Premise 1: high GDP is goodPremise 2: immigrants boost GDPConclusion: we need more immigrants.Refute?
>>540728988Pretty sure he is for limited immigration too.
>>540728988slaves boost GDP tremendously, can I enslave you since it’s good? also why would I give a fuck what you think is good when you abandoned your son to go fuck whores in miami for his entire life and you celebrated the killings of the firefighter in butler pa and charlie kirk?
>>540728988Social cohesion, and the fact that your infrastructure needs to support the sudden and significant increase in services to everyone that enters the country. Controlled immigration isn’t necessarily bad; mass migration is, for multiple reasons, two of which are above. Many more reasons too
>>540728988Dig holes with spoons.
>>540728988Infinite GDP growth is a flawed heuristic of modern day economies and we need degrowth socialism.>checkmate
>>540728988Stop shilling this retarded faggot here OPKill yourself
>>540728988>Per capitaEvery niggers/Deranged leftists cryptonite.
>>540728988A country is more than an economic zone. DesTiny is a man child divorced from reality and will never have to work. The reason our countries suck is retard politicians and oligarchs started mass importing largely useless immigrants in the name of GDP instead of investing in the future of native people. You get at best a short term boost for long term ruin
>>540728988This is the penis eater?
>>540728988problem with premise 1:if asked "why", you would ground it into high GDP meaning that we get X, Y, Z, which are good. modus ponens, high GDP is good.this is faulty reasoning because for any X, Y, Z we would say are good, the relationship is at best correlative. you have to demonstrate that high GDP directly and necessarily entails X, Y, Z for all contexts. not that it's possible they arise, that they are the exact same thing, because what we want is X, Y, Z.problem with premise 2 is much the same. more immigrants don't mean higher GDP, it means more immigrants. it introduces even more uncertain conditions as to whether or not what we actually desire will be reached. if none of the immigrants actually work or generate economic activity, the GDP would nose-dive.the conclusion doesn't stand. this syllogism is unsound to the highest degree.a helpful tip: essentially no measurable phenomenon has a stable relationship to what's "good" or "bad". while there are trivial cases where you might expect a counterpoint (EG high suicide rates are bad), context still has a way of twisting things (EG high suicide rates among would-be murderers prior to their first offense is good, for as long as rehabilitation is unknown). ain't conditional existence a fucking bitch?
>>540729995This is hasan piker he sucked nick Fuentes penis
>>540728988premise 3: immigrants ruin the country
>>540728988High GDP isn't intrinsically better and he needs to go back to Cuba for being a retarded spic.
>>540728988North Korea: Low GDP/replacement birthratesSouth Korea:
who benefits from high gdp?gdp goes up every year but actual wages have been stagnant for decades, so your everyday worker in the US is not seeing much if any benefit
>>540728988Practical: Enough immigrants are hostile to the United States and undermine the country leading to lower GDP
>>540728988why is high gdp good ?Jews invented this useless metric and now every faggot throws around MUH GDPImmigrants take low skilled jobs and generate almost no revenue in taxes. They oversaturate the labor market are the main reason for wagedumping. Real estate and rents are skyrocketing because every asylum seeker needs an apartment. in 2020 our budget deficit was 200 million euros in 2026 it's 13 BILLION !There is no good point in taking in immigrants. They don't support our social system they make it even worse.
Motorcycle: low GDPTruck: High GDPboth vehicles perform the same task yet for some reason the truck matters more because someone sold it more gasoline
>>540729615Degrowth has its heart in the right place, but is retarded. Less production and consumption arise naturally and in a much larger degree through lower population numbers. Globalism artificially raised the world's population ceiling, climate change will both destroy globalism and have its own lowering effect on the ceiling on top of that. Population contraction is already looking like it's starting to set in with plummeting birth rates. We basically don't need to do anything but realize it's unironically a good thing.No "Do Not Reproduce" propaganda. No eugenics lottery program. Just do what life does, and keep adapting to changing conditions. There will be no living in the pod and eating bugs.
>>540728988>high GDP is goodNo.>immigrants boost GDPNo.
>>540728988Premise one is false, so the conclusion is false.
