they got you fighting a retarded left-right war to keep you from fighting the LIBERTARIAN/AUTHORITARIAN war.as long as they got unchecked authority, they don't give a shit what your economic opinion is, they'll just take the money from you, or better yet your life, labor and prosperity.and they will do it with fucking torture shock gloves. black/white/brown/yellow/nigger/faggot/"christian" or tranny.they will fry you on the ground while more bootlickers just like you take your money and property right out of your fucking house.>muh right wing evangelicalismRIGHT IS ECONOMIC.evangelicalism is authoritarianism.UP AND DOWN are different from LEFT AND RIGHT*taps you on your thick skull*>up>down>left>rightdo you notice how all the words sound different?*taps your thick skull again*how many retarded years are you gonna spend not getting it?WHY DO YOU THINK THE SHILLS MADE UP THE WORD LOLBERTARIAN?this board is run by shills, and has been for a lot longer than you realize, becuase just like every cud chewing lefty troon, YOU ARE A FOLLOWER. you get your dopamine hits from being accepted by the group. you are a socialized fucking faggot, gullible and foolish and contemptible. truly goyim of the flock. the word means you. pure garbage./pol/.99% pure garbage.
>ZERO mention of the jewish culpritCurious...
>>540785300nigger, all the above is so the jews can make you die for Greater Israel. The whole thread is about the jews but you're too retarded to even comprehend THAT much. Get out of my sight.
>>540785300fucking knuckledragging mouthbreather. you sicken me.
>>540785408Pipe down, lampshade. It's just politics.
>>540785488all the above is so the jews can make you die for Greater Israel. The whole thread is about the jews but you're too retarded to even comprehend THAT much. Get out of my sight, fucking knuckledragging mouthbreather. you sicken me.
>>540785150that graphic is ignorant. every political movement has and uses the same amount of authority.
>>540785630>memeflaghow the fuck would authoritarianism work without funding?you didn't answer the question. i know it's ignorant. that's the whole point. to expose the ignorance to the ignorant fools (most of /pol/)
>>540785150bumping for the retards
>>540785150bumping because there are still retards on /pol/
>>540785150bumping till /pol/ stops falling for the shills
>>540785150Youre a fucking retard
>>540791657*thumps you on your skull*you're not getting it yet
I like the up/down distinction of Power politics versus Truth politics. Truth politics sees itself as a political philosophy of knowledge as opposed to ignorance. It comes in both Left and Right forms. On the Left, it consists in the revolutionary view that humans are equal as thinking things and as bearers of inalienable rights (Rousseau, Marx). On the Right political knowledge leads us not to universal human equality, but to the evident superiority of philosophers over the masses (Plato, Leo Strauss).The Left version of Power politics is familiar bothfrom the identity politics of postmodernist intellectuals and from claims that desire is infinitely creative and must be subject to no sublimating social constraint. The Right version can be found in Thomas Hobbes, with hisfear that transcendent appeals to religion or science will produce civil war by outflanking the somber power of the sovereign Leviathan. It can also be found in the German thinker Carl Schmitt, for whom politics begins when all common ground ends, when a “state of exception” is declared and politics is revealed for what it always is: a mortal struggle that separates all contenders into friends and enemies.Plagiarized from Graham Harman.
If you can’t acknowledge there is one elite party in charge of everything and they despise (you), then you aren’t worth saving
>>540785408Meds now
>>540785150why use left and right instead of communist and capitalist if it's an "economic scale?"left and right culture is manufactured by jews in western nations and only possible with many racial and social classes sharing the same space. In serious countries, there is one culture and minorities are assimilated or beaten down.
>>540785150>reposting goofy goyim memes from 20 years agolmao
>>540794413cope, shill.>>540792651no shit. that party is called aipac. just say that next time vaguepost king. you're not the holder of the knowledge.>>540792494now you: the only one worth replying to...> On the Left ... humans are equal as thinking things and as bearers of inalienable rightsthose are not the same:>thinking things>bearers of rightsclearly, human thinking capacity is not ubiquitous, nor is it sufficient to convey "value" as for "rights", i would say rights fall into two categories:A. what you defend (by fighting)B. what you earn (by contribution)so, i would modulate the value of thinking capacity by your contribution.> On the Right [is] the evident superiority of philosophers over the masses"superiority" is an outcome, not a innate quality, and that outcome emerges as the result of A+B.so, at the level of society, if we avoid appealing to dogmatic or self serving apparitions of assumption, we can reduce your Truth dimension to simply a continuum comprised of:How much does a person defend?How much does a person contribute?..cont'd
>>540785150Go back to r/Libertarians. We are economically left and socially far right which = National Socialist. You are a tourist.
