384These are the same European countries that are weaning themselves off of the US to accelerate their own defense industries?Forty years later and they still haven't developed an equivalent to the Patriot. I see many try to compare it to SAMP/T, which has even lower production rate.
>>540597773We buying weapons around the world, stop crying that we don't get your nigger crap.
>>540595471Russia has decades of stockpiles, make dozens a month, and supposedly got 120 ballistic missiles from North Korea.It seems they only launch one or two dozen a week.
>>540603492Doesn't matter, tons of boomers have helped people but it doesn't stop their spawn from damning their entire generation. Gen A are gonna blame their shit livelihoods on Gen X and Millennials, the same way boomers were blanket blamed, then they'll be talking about how to end the cryptodollar.
>>540603689>we buy shit from mutts for premium prices and no delivery dates (likely in dozens of years)Fixed it for you.
>>540602302>You’re litteraly give billions to Israel every year. You cuckAsk new zealand to forgive you.because I won't.
>>540595471>>540595551>>540599562Kek
>>540595471How do people believe the news and Ukrainian mod. I don't get it
>>540601913NATO only started sending Patriots when they started running out of S300/BUK stocks. Its been a pattern throughout the war. NATO weapon systems were only sent on the Ukraine where WP equivalent was either nonexistent or the stocks were depleted.As for Gulf states, obviously you want to give them shit they are used to.
>>540598866>What a complete waste of European livesSo a pretty normal European war. People mock the British empire for mostly fighting spear chucking natives. But those are the only sorts of wars that are unambiguously advantageous for at least one party. Peer vs peer wars always come down to who lost less.
>>540595384Erm, maybe euros should have invented their own interceptors?
>>540604011The “crypto dollar” is not what you think it is at all, it will be programmable tokens with a shelf life for the plebs. What you can spend them on. Where your credits work etc. u vill own nothing
>>540605729>he thinks I'm talking about the digital fiat itself and not the infrastructure surrounding itYou're definitely NGMI.
>>540595512>They used them for shooting down scuds intensively in the gulf war 30+ years ago ffs.Patriots were fired at scuds in the gulf war 30+ years ago, yes. None of them actually hit their target.
>>540595757Why haven't those helped in Russia or even Syria and Venezuela?
>>540605881
>>540606580What happens when a specific brand of crypto undergoes revaluation against a state-sponsored CBDC? It loses value, a CBDC is inevitable if crypto becomes the norm. This is why you would invest in the infrastructure around any one of them because it's more than likely going to be used to shore up an eventual CBDC, it's just the more stable investment.
>>540595471>how come russia can produce cheap drones faster than anyone else can produce high tech interceptor missiles to catch the cheap ass dronesbrown people cannot solve this riddle
>TRUMP DOOMED UKRAINE I voted for this.
>>540595552Make the Russian kissing a Koran while also standing next to a Chabad rabbi to be more accurate
>>540595471>>540603819>>540607246Both Russia and Ukraine are buying drone tech from China.
>>540595384>>540595471do not believe these russian lies. ukraine supplies has never been higher and is so high that extra weapons are being sold back to europeans. ukraine has only lost 300 casualties the entire war, all due to training accidents. meanwhile russia has lost 20 million men and many millions more russian soldiers have surrendered peacefully. the preparations are made and ukraine is finally in perfect position launch its great final offensive to win the war after grinding russia down the previous years. azov batallion it will be in moscow within 2 weeks marching to cheers from liberated russian people
>>540595384Why is it up to the Americans to save the Ukraine
>>540595471They're still depleting the Soviet-era reserves in Russia, China, and North Korea.
no thing would change if interceptors were never invented.you can't conquer a country with missiles.this is all just whining from people who want to wage war with total impunity instead of near total impunity, and for some reason america has to pay for it.
>>540604644Patriot missiles were.in the first US aid package in 2022 faggot>https://www.forcesnews.com/ukraine/full-list-us-military-equipment-sent-ukraine
also you can't have a "shortage" of perfect scifi missile defense because it doesn't exist, not even in israel. the "shortage" has only crept into the overton window in the last few weeks because the MIC smells a cash cow. you're all falling for it.
>>540597953Israel and Ukraine are the same country run by the same people, dumbass. Some of us saw right through this Esau's gambit from the very beginning.
>>540595384Sounds like they should have listened and negotiated in earnest then.
>>540608845Also Biden started shipping weapons systems to Ukraine the minute he got in office >Since the beginning of the President Biden administration at the start of 2021, the US has sent more than $36.4bn in military aid to Ukraine.
>>540598191I know as a fact that some parts for the Arrow-3 are manufactured in the U.S. by Mexican citizens (without American citizenship) working in border factories. The real question is, how much of our prison labor is building parts for Israeli weapons?
