Canadian woman forced to get back surgery in the US due to long wait times and paid 200K. She's suing the Canadian government for reimbursement.
videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZwYXpocBVs
Did they miss how the healthcare works here? Waiting is free. That's it
How do they expect this to turn out?https://www.rebelnews.com/alberta_teen_takes_province_to_court_after_family_pays_nearly_200_000_for_u_s_spine_surgeryThis story is over a week old.
>>540849025Why didn't they just put her in the pod?
>>540849025But MUH FREE HEALTHCARE.. what happened freehealthcare sissies?
>>540849025>free healthcare is grea-aaaacccccckkkkkkkk
>>540849046how can we bring poop into this news story?
>>540849536video says Alberta has funding for out-of-country care but she was denied for some reason
>>540849581>>540849643more people get denied care in the US for various reasons than people in canada needing surgery that takes too long
>>540849643You just know that it wouldn't really be free here in the US -- not really. Our leftists and DSA fags are constantly given this false hope that it can some day happen. What is more realistic is that this proposal turns into an expansion of the telehealth meme, care apportionment is determined by some algorithm / AI devised by Indians, and you pay according to some social credit score type of system that factors in things like your level of debt, what UBI you qualify for, your carbon credit score, what assets you own, and how naughty you have been on social media.
>>540849025>has $200k to drop on a procedureWhy didn't she just go to Europe? Could have had it done for a fraction of that.
>>540849676BrrrrrrraaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaaap
>>540849799No hospital in the US can deny care, insurance coverage is what fucks people and gets denied in the US (but happens everywhere, my grandma just got denied coverage for an open heart surgery, she had to go private as the public list is of course retarded long).
>>540849676I am canadian.If I ever ask for MAID, I don’t want the “home pill” or the “hospital injections”I want a hot booty like OP to sit on my face until death by asphyxia.
>>540849301This.You either wait forever or pay out of your pocket.Also, half your taxes are used to make sure your waiting experience is as obnoxious as possible.
>>540850066what? they can deny you care if it's not life threatening. they do it all the time
>>540849799Fair enough, but there are tradeoffs to both approaches. I think, by now, there is more skepticism over the prospect of a universal "free" health care system here in the US more than ever. This is the result of things like the COVID mandates, concerns over more medical authoritarianism, dissatisfaction with Obama health care reforms (which were basically a plagiarized conservative approach), concerns over increased taxation, and ,yes, concerns over wait times. Wait times here in the US are already not too good. They could indeed get worse under a more generous system.Oh, yeah. Plus, there are a bunch of people who are quite bitter about the prospect of irresponsible/lazy poor brown/black minorities being able to benefit from the system as they are often blamed for the economic problems of our health care system as it already stands.t. used to favor universal "free" health care before the pandemic made me re-think everything
>>540850030They euthanase you in Europe as well.
>>540850103Do you think that you could request that Canadian model Anja Dee do that to you? I didn't know that MAiD was this based! kek
>>540850160The waiting rooms are always heavily racially infected.Despite my taxes paying for healthcare, I pay to use the private. Even went to US for a surgery once.On my way back…CBSA “you were in US for what?”Me “surgery”CBSA “don’t we have healthcare here?”Me “barely, and it’s no good”CBSA officer jaw dropsCBSA “have a good day”
>>540849730She was denied twice. Pre- and post-surgery.Source docs for the CCF submission can be found here:https://theccf.ca/teen-sues-government-after-years-long-wait-for-scoliosis-surgery/Some background:>In 2021 after Vienna’s diagnosis, Vienna and her parents, Janene and Anthony Pedatella inquired about vertebral body tethering (“VBT”) as a possible surgical option but were told to wait and advised to brace. Vienna wore a fitted brace 23 hours a day, as recommended for 9 months, and participated in physical therapy, strength training and other recommendations from her medical team.>Despite Vienna’s diligence in following the treatment recommendations, her scoliosis continued to progress and from 2021 to 2023, her spinal curve increased from 40° to over 50°. Dr. Gurpreet Dinsa, Vienna’s family physician, referred her to the BC Children’s Hospital in March 2023.>On May 30, 2023, Vienna was seen by Dr. Firoz Miyanji at the BC Children’s Hospital. Dr. Miyanji advised Vienna that she was no longer a candidate for VBT due to herskeletal maturity and had missed her surgical window for VBT. VBT requires there to be enough remaining growth in the spine to be successful. Dr. Miyanji put Vienna on the waitlist for spinal fusion, a procedure that permanently connects two or more vertebrae together using metal rods, screws and bone grafts, but permanently limits mobility and flexibility in the fused segments. Vienna, Janene, and Anthony were devastated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX1vhVSzMiI
If I was Canadian I'd kms
>>540850066Emergency rooms can't deny you care. Anything else beyond that they will deny you. They won't give you back surgery unless you have insurance or cash.
