Are unions good or bad?
>>540851265Are socialists who infiltrate organisations to start a revolution good or bad?You decide.
There are not enough jobs and they give all the jobs to shitskins
>>540851339It heavily depends on the context: who are the current rulers?
>>540851265extremely bad. essentially terrorist organizations. What they do is highly illegal gang activity.
Unions are amazing and you should advocate for themSyndicalism is awesome
>>540851265It depends on how politicized they are.
Conceptually good, but bad in practice.
>>540851265Gee um i dunno. Ask ai
>>540851265Employim banding together is antisemitic
>>540851505Name one union (modern) that fell short of its stated aims and explain how the union fell short.
>>540851265depends on the union and who makes up the leadership
>>540851265I make over 5k a week working a union job that wouldn't pay me even 1/3rd of that non-unionkeep drinking the koolaid fags, unions are peak
>>540851615Those dumbfucks rebuilding the Frances Scott Key Bridge.
>>540851265Both
>>540851265Do you mean actual unions or the modern extortion rackets that refer to themselves as unions? Actual unions are good. Modern "unions" are bullshit. Either way, guilds are superior to both and commie faggots deserve a free helicopter tour.
>>540851265yes
one of the biggest reasons they flood the country with foreigners of different races is so White people can't effectively unionize
>>540851265I am from a fervently anti union company man family. Both my dad and grams were big players at their respective corpos and hated the unions. But the older I get the more I think they play an important role in stability. And as a Cicero fan boy I like thatThere are good and bad aspects to them, but I’d rather be on the company side of a union facility than at a straight company only facility, at least in my line of work (big pharma)
>>540851265unions are badlife would be better if we worked 14 hour days 6 days a week, and only got paid in company issued monopoly money. the damn unions took that all away from us
>>540851265They served a purpose in the beginning, but now they are as corrupt as the politicians that they shill for.
Police unions:>You're sexist if you think Officer Becky is unfit just because she magdumped into a bystander's car after hearing an acorn drop and then couldn't even lift him out to recieve medical aid>You're a communist for trying to get Officer Pablo taken off the force for sexually assaulting all those innocent women in his custody>Officer Tanisha deserves lifetime disability pension for the PTSD she got from shooting that toddler, which was justified btw>Okay fine you win, Officer Darrell was actually negligent in tipping your grandpa out of his wheelchair and beating him into a coma, let's settle>It's coming out of the taxpayer pockets of course, we need to keep our training budget so we can pay former Israeli soldiers to teach us a class on how to give Narcan to our dogsLabor unions:>Stop trying to hire illegals>Don't jew us on the safety budget
>>540851265my union was able to give me a 2€/h raise this year
They are good in general, goal is to earn well and eliminate weird boss practices. Many foundational companies had theirs for many generations now. They are not perfect, the police is an example of how truly powerful a union could be.
>>540851683They’re freemasonic wanabe grifters. Join a masonic temple instead. Won’t cost you a thing
>>540851265theyre good but theyve all been subverted by jews.its a high-trust society thing.we arent a high-trust society anymore, so unions are detrimental.
>>540851265United action is good. Unions as paid organisations are bad.The moment the union starts employing people who just work for the union, it's corrupt.
>>540851265Good because they fight to provide a good standard of living for your average blue collar worker, and keeps Bezos-like psychopaths in check.Bad because they can become corrupt and ineffective, teachers unions come to mind here. You also need heavy protectionist policies and a good end product for unions to be viable. Also can be gatekept by older members (boomers)
>>540851265Organized negotiation by labor is fair and expected in any free market, but in the US they were hijacked by organized crime and later the Soviets.This was deliberate - it fucked white workers and allowed it to be labeled patriotic and anticommunist. Then those jobs were offshored, largely to communist China, making jewish shareholders rich and crushing Americas labor market and manufacturing capability,Notice how the only strong unions remaining in the US are for the kike professions in Hollywood, and they always get what they want.
>>540851841I work 20 hours/week on an individual non union contract.
>>540852005>Notice how the only strong unions remaining in the US are for the kike professions in Hollywood, and they always get what they want.There are blue cities and states that are complete hostages to their teachers unions.
>>540851683https://cctmarketing.org/rebuild-the-key-bridge-with-local-union-labor-guest-commentary/Looks like they succeeded.
