When your country was founded on the ideas of liberalism and as a rejection of tradition. Even the so called American “right” is far-left in any sane reading of political history.
Shays' Rebellion taught the founders they needed control. So they created the Constitution as a counter revolution.Lincoln and the Reconstruction amendments remade the Constitution back into a revolutionary document.So, while I agree post Civil War, I think it was much more muddy after Independence.
>>540692110of course I canit's like being amish but for 1776
>>540692110when your country was founded it was a gold mine for the Spanish, get back to your duties.
>>540692110well thats just your faggot opinion so hey suck a dick.
>>540692288Every American is a left winger.
Left and Right is pure fantasy, any definition you can assign to such a thing switches sides every 15 years and has been for the last fifty.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Y2p6DoHdcIf a person with the suit and tie of Lucifer's Sigil, The Remphanic Necktie, and says something or other is left or something is right, basically he/she is verbally picking up a fistfull of sand and throwing it in your eyes.He's basically filibustering the conversation. He might as well be talking about wrestling and marvel superheros like andre the giant having a fist fight with aquaman. Madiston wrote about this in his first nine federalist papers, you have to slop shabis and separate their power from them, so we can print money to ensnare them into poverty, denying them the proceeds of even the work of their own hands, so that we can have infinite money.Stop using the word left and right in a serious way, these words do NOT have definitions, they are superpositions, and they cannot be used to attach an idea to, because a superposition is yes no both and neither on every topic.
>>540692313the "left wing" was invented 13 years after americain france
>>540692110Jefferson and Madison both said niggers had to be deported from the country. Those two authored the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. All of the founding documents
>>540692447we need a declaration of independence from the niggers
>>540692427And those left wingers were considered moderate centrists in the USA
>>540692179I suppose it's really hard to claim the Articles are a left-wing document too. It seems way more English in trying to escape power altogether. Hard to believe we could have gotten into a 14th amendment situation with them. Though very possible the country would have completely dissolved with nothing to hold it together.
>>540692110I would probably have a been a liberal in 1776. Being an American is a description of a group of people that have developed in this geographic area. What kind of government that rules us is for us to decide. If that government doesn't benefit us anymore, we should change it.You are right that the current constitution was founded on liberalism, but we have no obligation to follow that for the rest of time.
>>540692110english liberalism, you faggot, not that rosseau retardation
>>540692741All forms of liberalism are far left. Democracy is left wing, so is liberalism. The “rights” bullshit is also left wing
>>540692672It would take an enormous effort to reshape the American political landscape and its assumptions
>>540692844oh i get it, youre retarded
>>540692933No? It’s simple political history. All forms of liberalism are far left. Mass politics is far left.The true right rejects all of this.
>>540692661they chopped off the king's headwe went to war with them a few years lateryou are insane and will invent any fact to back up your incorrect conclusion
Currently reading Tocqueville's democracy in america. It's super comfy. I love America bros
>>540692933He doesn't even know what water is..... A bona fide lolcow.
>>540693507That’s not me. Though I saw you arguing with that retard earlier.>>540693406And you literally fought a war to separate yourselves from the aristocracy In France, the aristocracy supported the revolution.>>540693476Read the reign of quantity by Guenon
>>540692110America was founded by white nationalists for white nationalists. All of the principles that you're talking about were subordinate to the supreme ideology that governed every aspect of the republic they created: white nationalism.
>>540693476>Currently reading Tocqueville's democracy in america. It's super comfy. I love America brosHe was a French faggot who should have stayed in his own land and minded his own business
>>540692110I am all for liberalism and libertarianism.. for my fellow White Americans.Not so much for the Other.Also where do you, as a foreigner, get to lecture me about the founding of this nation? My bloodlines date back to the colonies, I have great-great(etc) grandparents that fought in it.
>>540693567>the aristocracy in france supported the american revolutioncorrecta few years later, aristocrats and loyalists formed the "right wing" of the french assemblythe "left wing" ended up winning, killing all our friends, and fighting a war with america. because we hated those radical fuckers. they were not considered "moderate centrists" by contemporary americans, we thought they were insane murderous renegades (oathbreakers) with no respect for law for institutions. we had just fought our own revolution to preserve the law and free our grand institutions from tyranny. the france-US relationship didn't recover until many decades of wars finally ended the most radical elements of the french left wing.
>>540693637It was founded by liberals for the bourgeois>>540693710Liberalism and libertarianism is for brown people. The Congo is a liberal paradise>>540693722You are historically illiterate. The Jacobin Committee of Public Safety lasted only a few years until the far right Directory seized power. >killing all our friends, and fighting a war with america. because we hated those radical fuckersThis isn’t true at all >we thought they were insane murderous renegades (oathbreakers) with no respect for law for institutions. Another made up lie. You had an alliance with France. The only reason hostilities broke out (the quasi war) was because of unpaid debts>we had just fought our own revolution to preserve the law and free our grand institutions from tyranny.Debatable. You fought to preserve bourgeois power (which at the time was far left)> france-US relationship didn't recover until many decades of wars finally ended the most radical elements of the french left wing.as I’ve already explained, you never had any problem with jacobin France. Why? Well because your own country was for many decades the prime left-wing power worldwide
>>540693567>And you literally fought a war to separate yourselves from the aristocracyIs separatism really something you'd call left-wing? The Americans had their own colonial elite that became their aristocracy. Really it was aristocracy against aristocracy.
