Why do catholics INSIST on worshipping a woman whose alleged importance Jesus himself denounced?:>“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
>>540752913The same reason muslims worship muhammad and the Kaaba. If people make fun of Allah no one cares, but you make fun of mohamad, you fucking die, they all pray toward Kaaba.Its called the hypocrisy of iconoclasts, they themselves call their idolatry true, while damning others forms of the same practice.This is the foundation of the Jewish Mind Trap of Christianity and Islam, it is the religions formulated to control the goyim (thus the cattle reference of sheep to the christians) and islam being completely batshit insane self-defeating damnation.
>>540752913>memeflag with the anti-Catholic threadhow is this even vaguely politics, kikel?
>>540752913We don't worship Mary.
>>540753271This. Veneration is not idolatry.Doesn't matter to these inbred heathens on here though.
>>540752913Do you think when you see Jesus at the end of your mortal life, He's going to express his gratitude for saying terrible things about His mother?
if you fucked Mary would she stop being a virigin?
>>540753271Anon is correct>>540752913The reason I think they over emphasize Mary is bc women like it. Women control if the family goes to church. Women control most of the finances now and the church wants the donations coming in. I don’t know was Mary that looked up to in earlier centuries or did it really start shifting when women were given voting rights?
>>540753491Pretty sure she stopped being a virgin some time before jesus' siblings were born.
>>540752913>retarded baptists: I go by the bible alone and Mary was a nobody>literally the bible: "All generations will call me Blessed"
>>540752913Luther held Mary in high regard. Even Calvin had affection for Mary even though he was wrong about a lot of things. Practically all these early Protestants held Mary in special esteem unlike today's Protestants. Calvin himself would be horrified at what many Prots today think.
>>540752913>>540752815
>>540753158>>540753355You're not even a real christcuck, so shut your cock holster.
>>540753271>>540753355Don't christcuks literally pray to marry as if she is divine and can hear prayers?
>>540754678You may ask her to interceed(pray) on your behalf. I don't understand why you don't understand. You guys just like talking in circles or actually learning something.
>>540752913I've noticed that jews tend to be particularly vicious about Virgin Mary whenever she is mentioned. Kikes are very matriarchal, so I assume it is like used up mudshark whores seething about a Stacy.
>>540754840How do you know she can hear your thoughts and prayers? What is your source for this information?
Meanwhile Protestants are worshipping the Jewish state of Israel
>>540753355You call on Mary before you call on god.Ergo you break a commandment.
>>540752913gentiles (beasts of the field) need a mother goddess and mary fulfills that role. they need demigods and saints fulfill that role.
>>540755052Beasts of the field with black visage taking up arms and donning sack cloth - anon that's niggers not gentiles.
>>540755088>christbabbleya ok good job
Is a pedophile named Muhammad the answer to all of life's mysteries? lol
>>540752913jew, you should get some brain and some new strategys, even a 10yo gets what your doing..
>>540752913She is Ishtar, catholics are just pagans in denial. Except they will never admit it. Just like the Muslims never admit that they are idolatry. With their worship of a rock.
>>540754678Holy virgin mary is like the secretary of Jesus Christ.
>>540755195There was just never gave any real indication that would be her role in the afterlife or she was divine enough to hear everyones prayers.
>>540755120Hypocrisy be thy name.
>>540755036The Our Father is the ultimate prayer…. Mary is not part of The Trinity…BTW it’s Roman Catholic…
>>540755330There are plenty but if you don't believe you can't know.
>>540753060>thus the cattle reference of sheep to the christiansSheep aren't cattle. Cattle refers to bovines. Sheep are ovines.
>>540755407I think she would have mentioned it at least once in the bible if it was true.
>>540755386Pray to None before me for Iam a jealous god.Sorry lad you are wrong and a heretic.
>>540752913Prob because pagan religions worship women and they needed a goddess figure for christcucks. It makes no sense and was the cause of the outrage over Nestorius saying that shes not the Mother of God, just Christ
>>540753158Jews and Catholics both open borders for browns but the pope is actually kissing nigger feet.
