>President Donald Trump said Friday that he could soon declare the Strait of Hormuz “a territory of the United States,” an extraordinary remark as he touted U.S. military control of the critical waterway during the war with Iran.>“After we finish defeating Iran, which is being very badly defeated, pretty soon I’ll be declaring the Hormuz Strait a territory of the United States,” Trump said during remarks at the David S. Mack Center for Training and Intelligence in Nassau County, New York.>The president also said he has used the military “a little bit more than I wanted to” but argued pressure on Tehran is necessary to prevent the Iranian regime from obtaining a nuclear weapon.https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/iran-war-trump-strait-of-hormuz-08-14-26
>>540798145He's got full blown jewbris now.
>>540798145>prevent the Iranian regime from obtaining a nuclear weaponthats pissn'trael's problem, not ours
>>540798145I don't think anyone takes American word seriously anymore at this point complete lose of aura
>>540798145he really does believe that his followers are retarded doesnt he
>>540798580Well they are following your lead so I think the best thing for both parties is just going their own way. Right?
>>540798145This demented faggot should be mumbling this nonsense to a nurse at a care home not announcing it to the world as though it's a serious policy. America is enacting King Lear at this point.
>>540798580youll niggas broke that orange buck. whatever you got him on tape doing must be horrific
>>540798145>After we finish defeating Iranlmao
>>540798145Based. Take their water.
Loudmouth bragging is what his idiot base eats up the most
>>540798145>territory of the United StatesWill that open the strait?
His fall is legendary. From people waiting in line for hours to hear him speak, to people laughing at each lie that comes out of his mouth. Truly worthy of a case study in blowing your goodwill.
>>540798603Do you share the classified US information with Iran to prove that voting for Trump was wrong?
>>540798735Do you share the classified US information with Iran to avenge your shameful defeat in the presidential election?
>>540798765Do you share the classified US information with Iran to ensure his fall?
>>540798851Why, are you seeking americans selling state secrets on 4chan for your country Sergeï?
It's all just market manipulation. He knows what he's saying is bullshit. His only concern is enriching himself and his family.
>>540798580Err... I hate to say it but Iran isn't really doing much other than occasionally firing on ships that cause minor damage as they pass through the straight. They really don't have control over anything, they're just using terrorism.The U.S. on the other hand, even with an aircraft carrier that has extreme morale issues, sailors jumping overboard, and a brawl that left 7 dead, has effectively still managed to blockade Iran's ports, effectively destroying their economy even more. Honestly, Trump appears more credible than Iran right now, despite all his obvious flaws.
>>540798854damn i don't know what hot chicks did to deserve never being allowed on TV or in movies ever again, but we need end whatever this era is if you edited the hair off this chick it would just be a guy
>>540799085You either don't understand the equation or don't present it for ideological reasons so i'll lay it out for you the way i see it. The equation is as follows:Iran is in a reactive posture. Its reach and attacking capacity is considerably limited therefore it acts as a poisonous frog atop your treasure with you having nothing but your hands to remove it from there.Iran already bombed the military assets worth bombing and within reach in its vicinity, namely, the surrounding bases and contested access to the world policy to one of the key straits its marines is tasked with safeguarding, by doing so, it's baiting you into a situation where the only solution is humiliation and a denial of a consequential area from your zone of influence or massive military commitment.In the few months that saw direct military action, a few things happened. 25% of your MQ-9 reaper drone fleet was lost. Nearly all surrounding bases became unfit for use and a huge portion of your interceptors, missile stockpiles and radar systems was blown out. In addition to that, you came to the understanding that the three estimates you and Israel had of Iranian missile stockpiles, the low, the likely and the high were all wrong as they fired throughout this conflict slightly more than the high estimate without toning down their posture. The new estimate is now double that, and even it is likely wrong. The reality is that we simply don't know. In addition to that, shaheds proved to be far more problematic than initially thought even in a limited non ground war. Add to that the fact that this war which was largely shilled by some gulf monarchies put them in a situation where they now beg you to do the opposite. The UAE is the key producer of ultra high purity aluminum after China along and exports nearly all of its production to the US to sustain your need for it which involves electronics, jet fighters and stealth bombers. Their facility was hit before the ceasefire.. (continuing)
>>540799085>>540799643... (continuing), in addition to that those gold countries also rely on desalination plants to survive and many were already hit. If all are destroyed which Iran can very well do at any time they wish to use that leverage, chaos ensues in your vassal states. Finally, you're left with no good choice other than to put all your chips on the table and bring all your weight through a land invasion which would prove far more disastrous and consequential in a negative way than even Russia's war in Ukraine.
>>540798145Pretty ballsy for a guy that hides in a fucking vending machine.