>>540850187>what? they can deny you care if it's not life threateningThat's universal anon, the context of denying care is only applicable to emergency medical care. If I went a hospital here there's no guarantee they'll do a non emergency procedure.
>>540850461>Anything else beyond that they will deny you. That's how it normally works even in free healthcare systems.
>>540849046some interesting pictures in that newsreel
>>540850196the problem is US has the worst of both systems. Either making it completely private or universal would be better than the current US system where the government already pays more per capita than actual socialist healthcare countries. There's too much waste and price gouging with hospitals when both are combined.
>>540850396>Dr. Gurpreet Dinsagrim
>>540849025Doctor should have recommended MAID.
>>540850572no it doesn't retard. In Canada if you need surgery then you get it. The only problem is wait times. You'll never get denied surgery unless it's elective.
>>540850509It's also in the US. If you go to the hospital or a doctor and want an elective procedure and you don't have insurance or cash they will laugh at you and tell you to go pound sand.
>>540850655>Canada if you need surgery then you get it.>if you need.Cool, our ACC doctors are the best in the world in NZ as they very rapidly find you do not need medical care.
>>540849536>>540849025Thanks anons, albertan also here with a workplace injuryGuess i found my lawyer(s), cheers
>>540850682Which is normal, here you need to convince someone you need an elective procedure. Same in Canada no doubt, takes ages for some people, knew a guy who took 8 years for a rotator cuff tear to be acknowledged as necessary.
>>540849025About 8 years ago I needed an MRI and my doctor told me there would be a 3 - 5 month wait time. I asked if that was normal and she said I could go to a private clinic and get an MRI right this second but I would have to pay $200~ to $800. I told her I would think it over and 3 days later she told me to go to some hospital and I got it done for free so she was probably trying to finesse some money out of me and probably had connections with the private clinic and would get a kickback for referring me.
>>540850590Our system is the worst though.We pay a lot for it and have zero care.Americans can at least survive a deep wound.
>>540849025She should have just taken MAID like she was supposed to
>>540849025Spine surgeries are a meme, I've never heard of a single person who improved after having one, it's basically just an idiot tax for goycattle
>>540850306MAID is super based. I once visited a house for sale in Toronto. There was a heavy atmosphere inside, like a morbid aura. Even my realtor was like “wtf?”He texted the selling agent and apparently the owner had decided to MAID herself in the bedroom.I don’t where you live but Canada is above fucked up. It really is.
>>540849025>She's suing the Canadian governmentProviding health care is, constitutionally, a provincial responsibility. The fucking headline even says they’re sueing the province, not Feds. Blame your corrupt Conservatives for that. Maybe they can give out private health care contracts to their friends, just like the other multi-million dollar scandals,
>>540849799>needing surgery that takes too longHow long is too long? Until you die? Do you understand the temporal value of productivity? How about GDP per capita?
>>540850863I think it's fine. Myself and everyone I know has never had problems with the healthcare system other than long ER wait times.
>>540850889Outdated meme. The doctors need to be brown. Especially the last one.