>>540753271>>540753355Catholics absolutely worship Mary and believe shes the queen of heaven. They believe shes closer to God so than the regular goy so she basically has powers of access to the Yahweh superior to goy
>>540755015Both are worshipping a Jew so it doesnt matter
>>540755730Only jews believe Catholics worship Marry so they can execute them by decapitation according to the Nohanide laws.jews always try to justify their crimes.
>>540753497Mary was a 12-16 year old whore getting fucked on the streets and treated like a saint.>>540753491Even if we entertain that god impregnated this slut, then jesus had his penis in her as he formed, and probably stretching out from pregnancy would have popped her cherry. If we assume a virginal conception to be true then Jesus took his own mothers virginity.
>>540754585kek, shoo memeflag yid, wasn't talking to you
>>540752913Mary didn’t even do anything and shouldn’t be worshipped.
>>540752913Based! forget blood. Brothers in Christ no matter what color!
>>540754978a belief that heaven is a place that exists.
>>540756999Thats just an assumption Mary can hear everyones thoughts and prayers though. She would need to be near demigod status, to hear and accept the millions of prayers.
>>540756920>Godchad picked her over any other woman on the planet
>>540752913I'm glad we're having this conversation.Modern Catholicism is rooted in heresy. They basically replaced God and Jesus with man (the pope and his priests).Jesus himself has said many times that believers are to pray directly to God, not go through a stupid priest. Then the whole veneration of humans as gods is yet another heresy. These things WERE NOT believed and practiced by the original Church founders and leaders.
>>540752913>whyYou know why; mystery babylon being culturally appropriated by romans and dressed up with christian themes
>>540756964Vaya con dios
>>540757243>REAL christianity hasn't been done for a long timeI've heard a variation of this argument somewhere. Why did they trash it then?
Step up your game, inverse Indogs
>>540757342K, go worship man thinking that is salvation.
>>540757361Surprised your muslim population hasn't destroyed it and killed every Christian near it.
Catholics do not worship the blessed Virgin Mary but offer her reverence and pray with her. Mary is not represented in Catholic mass other than in liturgy.
>>540757374You think i'm replacing one for the other? Salvation of what?
>>540757391We are more Christlike than you, baby eaters.
>>540757410....>>540757414thats good to know. but i'm still skeptical.
>>540757405There is never any indication in the Bible this role of intermediary between Man and God was ever an intended purpose of mary. Or even a role she would accept or be capable of fulfilling, being Fully Human and Not Divine, there is zero indication she could hear your prayers or know your heart to make decrement to accept the prayer.
>>540752913>denouncedAllegoryDo you listen to your mother? Would you do something for her if she asked you to?Do you get mad if someone insulted her?Would you do something bad to the one who did that?It's common sense which you protestants severe lack. Almost like your foreskin was ripped off at birth causing severe brain trauma.
>>540754585It's not their religion you disingenous retard! They are rabidly against it.
>>540755036>Ergo you appeal to family and friends to appease the Lord. Show a little humbleness, you proud faggot.
>>540755730>Queen of Heaven.She is. Christ is King.Mary is His Mother.Ergo Mary is Queenfor only a Queen can birth a King.Or if one becomes King his mother becomes Queen by default.It's really not that hard.
>>540757839So anyone who is dead and (presumably) in heaven, be it ancestor, saint, or Virgin Mary, you assume can hear your thoughts and prayers when you pray to them?
>>540756152Go tell that to Her Son in person now!You will eventually anyway!
>>540756920>Mary didn’t even do anythingAnd Mary said, “Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.” And the angel departed from her.Luke 1:38.She humbly accepted to bear God Incarnate.She is The Theotokos i.e. The God Bearer.
>>540755585Lying prot / kikeFor thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:It's worship not pray.And we do not worship but Most Honor Her and we pray to her to intermediate between us and Christ for God Incarnate listens to His Holy Perpetual Virgin Mother.
