It has been 5 years since the Taliban sent the muttified zogbots of America fleeing with their tails between their legs, begging the Taliban not to attack them as they evacuated the last McDonalds in Kabul.As such, I believe it is important for us to try and figure out, why? Why did America lose in Afghanistan, despite having trillions of dollars of military equipment and a claimed* superior K/D ratio? Why did America, the richest and most powerful country in the world, lose against a supposedly inferior opponent? How could US soldiers, who are fed very, very, well, lose to, in their own words, "starving goat fuckers"?Simple. Let's read along, shall we?>https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/12/world/europe/afghanistan-allies-enemies-nuristan-taliban.html>https://archive.is/9408o>The Taliban war hero scans the crowd, searching. From the back, he snatches a man with a flop of dusty hair and a face marred by shrapnel. The man’s head is bowed, and he is missing an arm and an eye. Something has happened to him, something awful. “This,” the Taliban commander says, shaking the man a bit too hard, “was the last ally of the Americans here.”>Clutching the empty arm of his jacket, the commander spins him around like a marionette. The man’s sheared limb and ragged scars tell only half the story: His family was killed next to him, massacred as they fled the Taliban.>“This man was my sworn enemy,” said the Taliban commander, Mullah Osman Jawhari.“But do you know who did this to him?” the commander asks, a garish smile spreading over his face.“It was his friends, the Americans.”
>>540839854Soviet system killed god and truth in the russian soul. They can tell back to back opposing lies in the same polygraph test and pass because there is no such thing as truth to them. These are cargo cult niggers who worship America...oh, they think they do the opposite, but that endless yapping fixation and seethe is just "who can make war with the beast? who is like unto him?" beneath a thin layer of bravado. Kremlin has them constantly self-comparing with USA, coming up short, and then writing mystery novels to explain the disparity gap with what "really" happened, as all smart people know Yuri...no WE didnt fight ten years and lose 45k whereas the USA did 20 and only lost 2500, no sir, you see Yuri what REALLY happened is USA lost because *reasons that if valid means russia themselves lost ww2*. Fucking retarded.At first a westerner might think this is just undeserved agitprop or antagonism on their part, but after more than a decade of observing such firsthand right here the conclusion that it is a compulsion, an affliction, a NEED, is inescapable. Some sort of drowning man cope, "I don't suck balls by comparison to the USA the REAL truth is the USA isn't even a country you see..." Like ok uncle drunk ass vodka nigger. They think they are masters of gaslighting but they just come off as arrogant retards that think no one notices what they are, like Draxx when invisible. (have a zarg nut faggot).And, as chinks and muds are their pets and proxies in the thurdie turd bowl, they've taught them as a priority this same trait as an affliction, and you can watch them display it with subtle cultural distonctions here as well: chinks for example, being more purely asian/feminine, sound about 4 notches more cunty/girly/emotional when they attempt the same manuevers, and the muds focus on volume, deluge o brown sound. Dogs or no their behavior is a blight and if not corrected then i say eradicate their pinch faced nigger asses.
>When the war in Afghanistan began, there were almost no Taliban here, just a couple of bearded misfits the locals laughed at.>Then U.S. forces showed up, and this valley in Nuristan Province, surrounded by mountains of alpine forest, became the site of some of the most violent attacks on American soldiers since Vietnam.>Historians, journalists and military officials have spent years trying to understand how the Americans lost the valley. Army investigators devoted hundreds of pages to the failures that allowed more than 150 insurgents to nearly overrun a nascent American base in the tiny village of Want in July of 2008, killing nine U.S. soldiers and injuring more than two dozen others.>The battle, waged by one of the most heavily decorated battalions in more than half a century, was “as remarkable as any small unit action in American military history,” said one investigator. Still, he blamed the officers for being caught off guard, while another investigator exonerated them, asserting that casualties were the cost of war.>Four presidents and more than $2 trillion were consumed by America’s longest war. Yet the United States has never fully grappled with how it lost its way in Afghanistan, including the glaring intelligence failures that plagued the entire war effort.>The official inquiries into the battle of Want never answered the one question that no military could afford to ignore: How did a valley once free of Taliban become such a hotbed of insurgents? Or, put another way, why did so many of the people who welcomed the Americans suddenly want to kill them?
