>Trump is reportedly ordering the Navy to replace the Ford-class carriers’ electromagnetic catapults with old-fashioned steam catapults, despite years of resistance and a nearly half-completed replacement program.https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2088001399313551703This seems bizarre. Why is Trump so adamant on replacing the current launch system with the older one?
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>>540739150Mechanical shit breaks less? Either that or he’s a stubborn dumbfuck boomer, which he is.
>>540739150>ordering the Navy to replace the Ford-class carriers’ electromagnetic catapults with old-fashioned steam catapultssounds like nothing a 10 year 12 billion dollar complete flight deck and machine spaces overhaul couldn't half-ass accomplish
>>540739410>Mechanical shit breaks less?Usually it's the opposite, everything involving moving parts is more likely to break than a pile of cables and PCBs
>>540739410It's this.Trump just someway or somehow got it in his head steam is better and since he's extremely stubborn and also thinks he's always right hes going to replace all the catapults with steam ones no matter what anyone says.
>>540739410if the steam works fine, then I see no problemnoone needs stupid expensive gadgets that dont work >Electromagnetic catapults—such as the U.S. Navy's EMALS—face major challenges including early reliability and high failure rates, difficulty isolating electrical faults during flight operations, immense short-term power demands, and complex, expensive maintenance requirements.
>>540739615>someway or somehow got it in his headLike, with electromagnetic energy??
>>540739150Anon, I have news for you
>>540739529It's like the revolver and semi auto pistol argument. One tends to wear out and lock up more than another that would jam and break springs. Then again, you were the ones to come up with magic and create the G11. Nightmare of moving parts as a weapon.
>>540739150DANGER ZONE
>>540739667>>540739188tbqh it reeks of some secret gauss gun research that was funded under excuse of those catapults >making ... ability to sustain critical technologies more important than ever
>>540739188Hi, welder here.If you revert to steam pipes, the hourly maintenance costs triple, at minimum.Any welder that is trade skill capable of welding steam pipe to spec (In excess of 20,000 PSI) costs drastically more than what the military has on hand.Welders at that skill level, are not service members.Steam pipe welders are PhD level trade workers in terms of how elite they are in their class of work.1 hour of steam pipe welding will cost you over $300/hr just to have the guy on hand.Total costs are beyond $1,000/hrIn order of skill and relative costs:>Welder - $20-30/hr>Specialized Welder - $40-80/hr>Harness Welder - $60-120/hr>Underwater Welder - $150-500/hr>Steam Pipe Welder -$300-$1,000/hrYes. Steam pipe welders are worth more than underwater welders. The skill differential is enormous.Liability on high PSI pipe work is gargantuan. No welder is even allowed to touch that shit, without being the best of the fucking best.It is an elite welding class.
>>540739150Um well lolLmaoTrump thinks that magnets don't work if they get wet and the Navy, well...Buddy the Navy operated in the water
>>540739850I don't know shit about weapons but my assumption would be that revolvers are more reliable just because they are simpler. Am I wrong?
>>540740082Go ahead, go try to become a steam pipe welder.I dare you.
>>540739615There's no way he's laying awake at night figuring out stuff. More likely, a bunch of tech wonks discovered a vulnerability in the EM launch system and the alert trickled up the the Chief.
>>540740260There was a steam pipe welder working and a live pressure pipe ruptured near him.It blew a whole through the guy's groin the size of a soccer ball.He lived, I guess.I'm sure he gets a great deal on mobility prosthetics and motorized handi-chairs.
>>540739150This article is from Trump's first term, op is a faggot as always.
>>540739150>Trump is reportedly ordering the Navy to replace the Ford-class carriers’ electromagnetic catapultsSteam catapults continue to work even when an electromagnetic bomb explodes.This zionazi orange faggot really wants to confront China.
>>540739150Probably another one of his grifts.
>>540739150Trump is a fucking retarded kike slave, but he's right about this. Steam catapults are way more reliable than whatever experimental shit they put on the Ford.Should stick to building carriers with steam catapults until they can actually get the Ford's catapults to work without breaking down every other day.