>>540728988GDP is a fake gay pedo-kike statistic. You literally count your rent to jewish overlords as GDP
>>540728988PER CAPITA
>>540731075Immigrants absolutely boost gdp. So do criminals and welfare recipients and basically anyone else who isn’t starving to death.
>>540728988>Premise 2: immigrants boost GDPCorrelation doesn't mean causation. GDP rises DESPITE millions of freeloaders
>>5407289881) GDP is only useful insofar as its ability to serve mankind.2) AI datacenters and robotic workforces will replace the need for immigrants.
>>540728988High wages are good Immigrants deflate wagesSo, we need fewer immigrants
>>540728988Paid to dig a hole $5Paid to fill in the hole $5I boosted GDP by $10 hur dur.
>>540728988I'd rather live in an all white low GDP country than live around indians and nigs
>>540728988>Premise 1: high GDP is goodThis has not been proven. Succesful countries where people are happy and safe were succesful because they had lots of white people living in harmony
>>540728988I would prefer a 1000 year economic dark age to niggers.
>>540728988Premise 1: TKDRefute?
>>540728988>high GDP is goodBeing "good" doesn't entail being the best.Racial homogeneity is also good.If racial homogeneity is more important than gdp then more immigrants is bad.Conversation over.
>>540731072>We basically don't need to do anything but realize it's unironically a good thing.before that happens every single organism will die from environmental degradation simply to feed the last man doritos and dildos. Its already happening. 70% of earth biomass has been killed for sterile farmland, highways, and parking lots. Anything that can be burned for a joule is incinerated
>>540728988Gdp? You mean shekels per goy?
>>5407289881. GDP Is a joke2. Immigrants wouldn't boost it even if it weren't a joke.3. Kill immigrants.
>>540731146GDP doesn't care if you are eating crayons and dicks. It just counts the numbers because big is always good for people with a time preference of 15 minutes
The faggots who claimed that had plenty of time to prove it and they've yet to prove it so I'm gonna say it's a bunch of bullshit and it refuted itself.
>>540728988As others have said, high GDP does not equate to a better quality of life. The immigrants are good for business in the sense that they depress wages, lower cost, and make us more competitive on the global market. However, that's at the cost of them taking up living space/housing/rent, medical services, english proficiency, being scabs, sending wages out of country, causing social instability, lowers overall national altruistic patriotism, and acting as a vector for alien political influences, etc.The benefits are obviously primarily for businesses at worsened cost to workers. The promises of cheaper housing/rent and lower consumer prices have not been met and in fact has worsened as market-based wages stagnate.If arguments like these aren't sufficient, let reality play out. The legitimacy of his political position has only suffered humiliation after humiliation as he turns out wrong on all predictions and analyses. Liberals like him often gaslight themselves and others about their mental gymnastics to defend their idealized liberal status quo.
>>540731646>okay you are absolutely correct, but I’m still going to act like a retardBut why?
>>540731399You're too anthropocentric and short sighted to understand the points, I think, but:>before that happens every single organism will die from environmental degradation simply to feed the last man doritos and dildosIncorrect. Many environments are going to suffer, and global biodiversity will go down, but the changes are all localized. None of it actually matters in the grand scheme of things. But now you're not even talking about climate change, so that's a moot point.>70% of earth biomass has been killed for sterile farmland, highways, and parking lotsIncoherent, contradictory, and irrelevant. The middle east once held quite a lot of biomass. Now it doesn't.Things move around, configuration changes. Nothing is ever destroyed but a specific configuration. The existence of the Amazon is completely irrelevant.Not only that, but what you think constitutes disastrous environmental destruction is really nothing compared to what a happens when the earth goes into a hot house phase.>Anything that can be burned for a joule is incineratedAnd it doesn't matter. You can try to burn it all, but you never will no matter how hard you try.This environmentalist panic is feminine hysteria. The only thing that is eternal is change. Get used to it or die clinging.
>>540728988High GDP per capita is good.Low skill immigrants reduce GDP per capita.
>>540733991Who says they are low skills?All I see is doctors and lawyers
>>540734097I did not say all immigrants are low skill. A few aren't and they should generally be welcomed.Most are though, all the "asylum seekers" need to go back, and more.