>>540851843>now they are as corrupt as the politicians that they shill for.do you have any evidence, stories, or even anecdotes for it, or did you just shart it out your ass?
>>540851972>Bad because they can become corrupt and ineffective,a lot of pro union people don't want to admit this because they feel the need to defend the unions that currently exist. unions need to be democratic to be effective, as soon as you get a calcified leadership class within the union it becomes much easier for the company to buy them out and turn the union into another arm of management>>540852057its raining but I'm not getting wet, this umbrella is pointless I should throw it away
>>540851927>its a high-trust society thing.its the opposite you niggardly faggot
>>540852155When a union becomes corrupt who benefits? Hint: It isn't the business usually.
>>540851751lol guilds are the extortion rackets and commies are the ones who keep unions focused on wrokers. Unions aren't even allowed to be explicitly political or have solidarity with each other in the US by law. Wildcat strikes that help keep unions honest are also illegal.A good rule of thumb for a union is how universally democratic it is vs how much privilege "seniority" bestows upon its members. That's just a recipe for a boomer guild that is just as exploitative of its junior members as the boss is (and are usually in collusion with him)
>>540852309You wanna cite that law there, budy?
>>540852088Teachers here make like 28k a year, their union appears to exist solely to provide defense counsel for all the roastoid high school teachers fucking chad.
>>540852334https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Hartley_Act
>>540851972>and a good end product for unions to be viableLots of faggots join those toothless 'retail unions' whose members consist of ill-trained wagies who could be replaced by literally anyone off the street.They can't seriously bargain in good faith. They have no leverage.And it's because of those "unions" that actual organized labor like trade unions gets a bad rep.
>>540851494An Union is a political organization calling it a proffesional organization is grade A bullshit, is all about holding political power over the political power the boss has
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>>540852387>thirdie doesn’t know what the word “political” means
>>540851265horrendous in public sectorwork ok in private sector sometimes since the market corrects when unions get too uppity and bankrupt the company teachers unions are literally bankrupting the country in the US
>>540851265Bad but better than nothing. Ideally the state itself forms a labor union of all wage earners without outright centralizing production.
>>540851265At least in the US, the guys in them get paid a lot more than their contemporariesI met plumbing guys who made so much more than most because they were in a union. I’m sure there was a catch however
>>540851265Thats a stupid question to ask /pol/tards
cffgggh
>>540852573>plumbing guys who made so much more than most because they were in a union. I’m sure there was a catch howeverThe catch is>we get paid 30% more>we get F R E E healthcare>we get FAT pensions>the boss man must KNEEL to our superior Contract>we do not fear layoffs, let alone getting fired
>>540851265>frogposting nuscum>didn't read Mein Kampfgo back
>>540851265They are a punishment upon shitty corporations. They are inefficient and a net negative for everyone involved but it’s the natural consequence for treating your workers like shit
>>540852488I know when that "apolitical" doesn't means jack shit
>>540851265Like any and every thing: It WAS good when it first started and set out what it was supposed to do an accomplished that objective. Since then, it's operating parameters have been changed and it no longer serves the original purpose despite having the same name and projecting the same values.Short answer: No. The union will often fuck you harder than the company does because the "Union" charges dues for services that the union pretends to provide. This means the union depends on the company for money. Don't bite the hand that feeds. They provide a false sense of security.
Good
>>540852832>the "Union" charges dues for services that the union pretends to provide.nigger i make 300k a year in a role that would pay 50k non-union. I also get free healthcare, a massive pension, health+welfare funds, and protections from 1000 different tiny things.>muh duesthe ULTIMATE retard argument. Bet this nigger thinks making more money puts him in a "higher tax bracket" thus losing him money too.
>>540852978>and protections from 1000 different tiny things.until you get hurt and become a problem.
>>540852309>No you are the bad commies>not us>and we definitely don't tell our people how to vote>ignore our televised meeting with wine sipping communist dick sucksEnjoy paying your union dues just to get the privilege to work.
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>>540852978>nigger i make 300k a year>the ULTIMATE retard argument. Bet this nigger thinks making more money puts him in a "higher tax bracket" thus losing him money too.You described yourself.