>>540739667>if the steam works fine, then I see no problemSteam never works fine, steam is a pain to work with, it corrodes everything, mixes with oil and degrades it, requires a lot of maintenance and many more problems. Electromagnetic catapults work better, are more stable and having no moving parts require less maintenance.Odds are some friend of family member has a shares on the corporation landing the military contract to switch the catapults.
>>540739150Most likely to save some cash for jarred kushner
>>540740082I like this
>>540740550yeah trump is in the pocket of big steam
>guys the jig is up. They know our techo sci Fi shit is made of cardboard and random wires
>>540740359Are you a steam pipe welder
>>540739150Worlds best navy btw can't build a catapult.
>>540740633>Hurrdurr muh steam never worksTwo world wars were won using steam
>>540740503wouldn't an emp destroy the boat and airplane electronics? what good would a functional launchpad do lol
>>540740799An emp wouldn't do shit to a steam engine
>>540739150Trump has a friend in the steam catapult business that will do it under budget and ahead of schedule. Plus it will save steam jobs that would otherwise go to Chyna.
>>540740082Thx
>>540740799Not if they are very well shielded. And I think most US mil tech is.Why those catapults can't be shielded is above me.
>>540740503>Steam catapults continue to work even when an electromagnetic bomb explodesWhat jets are you going to be launching if your carrier gets EMP'd?
>>540740795>Two world wars were won using steamAnd? Should we got back to fucking steam engines too instead of Nuclear? Most combat carriers in WW2 could only deploy for 2-3 months at a time.
Does a jew benefit from the thing trump wants? And is a non-jew on the losing end of the thing trump wants?
The steam catapults work by showing an anime protagonist boobs.
>>540739150Would the Ford wunderboat be any better either way? Or just another shit ship that has laundry fires?
>>540739150Trump is a coward and a jerkoff and should be demoted from Commander in Chief at least he could stay domestic leader but should have ZERO to do with our military.
>>540740799No. EMPs are sci-fi bullshit. The energy required to electromagnetically fry electronics on a carrier, or even a city, would require dropping a nuke nearby in the atmosphere. Near everything on a Navy vessel is grounded to the hull of the ship. The likely problem with the magnetic launch is simply the sheer electrical current magnitude causing material distortion in the rails combined with exposure to salt spray. That's why the rail gun was abandoned. Steam catapults are fine with the number of steam plants on board these vessels. Well, maybe if the Ford class never designed the steam plant to store the thermal battery needed like the prior class did.
>>540739188>>540739150They (General athomic) were likely stealing billions of $, and shit (electromagnetic launchers) either didn't work or broke all the time. If you are an aircraft carrier in the middle east, and your electromagnetic launcher broke, and you can't launch any planes. Likely you are a sitting duck.
>>540739667>>Electromagnetic catapults—such as the U.S. Navy's EMALS—face major challenges >including early reliability and high failure rates, difficulty isolating electrical faults during flight operations,> immense short-term power demands, and complex, expensive maintenance requirements.Here you go. if you are in the middle east and it broke, you are a sitting duck.
>>540740799>wouldn't an emp destroy the boat and airplane electronics>>540740982The electronics yes, but not the steam catapult if its mechanical. Aircraft carrier is a floating airport where you refuel and launch attacks. He really considers the US sailors who are in these ships as impotent.
>>540740994I think the boys in hormuz would welcome a max of 2-3 months
>>540741163There there, have a cookie and warm milk. Mommy won't let the bad orange boogeyman get you
>>540740082>Hi, welding qualified chatgpt hereYeah. About that.
>>540739529Ultimately it depends on the implementation of both electronic and mechanical solutions. It’s impossible to judge simply based on the nature of the system alone.That said electronics aren’t as sturdy as you’d believe, specially not those ultra high power systems. From the top of my head, there’re massive heating issues, capacitor strain and mechanical stress caused by electromagnetic forces at least. A pure thermodynamic system might be just as good if not better.
Why do people let Trump go through with his retardation?
