>lord of the rings ends with the hobbits returning to the shire and getting rid of all the foreigners that ruined itThe fuck did Tolkien mean by this?
He was thinking of Frenchmen who had their vineyards dug up to make trenches. Their old houses gone and rebuilt with none of the old charm. And so is that big tree in the village. But hey at least the invaders who did it are gone.
>>540650989post feet
>>540650989weren't the orcs and shit just a representation of the Germans in ww1?
>>540651428yup. he hated Germans with a passion and WW II only reinforced that
>>540651428Greenskins is metaphor for Jews
>>540651496The Germans were the dwarves, they are engineers, mercenaries for the factions of men, and greedy
>>540651428Basically, according to himElves - otherworldly creaturesHobbits - BritsDwarves - SlavsMen - FrenchOrcs - GermansHaradrim - TurksMost of this is true to this day
>>540650989He was a Christcuck and hated Germans, so he would probably be in favor of all the niggers and pakis that are flooding into England.
>>540651718The Germanic tribes constantly fought each other the some became German, the others became Norse. The Dwarves are definitely Norse/Germanic, just look at the art related to them
>>540651869>He was a Christcuck and hated GermansThis.Tolkien is shabbos goy literature.
He probably just wanted to chill in the countryside and not be bothered by televisions, telegraphs, telephones, electricity, cars, fumes, smog, factories, nukes, world wars, sex before marriage, divorce, atheism, homosexuality, and other modern
>>540652055but there are starving people in Africa
>>540650989Tolkien wanted england to have its own rich mythology because it had nothing that compared to the mythology and folklore of Germany and other countries.
>>540652274Tolkien hated Beowulf.Tolkien hated Englands "pagan" mythology.Thus he created a christcuck world with some basis of Celto-Germanic myth.
>>540650989it ends with the ring bearers going to purgatory
>>540651718Britain is German diaspora. Same as Scandinavia.
>>540652665Most germans aren't blonde and blue-eyed.
>>5406527621. remove memeflag2. there are many blonde, blue eyed Germans3. Britain and Scandinavia used to be part of Greater Germania
Tolkien was a christcuck, but if he lived until today and he saw the homonormativeness of christianity, he would renounce it
>>540652762Blondism has never been majoritarian among Germanics.>>540652862Germania does not equal Germany.Germans and Austrians, are, genetically speaking the least Germanic germanophones.
>>540652905>homonormativenessThe relationship between Frodo and Sam transpires this homonormativeness you speak about.
>>540650989very allegorical
>>540650989Saruman = Solomon = appointed leader of the Jews = two towers representative of tower of Babel / other Masonic inferences - Orcs are hordes of golem, Fellowship is Europa. Also Elves represent nords.
>>540652913Yeah it does because Germany birthed all the surrounding countries. The real Germanics come from Germany.
>>540652862>there are many blonde, blue eyed GermansOnly in the very north (Prussia). Below the Donau it's mainly brown eyes.
>>540652026Tolkien is a German name, why would he hate Germans
>>540652665>>540652862It’s impossible to argue with Pixar programming, kek
>>540650989It's crazy how Jackson turned the weakest of the novels into the best of the movies.
>>540653060False. I live near Belgium. I have blonde hair and blue eyes. So do many Bavarians.
>>540650989I'm just going to chime in for a second. Let's clear up some of the common misconceptions.As a Tolkien scholar, I don't know how you can look at the fellowship and not think diversity was important to Tolkien: an elf, a dwarf, four hobbits, a demigod-like wizard, and two humans.It's clear what the author's intents were. Placing the story in a fictional world in the first place means that Tolkien created the world for everyone and not just one ethnicity, or culture. He even created his own languages so it wouldn't be tied to real-world linguistics either.So, in conclusion, anyone who claims that LotR should only be about white people clearly hasn't read the books.
>>540653053>The real Germanics come from Germany.Factually wrong. The Germanic Urheimat is the Frisian coast from Jutland to Flanders.Most of Germany was not Germanic. At least not in the end of the Iron Age.>>540653060The Germans actually invented that their black admixture came from the Celts.
>>540653072Because he was accultured to Britain.And because any christcuck hated the Third Reich.
>>540653090>the weakest of the novelscool bait bro
>>540653117White dwarfs, white elfs, white wizards, and white hobbits are important too, gotcha.
>>540650989The foreigners were half asiatic Trotskyites. Men interbred with orcs.
>>540653090Yea except what the fuck was up with the hobbit though? That shit was pure overextended garbage not fit to be considered equal to the LOTRO trilogy.