>>540850863its ALWAYS browns filling up the emergency rooms for some reason, I dont know what they hope to achieve letting their children run around screaming waiting to be seen but most of them are not sick. my appendix exploded when I was a wee lad in the early 2000s and I still had to wait for what my mom claims was around 8 hours because these freaks clog up the whole system all day as a hobby.
>>540850976I think a lot of spine problems can be fixed by a chiropractor but a lot of people think they are scams so.
Lawsuit that's not gonna go anywhere. Next.
>>540851018I literally do not have any idea why back surgery would require years of waiting. Surely they could send her to another province instead? I doubt every back surgeon in the whole country is booked for years.
>>540851099>but a lot of people think they are scamsIt is a pseudo-science.
>>540849025>She's suing the Canadian government for reimbursement.lol, lmao even
>>540849025You wanna be American Alberta? Well you better get used to spending money on medical.
>>540851099chiropractors are all hacks and their PR is upheld by insurance companies because its significantly cheaper than actually paying for surgery. what she really needed was a medieval rack they used for torture but only crank it a little
>>540851199yes but they likely have some effectiveness otherwise why are there so many of them? I'd try them out first before getting 200k fusion surgery that might make it worse.
>>540850590>the problem is US has the worst of both systems. Either making it completely private or universal would be better than the current US system where the government already pays more per capita than actual socialist healthcare countries. There's too much waste and price gouging with hospitals when both are combinedAh! Well, there it is! You hit the nail on the head. We do have the worst of both systems! I do agree that these are all problems. However, what a lot of people who point this out overlook is that the way the system is right now, it looks like there is no easy way to fix it without causing our GDP to plummet. >completely privateUh oh! You've just destroyed the jobs in our government bureaucracy, thus leading to increased unemployment for several quarters. You've also taken subsidies away from pharmaceutical companies, health insurance companies, whole entire hospital systems, and medical supply businesses just to name a few sectors>universalUh oh! You've just taken away from the health insurance cartel's business model and market share. I have come to the conclusion that these inefficiencies might have grown inadvertently at first, but that they have since been baked into the cake of an upcoming economic ticking time bomb. At some point, government policy makers, private think tanks, and big business came together and likely planned for a managed collapse of the system. I think that the aftermath of that collapse eventually leads to some de facto "universal" health care system and that the underlying structure will be some scaled-down public private partnership after BlackRock buys up all of the bankrupted hospital systems and health insurance companies. After learning about how rigged the insurance industry is and after learning about Rockefeller Medicine, I can't help but think that they want the system to collapse just so that they can make it more dystopian.https://wwe.youtube.com/watch?v=X6J_7PvWoMw
>>540849025they'll probably diagnose her with sluggish schizophrenia for opposing the Canadian politburo and try to euthanize her
>>540850595>grimThat was a cause for a pause when I was reading it. However, I don't believe that to be a factor here. It was the review board that seems to have done some shady stuff.Hmmm... it gets more interesting later on:>On July 2, 2025, Dr. Laury A. Cuddihy of St. Peter’s University Hospital in New Brunswick, New Jersey recommended Vienna for Anterior Scoliosis Correction (“ASC”). Much like VBT, but unlike spinal fusion, ASC would preserve her mobility and allow her to return to full function and participate in the activities she enjoyed without limitation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FmTODRPAj8
>>540849025There's pros and cons of the healthcare system here. My primary care provider had to shut down after losing a $7 million judgement for not properly diagnosing a little girl with cancer. Every doctor at that clinic was foreign, Indians, Asians, and one Brazilian and a Mexican American. I saw all of them on different visits because we don't get a regular doctor either, you see whoever is available. Healthcare here is better than in socialist countries on average, but only if you have a lot of money to pay for it.