>>540739488>electromagnetic catapultsIs this the same shit as the Rail Gun?lol LMFAO
>>540740169They're actually more complicated. Lots of small parts for rotating the cylinder.But they're more reliable because they're "static" in a sense. The cylinder rotates into position, stops and the gun fires A semi auto has a simpler mechanism, but its dynamic. It relies upon motion and momentum, and everything has to be in the right place at the right time
50 posts in and nobody has checked to see what the real story is, but we just happen to have some experts here to contribute their opinions on various matters.
>>540741427Article is about him fucking with the Navy's toys
>>540741580As far as I can tell, steam with all its faults is proven technology. Whereas the electromagnetic catapult is new and still has issues. It might be "almost finished" but how reliable will it be?
>>540741580I did the research and my posts reflect that.
>>540739150I could build an EMALS out of 100 Tesla, some cable, and spindle and a few steel beams using a dozen Jr College auto-shop and IT techs in "two weeks" and $100K not including the borrowed cars.
I wonder if "Diversity is our strength" is an issue here.
>>540741517>low iq retard read posts above: >>540741207>>540741291
>>540739150That's funny considering the Chinese ones seem to be working just fine.
>>540740082>>540740359Back in my days you would have been required to validate your larp with a picture of, let's say, a tool and a timestamp
>>540741711if only it was a dance competition or a basketball match we'd have won for sure then
>Steam Catapult breaks and the ships engineering crew can unbolt the damaged section and replace it>Electromagnetic version breaks and it stays broken until they can get to port100% this is the problem and while the newer version looks cool and is worth developing being able to deal with issues at sea is far more important.
>>540741746>the Chinese onesso are they electric or steam?
>>540739150It's tragically funny watching a demented old pedophile with no military experience utterly rape one of history's most powerful militaries by forcing them to do stupid bullshit and signing contracts to pay for crap that doesn't work. I have been a conspiracy theorist for close to 15 years now and it has been incredibly validating watching the wealthy go full mask off.
>>540741887They are EMALs yes. They recently beat the U.S. when they launched stealth fighters from them for the first time.
>>540741884thank you leaf, you must be one of the last white ones left
>>540741910another baby needs cookies and milky
>>540739150The military is wasting billions of dollars? Is the sky also blue?
>the Chinese navy are the only ones in the world with operational EMALS aircraft carriers now
>>540741920You need to really watch Chinese claims, they may have launched an unloaded one with no fuel or something. But that's useless. They do stuff like that all the time.
>>540741920So...The US Navy and the Chinese held a "competition" (wink wink nudge nudge) to show just how great the systems are they are trying to promote.
>>540741943I would normally roast you but I honestly feel kinda bad for you guys at this point. Very funny anon, good one.
>>540742064woopsforgothow many Chinese mfg parts in those EMALs?
>>540742033>You need to really watch Chinese claimsThere's nothing to watch, they filmed it in HD. The U.S. has not yet launched any F-35 from it's EMALS equipped carriers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06z6trsMLYw
>>540739150No EMALS?
>>540741293Again, what is going to be launched by this steam catapult? Jets with dead electronics?
>>540741831>Faggot-Kike-Nigger-Bot-Tranny HAZ SOMETHING 2 SAY!!!!!You’re not even a human being you sprocket-Nigger. Post hand.
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>>540742033This
>>540739667China got it working. I guess American naval architects are the ICP.
>>540739150>Trump is reportedly ordering the Navy to replace the Ford-class carriers’ electromagnetic catapults with old-fashioned steam catapults, despite years of resistance and a nearly half-completed replacement program.
>>540742176Stop lying on the internet you faggot, I bet you never worked a day in your life.
>>540739150My money is on because it uses too much rare earth magnet, which we depend on China for. US carrier being heavily dependent on Chinese supply chain is probably not gonna go well. But so does our missiles and shit.
>>540739150The new Trump/Epstein class battleships will make carriers obsolete anyway.
>>540742405I said post hand you malfunctioning mecha-kike.
Remember, Trump's uncle was the MIT electrical engineer who took Tesla's secret papers and said "nothing to see here folks". Seems Trump family have something against electricity and magnetism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump
>>540739529Sure, right up until you introduce oh, say, salt water? Trump is right. They have had decades to come up with a working system and they have failed. Time to pull the plug.