>>540799643I understand better than you apparently. You can talk about all the punching back Iran has done, but they've suffered a lot more damage than anything they've dished out to the United States, and now they're in a situation where they have no workarounds. I guess the one thing they have going for them is that their IRGC leadership is made up of terrorist sociopaths who care more about ideology than the suffering of their country, but they're in a much worse situation than the United States and their gulf allies. Keep ignoring that and gloat that this wasn't the easy victory the U.S. was hoping for if you want, but that doesn't change the fact they've been absolutely decimated, and we've killed more of their top brass than they've killed of our grunts.Say what you will about Trump switching planes, but at least he's appeared in public as something other than a framed picture, unlike the Iranian's dipshit 'supreme leader'.
>>540798145Oh no, the instant he does this, Iran will invade America.We can’t just let Iran get away with invading America.
>>540798145Why does Trump always say the most retarded shit on fridays?
>>540799803Market manipulation It’s so blatant at this point
Hormuz is Arabic for Ormus, alchemical gold, which is created by art from baser elements. Much like oil is distilled and calcinated and digested into a million more valuable forms, including pharmaceuticals, reagents, plastics, and of course fuels and lubricants.It's fascinating. Ormus. And this little body of water, named after gold (specifically ALCHEMICAL gold) in ancient times, keeps true to its name even today. Of course back then it was all about the spices, resins, gems and wild animals, etc. But it's truly the same now.
>>540798145Kek when millions of Omani sandniggers declare they are American citizens and get SNAPgibbz
>>540799744>a land invasion would prove disasterousIran doesn't have the ability to track moving targets to the level they can bomb known GPS coordinates. If the U.S. invaded Iran to full capacity they have 0 conventional military to repel that. They'd fall as fast as Baghdad in 2003, leaving a giant mess that we'd presumably have to occupy, wasting money and resources. I say we go in, knock down the regime, then leave the Iranians to their own devices while occasionally bombing them like we did ISIS.
>>5407990855 ships went through the straight yesterday, compared to 300 a day before the orange nigger started the war
>>540799939That's how terrorism works. The ships that have gone through and were attacked only suffered minor damage.
>>540799788This is what Fox News does to the boomer brain. Scary stuff.
>>540800041This is what entertainment media does to your brain. Scary stuff.Fox News sucks too though, I agree.
>lol
>>540799788its the most pointless war since iraq
>>540799788>but they've suffered a lot more damage than anything they've dished out to the United States, and now they're in a situation where they have no workarounds. IIf you say that, it means that you actually don't understand the situation, and i'll expalin why and how, and i'll welcome your opinion on that.First, on the "more damage suffered". This means nothing about their ability to sustain this situation, their defiance, or anything at all. Never did it ever mean anything in an ongoing war unless the damage sustained makes the party that endured it unfit to continue the conflict. In this case, it isn't. Their country's ability to sustain the conflict and even the people's support is left largely untouched and arguably higher than before the war. Their missile capacity is expected to be back at the pre war levels by the start 2027 if you don't push them to overuse them, and they're contesting the very foundation of the pax americana (the american world order) by denying commercial ships they don't allow or that don't pay a toll to pass the strait and state that they'll use the toll as a compensation for the damages caused by the operation.If you call it there, and pack up your bags, you're conceding your status as the policeman of the world and guardian of oceans without having:1/ destroyed their missile program2/ retaken the uranium3/ removed the revolutionary guards nor the mullahs from powerIf not, it means that the ball is on your side and you need to figure out a way to go for the next round in a way that should prove to be more effective than the first, without exhausting some of your military resources and in a determining way because the Iranians seem to be very confident of their capacity at dragging you into a war of attrition they believe they can win.So no, you have no workaround, not them. You started a war, you're undecided about what to do about it now, they didn't comply with any of your demands and they now control the strait.
>>540800179Pointless how? Iran has been a thorn in the side of the civilized world for over 40 years now. They've been funding terror groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis that have been major destabilizing forces in that region of the world and a threat to our national interests. An armed conflict with them was inevitable and the longer we waited the more challenging it would be. That stupid deal Obama made was not negotiated from a position of strength, and it did nothing to address Iran's funding of terror groups. Regardless of whether it was 'pointless' or not, we need to defeat Iran's IRGC to restore stability to the region. Think of it as an investment.
>>540800216you suck so hard at trying to gaslight
>>540798145try to convince me again that this isn't a>kayfabe manufactured conflict with managed outcomes
>>540800320It's because i don't. I'm laying out an argument in a factual non sophistic way. I welcome you tackling the substance of what i said rather than taking a jab at my intents.