>>540757972>be it ancestor, saint, or Virgin Mary, Virgin Mary is Saint for She is Holy>assumeI know>can hear your thoughts and prayers when you pray to them?They do hear. As does God. Only saints can intervene with God on your or your ancestors behalf. Ancestors you can only pray for not to.
>>540758339I thought only God can hear your prayers. Do you have any source for this information because it is certainly not in the Bible.
I love memeflag threads.
>>540758339>>540758447I just assumed Only a Divine being like God could hear your thoughts and prayers. I did not realize tens of thousands of other people are also hearing these prayers.
>>540753271>>540753355Making an idol then bowing before it or kissing it is clearly going beyond veneration.Saying Mary was a righteous and blessed woman and we can learn from her life, particularly to trust in God even when what we are being told seems impossible; is veneration. In trying times we should remember her example and trust in God.Getting down on your knees and crying out for her to have mercy on you and to save you, and bowing down to idols of her and kissing them; that is worship.I genuinely believe Catholics know this and are intentionally playing dumb because they know that logically what they are doing is indefensible. Others trying to strawman the alternate position and make out that others hate her or demean her; and because of that strawman they create a binary choice system in their minds where they either worship her in excess, or else hate and revile her; and finding Scripture that says all generations shall call her blessed, they then conclude that they must worship her in these excess and blasphemous ways.Clearly the correct position is to recognise her as a righteous and blessed woman who played a unique role in history and should be remembered and serve as an example due to her faith and trust in God. We certainly should not demean or mock her; but we also certainly should not pray to her, or bow to her, or construct idols to bow before and kiss. Surely this is obvious?
>>540752913Well this is the thing. They can do whatever they want, but the men of the reformation finally read the bible in their own language for the first time and saw the same things both you and I see about the Catholic Church.
>>540757405There is no intermediaries which is what you ask of others, saints, angels and Mary. The ONLY way to the father is through the son. You pray TO Jesus and Jesus talks to his father on your behalf.
>>540758447>I thought only God can hear your prayers.You "thought" wrong deceitful kike with your jewish pilpuling.God is allknowing so knows everything you do. Prayers to Him are heard by Him and any of those whom He allows to hear.Prayers to Saints are heard by Saints and God and anyone else God decides to allow them to hear.It's common sense. Prayers for ancestors are heard by ancestors, by the Saints, God, or both depending whom you pray to and anyone else whom God decides should hear them.>>540758595>I did not realize tens of thousands of other people are also hearing these prayers.There are no secrets in Heaven. And Heaven residents are In Communion with God.
>>540759008No. You don’t pray to dead people.
>Unlike you I worship jews properlyI have christcuck fatigue
>>540758986Through Jesus' sacrifice the veil in the Holy of Holies was torn. This was what separated us from the Father in symbol; in truth it was sin, but the symbol was destroyed to better our understand just as the sin was destroyed in Christ's offering; and now there is no sin left as Christ has taken it on Himself and bore the penalty, and His resurrection is the proof that sin no longer remains, as the wage of sin is death, and yet Christ lives; and so there is nothing left to cut us off from God. This is the Good News of Jesus Christ. Because of Christ we can now go directly to the Father. It is through Christ, but it was through His offering on the cross; it is not that we can now only pray to Christ, we can pray to the Father also. It is finished. We are saved.
>>540757839Stil breaking a commandment ya dickhead.
>>540759008None of what you said is in the Bible. Only God can hear your thoughts and prayers. Becoming a Saint does not gain the ability to hear other peoples prayers. You are fucking insane.
>>540759008Classic heathen making shit up as you go .
>>540752913Both statues are hideous. It seems Soviet Aesthetics haven't quite washed out of Poland.
>>540754585btfo
>>540759791>Soviet Aesthetics haven't quite washed out of Polandlooks solid enough at least, construction-wiseone thing you can say for the soviet schlock is that it tends to stick around. oftentimes far longer than the failed state that constructed it
>>540752913>Jesus denounced Maryprotestants have gone insane