>>540741746It's bizzare, because the electromagnetic catapults used to be proprietary USA technology, it was highly prized and sought after amongst world powers. We were the only ones with it and guarded it fiercely.How China got theirs is from a carrier we sold to Australia and they were supposed to strip it down and remove our proprietary technology but through either shear incompetence forgot and left it on or straight up corruption when they resold it to China decades later as it fell out of service.USA threw a complete shitfit over it because it let China's garbage fleet skip 50+ years of development and reverse engineered the technology into their own modernized peer carrier fleets. We wouldn't even be talking about a Taiwan invasion for decades more to come if Australia didn't turbo fuck up there.Steam Vs Electric CatapultsIt's half the reason our carriers are nuclear powered, to juice the catapults. The electric ones are vastly smaller and more compact, meaning you can carry and deploy many more aircraft which the whole point of carriers are their payloads and fleet capacity. They're also able to recharge and deploy aircraft faster which is equally important to their effectiveness.They are however much more maintenance intensive which usually isn't a problem because they're supposed to be serviced every year, we usually have a rotation of 1/3rd of our fleet being serviced at any given time. It's only a problem right now because the retarded orange kike got impatient and started a war he didn't prepare for and forcibly redeployed a carrier for a 2nd year without maintenance and now he has the audacity to blame the carrier and it's catapults for his own shortsightedness.
>>540740994>He's too retarded to realize a nuclear cv is just steamFrankly they need to up the capcha by several orders of magnitude to filter out the lead gasoline huffers
>>540742171>Again, what is going to be launched by this steam catapult? Jets with dead electronics?The jets can land for refueling and attack you dumbfuck they don't have to be there during the EMP attack
>>540739150I love this kind of news, seeing americans voting for a convicted criminal, sex offender and known fascist ideologue only to have even the American Army destroy in a never ending wave after wave of corruption is delicious...Americans promoted corruption through all Latin America and now even the American Army is victim of corruption...Please keep voting trump, dont believe in those "fell for it again award", just 2 or 3 more presidencial terms of trump and America will be poorer than brazil.
>>540740994nuclear carriers use steam propulsion retard
>>540742132But stuff like this doesn't tell the whole story. Again, what was the takeoff weight of the aircraft? Then, what is the overall sortie rate? Did this launch put undue stress on system? Such that it couldn't practically be used like this in an actual operation? Or did it use so much electricity it would take too long to store it into a whatever energy storage medium they use. Then, China has no nuclear carriers, so how is this thing even charged? Diesel lol? China always comes out with shit like this that doesn't actually work, so they can say they were "first" but not quite.
>>540741580Trust in Gabe
>>540742689China already has modular ones on land for launching drones. America can't take out impoverished dune coons it's never been more over for the Jewish golem
>>540740594The carriers should all be mothballed and sold for scrap, and the scrap should be reforged to build submarines. Carriers = death trap for 5000 sailors.
>>540742689>How China got theirs is from a carrier we sold to Australia and they were supposed to strip it down and remove our proprietary technology but through either shear incompetence forgot and left it on or straight up corruption when they resold it to China decades later as it fell out of service.You are better for your mental sanity drop the cope that America invents everything and the chinks steal everything.China has more engineers in master and doctorate degrees and higher IQ.Its a country ruled by engineers with an important engineer population.Believing that a population and goverment led by men of science would not be able to device such technology is extremely retarded.
>>540743403>But stuff like this doesn't tell the whole storyConsidering the U.S. Navy hasn't even gotten to this point yet, it doesn't dissuade me from thinking the Chinese program is having more success.>China always comes out with shit like this that doesn't actually workYet it seems to be working. If you want to try and prove its actually cardboard and CGI, go ahead.
>>540742689>It's bizzare, because the electromagnetic catapults used to be proprietary USA technologyAmerican Carriers with EMALS are brand new and they still don't work yet. Are you talking about Steam catapults?
>>540744125The US doesn't come out with shit unless it works. It's a basic physics problem, emals requires lots of energy a diesel generator probably cannot provide for practical use even. Hence there is no benefit over steam, or the downsides exceed the benefits and that's why nobody cares about this.
