Do you think the Left will ever move away from individualistic, hyper liberal identity politics and reembrace class, economics, and historical materialism as their guiding principles?
>>540828462>>>/lgbt/
>>540828462No.
>>540828462They never embraced those things to begin with, communists are all lying faggots
>>540828462conservatism and individualism are incompatible with one another, and also incompatible with the forces of capitalism. do you understand how retarded all of this is?
>>540828462>leftism>individualistic
>>540828462>Do you think the Left will ever move away from individualistic, hyper liberal identity politics and reembrace class, economics, and historical materialism as their guiding principles?idk. Haz Al-DIn is trying to do that with his American Communist Party, but I don't think he will succeed.Most communists nowadays don't t even want to work or serve in the army like you would in a communist state. They support communism, because they think they will get UBI-style free money without working that way
>>540828625>conservatism and individualism are incompatible with one anotherWhat's a farmer then?
The left today uses liberalism as optics to gaslight the right. If you go to any DSA meeting all they talk about is class
>>540828625My bad i thoughts you was arguing for it lol
>>540828754individualism allows for the abandonment of tradition. we see this when the grandchildren of farmers sell the family farm to data center developers or big jewish corporate farms.
>>540828754A multi millionaire who employs thousands of Mexicans
>>540828823Ya but conservativism and individualism can be compatible. My land owners who lived rural lifestyle preserved land for generations. It's more common to keep the land than sell.
>>540828827Wouldn't that be a confederate tradition kek?
>>540828633Contemporary "Left wing" identity politics is preoccupied with the self, self-expression, self-realization, self-actualization. Its liberal primacy of the individual.In actual left wing thought the individual is an ideological construct of capitalism.
>>540828462This is antisemetic
>>540828462Yes. Only socialists care like mamdani.
>>540828462>eembrace sacrificing everything for israelftfy
>>540828462Together, comrades!
>>540828462Not really, they are married to the arts
>>540829661literally they are anti-individualistic, they rely on the state for fucking eveythingfood, healthcare, housing
>>540829661You're describing liberalism you stupid muslim-jeet inbred
>>540828823Burkean conservatism views people as self-orientated individuals who have a poor sense of reason to keep themselves in check. This was influenced by christian "original sin" doctrine and his reflections on the revolution in France.Likewise Hobbes, another conservative thinker, thought people were inherently flawed, self-serving individuals.
>>540828462No of course not. IdPol and hating men and ethnic Europeans is their entire thing.
>>540829289Thomas Jefferson is considered the father of agrarian ideology in America. The age of independent farmers is gone because we ran out of suitable farmland to give to immigrants and settlers as incentive. We had to constantly expand and get more territory from Indians, the French and Mexico to make that work. During the depression most smallholder farms still in operation had all their land taken, and most of the farmers then were sharecroppers anyway
>>540828462>individualistic>>540829661>Contemporary "Left wing" identity politics is preoccupied with the self, self-expression, self-realization, self-actualization. Its liberal primacy of the individual.as long as your self, self-expression, self-realization and self-actualization conform with the group, otherwise they will turn on you and destroy you.
>>540829875Yes. Go back to my first post. The contemporary "left" are liberal individualists. That's my point.
>>540828462>individualistic, hyper liberal identity politicsDo Brits consider licence for using pronouns as individualistic and liberal?
>>540828462No because tribe, race, and culture are at the center of everything, and it still was when socialism was more “class based.” Back then it was just Slavic and Jewish resentment against Germans while today it’s brown resentment against whites.
>>540829953you're talking to an absolute retard who communicates memetically. he doesn't understand what the words actually mean, it's more like a child mashing on a speak-and-spell device, or a deficient chinese room thought experiment. (they don't call 'em nigger cattle for nothing.)
>>540830094What licence for pro-nouns?
>>540830163You don't know what loicence is?
>>540830146Kek if you were literally a white slave owned by a white master and working on a plantation you would fight to protect him from “resentful brown slaves” if they staged an insurrection
>>540830150Go back to my posts and highlight the problems. At the most basic level I said "do you think " the left "(note quotation marks) will shift from being preoccupied with liberal, individualistic identity politics and revert to a politics of class and economics"I cannot simplify it any further. I'm sorry if it goes over your head.>communicates memeticallyI didn't even use a single meme!
>>540828742>Most communists nowadays don't t even want to work or serve in the army like you would in a communist state.Bro, they all are desperate to fulfill their roles in communistic society. Problem is that they want to work as party poet writing poems for recovering Red Army soldiers. Most of them are hypersensitive to sound and light and can't work outside AC room.
>>540830384anon i was talking about mr. puerto rican flag who you quoted. i agree with you -- and your comments are insightful.
>>540830501Oh. OK.
>>540830337Nope because in a caste system like that the plantation owners would probably be a different race of white while the white slaves would probably be some lower race of white, so fighting for your slave caste of whites against plantation owner whites would be in your cultural and racial interests.You even saw it in the south where planters were scots and saxons while “white trash” were typically Ulster Scots.
>>540828462You frame "the Left" in you question as an identity. You need to stop that and then the conversation can proceed to economics, and historical materialism.