>>540795508>no true poltardyou just described the "hell on earth" corner, and you're not "socially far right", you're AUTHORITARIAN, with the state taking all your labor AND property AND self determination. how the fuck you gonna make them give even a sliver of it back, numbskull?Answer: you won't. you'll cheer yourself right into the graves dug in perfect rows by the robots until earth has stopped your piteous mouths that coughed.>>540792494>desire is infinitely creative and must be subject to no sublimating social constraint.to make it clear: that's a restriction on Society, not the Individual, and it serves as a buffer to enable B. above (maximizing the potential for individual contribution)>transcendent appeals to religion or science will produce civil war-because people will defend their rights to decide for themselves. (A above)>politics begins when all common ground ends [and] is revealed as a mortal struggle that separates all contenders into friends and enemies.incredibly misanthropic and incorrect view. politics can also sometimes be simply administrative; the dispassionate determination of how or when things will be done; but that scheme is only possible upon a libertarian frame.>Truth vs PowerOverall, I'm unconvinced. I still see only A. and B. as what matters; (truth is of littel consequence unless it's lived by), and "Society" being a Restrictor and an Exploiter of both, thus the greatest regulations must always be placed on Society itself in order to reduce the wasted cost of self-defense and maximize the potential for contribution.
>>540795508Let me iron it out for you, real simple since your head a whole mess of retarded memes:Society is made up of Individuals.Individuals comprise society.Period. There it is.Society needs individuals to exist. Individuals do not need society.The Individual has primacy, and anything which fails to uphold that, has not earned the participation of those individuals.Now quit memeing, Hitlergruber. Good God, how much of your life have you wasted?
>>540785150bumping because of retards ITT
>>540785150>highest inequality in 100 years>WE ARE GOING TO COMMUNISMjust sterilize the niggermutts already, please!
>>540797345"they take all your money" is on the left."they tell us all what to do" is at the top.you don't think that's where we're headed?enlighten us all: where exactly do YOU think this is going??
>>540797508Taxes exist since the dawn of time. Top left is taking from rich and giving to the poor through the state.What is actually happening is that the money is extracted from lower and middle classes and given to Israel
Boomp.
>>540785150What no Ancap flag?
OP is missing the broader issue. He's correct that Left/Right is a smokescreen to distract from authoritarian/libertarian. People talk a lot about the overton window in the context of left and right, but what they don't talk about is the overton window in relation to authoritarian/libertarian. The march of technology and society is forcing inevitable authoritarianism. The choice is no longer whether you want an authoritarian government or not. The choice is what kind of authoritarian government you want. You either embrace fascism or natsoc now, or we will be under communism/socialism. There is no middle ground. There's no Lolbertarian Ancap paradise coming to save you. It will just end up in cyberpunk corporate fascism anyway. Either you embrace ethno nationalist government, or you will be under the boot of commies/corpos for the rest of your life.T. Tedpilled
>>540798696>what is actually happening is exactly what will always happen unless you retain real power through liberty to resist itwow more news at 11
>>540785150Red: Please molest me daddy governmentBlue: For kith and kinGreen: Why the fuck are you doing that? Stop.Purple: My dad molested me, so naturally I'm going to molest your kids tooThe diagonal of sanity has been forgotten by certain parties that never understood this shit in the first place. "Liberal" does not mean "let them destroy society," it means "let them learn from experience if they must."
>>540785150This is how to understand politics objectively.https://imgur.com/a/fPt7hSyhttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyVKLxfrbLjsEoGPVJJsMU0BTeFMdQscl
>>540785150Lolbertism is retarded, only degenerates who want to do drugs and have open borders and look at CP without getting in trouble actually vote for lolbertism. In the real world, violence is the supreme authority, and it's inevitably all going to come down to either our side's authoritarian busting the enemy's skulls, or the enemy's authoritarian busting our skulls. I for one would prefer to wear the boot rather than having some commie wearing the boot stamping on my face.
>>540800496>gadsden flag yellow>that mean lolbert bottom right!You are retarded. Stop letting the disinfo fags tell you they're not degenerate ancaps.
>>540800739>shill detectedPathetic. Would you like to read it again while including the intended meaning of the full comment?>Huh? What do you mean you clearly stated that you were directly referring to larping retards that have no fucking clue what they're supposed to pretend to believe?
>>540800496>lolbertshill. discarded.
>>540800839fine. happy? i'm too busy trying to reply to the guy who actually said something halfway relevant to painstakingly sort out all you brigadiers.
>>540785150
>>540799953>The choice is what kind of authoritarian government you want.>You either embrace fascism or natsoc now, >or we will be under communism/socialism.I have a CRAZY idea, stay with me (it may be the medication talking, but i'll do my best to stay coherent):1. Freedom of speech2. Right to bear arms3. No quarter4. Right to privacy5. Habeus Corpus6. Right to Jury7. Right to Jury8. No excessive punishment9. Life, Liberty, Happiness10. Confederacy
>>540800914Here, let me state it again.Top left: FUCK NOBottom left: What are you, 14? You're gonna figure it out in a few years, have fun hurting yourself.Bottom right: Stop pretending your actions don't have consequences when you seek to harm others(where lolbert actually comes from, retard)Top right: Natural human existence.