>>540853068>get hurtcollect disability $$$$ and utilize your free healthcare to get taken care off>get laid offcollect unemployment $$$$ and don't have to actively look for a new job because union exemptiongo ahead you poor fag, talk ur shit.
>>540851265The one I was in fucking sucked and seemed to be taking union dues to do absolutely nothing when they were needed most.
>>540853476Guess you haven't heard of "temps" yet and how they're being used to circumvent unions... unless there's something you'd like to admit?
>>540853476Companies ALLOW unions to operate on their property. With the advent of temp agencies, and every temp being under the same contract with both the company and the union... Think on that for a moment.
>>540853797True. I’m currently at a unionized job and it’s very clear they are rotating out new hires, using every trick in the book to avoid overhead expenses like ppe or healthcare only to fire them before they can pass the probationary period. Union could easily negotiate around this but doesn’t bother
Why would a union allow non-paying members being paid a lesser wage to fill roles a higher paid full on unionized due's paying employee to fill?
They must get something out of those contracts, and there must be a negotiated quota, which they probably get a kick-back for.
>>540851265Was good, enshitified now. You are lucky you have unions, all we have here are limp dick syndicates
>>540853476You see anon, wages and labor are like a pie.The company is the pie-maker.The union takes a slice of YOUR slice of pie and promises things that they don't make good on.A simple fact is that there is only so much pie to go around.The union itself does nothing to earn the pie they get, you do.The union, if it wants to stay alive, needs to acquire as much pie as it can, every time the pie-maker decides to make a new pie.The union does this by convincing other people to give it a slice of their pie, and by refusing to redistribute that pie to it's "members" who it promises, it gets to keep the pie and stay alive.We have many words for this.Insurance, and social security being the ones you'd recognize the most.
>>540854338That's exactly what I said. It was great when it first started, but it no longer does what it was intended to do.Instead it's become a "pay me if you want to work" middle-man.It's racketeering at it's finest. Directed at employees.
>>540855462Because that's who actually makes the money and provides the labor to do so.Unions are employed by companies, because Unions are dependent upon workers, who are employed by companies.
>>540851265>pay me this amount or I will go on strike and sabotage your business so you lose millions!That's extortion. If you don't like your job, quit. Unions are evil.
Unions are a net good. Acts as a system of checks and balance.When forced by the government or funded by the government, they are bad.
>>540851265unions fucking suckthey're just another power entrenchment tool of the "elite"
>>540851265UNIONS: great for the private sector and misery in the public sector and a slaaneshi horror carnival for teachers.
>>540852118how about the fact that they quite literally have millions of dollars to influence elections, nigger. They flaunt their unions like they were pharaohs, but they don't represent the people whose dues fund their entire existence. You want proof that unions are corrupt? How about that mafioso motherfucker that threatened to withhold supplies when NC and other parts of the Appalachians were hit with those heavy floods. Nigger downright said he would shut the entire eastern corridor down if they didn't get their spike in pay.Death to unions.
>>540851683To be fair we (Americans) are absolutely horrendous at building things nowadays. Costs balloon to clown level proportions and it takes forever. Also count the potholes in your city's roads.
>>540855665The union worker on the line with 2 kids and a wife at home with a 3rd on the way and a mortgage doesn't have a say in it either. He just loses everything because the Union made a decision. Even though he'd be happy to just continue working and getting what he has to keep things afloat.In his mind it goes:>"Shhh! We have enough don't rock the boat!"But higher wages mean higher dues because the union "did more for you" that you didn't ask them to do and have no say in.
>>540855908But that's fine, he's probably topped out on wages anyway and we'll replace him with a younger more impressionable person in their 20's.Let me ask you to google: What happens if you cross a picket-line during a strike.
>>540856095Who punishes you?Then ask yourself if you haven't agreed to have another master, besides the company.
>>540855908Unions destroy the economy. unions happily force companies into bankruptcy then brag about it. Scum of the earth. gangsters. If you don't like your pay, start your own company and hire only union and pay them as much as they demand see how well that goes. unions destroyed this country.
A union being essentially a professional association, the more political they are, the worse they are. And that's because the worst thing a union can do is attack other workers, which usually occurs due to social belligerence.