>>540850863the problem is that the doctors run the show. they decide how everything works. everything is subordinated to their billing needs. the health care system is not about helping sick people, it's about funneling public money into private hands.we don't have socialized medicine, we have universal health insurance, which differs in coverage from province to province. this means that payments come from the state, but profits go to the clinics and the doctors. the lowest paid doctors make about $22,000 a month in canada.then there's taking favours from drug companies, like paid travel to exotic locations for speaking fees, free samples, meals, industry funded education, it's a fucking corrupt mess of shit.the government needs to put its foot down, these unions and guilds have too much power, and should not be directing public policy, that's what elected representatives are supposed to do. canada also did the same with eye doctors and online glasses. they made it so you need a current, signed prescription to get glasses, which costs over $100. of course, this is to get you to buy their shit at insane markups. you get the same 2 boxes of contacts for $100 online that you pay $3-400 for at the eye doctor. this is rentier capitalism, not socialism. you can still order from the us, and get a perfectly good pair of glasses for about 50 bucks, but these cunts literally hold your vision hostage for shekels. usually a 200-600% markup
>>540851281>yes but they likely have some effectivenessWhich is better performed by a physiotherapist, an actually licensed healthcare professional.
>>540849025>spinal fusion>$200k>in 2026>done minimally invasively so there isn't even a 2ft long scar down your backWhat the fuck? My shit cost almost $300k 20 years ago and I've got a ugly scar that goes form the base of my neck to a few vertebrae above my pelvis. I want to know how they managed to get the hardware attached to straighten her out and secure all the implants without cracking her wide open.
>>540850396>Dr. Gurpreet Dinsa, Vienna’s family physicianngmi
>>540851035
>>540849025> She's suing the Canadian government for reimbursement.This is incredibly based and I support her.
>>540851228>You wanna be American Alberta?I think Alberta wants to be independent. It can pull benefits from both systems in its reconstruction.It will have more than enough finances for that once they get Ottawa removed from the equation.
>>540850862I’m in Kelowna. Elective day surgery in 2025.BC regular health care: see GP, 10 months later see Specialist, 14 months later surgery.No private in BCOntario private: bypass GP, see Specialist within 2 months, surgery 4 months later, $8000 cad + airplane (BC to Ontario)Quebec private: same as Ontario but they force you to stay one night so $500-1000 cad moreUS Washington state: bypass GP, see Specialist within 4 weeks, surgery 2 months later, $5000 cad no airplane I drove thereCanada is over. Oh and by the way we are in 2026 and BC healthcare contacted me not long to book for the Specialist visit.Note: Doctor and staff in US we can choose and they are all white.
>>540851035>I think it's fine. Myself and everyone I know has never had problems with the healthcare system other than long ER wait times.You're a fucking retard, apparently. The #3 leading cause of death in North America - Canada & the USA, is by doctors & nurses.>In Canada, medical errors and hospital-acquired infections claim between 30,000 and 60,000 lives annually.https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kathleen-finlay/medical-error-deaths_b_8350324.html>Roughly 12,000,000 Americans are misdiagnosed each year.>Medical errors cause an estimated 250,000 deaths in the United States annually.https://mymedicalscore.com/medical-error-statistics/Enjoy your Africa refugee camp nurses ;^)
>>540851531>BC healthcare contacted me not long to book for the Specialist visit.Kek...How did that conversation go?
>>540849025>Healthcare is free but takes so long you will probably die first>your superethical government may or may not recommend you kill yourself>Healthcare is a financial nightmare where you get trapped in a scam battle between hospitals and insurance companies with each cup of water itemized as $500. >But its also accessable and fastIs it really to much to ask for a functional society?
>>540851457Alberta has a fragile economy.Look, I understand why you want to leave Canada, but economical reasons are dumb as fuck.Most of your economy revolves around oil. Thus, your economic situation is tied to the oil situation.Right now, it is strong, which would be a good time to use that wealth to diversify your economy.Instead, your politicians reinvest into oil. Meanwhile, Ottawa is blocking some projects, setting up regulations, etc. slowing down the reinvestment.Once you'd leave, I would bet you would go all in on oil.Like a 20 year who struck gold, Albertans are blinded by new money and I do not believe they have the wisdom (right now) to make it.Still, I support Albertan separatism.