>>540650989he meant there WILL be a shire to come home to, after all the shenanigans are said and done
>>540653105>So do many Bavarians.I'm from Bayern and I can tell you: most people there aren't blonde. Some are, maybe 10 to 20%.
>>540653347Blondism is not majoritarian in any Germanic country.
>>540653324Studio execs wanted an another trilogy.
>>540653151>The Germans actually invented that their black admixture came from the Celts.Neat, mind providing something other than your words to support such an assertion?
>>540653283The skin colors of the different folks in LotR aren't specified. Read the book.
>>540653210Hating the third reich doesn't mean you hate Germans, retard take. English language comes from German people
>>540652862Tldr you forgot your history.They are ingavones.
>>540653486>English language comes from German peopleFrom Germanic people. Not from Germans.
>>540651869I mean let's be real Germans spent a lot of time shooting guns at him I'd be pissed too
>>540651312What a fucking idiot lolYou need sacrifice if you want to be free. French retained their freedom, however new and much more inteligent ranger came and destroyed Europa
>>540653396You now remember Hobbit was supposed to be a reasonable two-parter
>>540651718You should get your posting license revoked for the shitty takes. You don't deserve the (you).
>>540653428"The Celts, if I may make a parenthetical statement, were throughout a blonde race; and it is wrong to connect, as Virchow still connects, those traces of an essentially dark-haired population which are to be seen on the more elaborate ethnographical maps of Germany, with any Celtic ancestry or with any admixture of Celtic blood: in this context, it is rather the pre-Aryan population of Germany which surges up in these districts. (The same is true substantially of the whole of Europe: in point of fact, the subject race has finally again obtained the upper hand, in complexion and the shortness of the skull, and perhaps in the intellectual and social qualities. Who can guarantee that modern democracy, still more modern anarchy, and indeed that tendency to the "Commune," the most primitive form of society, which is now common to all the Socialists in Europe, does not in its real essence signify a monstrous reversion - and that the conquering and master race - the Aryan race, is not also becoming inferior physiologically?)""
>>540653524That's your problem you stereotyping all Germans, this makes you look like low iq retard
>>540651718This is my interpretation:Arnor - Ancient RomeHobbits - BritsRohan - France / Germany / DenmarkGondor - Iberia / Italy / GreeceMordor - TurkeyHaradrim - Middle East / NafrisEasterlings - Mongols / Central Asians
>>540653577OK so when you say *black* you simply mean the jet black bluish tinted Celtic phenotypical hair, got it.
>>540652913Read any literature of antiquity Germans majority red headed with fierce grey eyes.A fact that lead the Romans to claim the inhabitants of northern pretanii were purest form of Germanic due to their massive size,red hair and large loose limbs.
>>540653670Blondism has never been majoritarian among Germanic populations.That is all I am saying.
>>540653670Can confirm. I had red hair as a child that turned darker brown. I have grey eyes. A lot of people think they’re blue or green depending on what I wear. Immigrated from Germany in the early 1800s.
>>540653713Tacitus in germania makes a point which tribes were blonde other than that he states almost uniformally red haired.
How about you first read Tolkien and then discuss his work?Cause the majority of posters itt haven't done so (or are low IQ).
>>540651349nice hobbit feet
>>540653752>6’1” 225lbsAlso big hulking barbarian body. Massive legs. Very long torso with an extra bone in my back. Very white complexion however tan with a lot of sun. I’m much stronger than most of my peers most of my life without effort. When doing mixed martial arts people would always comment of how strong I am.
>>540653853Tolkienophiles are low iq.
>>540653853I only read the Tom Bombadil chapters
>>540651428Tolkien was vehemently against this interpretation, obviously that he inspired himself from his own life and experiences but only an absolute retard would think there is any real life analogy. I mean for fuck sake the entire world is supposed to be a precursor to our own, why the fuck would he make one of the faction a placeholder for modern nationalities, if he had wanted to do so hed have just used a modern setting.
>>540651496but he was German
>>540650989My favorite part of the story is when Lobelia Sackville-Baggins gets ORC’D as Otho watches with his twitching hobbit cawk in his hands
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>>540654196Check out the new Zelda live action movie scenes, they are casting Ganon as a shitskin. Based
>>540653539>reasonableThe Hobbit is shorter than any of the trilogy books.
GREEN IS BEAUTIFUL!!! https://youtu.be/UDZ_ldUNRcY
>>540653853Was OP wrong though? imo he was not, but it goes much deeper than just immigration.That chapter is such an accurate representation of bongland in current year.I have no idea how Tolkien did it, I guess the early signs must have already been there when he was writing that chapter.>Overstaffed yet useless police force that ruthlessly enforces petty laws on it's own people but not the foreigners>Weak, traitorous ruling class>Beauty of the shire marred by ugly modern houses(just look at any 100 year old photo of pretty much any place in England and compare it to a modern day photo)>The normie hobbits who are completely psychologically unequipped to deal with what is happening to them and the dissident hobbits whom the state comes down on like a ton of bricks to quell any thoughts of rebellion.Maybe you need to be a bong to understand some parts but I think most people who live in Europe should be able to relate to it.