>>540740082Don’t worry, Trump knows a guy. Except once the demolition part is done, everything else will fall through. But the payment has been completed
>>540739150Pic related is just upset that his buddy that invites him to the Epstein parties is loosing his main source of income.
>>540744336>The US doesn't come out with shit unless it worksThey built and entire class of carriers with EMALS and they clearly don't work reliably since they have no F-35s on them. The point was China did it first.>emals requires lots of energy a diesel generator probably cannot provide for practical use evenWell unless you can tell me how the Chinese are launching planes from theirs in the middle of the ocean if it's not possible, they figured it out.>Hence there is no benefit over steam, or the downsides exceed the benefits and that's why nobody cares about this.It takes up a lot less space, mainly. Again, there's a reason the U.S. and China have built carriers with them and it's not "lol no one cares".
>>540743741we should go straight to supreme commander and start building submersible carriers
>>540739150This is a terrible idea, but whatever he can do whatever he wants.It'd be better to use steam on smaller vessels. Newer generations of aircraft carriers (drone carriers) need to be made much smaller.
Back in the days when propeller aircraft would launch off of aircraft carriers the techniques used to boost horsepower on takeoff involved the use of injecting methanol into the engines. Another technique was through the use of rocket assisted propulsion. Both have their disadvantages (rocket fumes are terrible for your health, and methanol injection ruins combustion engines).I don't see why the Japanese can't help in the manufacturing of aircraft carrier catapults, they have more experience with maglev and have an entire industry surrounding it. They also need to make an aircraft carrier.
>>540742689dude jews have openly been stealing anything worthwhile from our military industrial complex for decades and selling it to communists.our commanding ranks have been so outplayed on intel the only people in command who know jack shit more about running a military than cutting checks are the spies.seriously these people have been so maltrained to think their dumpster fire is good for more than blowing up savages you would struggle to find worse replacements without just repeating the faggot fast track that wrecked this shit to begin with.every gapemouthed cockaddict in this story is suspect you could role dice on this and have as much reason to believe the result as any official story.could be the electric system was a complete scam thats being pulled back because the jews actually need us to win this. could be they want us to lose in order to kick off a crisis justifying kicking all the muslims and christians out of isreal.could be they had to do a parts source check and keeping the things running without chinese supply is a complete show stopper. could be isreal is losing control of america and plans to just steal the systems and maybe ships and leave america to cw3.yall niggers need to up your racism games ya thinkin far too much of these idiots havin their ducks in a row or this glorified theater being more than just another layer of propaganda most of these niggas to dumb to know the hell they sayin
>>540743825China was behind for decades, it's really only this decade they've caught up and even surpassed Western innovation
>>540739150>This seems bizarre. Why is Trump so adamant on replacing the current launch system with the older one?Because the old one actually works.
>>540743741Carriers usually have 5-10 battleships accompany them and 2 or 3 subs.Really hard to execute a complete attack against all that, but not impossible.
>>540739150Probably because those slings are powered by the dual reactors, of which sailors are increasingly becoming less capable of maintaining
>>540739150Magats want to live in 1950, ie the president's halcyon youth
>>540739150STEAM SOVL
>>540739150>Why is Trump so adamant on replacing the current launch system with the older one?Because the mass-driver system fucks up constantly due to the counter-weights and superconductors. Also requires delicate maintenance that the retards on board can't do.Waist-Cat is steam, so at least that one works every day. >t;NNSDD
>>540739150LFGGGG
>>540744876the end of ww2 was jews won the physical war, commies won the mind games, axis won the hearts and minds and americans payed for all of it.the people in charge are pissed as all fucking hell at japan because racism against japs faded in the sunlight as americans of two braincells and above realized they'd been had.seriously the only people racist against japan are leftists and shills and they are absolutely livid because whites genuinely just moved on when dealing with an actually civilized race.american policy towards japan has been entirely american elites hamstringing it out of spite https://www.amazon.com/Princes-Yen-Central-Bankers-Transformation/dp/0765610493read that to get an in depth on how americas screwed over japan.but for the tech question more directly its dubious how much awareness of just how bad the drone missle paradigm of modern war is is reaching americas descision makers.its entirely possible carriers are already obsolete and its effectively impossible to meaningfully protect one within a useful combat range.and between the sadistic destruction of the american economy and multiple political purges of personnel in the system there have to be very few if any people capable of modernizing the largely stagnant miltech sphere.and thats even before willing the empires just been a war chest to fuel screwing the public over even among the cowards unwilling to admit they live under tyranny the idea of getting jack shit from these wars is completely foreign.