>>540595384Russia had to import 100 cruise missiles and 50k troops, i don't think he's got much left in him
>>540598702child trafficking and organ harvesting needs a base outside of israelthey'll go to any lengths to make it happen
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>>540595551>>540595630>Sometimes I think most people are retarded.This. In WW2 Russia was being fed by the US/UK. By the end of the war, when Russian production restarted hard, Russian air fleet was still one quarter US/UK-made.
>>540595471Soviets went big with ground based air defense instead of fighters (mostly). Ukraine was probably getting theirs from russia.
>>540595384Ukraine doomed ukraine in march 2022
>>540609041
>>540595551jej
Stupid thread title. Nope to that. Putin is desperate to have something to save face. He has a stockpile of one shot nork missiles and some russian ones but a lot of what he has been firing are interceptors, he is loading up Russias interceptors with high ex and using them as weapons. Non of these weapons are accurate and non of it is strategically significant. They will kill civilians but murdering bystanders isn’t strategic.He is like Hitler at the end of WW2 with his V2’s. Ukraine with european help will build it’s own interceptors and will continue shutting Russia down. The banks stopped buying Russian bonds yesterday. Countries in Russias position are not funded by tax they are funded by banks in the form of bonds which they pay back later from taxes. The banks have said>nyetno more konry for putin to waste. There are a lot of smelly cretin Poo’s, microscopic penis backwards chinks and similar jewsing for the assiatic dictatorships here now. They are the new trannies.
>>540609120Was that when the peace plan was proposed, and Russia was cool with it, but BoJo rejected it?
>>540602050>The hohol army has been build up by NATO since 2014 it’s NATO in all but name very thinly veiled at that.Right... except for the 1000+ latest generation fighters that have never been in Ukraine, all the other fighters (eg American F22), all the frigates, all the subs, all the most important longest range missiles, etc, oh and of course all the infantry (Poland 100-200k, France 100-200k, and let's not even bring the US into this...). Yeah, besides all that, Mother Russia is fighting all of NATO.(I hope you're Russian because that kind of shilling from a Dutch would be embarrassing.)
>>540595471ukraine is western proxy vs russia is the only serious respectable slav country with its own production
Patriots don't even work desu, Ukraine just wants them in order to tell their soldiers and citizens that they will be safe so they can keep this going on as long as possible.
So we’ll expect this big win in about 3 days then, Poo’s?
>>540596598>proper dogfight huntingI don't think this is a thing that a smart country does in a war anymore. Fighter jets seem to be mostly neutralized, the nation that has them either tries to use them and has them blown up, or holds them back from where they could get blown up rendering them useless.
>>540595384zelensky >doesn't dress professionally when meeting with Trump at the White House>tells Trump and Vance what to do >doesn't say thank youTrump is constantly playing 4D chess. I'm convinced Trump started the war with Iran so that he could deplete the Patriot interceptors and not leave any for Zelensky. This gives Russia a new counter-offensive against Ukraine and sets up an end to the war.If only Zelensky wore a suit and said thank you...
Looks like Russia is collapsing to everyone else. Except you asiatic jews & poo. Are they winning despite all metrics then? I suppose that is why after the fake elections Russia are going to MASS CONSCRIPT all surviving Russians into the meatwave. Because… they…are …#Winning? HaHa! GOOD. You smelly beige vermin.
>>540602499Rare flag GET, what pay grade do you need before you get the New Caledonia VPN?
>>540609566The missiles don’t do shit. Nothing strategic. It’s the last cope. The V2’s.
>>540595757bc S-300/400 is shit as fuck
>>540608845>https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-may-run-out-of-air-defenses-by-may-leaked-pentagon-documents-warn-b96b0655>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-20/us-made-patriot-guided-missile-systems-arrive-in-ukraine/102245456Both depletion of WP heavy SAM stocks and patriot installation coincide with spring 2023. Bulgaria dug up some extra S300s from trash in autumn 2023, but those were only good for generating photos of destroyed commie blocks.
>>540595471Patriots are interceptors.Moscow is getting hit daily by lawnmower drones because Russia doesnt have anything to intercept them with.Hamas and Houthis etc showed us you can build rockets in your backyard to launch into a general area and explode when it lands.Building something to hit another something mid-flight is on a whole different level.
>>540595384>Europe can't afford to defend itself>Ukraine is poor and entitled>Everyone gets pissy when America asks to be reimbursed for the 200 billion it spent>LE FUCKING AMERICANS SPENDING THEIR MONEY ON THEIR OWN INTERESTS AND NOT EUROPE'S!!!!!!! >:(You really don't hate the old world enough. Maybe you fags should have held Ukraine accountable for all the shit you gave them instead of jerking your dicks to impotent drone footage of random ziggers getting pasted. Turns out, mulching the 5,000th ivan in a ditch doesn't actually reclaim territory or dislodge Russia from the land they're squatting on! Can't help but think if anyone but orange man and biden had been POTUS since 2020 the yuros might have not been such arrogant cunts and sat on their thumbs for the whole invasion only to get high off their own farts after the fronts were set in stone and sandbag negotiations to larp as wartime leaders. They want to parade around like tough guys and flaunt their "increased" military spending only to do shit like this, fuck them. They can bleed themselves dry for the same back and forth 2 miles and when it all crumbles, quietly sue for peace pretending it isn't the same deal Trump offered years ago.