I just want to go back to the old ways.
>>540694079No it was a battle between the bourgeois (USA) and the English aristocracy
>>540692661An incorrect oversimplification. Federalists and Anti-Federalists had pretty divergent views on the French Revolution, but regardless, the Founding Fathers invoked their ancient rights as Englishmen and God-given rights alongside ideas of the Enlightenment in the Declaration of Independence. The difference in philosophy can be seen in the way each approached religion, America adopting freedom of religion, France freedom from religion.
>>540694248Nah, I definitely disagree. The French and Indian War created a huge rift between the American colonial elite and the British elite. All the leftist gobbledygook was in the context of that rift.
>>540694319>Federalists and Anti-Federalists had pretty divergent views on the French Revolutionlol? No. https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/views-on-the-french-revolution/ both sides had a generally positive view of the revolution. This false “federalist” vs “anti-federalist” divide is a myth.> but regardless, the Founding Fathers invoked their ancient rights as Englishmen and God-given rightsThese concepts didn’t exist in “ancient” times. Instead of rights there was noblesse oblige.>alongside ideas of the Enlightenment in the Declaration of Independence.Which were all far left.>The difference in philosophy can be seen in the way each approached religion, America adopting freedom of religion, France freedom from religion.They mean the same thing, retard. The contemporary view was that severing the relationship between church and state was atheistic and materialistic. You can be as pedantic as you like, it won’t change the fact that both revolutions were atheistic although at least France reconciled with the church at the end under Napoleon.
>>540694333The American colonial elite was bourgeoise
Throne and altar. A hierarchical society based on hereditary privilege and governed in accordance with Christian laws.The founding ideology of the USA is a complete rejection of this.
>>540694580and then they weren't. and the leftist gobbledygook did end up biting them in the ass which they had to put down. a new aristocracy being created from the bourgeoise is going to probably still act pretty bourgeoise, but I think you probably could say they finally became the aristocracy with the creation of the Constitution?
>>540694636Agreed>>540694681No, they were bourgeoise. It’s the reason why George Washington is praised as being unambiguous and unassuming. Because the bourgeoise value stability over the aristocratic ideal of excellence.
>>540694796I think is becoming a pretty pointless word game at this point. But it's pretty obvious the founders were America's aristocracy and I believe they even called themselves a natural aristocracy and not hereditary privilege. Sure you might claim that in and of itself as leftism but I would disagree.
Washington's "unassuming" nature was a way of reassuring his compatriots that he wasn't another Cromwell.Many Americans were worried that what happened in England in 1650s might repeat itself there, with the leading general of the republic refusing to give up power and ruling as a dictator.(Bonaparte later did the same in France)Washington retiring to his estates and removing himself from politics was demonstrating he had no desire to become another Cromwell. (Plus he was a Virginian so would have had a particular dislike of Cromwell.)
>>540692110It was founded on Greco-Roman ideals.
>>540692110Leftists are scum. They’re the same as heroin addicts and worse because they destroy all of society, not just themselves. They legitimately think genocide is fine because it will reduce the carbon footprint.The USA has far more socialists and communists than people would like to believe. Especially amongst the youth. The vast majority of Americans under the age of 30, including those posting here, are communists and supporters of Zohran Mamdani and the Democratic Socialists of America. Communism is a resentment-based ethos that culminates in anti-heterosexual, anti-white, and anti-male sentiment in the modern day, just as in Marx’s day it was predominantly a Jewish anti-European doctrine. Nearly every American is a leftist and self-hating white, who supports illegal immigration and the destruction of white America.I don't think most white Americans, especially those who like Trump, realize how much leftists, progressives, and many liberals hate them. It's a joke to them and many of them aren't even entirely serious. It's a lot of visibly angry dumb guys yelling or laughing about things. They don't realize how much they're actually hated. They legit think they're Nazis. They fantasize about genociding Southerners after the Civil War. A lot of MIGA tards just want White leftists to be pro America and shut up. Leftists don't want the same. They want white people dead. They want their kids to suffer. They don't realize leftists are seething with hatred and they're not these little harmless dorks. They're unhinged people. It's not a joke to them. They're savages.If you’re white and reading this, just know that these people once in power will use the state to inflict suffering on you for historical grievances that you had no part in. They’re ideologically motivated psychos who hate themselves but hate you more. When the time comes they’ll simply call you a “colonizer” and have you shot. That is the word they’re already training all their feral browns on.
>>540693998>You are historically illiterate>This isn’t true at all>Another made up lieit's no coincidence that people who react to new information with kneejerk rejection end up angry ignorant retards like OP