Fucking finally
>>540800216>Their country's ability to sustain the conflict and even the people's support is left largely untouched and arguably higher than before the war.>Their country's ability to sustain the conflict and even the people's support is left largely untouched and arguably higher than before the war.Their people just want the conflict to end, the majority of them. If the U.S. invades they will not resist; if they were capable of fighting they would have overthrown the IRGC years ago, they have no real loyalty to them.>Their missile capacity is expected to be back at the pre war levels by the start 2027 if you don't push them to overuse them, and they're contesting the very foundation of the pax americana (the american world order) by denying commercial ships they don't allow or that don't pay a toll to pass the strait and state that they'll use the toll as a compensation for the damages caused by the operation.Right now the U.S. has more control over ships accessing the strait than Iran does, and has disabled ships trying to go to Iranian ports. In the meantime, options for workarounds to the strait are being exercised which, while not perfect, will reduce the economic damage Iran can dish out through their terrorism. And again, the strait being closed is harming their economy a LOT more than the U.S.'s (we just hit record high stocks again recently).>If you call it there, and pack up your bags, you're conceding your status as the policeman of the world and guardian of oceans without having:1/ destroyed their missile program2/ retaken the uranium3/ removed the revolutionary guards nor the mullahs from powerWe don't have to do anything yet. We can blockade their ports, further degrading their economy, temporarily removing forces from bases that are obvious targets while rebuilding stockpiles and adjusting our tactics. (to be continued)
>>540800306>Iran has been a thorn in the side of the civilized world for over 40 years nowwho cares? I dont care. Its just boomer propaganda slop.
>>540800306Those are only labelled "terror groups" because they oppose the world's foremost terrorist state, Israel. Israel has gone full mask off with their genocidal intentions, and anyone opposing them are legitimate freedom fighters.
>>540800430>First, on the "more damage suffered". This means nothing about their ability to sustain this situation, their defiance, or anything at all. wrong.>Their country's ability to sustain the conflict and even the people's support is left largely untouched and arguably higher than before the war. false>Their missile capacity is expected to be back at the pre war levels by the start 2027 if you don't push them to overuse them, yeah that totally wont be bombed>and they're contesting the very foundation of the pax americana (the american world order) by denying commercial ships they don't allow or that don't pay a toll to pass the strait and state that they'll use the toll as a compensation for the damages caused by the operation.no more effective than somali pirates>If you call it there, and pack up your bags, you're conceding your status as the policeman of the world and guardian of oceans without having:>1/ destroyed their missile program>2/ retaken the uranium>3/ removed the revolutionary guards nor the mullahs from poweryou dont make the rules faggot thats just your gay nigger opinion>If not, it means that the ball is on your side and you need to figure out a way to go for the next round in a way that should prove to be more effective than the first, without exhausting some of your military resources and in a determining way because the Iranians seem to be very confident of their capacity at dragging you into a war of attrition they believe they can win.wrong, just need to keep it up as is.>So no, you have no workaround, not them. You started a war, you're undecided about what to do about it now, they didn't comply with any of your demands and they now control the strait.go gaslight yourself faggottheresoviet nigger jew all your delusions refuted
>>540800216And seeing has how several border countries to Iran just formed a World War I style alliance that Iran has already attacked since then, it wouldn't be hard for the U.S. to stage a ground invasion attacking from multiple sides. You can say we have no workaround and are undecided but think about it, why would we openly state what our strategies are? Situations on the battlefield change all the time in war, and it would be foolish to telegraph what we plan to do.That said, the sensationalist news media (and this applies to both sides) will say anything to appeal to their fan base. And right now the media tends to hate President Trump (not that his antics do him any good, I frequently criticize him for that) so they're spinning whatever narrative they can.
>>540800573What precisely did we gain here?
>>540800515You aren't capable of forming a coherent argument.>>540800547Israel has more bloodlust than I'd prefer and their settlements in the middle of the desert are retarded. But they're at least a somewhat modernized country that doesn't stone people to death for not following Sharia (or Kosher) law. They're an important strategic partner to the U.S. in that region of the world.
>>540800676
>>540800688>You aren't capable of forming a coherent argument.No argument is necessary, the war is stupid, you are stupid.
>>540798677he's doing what he was hired to do, be a clown entertainerthis is just daily dose of distractionevery time when they say it's not about oil, it's about oilthe prices will stay high because that's what his owners paid for
>>540800713That's not what I asked you.What did we, as taxpayers, gain?
>>540800808more influence over hormuz than russia has over donbass or china has over taiwan...relevance aside from moving the goal post?
>>540800808You made Israel happy, isnt that enough?
>>540800688muh strategic parasite, greatest ally.
>>540799751
>>540798145so every shitskin and jamboy traveling on a boat crossing the gay of trump needs an visa and background check because he is entering the usa?
>>540798145And then all the occupants become citizens, lmao. And you guys thought jeets were bad.