>>540609041Were these the guys who were being investigated for corruption, before Zelesnky tried to strip power from the anti-corruption agency NABU?
As well as the V2 “offensive” (lol) Russia is also IMPORTING MILLIONS OF JEETS.As elite human capital you… i mean THEY… will be living inside Wildberries warehouses where they will work 70 hour weeks. As highest earners they are receiving £150 per week. Impressive isn’t it. This frees up Russians for the meat waves. Where hundreds of thousands will fall where millions have already fallen. In rural Bumfuck Nowhere, near the Russian border. Pic: no kit. no training. no benzine. not much willy. no hope. plenty of lying. :)
>>540597424Ukraine has been targeting oil refineries because they have a big economic impact, are a big target, and are flammable (wild-berry warehouses weirdly also meet those conditions)It'd be a waste of resources to target other stuff instead
Just give up the missiles youre not fighting a war, youkraine is on the frontline defending all of westard civilization and democrapcy
>>540595384Good.
>>540609765The EU will easily overtake the US as the only real superpower. It’s far richer, isn’t empty like america it is the one place in the world so rich in infrastructure and it has 4 times the population. Europe outbalances the US, UK and any made up corporate concentration camps like china all added together. Unfortunately probably. The asiatic dictatorships certainly are not a problem. You can cope and lie and pontificate until the hole in your bum heals up look out at reality. Who is stuffing Russias shit up? Ukraine. One of the most backwards outskirts not even properly in the EU. Alone despite all the kremlin narratives.
>>540609906Wrong pic.
>>540595512They called it the “peace dividend” and the “end of history”Boomers really were that delusional
Pga tour is about to get onsite missile launchers so tRump can do the tour and get himself a GREEN JACKET. Seems worth it...
>>540595471Supposedly is the key word.Propaganda.Russians will exaggerate triumphs and downplay defeat towards their citizens, and NATO does the same towards the world through news media.That's war. Nobody tells the truth during war.If you ever believed anything anyone said about the mission in Ukraine you've been a normie, a Hylic, an NPC, and a colossal subhuman retard. Or worse, Jewish.Don't mind my tone.I'm fucking done with people pretending the news is any true at any time.
>>540607736They're still manufacturing some of it too.That tech is relatively simple to manufacture, and it's still combat-effective against all the extremely fancy DEI weapons that NATO's fielding with a range dependent on their chosen pronoun for the day.I don't know how cheap it all is, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Russians could manufacture 100 effective AA missiles for every 1 Patriot.Plus, NATO's supply is strained as all fucking hell. America is deploying in Iran, in Israel, and in Ukraine.They're 1 factory supplying 3 theatres of operation. Can't be done forever, the throughput simply isn't there.Meanwhile Iran is supplied by primarily Chinese sources, and Russia takes care of itself.Plus their attacks are infinitely more precise. The Amerijews attack anything that moves, while Iran's immediate targets are oil refineries (to break the Saudi/Emirate allegiance with America) and American weather modification radar installations.Brings to mind why this year's El Niño's so much more powerful than solar patterns provided...
>>540595384Israel first means Israel first. What made you think Zion Don was gonna make an exception to Ukraine?
I'm so confused by this narrative. I thought Ukraine were standing on their own and foreign aid was only for defence? Now they're fighting in to Russia. Also I thought Russia weren't prepared for a war, and were using 60 year old pieces of equipment but they've been making steady progress for over 3 years? Are Ukraine the baddies?
>>540595384>wah you won't give us free gibs anymore ukrainians are the niggers of europe
>>540595384NO CARDSOCARDS
>>540609687Keep /k/oping
>>540609229Why was a Turk speaking for the ukraineOh
>>540598702Massive kike right here. Or shitskin goblin. Same thing really. Get the fuck out of Europe.
>>540595384Are missile interceptors that hard to manufacture even for countries with real MIC?Patriots sound like wunderwaffe considering not even European countries have their own equivalent. Don't think Korea, Japan nor Israel has any equivalent missiles too.
>>540595384>THE NATO ONES WHO START THIS WAR DOOMED UKRAINE
>>540595471I don't follow the war, but even I know that it got something to do with those glide bombs.Russia possesses a near infinite amount of Cold War-era bombs, which they have been converting by simply attaching wings and guidance systems. These cheapass glide bombs are deployed in swarms of a dozen at a time, making them incredibly costly to intercept.
>>540613509Patriots have a very low success rate, and interceptors/interception of modern ballistics is largely a meme.
>>540614609You probably just need to accept that you will be hit by missiles in any total war scenario, unless geography helps you enough but ranges have expanded to very large distances so...It just ends up becoming full economics/engineering.