>>540652183Sorry, you have to speak up, he can't hear you.
>>540651718>>540653661imoRohan is Anglo-Saxon EnglandHobbits are rural English people from the early modern eraBreelanders are medieval rural English peopleDunlanders are indigenous BritonsArnor/Gondor is an amalgamation of Normans and Romans with a few other cultures mixed in thereElves are from Norse Mythology with certain parts lifted from the Anglo-Saxons, Norse and European nobilityOrcs - No idea but their mannerisms are at least partially inspired by the bong underclass, based on their physical descriptions they could be mongoloids of some sort.
>>540651618Dwarves are a weird oneThey seem incredibly jewish in some ways but are also great craftsmen which doesn't seem very jewish at all.>>540652274He was just sperging out because he didn't like the word "allegory" but LOTR contains many allegories whether he accepted it or not.
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>>540650989Specifically ORCS.That means no nigger zone, ITT that means you Russia. Get out of Ukraine or suffer the fate of the Orcs in Tolkiens work
>>540651718Orcs were Russians they always wereDwarves were a mix of german Ashkenazi and Scots
>>540651718Based
>>540658104Dwarves are what the Jews could have been if they discarded usury and weren’t allergic to working with their hands
>>540650989lord of the ring ends with the shire being destroyed and all the hobbits having been raped and killedthe main crew might get rid of the orcs but they dont bring the hobbits back to life
>>540651312>>540651428yes, germans are orcs, it's a very obvious connection when you know germany and know countries germany borders like netherlands, france, italy, switzerland, danemark, and compare them to germanygermany looked like mordor or isenguard compared to france in the 19th and 20th century
>>540661837germany in the same year:all that to declare war on european countries constantly and kill millionsalmost all european wars of the last 200 years were started or engineered by germany
>>540661967the netherlands same yeargermans= lack of culture, art, philosophy, enlightenment, = industrialisation, useless wars of aggression, millions of dead europeans, lack of beauty
>>540662036once again germany at the same period:
>>540653661Dunlendings - Celtic Mainland Europe
>>540651718>Most of this is true to this dayNigger-men then.
>>540662086isenguard: same thing as germanyno beauty, just the death of the natural order and doing all that to kill innocents for no reason in a project of pride and domination doomed to failure
>>540654926>Ganon as a shitskinAren't Gerudos shitskins?
Tolkien rejected allegory by the way. The whole Hobbits = England or Orcs = Germans is complete nonsense.
>>540662216Doesnt mean you can't psychoanalyze him
>>540661837>>540661837>>540661967>>540662036>>540662086At least you're not speaking German, right Ngubu?
>>540652525>Tolkien hated Beowulfshut the fuck up. Tolkien did not hate Beowulf; in fact, he loved it deeply and revolutionized how the world reads it. Before Tolkien's famous 1936 lecture and essay, Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics, many scholars dismissed the poem as a disjointed historical artifact weighed down by silly fairy-tale monsters.
>>540651718Elves were welsh. The elvan language is litterly 90% welsh with some finnish mixed in. Tolkien saw the mythos and ledgends of anglo saxon england destroyed by the normans. His fantasy of an anglo saxon mythology was something he created with a bunch of university friends. They were romanticists and idealist, they entered the army in ww1 and all of them died except for tolkien. Why he hated germans, but also made his lifes work completing what him and his mates had started. The welsh flag has a red dragon, this is the symbol of wales. The white dragon was the symbol of anglo saxon england. The ledgend is that the two dragons were always fighting...la la laThe point is the orgins story of the uk. Welsh britons vs anglos, the former civilization is replaced by the new younger civilzation, they fight but cooperate to fight invaders ie norse.Tolkien brought this to middle earth. The elves were the older civilization making way for the age of man. This is a constant theme in the movies. Always indecisive about wether to help man or not. Didnt really get along, but enemy of my enemy is my friend type mentality.I always assumed the dwarfs were supposed to be the irish, but i dont really know.Gandolf was supposed to be merlin, from the arthurian ledgends.