>>540849025I bet if that goes through our Healthcare system is going to become even more expensive because it will be subsided by Canadian tax payers.
>>540851686I calmly explained them that I didnt need to see a Specialist anymore because I had already the surgery done in US. It was very hard to stay polite but I did because I thought this way they may let the government know about it.
>ScoliosisShe was fucked no matter what. The only winning move is to not have kids because it's genetic and passed down on the X gene.t. double curve lower lumbar scoliosis man.
>>540851686I have another one for you…My suns friend, university undergrad in Canada.Parents are Spanish/MexicanFull of $$$He had back pain. Went to ER in BC.They did a echo. Kidney stones. They say surgery is needed without delay.Guy panics calls mom in Spain.Mom, from Spain arrange appointment in Mexico. Guy takes airplane Canada to Mexico on Thursday morning (of a long weekend)Comes back from Mexico the next Wednesday. All good. It was not a kidney stone. No surgery required. Was just an infection.I was like … what the fuck Canada?
>>540849301hmm, makes sense actually
>>540852200>suns friendI too am a friend of the sun. You could always go back to your shithole.
>>540851417This nigga really saying shit like this after the fakeflu 2020.
>>540849025I'm shocked.Nah, not really it's Canada.>>540850396She was denied because Canada and it's provinces don't care about tax slaves.If she was feather indian or dot indian she'd be first in line.
>>540852375Actually here is my shithole.My ancestors came here way before 1867 and participated in tryimg to push back the britton fucks.Credit for trying. My place here is well earned and am pure white with full white genealogy. I am not circumcized.You must be jew to assume such things?
>>540849025>text on an image>no sourceNigga do you think this is Reddit
>>540849025Thank you for keeping us all informed about this very important case.
>>540849025>Canada>Kills you>US>You wish you were dead after getting the bill
>>540852638Well then you should have tried harder in school and your SONS friend should have stayed in Mexico if it's so much better.
>>540852651i posted a video source for post #1 retard
>>540852692the point is to debate our healthcare system, faggot
>>540849025Does Canada guarnatuee affordable and/or swift treatment? If not, what case could she possibly have?
>>540849799surgeries that take too long isn't the only problem with Canadian healthcare. >government actively prioritizes foreigners for healthcare to the point millions of actual Canadians can't even get a family doctor as a health canada/federal top down policy all provinces HAVE to follow>there just aren't enough specialists in a bunch of fields leaving a lot of people going without even getting preventative care let alone seeing a doctor at all until it reaches the point they need invasive surgeries with crippling, or nearly lethal wait times>way too many of the nurses are sociopathic monsters, or foreigners who can't even speak english because their jobs exist to support the foreigners who get care priority>mental healthcare and rehab facilities are disappearing at a time when we need both
>>540851419Surgery has improved a lot in recent years.
>be American>pay $1000s / yr heath care>back problems>chronic pain >denied coverage>appeal>denied coverage again>live in constant pain.MURDER HEALTH CARE CEO.>get free health care in prison. POTTERY
>>540851737>Is it really to much to ask for a functional society?No. How much are you willing to sacrifice to bring it about?
>>540852903it's first come first serve. They don't take someone with a brown last name and give them priority on purpose.
>>540849025https://youtube.com/shorts/SOXSOppgpJ8?si=NMRVZdLSNnImKJzaThe future is now.
>>540852984he will die of aids in a few years LULZZZZ!!!!!
>paying for hospital billsKek only retards do. I had a 3k usd bill once. I didn't pay it, ignored all of their calls. Creditors came back begging for any money at all. I ended up paying around 100 usd. >but muh creditI don't believe in jewish social credit scores, sorry!
>>540851538This is a lie.
>>540849676
>>540851171Canada probably doesn't even have a dozen surgeons who focus on brain/spine surgeries anon, we have critical shortages in nearly every field because they can live way better nearly anywhere else.
>>540852903Complete provable bullshit. Why do you lie?
>>540853187you won't get back surgery unless you pay upfront or have insurance to cover it.