>>540800506>Their people just want the conflict to end, the majority of them. If the U.S. invades they will not resistI believe both takes are ridiculously wrong and i suspect you to already know that by now and to only instrument what i view as outright lies to push your narrative, but since i cannot demonstrate it, it's useless to push back on that angle.>Right now the U.S. has more control over ships accessing the strait than Iran does, and has disabled ships trying to go to Iranian ports. In the meantime, options for workarounds to the strait are being exercised which, while not perfect, will reduce the economic damage Iran can dish out through their terrorism. And again, the strait being closed is harming their economy a LOT more than the U.S.'s (we just hit record high stocks again recently).Rightly said. You're in a faceoff with a two way blockade and you're trying to limit your kinetic involvement as much as possible while hoping that diverting trade as much as possible in a long term effort and denying Iran access on the southern side of its maritime area would make it surrender, neither of which i view as ensuring that you prevail, but they're points in favor of it potentially happening.The question now is, why didn't you do that from the start? And since you didn't do that from the start, why didn't you finish the job in a kinetic militaristic way rather than proceed the way you do? Ask yourself those two questions with an honest heart, because, if you had proceeded that way, you would still impose that blockade without the Iranians daring to directly attack you. The relativistic risk of doing so would be even higher than it is now.
>>540798145The Strait of America will soon be liberated!
>>540800955>The question now is, why didn't you do that from the start?im sorry is t hat not exactly what has been going on this entire time or did you confuse your alternate reality with this one again?
>>540798652You realize that Israel is like 1/3 muslim and 20% Russian?That is why there is a lot of confusingly antisemitic and antiwestern posts from those flags
>>540800506>We don't have to do anything yet. We can blockade their ports, further degrading their economy, temporarily removing forces from bases that are obvious targets while rebuilding stockpiles and adjusting our tactics.Yes, this is how you'll try to proceed now. Whether it yields better results than your first attempt is far from guaranteed, but it also means that you tried an approach that was excessively draining to your resources while proving unconclusive and had to change course with two options on the table, either overcommitting or undercommitting and you decided to undercommit with the hope that time will eventually favor you. The chain of events i'm presenting to you delivers information beyond the mere succession of events it entails.>And seeing has how several border countries to Iran just formed a World War I style alliance that Iran has already attacked since then, it wouldn't be hard for the U.S. to stage a ground invasion attacking from multiple sides.On that angle too, i think you're mistaken. Aside from the small monarchies of the gulf which are inept at war, none want to see Iran politically and institutionally collapse, none want migrants, rise of small terrorist groups, minorities claiming a new kurdistan or whatever and instability in their vicinity. Not Pakistan, not Afghanistan, not Turkey, not Iraq, not Tadijikistan, and not even Azerbaijan who has long territorial disputes with Iran.>You can say we have no workaround and are undecided but think about it, why would we openly state what our strategies are?I'm not hinting at a lack of strategic thinking but at a change of strategy during the heat of the situation after failing at imposing your will with your first strategy
>>540798671the Emperor has no cloths
>>540800783>War is stupidMaybe, but it's kind of how humans operate. And humans can be pretty stupid. Still, war is less stupid than the idea that socialism can ever work. Imaging thinking a society of forced cooperation where the strongest, most capable members are forced to provide for the least productive.>>540800955>I believe both takes are ridiculously wrong and i suspect you to already know that by now and to only instrument what i view as outright lies to push your narrative, but since i cannot demonstrate it, it's useless to push back on that angle.Bombing over 100 school girls by mistake was bad, I don't deny that. Deliberately killing over 40,000 citizens for protesting against the IRGC is probably worse for rallying the people's support.>Rightly said. You're in a faceoff with a two way blockade and you're trying to limit your kinetic involvement as much as possible while hoping that diverting trade as much as possible in a long term effort and denying Iran access on the southern side of its maritime area would make it surrender, neither of which i view as ensuring that you prevail, but they're points in favor of it potentially happening.But without the economic impact Iran has essentially lost the only thing they have leverage over. And they're not just pissing off the U.S., they're pissing off pretty much every country in the world that's negatively impacted. The U.S. isn't preventing Hormuz traffic, only traffic going to Iran. Iran are the bad guys in all of this.>The question now is, why didn't you do that from the start?They wrongly assumed Iran would capitulate. In hindsight that was obviously an error. But the reason we didn't start with that was because Iran would have then had the military capacity to threaten our ships with their conventional military, something they don't have anymore. And if it was up to me, I would finish the job. But Trump, in one of his severe personality faults (to be continued).
>>540801131>Whether it yields better results than your first attempt is far from guaranteedyeah we are unlikely to kill another ayatollah no matter how gay that faggot is...>>540801131>I'm not hinting at a lack of strategic thinking but at a change of strategy during the heat of the situation after failing at imposing your will with your first strategyif killing the ayatollah isnt "imposing your will" then wtf is
>>540798145It is "very badly" for the entire world because isreal is a cunt.