his entire book is a joketo compare the english to elves is laughablethe english are the most brutal amoral greedy people that ever existedfucking elves my ass
>>540652762kike memeflag
>>540653117kill yourself shitskin.non whites didn't exist then, they were filthy lowly wildlife on par with a chimp.write your own nigger fantasy based on nigger history in nigger writing.only problem is there is no nigger history and no nigger writing
>>540662424>At least you're not speaking German, right Ngubu?right
>>540654045Yeah you aren't allowed fantasy anymore. It always has to be some analogy of current year politics.Dankula did a good video on Tolkein
>>540650989>white men win against black orcs and goblins then dwarves die out and elves leaveRacism. Ban this book already
>>540663281good post.maybe the dwarves were scottish. gruff small stout people with beards and are tight fisted drunks.hobbits are irish, pipe smoking cartoonist layabouts
>>540650989That he was writing another take on the Arthurian Myth but much more soft and moralist than the Vulgata itself
>>540651428NoNothing was an allegory for anythingTolkien hated allegoryProjecting real world people onto Middle Earth races is something faggot uni professors do, stop it
>>540652274What Tolkien wanted and said and reality are different things. His Legendarium falls apart the moment you analyze the metaphysical structure of it. For example, the elves are born with full knowledge of Eru, the Valar, where their souls go, and what happens if they sin (the concept of sin is semitic, by the way), and yet Fëanor acts like a Viking pagan from an Icelandic saga for a bunch of gems. Because if the elves acted as they should according to Tolkien, all of them would still be in Valinor contemplating the grace of Yahve, I mean, Eru.
>>540652525>Tolkien hated Beowulflmao wutMy dude, he was considered one of the foremost scholars on Beowulf and he loved it
People don't really get Tolkien. Tolkien didnt write fantasy, he wrote ancient history.When tolkien was young he traveled the wrong and spent an entire season living with the Saami people of Northern Finland. They came to trust him and told the true history of the world from 20-10k BC, history that was never written down and only passed down through oral tradition. The stories of the Lord of the rings really did happen. Maybe a little differently due to some embellishment on tolkiens part but they were all real.
>>540664653The hobbits always played a major role in the movies and were all more or less pacifists sitting up in their ivory tower looki g down on everyone else. Like yes there is a whole other world out there but we have better food so who cares, lets all have a gay festival.The only one frodo who ever made anything of himself was suicidally despressed, and his butt buddy just very humbly went back into his life after his mordor forray as if he wasnt part of the team that saved the world from the orcs. the irish now that i think of it, a part of literally everything without doing any of the heavy lifting, then taking the moral high ground only to wallow away in self pity behind closed doors. Fuckn cringe
>>540665426the book the hobbit is literally just rewriting Wagner ringthats where he got his ideasand then he just lied about it
>>540661837kek frenchies are still seething. Nigger it's been 80 years, let it go.
>>540651428I believe he said that war turns everyone into orcs. They represent people that have been corrupted into become beings that revel in cruelty, hatred, and destruction for it's own sake . In the LOTR sequal series bored kids were starting to "play orc" by cutting down trees.
>>540665836we lost millions of smart young men and all of north america because of you, we'll be seething forever and oneday a frenchman will kill all of you just like cesar massacred the tribe that had looted rome 400 years beforewe are descendants of romans and just like our ancestors we hold grudges FOREVER, your fault for starting shit, we were just chilling enjoying our "art de vivre"
>>540666054youre not even frenchyoure a falsflagging russianjust like most of the anti hitler shills on this board
>>540650989It was the hobbits themselves who ruined it by following Saruman...
>>540666054>we are descendants of romansno you're not. You are descendants of celts that were raped, exploited and culturally subverted by Romans. Kind of pathetic desu every time I hear a frog croak all I hear are the ancient cries of your ancestors with roman cock up their rectum. No wonder your language is the most homosexual sounding on the globe bar none. I speak the language of my ancestors you still have the taste of rotten latin semen in your mouth.
>>540653481Yes they are... sometimes directly, other times through implication. Maybe you should read the fucking book.
>>540661967Serbia started WW1 thoughever o algo
>>540650989You’re reading cringe made by a Jew worshipper
>>540666098cope. We lost that much territory because you attacked us, you're mad about the versailles treaty? nah you guys are straight up dead, french people will still want you dead in 5000 years>>540666308>no you're not. You are descendants of celts that were raped, exploited and culturally subverted by Romansspeak for yourself I'm from occitania, direct descendant of cesar's legions, from towns and farms given to the legionaires, who all have roman names, I am a pure blooded roman
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>>540668017>cope. We lost that much territory because you attacked us
>>540653537>You need sacrifice if you want to be free. French retained their freedomThe French are ruled by hostile foreign interests and don't have self determination
>>540668017>I am a pure blooded romanlollmaoyour ancestors gave their daughters to roman occupiers. Yuck.