By all accounts, the Americans virtually ensured their own defeat: They repeatedly bombed their closest supporters here, showing just how little the United States understood about the war it was fighting.>Civilian casualties are tragically common in war, in Afghanistan or anywhere else. But these attacks were different, residents here say. The Americans killed and maimed the very people who supported them most, swelling the Taliban’s ranks by turning allies into enemies.>Convinced that Nuristan would become a transport hub and hide-out for Al Qaeda and its allies, the Americans built bases and aggressively patrolled an area that, for the better part of a century, had been granted autonomy from its own government.>The British mostly steered clear of the area in their doomed forays into Afghanistan that began in the 1800s. The Russians, in their own failed bid more than a century later, barely entered. Even the Taliban avoided it during their rule in the 1990s.Only the Americans dared to encroach into the region, and in doing so created the very insurgent stronghold they feared most.>The United States dropped more than 1,000 bombs in a place it never needed to be. Instead of winning hearts and minds, the Americans unwittingly sowed the seeds of their own demise here in the Waygal Valley — just as it did in much of Afghanistan — then stayed for years to reap the harvest.“You have to know when you are the problem,” said retired Col. William Ostlund, the commanding officer of the men who fought the battle in Want (sometimes referred to as Wanat).>“We talk about lessons learned but we continuously relearn the lessons learned, and who pays for it?” he asked. “Our young men, who we put in harm’s way.”For the Taliban, the battle of Want punctured the myth of American invincibility, proving that hardened resolve could overcome even the greatest superpower.
>In October 2003, the C.I.A. launched an attack against a suspected terrorist in a mountaintop village, sending a trail of fire and smoke into the ink black sky. Gunships strafed the forests where residents had run for safety. A cluster of wood-frame homes and a mosque were decimated; seven people were killed, some while fleeing.The Americans declared the strike a success, a refrain that would become so common it would lose meaning. In reality, the attacks had failed. Not only was their target not there, but the homes and mosque they struck belonged to a staunch American ally, a former governor of Nuristan named Mawlawi Ghulam Rabbani. Mr. Rabbani’s political party, Jamiat-e-Islami, detested the Taliban — so much so that it had partnered with the Americans to overthrow them. In fact, that very night, Mr. Rabbani was in Kabul as part of a delegation of pro-American forces.>The only people sheltering in the mountainside home were his family and friends. Of the seven killed, most were women and children, and they included Mr. Rabbani’s son and daughter. These were the early days of war, before civilian deaths from airstrikes became a flashpoint in U.S.-Afghan relations. When U.S. forces came to investigate the damage, one of Mr. Rabbani’s surviving sons was there, wandering the scorched hillside, looking for remains.“They acted like it never happened,” the son said recently from the family home. The remnants of the airstrikes still mar the landscape today.For the rest of his life, the elder Mr. Rabbani would carry the trauma of supporting the very people who had robbed him of his family. Overwhelmed with grief, he would ask anyone he met what his family might have done to deserve such a cruel end.
>Though the attack barely resonated in Kabul, much less in Washington, it changed the dynamic in the Waygal Valley. A creeping sense of resentment, and injustice, opened a crack for the Taliban’s message to grow.Before the attack, Mullah Osman and Mr. Rabbani had been enemies, the spokesmen for opposing visions of their country’s future. But at the funeral for the Rabbani family, Mullah Osman showed up to pay his respects. He prayed with the family in the smoldering remains of their former mosque. Touched by his outreach, the surviving children gave him a two-way radio — a means of communicating across the valley.“Up to that point, the area was very peaceful. It was safe for everyone, even the American military,” Mullah Osman said. “But after the attack on the Rabbani family,” he said, “the Taliban took over. And the uprising began.” Young men came out to join Mullah Osman’s anemic ranks, driven by bitterness over the Rabbani killings.>Not that the Americans noticed. For the next three years, they largely left Nuristan alone, distracted by the fighting elsewhere in Afghanistan and by the new war in Iraq. The Americans returned in 2006, convinced that Al Qaeda and its allies were sheltering in the mountains, but the valley had already been transformed. The Taliban were no longer a sideshow. The Americans started building bases in the valley, giving Mullah Osman exactly what he wanted — a chance to prove that, whatever development the Americans promised, they would bring death.>And they did. In their search for Al Qaeda, they detained farmers and shepherds, dropped enough bombs to level a mountain and killed innocents, including a vehicle full of teenagers who failed to stop at a checkpoint. With public outrage growing, Mullah Osman’s popularity soared. He took more risks, ambushing foot patrols and lacing the dirt roads with explosives. With each skirmish, he spotted the tendencies and the vulnerabilities of the Americans.