>>540798603>he really does believe that his followers are retarded doesnt heHe thinks his followers are equivalent of the Uruk-hai from LOTR
>>540800955Trump, in one of his severe personality faults, talked shit about Jimmy Carter for being weak, then talked shit about Bush for getting us into a 'forever war' something he won't do. His ego screwed him over because now no matter what he does he's going to look dumb. What he should do is finish the job, even if it means 'ok I lied, we're going to war now' and deal with the backlash which is unavoidable at this point, then after Tehran falls like Baghdad hope the timing is right where he can gloat and still come out ahead in the Midterms. It's sad, Trump has done a lot of good things, but his ego and his narcissism have eclipsed all of it and it's completely his fault. But after the Iran situation is over (assuming it ends well) OPEC is effectively splintered which is honestly a huge win for the rest of the world.
>>540801025>im sorry is t hat not exactly what has been going on this entire time or did you confuse your alternate reality with this one again?No, it's not at all what has been going this entire time. This is a radical shift in your approach to the war.At first, you tried leveraging a large scale kinetic operation that emptied the bulk of your stockpiles of interceptors in about a month, only to change course, seek a ceasefire which you got with China's and Pakistan's intermediation and implement this new approach to the war.
>>540801173>Maybe, but it's kind of how humans operate. And humans can be pretty stupid. Still, war is less stupid than the idea that socialism can ever work. Imaging thinking a society of forced cooperation where the strongest, most capable members are forced to provide for the least productive.holy shit you are an idiot
>>540801310>narrative craft copedismissed faggot slavnigger
>>540800883>>540800883Any chance we can make a trade deal to get you to stop caring about politics and go to videogames that is actually your speed?
>>540801090So 30% muslim and 20% russian you truly believe that israel demographic is comprised of that? Serbia truly is retarded.
>>540801173IT IS MASS MURDERING CIVILIANS YOU CANNOT GO ON TV PUT ON A SATANS SMILE LIKE NETANYAHU AND SAY "OH WELL MAYBE YOU DO THE WORK FOR US:"
>>540801292Most of what you say is sound but i think you severely understate the scale cost and sacrifices that would be faced to achieve the objectives you outline, and i'm not necessarily just talking about deaths or lost equipment but on a more hollistic way where feedback loops inflate each other and where the economy and relative position in the faceoff against China also suffer from it.What i disagree the most with is the statement that Trump would face the same level of unpopularity as he does now and i think he's well aware of that and thus refrains from total military commitment.
>>540798145Literally lost his fucking mind Jesus Christ. 25th amendment this retard out of there.
>>540799856Dude WEED.
>>540801173All the migger boomer talking points with a side of trying to seem sympathetic to children being bombed. Im surprised ypu dont celebrate it like the rest of your kin
Trump at this point
>>540800870>moving the goalpostsThe "as taxpayers" is for your benefit, it's not a movement of the goalposts, since you seem to think the military objectives constitute a gain for you. Before this little tiff we didn't even NEED to "control the strait".
>>540801701you seem to imply there is only value if you get a special gift as a result, are you a slavic cargo cult nigger?
>>540801173>Bombing over 100 school girls by mistake was bad, I don't deny that. Deliberately killing over 40,000 citizens for protesting against the IRGC is probably worse for rallying the people's support.I would argue that the whole premise and intentions of the war are wrong and that all Iranian casualties were a crime, not just the 100 school girl bombing. On the protester killing, i agree with you, but your number is wrong. It's the product of your state propaganda, and i can lay out with a lot of detail in what manner it is. Even if you're unaware of those details, from the way you speak, i can guess that you're too smart to fully believe the lie, so i'll take a guess and assume you choose to. The death toll was almost exclusively reported by the HRANA or Human Rights Activists News Agency which is an entity based in Virginia with close ties with the CIA and largely made up of politically motivated exile friends of the Shah who came in your country after the revolution.The other group, and actually the first one to give this fabricated, unsubstantiated and outright invented number is the Mujahid E Khalq who are a communist / fundamentalist extremist faction that works like a sect and carries out assassinations of their own members.I will not agree further with you that point unless your provide additional information. I only care to share what i know. If you persist in believing that line of thought, or at least, in defending it, i cannot say more than i already did.
>>540801472>i think you severely understate the scale cost and sacrifices that would be faced to achieve the objectives you outlineEver heard of D Day? Yeah, it'd suck, but again, Iran has no conventional military capabilities to repel an invasion. They have acts of terrorism but that wouldn't be able to stop the unrestrained U.S. military in a large-scale attack.>What i disagree the most with is the statement that Trump would face the same level of unpopularity as he does now and i think he's well aware of that and thus refrains from total military commitment.I guess we'll see what he's made of then. I don't think he's stupid, but his ego and public persona are such hindrances to his potential that it makes me sick. The fact he doesn't seem to realize how much the media weaponizes it to rally up his haters is borderline (and using that adjective is generous) idiocy. I guess we'll see, but I stand by what I said, Iran is in a much worse position now than the U.S., even if they are successful in 'controlling' the strait and charging tolls. They've been damaged significantly and are facing economic collapse which honestly, cooperating with the U.S. would alleviate significantly a lot faster. But their leadership are hard line sociopaths who's egos quite frankly dwarf Trumps, they're just more calculated and tactful in how they present themselves.