>>540851265they lost my support when they started supporting immigration
>>540851265Union workers are well compensated, safe, and have the ability to move to other areas without worrying about losing job opportunities. You pay fees out of your cheque as "dues" those "dues" become your retirement package. Then when you retire you are able to afford to live without needing to work a menial job to make pocket change. Though most retirees I know work a job after retiring because they're bored.
>>540856158And now you have TWO fuckers to please. And both of them want the same thing:For you to shut the fuck up and keep working, because they both get money when you do.
>>540856253>those "dues" become your retirement package.No, you do a 401k for that now, set up by a shell company owned by the original, and the company matches you. They match you because it's their own money. Pensions are long gone my friend.
>>540851265Private sector unions are okPublic sector unions are cancer.
>>540856253>>540856445It's not a transferable 401k either.
>>540851265Unions are a monopoly on the labor force and thus bad and ultimately should be illegal. they had a purpose but since federal labor laws were implemented they’re only a means to extort businesses and put a legitimate facade on organized crime
Good if you're a worker, bad if you're a corporate owner that wants to squeeze your employees into dry lifeless husks.Needless to say the last century has had the Republicans successfully convince their retarded voter base that unions are bad because they give workers more rights and money.
>>540851265Private trade unions, yes. Public unions, no.
We have a hundred different unions which all behave very differently. Retail union isn't functioning because anyone can work in retail, retail workers don't want to join the union, issue is that the union is party aligned. Right wing workers won't join a union which campaigns for a left wing party, left wing voters will still vote left, even if the government fucks up their union. Retail wages fell 15% since covid. The union which represents trucking is run by the mafia, few people own trucks, it's very easy to extort truck drivers, the truck drivers really have no choice whether they join that union and its existence just makes it easy for the Mafia to operate a national extortion racket. The hospitality union has no industrial clout and is basically rich uni kids who only work in the industry casually, are not even workers, trying to force far left politics on random local kebab shops. At least they hate isreal.
>>540851265Yes.
They're pretty good on burgers and in omelets, especially if you brown them first.
>>540851917Kys faggot.
>>540851265yes onions are really good for when two people come together
>>540857806ah you meant .... no union is the most useless data structure in C++ do not use it
If they are used to protect workers rights and prevent owners being too hard on them then they are a very good thing but if they are used as a political tool to brainwash workers with an ideology and to make things too hard for the companies that they can't operate in a normal way then they are bad.
Yes!
>>540851265public sector unions are the most jewish things in the universe.private sector unions are fine, but they have too much power
>>540851265Unions are good for, like, factory workers, cops, and trash men.... but not really everything.
>>540857871why? i use it all the time
>>540851339the irony of saying shit like that when wearing that flag. this board is the most retarded part of the internet and it’s not even close.
>>540854578>The union takes a slice of YOUR slice of pieThe Union takes 1 hour (1) of pay a week and in return I get paid quadruple with a non-Union retard gets + bennies out the assNot going to read the rest of your jewish pilpul. Shove it up your ass loser
>>540855874>they quite literally have millions of dollars to influence electionsand? are you suggestions unions should be weak, limp-dicked, bankrupt, and ineffectual, you utter imbecile?>How about that mafioso motherfucker that threatened to withhold supplies when NC and other parts of the Appalachians were hit with those heavy floodsDidn't hear about that. Though I admire him, whoever he is. Keep crying about the poor corpos having to hand out their ill-gotten shekels and trying to pass on blame to the evil workers, niggerfaggot
>>540856179>unions destroyed this country.Unions built this country (fact) and your city is now brown explicitly to prevent unionization to explicitly benefit the rich.Go suck off Musk's 1 trillion dollar cock you worthless cockroach of a corpobot shill.
>>540856593the few retards ITT who hate unions and AREN'T shills or bots legitimately believe one day they'll get to be among the 1% and the Unions are viewed as an impediment to their goals.Laughable to think they'll stand amongst the kike overlords.
>>540858038i was just kidding, they are actually pretty good, like a casting machine switches, their most mind blowing properties is turning the entire layout property that they are made of into a byte array :/ i randomly discovered that when i was looking at a weird NT source code
>>540859387Anon theorized that if you unionized the illegal workers it would kill the replacement system
>>540851265It depends. As stated they're good. Sometimes this holds true in Europe. In America, they tend toward the grift layer.
The Mafia unions or the socialist unions?