>>540739410You are severely retarded if you think Trump cares about fucking boat catapults. The navy hands him shit to sign and he signs it.
>>540744774>Newer generations of aircraft carriers (drone carriers) need to be made much smaller.Already builtFord Class is 14 billion a copy - The Joao is 132 Million. Easy Math.
>>540741576Revolvers aren't more reliable than autos and haven't been for quite a while now. They're more expensive to make well because they have to be hand timed, eventually have to be either retimed and rebuilt or discarded, are stupid heavy for the amount of rounds they hold, and are slower to reload. The only things they have going for them is they can be readily upsized for larger calibers without having to redesign the whole thing, can be inherently more accurate because the barrel doesn't move relative to the chamber, and they're wicked fucking cool. And don't at me with your >b-but muh wheel gunfudd bullshit. I edc a revolver. I prefer the damn things. A basic bitch Glock 19 is still objectively better.
>>540746742Thanks for the clarification anon
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>>540746742nigger the mechanical design of guns has regressed since stagnating post ww2 older guns have more life left than newly made modern shit.none of you seem to get anywhere near just how bad things are decaying on every front
>>540747048>>540746742the best advantage they have is simplicity of operation.my wife edc's a revolver.it is simple af to shoot. no magazine, just point and click. no ftf or fte, no practice required besides point, click, click, click...
>>540740274>there is no way he stays up at nightHe says about the cuck president who literally tweets at 2 am every single day about whatever his latest grievance is. No this narcissist would never latch onto something he knows nothing about and force his way to fruition to prove his retard point
>>540739150>reportedly Fake news
>>540739410The bong Navy looked into and found it too unreliable so kept the steam launch system with a ramp.
>>540740633Steam is much more reliable ffs lol.Electro magnetic launch system also corrodes even worse.
>>540739150Its part of Trump's weird obsession with magnets.>You know, the new thing is magnets. So instead of using hydraulic that can be hit by lightning and it’s fine. You take a little glass of water, you drop it on magnets, I don’t know what’s going to happen.Although frankly this is what happens you reject a big sexy ramp. Just sayin.
>>540740082>boiler makers think they have a PHD nowLmao
>>540747806There is nothing inherently corrosive about electricity. Meanwhile high pressure systems and fluid systems are both highly corrosive and steam is both of those. It also constantly breaks down because a complicated system is constantly being exposed to high pressure and one of the several thousand parts inevitably breaks in a physical way. When an electromagnetic system breaks down it just needs a new breaker or fuse or a whatever installed not a repair job by an extremely rare high pressure certified welder that has to be carefully planned with rare material and then QAO
>>540739150we have 11 carriers running steam.this electric shit didnt work out, who cares why.it says trump told them 9 fuckin years ago to go back to steam, and they still cant get this electric shit working.at what point do we tell these jew fuck companies to stop fleecing us and to fucking get it done or fucking die
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>>540746742Revolvers can also shoot a bullet with much faster velocity, greater penetration and impact.Think of Dirty Harry's 44 Magnum
>>540739150Carriers will be going the way of the battleships soon. they are useless in missile and drone warfare.
>>540739150Can president just tell military what tech to use? Why is a guy with no engineering/military education advising navy on how they should operate the machinery.
>>540749243Also imagine a Beatles album called Glock
>>540741291This is likely it. I don't believe that Trump woke up one day and boomered 'old tech works best' randomly about a specific part of the MIC. They probably just couldn't get the EMALS to work reliably, no matter what BS the vendor told them in the tender.The only reason that I think Trump is being dodgy on this is if he (or one of his croney's) would make money on the steam catapult replacement.