>>540801827iran has been playing i'm not touching you like a shcoolgirl faggot for half a century nigger, you are terrible at this and sound like a fart sniffer who thinks he is smart, a wannabe solyovov but probably shorter
>>540801779>ad homsSalty.there's simply no point in supporting combat operations that don't actually serve the populace.
>>540801929killing people who chant death to america doesnt serve the populace?
Muss
>>540801173>But without the economic impact Iran has essentially lost the only thing they have leverage over. And they're not just pissing off the U.S., they're pissing off pretty much every country in the world that's negatively impacted. The U.S. isn't preventing Hormuz traffic, only traffic going to Iran. Iran are the bad guys in all of this.That's not how i see it. What leverage did they have before the start of the war, i ask you? None. You're minimizing the scale of their current leverage, but they didn't have any at the start of the war which warrants a question, why was the war started? We're at a point where you're defending a change in the course of action to switch to a more laid back stance after trying to break them with full on kinetic force and explaining that their leverage over the strait doesn't amount to much compared to yours, ok. But you do realize that the leverage they have has now increased, not decreased. Before the war, they were facing civil unrest, economic hardship, and rotting from inside with no disruption of global shipping or destruction of middle eastern refineries, oil production sites, desalination plants and high purity alluminum production hubs.
>>540798603He doesn't think, he knows
>>540801966>We should kill them because they're buttmadThis place can't be an existential threat AND a weak desert shithole. Pick ONE.
>>540801895Even if it could be done the political cost for doing a ground invasion against Iran would be so high I think it'd actually kill the GOP for good and the Trump family would just be pure poison by association at that point. Then there's the practical issues of having to occupy a country of 90 million after the war is over because if it can't be done, it'd turn into a full blown regional conflict in which more lives and political capital have to be spent containing it.
>>540800014>only suffered minor damage.That's according to the Emiratis, so should probably be taken with a grain of salt.
>>540801992as i recall there was surprise strikes targeting nuke program ayatollah and munitions stockpiles which persisted and still persist...where does this myth that anything in that regard has changed?>>540802021ah but it can nigger now go visit the region and show your passport and get back to me.
Keep blockading them. Starve em.
>>540798145is isreal winnin', son?
>>540801992>why was the war started? We're at a point where you're defending a change in the course of action to switch to a more laid back stance after trying to break them with full on kinetic force and explaining that their leverage over the strait doesn't amount to much compared to yours, ok. But you do realize that the leverage they have has now increased, not decreased. Before the war, they were facing civil unrest, economic hardship, and rotting from inside with no disruption of global shipping or destruction of middle eastern refineries, oil production sites, desalination plants and high purity alluminum production hubs.They weren't actively blocking Hormuz. But as I pointed out they still were, and have been, a thorn in the side of the civilized world for over 40 years. They've been directly funding terror groups (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) and getting rid of that funding would significantly weaken the standing of terror groups throughout the region. It was wrong to assume it would be a quick win, but the reasons for attacking Iran remain justified. Unfortunately, it will be a longer, more drawn out conflict that will require a much greater effort and sacrifice on the part of the U.S.
>>540802075Speaking of niggers, that represents a much greater existential threat; one that will chant for your death AND is in reach to enact it. BUt these goatfuckers on the other side of the planet though, that's the threat that needs handling
>>540802075>now go visit the regionWhy would he have to do that? Are you implying that willingly picking fights with sandniggers is an argument as to why they're a thorn to America?
>>540802191niggers dont typically organize into terror groups and stockpile missiles and try to develop nukes ...you dont whatabouting yet?
>>540801895>Ever heard of D Day? Yeah, it'd suck, but again, Iran has no conventional military capabilities to repel an invasion.You're nothing like the America of the 40s. Your willingness to endure human loss was significantly higher, your entire nation was strongly politically motivated and in large parts ideologically alligned in that sense, mobilizing wasn't a problem back then and your production lines made relatively incredibly cheap weapons that could be manufactured at scale. Not only that, but you were sitting on an enormous pile of cash and your economy amounted for half of that of the rest of the world combined with none of the structural issues it faces today and no such debt. You want to die on the Iranian hill? So be it, you guarantee yourself a win against Iran by doing so, but as i stated before, you're going out of this total d-day style war another country and the only winners are China and Israel for different reasons. And after that, in all likeliness, that mountainous desert would still slip away within a decade or so of that costly campaign.