>>540849025you have to wait for dr jeet?
>>540850655I imagine she had to wait because Canada doesn't have the enough doctors that can do the surgery. they all went to the US for a better pay check. the problem here is getting diagnosed if you have something serious. if you are not a pushy cunt, you will get lost waiting around. too many people and not enough money people put into the public health system
>>540851737Functional society is an obsolete concept. A distant dream of a past long dead, when western countries were still white.
>>540850404we have a service for that yeah
>>540853275Well then, go ahead and prove it then. What's the lie?
>>540853379Our doctors tend to have a better standard of living in a lot of places, we lose a lot of White doctors to Europe and Asia too.
>>540853284Why would I need back surgery?
>>540853637Perhaps to repair an injury.
>>540849025She better not let them settle.Take it to discovery. Our 'federal government' has no legal basis for existence whatsoever.
>>540851432Kind of sounds like the jeet doctors were the only ones fighting for her actually
>>540853699Surgery is a massive scam. Most doctors are quick to do it because they make a shit load of money from it. My mother had cancer and spent a ton of money on surgeries, didn't do shit and caused more problems. I had another family member (male) who had knee surgery that ended up killing him because of blood clots. Eat shit and die you worthless faggot. Can't wait for the entire medical system to collapse under useful idiots like yourself.
>>540853275What was that? Do I sense a distinct lack of proving it?lmao get fucked, cunt.
>>540852200>Went to ER in BC.>They did a echo. Kidney stones. They say surgery is needed without delay.Something is missing in that sequence of events.Ultrasound, which I assume was used, is not a reliable indicator and I would've expected a follow-up for urinalysis. I question the legitimacy of that tale.
>whitegood luck
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>>540849025they voted 4 it so pay up cunt
>>540849025I hope she gets paid out because that would set a hilarious precedent.
She has no recourse. The Canadian government's argument would be that they offered to treat her spine issue with MAID. Her choosing a US-based option is therefore elective and not reimbursable.
>>540853188>This is a lie.>1 PBTID https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/preventable-medical-error-is-canadian-healthcares-silent-killer_b_8350324In Canada, medical errors and hospital-acquired infections claim between 30,000 and 60,000 lives annually. Thousands more are injured. Then there is the ocean of emotional harm that engulfs families when a loved one is lost to the kind of hospital mishap experts say is often preventable.But to the public, these incidents are largely invisible. We don't see, and there aren't any television programs that capture, the patients who die from falls or medication errors. We can't witness the agony of a patient suffering from a pressure ulcer that could have been prevented or a botched surgery. Hidden from our gaze is the suffering that hospital-acquired infections cause, killing between 8,000 and 12,000 Canadians every year. >Hidden from our gaze is the suffering that hospital-acquired infections cause, killing between 8,000 and 12,000 Canadians every year. Thats over 20-30 people dying PER DAY in Canada's hospitals due to incompetence.Now I will give you some free medical advice: SEEK MAID asap and KILL YOURSELF
>>540855710>I hope she gets paid out because that would set a hilarious precedent.Which is exactly why she won't be.
>>540849025>Filipino nurseThey're everywhere. If we ever establish a moon or mars base, one of the nurses there will be filipino.
>>540849025My wife’s aunt had to fly to the US to see a specialist for a high risk pregnancy. She had a 3 month wait in Canada. This was 35 years ago.
>>540849676That is a gross, cellulite ass..
>>540857350>She had a 3 month wait in Canada. This was 35 years ago.Yea a 3 month wait now is unheard of, at least close to 12 months for anything now...
>>540849676Does shy put corn starch in her butt crack? The friction in that thing.>>540850030>Why didn't she just go to Europe?Yuropoor nigerette goes to China for a spine surgery.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B60O-J2tJbk
>>540849025Tell me these people were against mass immigration from shithole countries. Because if they weren't, they have no right to complain.
>>540850889The only cuts that actually NEED stitches are those made by a surgeon.Everything else will heal so long as you can stop the bleeding.