>>540801255You don't get to pick and choose in your ad hominem arguments when you're talking about the ridiculous extremes or when you're arbitrarily excluding them for your favorite flavor's sake.And no: authoritarian right is not the default. Libertarian right is. "Authority" is a construct.
>>540801367You grew up in a single mother household?
>>540801489dude, cut the crap and make your argument.if you can't state it coherently without engaging in fallacy then you have none. i'm about to ignore.
>>540801560>fallacyYou refuse to understand basic functions of human existence. You have also dodged the query. Did you, or did you not, have a father available in your childhood to exercise authority over you?There is precisely one way someone can reach the conclusion that "authority" is "a construct," and that is through lack of experience.Authority is a fundamental social tool. We area social species(presuming you are, in fact, human).
>>540801730I am not talking about the lives of children wrt to their parent's guardianship.I am desperately attempting to have an adult conversation with you, about how adults interact,and between adults, authority is a fictitious construct.
>>540801843>it's fictitious because it isn't constantIt is strange that you called others shills. Did you know that knowing more about a specific topic grants you tacit authority over a less informed individual?Did you know that said authority dissolves once the other party is up to speed?Does it actually baffle you that this is something that happens constantly out of necessity? Information exchange.If you would, please review my statements and stop rejecting them because they make you feel bad for being incompetent. Incompetence is a self imposed restriction.
>>540802019>knowing more about a specific topic grants you tacit authority over a less informed individual?Drivel.look up and think about the word. hint: root word "Author">Did you know that said authority dissolves onceIt never existed in the first palce>Does it actuallyEnough sarcastic rhetoric. Stopped reading.Make your argument in declarative form or we're done.
>>540785150>left>right>close thread
>>540802126>stop speaking to me in a manner that expects mental facultiesStop taking self induced brain damage pills.Stop being retarded on purpose.Stop being a coward.My words should not cause you pain. Denying your falsehoods is not an attack on your person.If something is constructed, that grants it MORE meaning, not less. Stop misunderstanding the purpose of human action.What is the difference between a house fire and a bonfire?
>>540802179agreed. it's about the least important dimension.
>>540802222None of those are an argument.You shot your shot. Swing and miss.You wasted my hospitality.
>>540802266>hospitality>ignores my first post>screeches because I mocked a different retard>screeches because I carefully explained that it is being obtuseWhat hospitality? You are a combative imbecile desperate to have your words supported.Your inability to grasp simplicity is not my failure.
>>540802392your failure was your refusal to make an argument. the closest you came is this:>If something is constructed, that grants it MORE meaning, not less.But it's barely more than an assertion, and it's non-sequitur.My claim was:>authoritarian right is not the default. Libertarian right is. "Authority" is a construct.You prattled on about "meaning" and fluffed yourself, but my statement was about default.Unfortunately, anon, the density of your statements vis-a-vis the relevance of therein, is simply too low to merit any more attention. Tighten up your argument and maybe come back in a few weeks when you have something worth hearing..
>>540802867>I don't understand your statements so you didn't make an argumentYour canned retardation straight from a shill script is not a refutation of clear, concise points explaining that the natural human condition is tribal and thus hinges directly on temporary and permanent expressions of authority.I have said nothing that was not an argument.I SAY AGAIN.Single mother household?Maybe it's time to stop taking the pills.
>>540802973my statement was about default.your retort was about meaning.
>>540803040Your statement was about incoherent prattling you learned from other incoherent prattlers.My statement was extrapolation from previous comments made. Strangely, this extrapolation took the form of repetition. I wonder why...Tell me I'm wrong, retard. It's that fucking simple. Then we can move on to figuring out why you're self inflicting brain damage that would cause you to deny the obvious.
>>540785150>lolbergs still trying to convince everyone to die on their idiotic hill for no real gain whatsoeverAmazing.
>>540803252>nooo you hafta be authoritarian!!!!exactly as i predicted you would say, shill.
>>540803934>I predicted thisYour shill script directed you to say this. Stop calling everyone that enjoys treating you like the village idiot a shill.
>>540800341i watched it. they forced socialism as a stepping stone through dysfunction. thesis anti-thesis synthesis.
>Allow leftoid subhumans to use authority to batter you for the last 3 decades with no revengeKek cool story liberal fucktard, ill cut your dick off for you tranny fag
>>540805399you read the thread completely wrong
>>540801254The broader issue is AI, Surveillance and broader technology. We are being tracked in multiple ways already, from our phones to our bank accounts. Now they're integrating AI into it all. These things aren't going to go away. If you push this muh rights muh limited government, don't be suprised if you find yourself under the boot of authoritarianism very soon. All the pieces are on the board already. I used to be libertarian, I joined the libertarian party in Australia. But it's all principles that get you stepped on and never get voted for. If you push for limited government, then the corporations will become the method of control. Just look at flock cameras. They're offloading the heavy lifting to corporations for legal exculpation. Or look at five eyes, because they can't spy on you they just get aus, canada, nz or the uk to do it so they aren't breaking the rules. The regime is already in place. You need to decide if you will be behind an authority that will protect white americans, or protect shitskins and destroy you.