>>540839854GO BACK
>Still, not everyone opposed the Americans. One family in particular stood out as the United States’ greatest proponents — and beneficiaries. From the moment the Americans arrived, Rafiullah Arif’s family embraced them, much as the Rabbanis once had. The family leased the Americans land to build a base, and even offered their sons to assist with security, logistics, whatever needed doing. Rafiullah, tall with a thick mop of black hair, became a loyal fixer for the Americans, helping with transport and supply and, at least according to Mullah Osman, intelligence gathering. “These guys were worse than the Americans,” Mullah Osman said. “The Americans came for bin Laden, for Al Qaeda. But our own people? What reason did they have?” Mullah Osman and Rafiullah became sworn enemies in a high-stakes game of local politics with global implications. The more the Americans alienated the people of the Waygal Valley, the closer they grew to the Taliban.>And the closer the locals grew to Mullah Osman, the more the Americans needed allies like Rafiullah.
so much effort to convince you of something that if true should be as obvious as a blue sky...if you ever needed confirmation that you won in asscrackistan look no furhter kek.
>Nearly one year before the battle of Want, the Taliban stormed a separate base, in August 2007. Mullah Osman’s fighters got so close to overrunning it that the Americans had to fight hand-to-hand until air support arrived — so close that the pilots were forced to bomb the base itself. Mullah Osman was injured by a grenade in the attack, but no Americans died. Still, the point was clear: The Taliban controlled the valley, and the Americans were on borrowed time.>Mullah Osman ambushed them again about a month later, positioning his men along the foot paths carved into the stony, vertical hillsides. Six Americans were killed, including a platoon leader, a devastating precursor of the violence to come. But that violence only cemented the population’s hostility toward the Americans — and the growing popularity of the Taliban. Which left the Americans in a curious quagmire: The more they fought, the more violent things became.>“We didn’t have an understanding of the people, the culture,” Colonel Ostlund said. “We didn’t really work with people or apologize for the bad things that happened. We got better at that, but it was too late.” The Americans eventually consolidated forces to their base on Rafiullah’s family land, in a village called Bella, but the Taliban followed. Mullah Osman began launching daily attacks there.>Colonel Ostlund was fed up. He wanted to shift his forces to the village of Want, at the mouth of the valley, where it would be easier to defend themselves. He had spent months negotiating with village elders to buy land there and by July 2008 finally had permission.>But in their haste to leave, the Americans had missed something fundamental: There was nowhere safe for them in the Waygal Valley anymore.
>>540840481A delusional /k/uckold has entered the chat! Read this piece especially, you might learn something.>Perhaps the only person who stuck by the Americans was Rafiullah.>But his loyalty was growing untenable, and even the money his family was getting increasingly wasn’t worth it. Rafiullah and his family couldn’t even go to their local market without worrying that Mullah Osman’s men would kill them. Now, with the Americans preparing to leave his village, he and his family would be completely unprotected.>The Americans were coming under mortar fire for the second day in a row. Rafiullah and his family decided to leave for good. They packed up their belongings and fled in a pair of trucks with other civilians, including several doctors who worked at the local clinic.The fleeing vehicles caught the eye of the Americans, who mistakenly believed the Taliban were marshaling forces for another attack. U.S. officers called in an airstrike, sending a hail of gunfire from two Apache helicopters at the convoy, destroying them and nearly everyone inside.Rafiullah lost his father, mother, brother and nephew, along with his arm, an eye and any semblance of support for the U.S. war in Afghanistan. The Americans, once again, declared the strike a success.
>>540840646>read my delusionkek no faggot you havent been credible since houthis sank 62 carriers the election wasnt stolen the vax didnt go red deer the laptop wasnt shit....you have the credibility of a poojeet news anchor faggot. cope.