>>540802219the point is he thinks he has a chose but they chose long ago that he is their enemy
>>540802055>I think it'd actually kill the GOP for goodIt'd kill Trump politically for good maybe. But you underestimate just how stupid Democrats are too. Remember, gas prices were higher under Biden and Obama without adjusting for inflation, and they even stated that they want higher gas prices to speed along green energy. The Republicans will never be killed for good as long as the Democrats are there to counter-balance them with their even more insane brand of idiocy.>It'd turn into a full blown regional conflict in which more lives and political capital have to be spent containing it.Yep. Just like ISIS in Iraq, but we've gotten a lot better at dealing with ISIS-type terrorists. They never had the resources of a nation-state though, which is what we're dealing with now in Iran.
>>540801173It was 70000 vaporised by AK-47 you holocaust denier.
>>540798145Sad. Can't wait for China to declare that Taiwan, Hawaii and the Gulf of Mexico are Chinese territories.
>>540802226>don't typically organize into terror groupsHairsplitting a bit, aren't we? Floyd's Summer of Love did more damage to the homeland than Iran ever has
>>540802334>comparing blm to hamas et alkys.
>>540802258The invasion and destruction of Iran would have consequences that go far beyond just gas prices. I think you underestimate just how bad a full blown regional conflict would be for everyone involved.
>>540802133>They weren't actively blocking Hormuz. But as I pointed out they still were, and have been, a thorn in the side of the civilized world for over 40 years. They've been directly funding terror groups (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) and getting rid of that funding would significantly weaken the standing of terror groups throughout the region. It was wrong to assume it would be a quick win, but the reasons for attacking Iran remain justified.I don't think i can agree with that either. Whether you believe in that or just use it for justification's sake i don't know but it is blatant propaganda.At many times throughout their history, they were favorable to better terms with the US. The one politically motivated in antagonizing the other isn't them, it's you. The JCPOA deal essentially settled the nuclear issue only for Trump to get rid of it for the only sake of engineering the conditions for the casus balli in a way that mirrors his assassination of Qassem Soleimani. At every step, he was trying to trigger a conflict and they were showing restraint.I don't view the Hezbollah either as terror groups. They were founded following the Israeli occupation of southern lebanon in the 80s and have since then only stood as an armed militia safeguarding lebanon. Their only foreign action was in the 2010s in Syria, and that was to pushback ISIS and Al Qaeda.
>>540802368>They're only terrorists if they're dunecoons!Really nigger
>>540802555you know there is a difference of scale and intensity but are playing dumb. i hope.
>>540802249Nobody's arguing whether or not Iran's salty about America. What's important is if there's legitimate reason to suspect that they're going to be an imminent enough danger to us that military action is actually justifiable.
>>540802601>scale and intensityWere you in a coma for 2020? Terrorists would CREAM their turbans for that kind of reach across the country
>>540802719yes actual terrorist would do great harm with such. retard.
>>540802368BLM was a terrorist organization.
>>540802766And oddly, they don't or more likely can't.Which begs the question again-- was this business with Iran even necessary?
This guy is a fucking retard. It needs to be drafted to the UN and approved by the UN, much like his Gulf of Mexico rhetoric.
>>540802667>What's important is if there's legitimate reason to suspect that they're going to be an imminent enough danger to us that military action is actually justifiable.That's what's important to you. Not what's important to your politicians. What's important to them is whether they will sit as a thorn on the side of Israel if they ever try to materialize expansionist ambitions in the region and the answer is yes, so it is thus necessary to get rid of the issue at first. There is otherwise no logical explanation as to how any opportunity at improving bilateral relations was either thrown in the bin or only used as temporary leverage to trick and backstab them afterward.
>>540802368>>comparing blm to hamas et alPersonally I wouldn't compare the 2 groups because one is a totally insane murderous group of deranged lunatics gassed up by propaganda and funded by kikesThe other is Hamas.
>>540802788so is antifa do either compare to hamas or hezbolah? no.>>540802842kek
>>540798145It's gonna be so funny when he officially changes the name to the Strait of America.
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>>540798391It’s starting to be our problem. I see why they hate us now.
>>540803181Chickens coming home to roost, unfortunately
>>540802788Youre an obese dysgenic virgin. Your opinion holds no value.
>>540798603They demonstrably are? And the rest of the mutts just continue to do nothing except bitch online.
>>540799788/k/ike or boomer? I cannot believe anyone with an internet connection could believe this silly shit.
> The president also said he has used the military “a little bit more than I wanted to” Holy shit we are so fucked
pretty sure Iran won't care.
>>540798145based. fuck muslims
>>540803634Whenever I see that jak I almost piss myself laughing.
>>540802918i'm sitting here laughing about google having to change it on the map like the gulf of america, lol.
>>540800787Exactly. All according to plan.
Alchemical gold. You nitwits are all pinheads. Ormus.
>>540801292Lmao you're not putting together a massive ground invasion and toppling Tehran before the midterms. That's pure migger delusion.
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>>540798145Hormussy status?
i literally dont care if Iran has a nuclear weapon,
>>540800495literal glownigger meme
So he can use nukes to defend US territory.