>>540728988>Hey guys some kikes found a new way to do kike shit taking advantage of what was a unintentional loophole because noone thought someone would or could be that much of a kike. Guess that means we need to become communists and allow unlimited allahtards instead of just fixing the kikes.
>>540728988Nations are more than just economic zones with culturally distinct seasoning, and people aren't interchangeable economic units, nor objects to be optimized.This position of utopianism, that man may be made perfect is the death knell of our civilization
>>540728988>Refute?Premise 1: A man sucking c*ck is gayPremise 2: You are on video sucking c*ckConclusion: You are gay
>>540728988>PREMISE 1: OP DOUBLES HIS DILDO BUDGET AND THE GDP GOES UP>THIS IS GOOD
>>540728988>refuting a leftist
>>540728988can we address the 3rd premise?Premise 3: Sucking dick on camera and being bad at it
The higher the GDP goes the lower my quality of life is, so higher GDP bad.
>>540728988GDP is a worthless metric in corrupt economies.
>>540734097Your nation isn't slated for IQ reduction, that's why.
>>540728988simp cuck faggot.
>>540728988It can't believe we're not at the point where we refute the people who are holding the door open to brown filth by killing them. What does it take?
>>540729690Came here to post this. Shitlibs always filtered by basic maths and finance.
>>540728988Immigrants only artificially increase the GDP, if your country is beholden like a slave to GDP then you have deeper problems.Also immigrants ensure the absolute destruction of your nation and people, so propping up some financial statistic at the expense of an entire people is completely retarded. The government is to serve the people, the people are not to serve a financial metric. Immgrants typically are to suppress wages, increase housing demand and prices, etc. This does NOT serve the native inhabitants, it's actually treason.
>>540728988Let's say there's an impoverished 80-year-old. If this man were to be murdered by a repeat offender (who would have ended back in prison anyway), it would contribute more to GDP than his continued existence. The police investigation, legal proceedings, lifelong incarceration of the perpetrator and even the funeral contributes towards GDP. If we legalized indecent images of children, it would contribute towards GDP. The same is true of an all array of evil things. Yet, even most GDP obsessives wouldn't advocate for such things. There are matters even they prioritize more than GDP in this world. Then there's the issue with GDP its self. While advocates claim GDP correlates with positive metrics, when you limit the analysis to Western countries these correlations become weak or non-existent depending on the metric. This is even true of GDP per capita. While GDP excludes welfare and other transfer payments, when that welfare is spent in the economy it contributes to GDP. If the government cut spending elsewhere to fund a million imported welfare dependents, the welfare they spend in the economy would increase GDP. Of course, whether it would increase more or less than what the government would have spent the money on is a different matter. This would even create jobs. If you have a million more people buying bread, you need more workers to produce it. But for the taxpayer it's a gigantic burden. The country is no better off overall. In fact, it's likely worse off. This is without going into the stress they put on services and housing or social cohesion.
Premise 1: Losing weight is good for you.Premise 2: Cutting off your dick will lose you some weight.Conclusion: We need to cut off our dicks.Refute?
> You live in a house with 2 parents. > They're called "Government" and "Corporations".> You give them 70% of your $1,000 in weekly wages as rent.> They give you back 10% as allowance.> They realize if they invite more people into their household, they can collect more "rent" while still staying ahead, even with doling out "allowance".> After inviting 100 more people to live with you, they ask you why you're complaining:> "This household brings in $100,000/week Before we invited all these people in it was only bringing in $1,000/week! You must hate progress!"Understand now, OP?
>>540728988In the age of LLMs you can easily reference the arguments for and against to date. The reason you don't do this is because your OP is a prompt for simple astroturf bots to repeat ad nauseam the emotional outbursts comprising your comments section training sets. This is what is meant by Dead Internet. There can be nothing gained from this exchange unless actual humans join in and make contributions that matter. They do not. Dead thread, Dead board, Dead site, Dead Internet.
>>540728988This is a Vaush board.
>>540729284>slaves boost GDP tremendouslythat's exactly why humanoid robots are gonna change everything. All the mass immigration was for NOTHING, not even economic reasons
>>540728988I refute the first. GDP is meaningless. Productive capacity is what matters.
>>540728988>immigrants boost GDPthey never seem to do this in the places they come from. its a mystery.