>>540840719To be an enemy of America allows you to take over an entire country and become its new government. To be our ally means you get airstriked by America.>Mullah Osman decided to seize the opportunity. Winning, he had come to believe, was all about the first five minutes. He knew that the Americans expected brief, hit-and-run attacks. But this time would be different.>The insurgents took their positions at night, lugging hundreds of pounds of weaponry on a grueling route that avoided the single road through the valley. Just after 4 a.m. on July 13, the American soldiers at Want were preparing for a morning patrol when they spotted movement. The crack of machine gun fire filled the valley as Taliban fighters unloaded magazine after magazine. The whistle and boom of rocket-propelled grenades followed from three directions.>The most withering attack was levied against an American outpost called Topside, set on the hillside above the base. It had been hastily assembled in the days prior, and gave up high ground to the north and west. While most of the Americans were on the main base, only nine men were stationed at Topside.>The first volley was ferocious and accurate, killing, wounding or stunning every man at Topside. And that was just the start. With every wave of grenades and gunfire, the insurgents pressed closer, charging within yards of the outpost.>Realizing the plight of the men at Topside, an American lieutenant and a medic left the main base to help. They rushed through the village and up the hill as gunfire chased them. The rescue was short-lived. Not long after they entered the outpost, at least one Taliban fighter breached the perimeter, opened fire and killed them both. Eight of the nine Americans who died that day lost their lives at Topside.>An hour into the fight, Apache helicopters came to the Americans’ aid. Not long after, planes arrived, along with reinforcements on the ground, shifting the battle decisively.
>>540839854They should've kidnapped and held hostage the entirety of those fucking McGoy zionist foot soldiers and tortured them all.
>>540840864>irrelevant narrative copedick tastes good huh?
>It is unclear how many Taliban died that day. Mullah Osman claims only three, which is almost certainly a gross understatement. American accounts detail numerous Taliban killed. Whatever the number, it was a price Mullah Osman and his men were willing to pay.>“In Want, we decided to make a stand against the Americans,” the Taliban district governor of Want recalled. “Either kill us, or leave us in peace.”The Americans, for their part, considered the battle of Want a tactical victory. The Taliban retreated, and the soldiers defended their base against a force many times larger than their own.But a day later, the Americans left Want.Some "victory", eh, shits/k/ins?
>>540840368shut the fuck up, you homeless retard
The US military exists to do 2 things and only 2 things 1) Whatever Israel tells it toAnd2) Burn through imaginary money so our oligarchs can be slightly wealthier Winning doesn't really support either of those objectives so it must never ever do that.
>>540840938Tell that to the people we betrayed. Tell that to the allies whose families we killed. I'm sure that telling them that "losing" is just a narrative will go over well with them.>The American withdrawal was not the final word on Want. A series of raids and airstrikes followed the American departure. Residents described finding pieces of their children strewn on broken tree limbs.>“Who could commit such cruelty to a man?” one of them said, speaking in little more than a whisper.No one understands that better than Rafiullah.>After the attack on his family, Rafiullah fled the province. But when the Americans withdrew from Afghanistan in 2021, he returned home.The Taliban had claimed power, and granted a nationwide amnesty to their former enemies. They had even returned the land that his family had given the Americans for their base.>Though the Taliban spared his life, it is a half-life, the life of an outcast. He bites his tongue about the new government; he still fears them. As the Taliban lingered nearby, monitoring his words, he focused his ire on the Americans.“They say they came here to help us, but they wound up killing us,” he said, squinting into the sun with his good eye. “We supported their mission, and they betrayed us.”
Epilogue>This was once known as Kafiristan, or the land of the nonbelievers.>In that conquest, some regions converted peacefully, including the Waygal Valley, and were granted a special status by the emir. According to the locals, they were allowed to retain their resources in perpetuity — the land, water, minerals and timber. And they would be exempt from taxation.Mullah Osman is loyal to the Taliban, but to Nuristan most of all.“I would not support any effort to tax Nuristan,” he grumbles as the tax men drive away.>To his mind, he has already made enough concessions. When the new government came to power, they favored clerics over commanders, leaving the fighters who won the war jobless. Including Mullah Osman.>And then there is the amnesty.>For Mullah Osman, that has been both easy and impossible. His son-in-law was an Afghan Special Forces soldier in Kandahar, and still wears his uniform around Mullah Osman’s home. He is family, part of the messy and mysterious reconfiguration of alliances that often follows drawn-out conflicts in Afghanistan.Mullah Osman has also forgiven the Americans, outsiders who never understood Afghanistan. Now that they are gone, so, too, is his enmity toward them.>But others are harder to forgive, like the Afghans who sided with the Americans in Nuristan, who took their money and supported their invasion. People he now must see every day, as though nothing happened.>People like Rafiullah.>Deeper into the valley, Mullah Osman walks through the remains of the American base in Bella, drawing a crowd of villagers as he lists the American atrocities they suffered. The crowd nods in agreement and then, suddenly, standing before us, is the last American ally in the valley, a walking casualty of war.Forbidden from exacting revenge against Rafiullah, Mullah Osman grabs his sleeve and drags him like a prop — a living monument to American betrayal.“You must meet my friend Rafiullah,” Mullah Osman says.
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