>>540798145Trump is helping those "Muslim" countries to develop themselves.
>>540806331Memes can move now
>>540806387Take a guessy.
>>540798145why the harmus?because before a birth, the canal has be breached by the placenta and water breaking.but the breach has to be from within, not from without.in order for a natural birth, but if the birth takes too long, both the mother and the child end up at risk, so sometimes, a caesarean procedure (C-section) is enacted, and the son is excised from the womb (a very dangerous procedure)so, in order to prevent such an act, the masons in the west are trying to encourage the son to "harmus" and break out, but if we remember the traits most G.A.T.E. children had, we should remember that complications at birth are common, and that the mother suffers from them.tough luck, but you'll need a delicate surgeon to help you carry out that C-section, unless you are willing to risk the mothers life, i'm quite sure the son is willing to risk his own in this ritual birth, and this cycle will repeat forever.
>>540799789this is quite an unforeseen turn of events.
>>540798145Hes already been trying to prove its defacto under US control. He has failed. What the fuck would declaring it US territory do? At the end of the day he has to prove he can open it which means eliminating every single small group of guys in those mountains who might have a missile or drone.
>>540801147>the Emperor has no clothshe's such a humble ruler, living frugallywe should be more like him
>>540807226Good morning, sir.
>>540798145Go Trump!Destroy the evil Iranian regime ruled by cavemen.Retards who simp for the regime are truly subhuman.
>>540798603Is he wrong?
>>540798145Remember when Trump fearlessly walked into North Korea, and everyone cheered. That's the kind of leader we need. Trump should swim to Hormuz and meet with the leader of Iran one-on-one. While ship captains are waiting to pass through the straights, maybe they would like to lose a few dollars at a Trump casino. Maybe Trumps daughter would like to live on Kharg island.
>>540798145lol let him defend it
Around day 60 the US public stop caring about the conflict. They should have used nuclear/chemical weapons at that point to kill off large portions of Iran's civilian population, just hollow out the country. If you are going to kill, kill.
>>540798145>>President Donald Trump said Friday that he could soon declare the Strait of Hormuz “a territory of the United States”
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>>540810189At Genesis and Genetics, we have examined Y-chromosome genomes searching for Noah and his three sons, Ham, Japheth, and Shem. They were easy to find. According to our analysis, if you have the rs17306671 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide A you are from Shem. If you have the rs9786139 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide A you are from Ham. If you have the rs3900 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide G you are from Japheth. If you are a woman, you will have to check your father’s y-chromosome. Women don’t have the y-chromosome.
>>540799912>They'd fall as fast as Baghdad in 2003You are delusional.
>>540798145Iran being the 51st state, would give them 2 senators and a lot of representatives in the house.Can we do this before the mid-terms?
>>540798145The strait of Hormuz was promised to the (((US))) 3000 years ago
>>540800688Just admit israel is a terrorist state.Their first leader was an irgun terroristIrgun did terrorist attacks against British soldiers.They bombed the king david hotel.The state of israel is only sovereign because of terrorism.By all objective metrics israel has always been a terrorist state.Not to mention the stuff they're doing no with bioweapons (mass immigration) and attempting a two front genocide of both Palestinians and Whites.
>>540798145>which is being very badly defeatedtwo more weeks?
>>540798145When is the world going to grow some fucking balls and tell this buffoon to fuck right off?
>>540798603I believe it too
>>540811931When there's a better option than noeliberal fuckwits.
>>540798145I CLAPPEDHAVA NAGILA HAVAA
>>540798145Another commie circle jerk
>>540812083>noeliberal fuckwitsYeah, pal, there sure are some fuckwits around.At least the neoliberal fuckwits that took us into all the previous wars actually HAD intellect and could use it, however nefariously.Trump is simply a man-child fuckwit, being led around by Israel by his massive ego. He is literally walking the world into WW3 with zero fucking plan.
>>540798603>he really does believe that his followers are retarded doesnt heCorrection. He KNOWS his followers are retarded.
>declare an area you cannot get closer than 4000 miles to you own territoryThat will work.
>>540798603Do you even need to ask that question, considering /ptg/ exists
The Strait of America is under attack, launch da nooks!
>>540798603Well..is he wrong?
>>540811931Dollars to donuts that thing is SEN.SI.TIVE!! Mine is pretty long n thikk but it takes long time to squirt. But can you imagine? All the same nerves! All the same spots! ALL BUNDLED TOGETHER!! IN OBE CUTE SUCK-ABLE LIL PACKAGE!
>>540799788Can't be real person, bot?
This man fucked up his whole legacy for no reason. All for Israel…
>>540798145Trump wonned bigly! Ultra MAGA.
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>>540798145does that mean that every child born at the Strait of Hurmuz would be a US citizen
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>>540798580>aurapoo-jew detected
